Star Wars Rogue One Trailer Breakdown No. 6,387

October 20, 2016175 Comments

Wake. Wake. Wake…

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  • netcrave

    OMG I wanna be first to comment! ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Chris โ€œMjim32โ€ J

    lolz hard

  • spidercmb

    If my girlfriend found out that I watch your videos, I’d be single.

  • Dan

    Haha, redlettermedia critiquing the critics like a pro, nice one

  • junkevil

    The ending pretty much sums up how I feel about rogue one.

  • Jegsimmons

    Best breakdown: Star Wars now Star Whores.

    Disney no innovate.
    Go too safe.
    Make appreciate DC edge more.
    Feel like Marvel’s Star Whores
    Acting bad
    plot seem boring, is plot to MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. and other movie like such with parent making weapon, kid go save.
    Think plot from Great Mouse Detective too.

    Logan trailer look good.

    RLM still mostly on point. Still wrong about DC movies. But most on point.

  • instant relief

    My colostomy bag just exploded.

  • frankelee

    I’m really enjoying Westworld, hopefully when it’s done Mike and Susan can do a HitB on it and spend an hour claiming it’s entirely ripped off from V-World Matrix.

  • Mugato

    Aimless condescending snark prick, lame.

  • Seth

    Sounds like Mike and Rich teamed up on your mom and cucked your dad. Don’t feel bad. It’s happened to a bunch of us.

  • Seth

    You ain’t fooling nobody buddeh.

  • Seth

    DC movies are shit. But so are Marvel movies, frankly. Give it 5 more films and Marvel will get the credit it deserves.

  • Seth

    That’s about the “size” of “it.”

  • frankelee

    It’s happened to like two other people, and they all feel terrible.

  • Palpatine

    Wait, RLM is now using red arrows that point at things in red circles? Oh my God, they’ve reached the highest level of hack fraud: clickbating!

  • Galactic Shawn

    I just want a Star Wars movie where all the characters are the dismembered limbs from lightsaber fights.

  • Like Icare

    What a coinkidink!
    I just saw that trailer and thought “I really have no desire to watch this. Am I done with Star Wars?”

    Then I saw that Wolverine trailer and thought “This will be crap.”

    Then I saw that “A Cure for Wellness” trailer and thought “Gore Wervebinksky is a hack who steals shots from stuff not even realizing that there’s a major (as in Kusanagi) motion picture with a popular actress coming out at the same time as his moopie – which will have that exact same shot in it cause it is cool. Also, this will be crap.”

    Then I saw that Nicolas Cage trailer about Nicolas Cage hunting for Bin Laden while praying to Russel Brand and thought “What is it with this trend of trying to present real life ‘war on terror’ stories and events as silly ‘based on a true story’ comedies? Is this the only way American society can cope with the fact that some two decades ago they’ve plunged the world into an endless ‘war on idea’ and have been making it worse ever since? By retelling tragedy as comedy? Is this all Jon Stewart’s fault? When is ‘AIDS – the comedy’ coming out? This will be crap.”

    Then I saw that “Pirates… more…” trailer and thought “Ah… CGI. Effects. Looks shiny. But obviously there’s no story other than revenge guy wants revenge. Oh look! TWO ‘brand new’ characters which are rehashes of already seen characters because the franchise is a rip-off of a story based around such characters and not about a side character based on mannerisms and charisma of a popular actor. Wanna bet there’s a pointless love interest jammed in there too like a sardine into a can? I mean… like a mermaid into a coffin. Yeah… this too will be crap.”

    Well… at least that teaser for “Guardians of the Galaxy” looks like it’s not taking itself seriously.

  • MichaelKz

    Mikebot and Richbot make funny.

  • Like Icare

    Well… there’s a retelling of the original Star Wars where all characters are dismembered thumbs. Does that work?

  • Adzl33t

    Oh White fat old nerd feels old and outdated

  • TMC_Sherpa

    Wait…If the average stormtrooper has | | but Vader has ( ) does that mean his suit has a robo cock?

  • Kelsie

    Just to fuck with everyone, Disney should release one and only one trailer for the next movie: a pure black screen for 40 seconds, and then slowly fade in the title and release date. End.

  • kylemz

    I’d watch a Candyland movie.

  • Like Icare

    But how would they fit all the CharaterTM ads for plastic into that?

  • rikkibarnes

    Accurate.

  • rikkibarnes

    Disney, uh, finds a way.

  • DanceOfBirther

    Truly the best RLM short since George Lucas and the salads.

  • DanceOfBirther

    Mike eats dolls as the release date fades out. Now there’s your trailer.

  • Galactic Shawn

    Is there really going to be Surftroopers? There better goddamn be Surftroopers.

  • It wasn’t hard to top.

  • lloydbeatz

    what song at end of video?

  • TheVerySpecialK

    I topped mine with bleu cheese.

  • odigity

    In that Best of the Worst, Jay described V-World Matrix as a shitty version of Westworld.

    CHECK YOUR FACTS!!!

  • Like Icare

    I’m not sure even Mike could fit that much rubber and plastic into his mouth.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    Yay. More women in Star Wars.

  • SUPERMAD

    You guys sound like Indian.

    Indian alcohol, not Indian phone sales.

  • Hank_Henshaw

    Fun Fact: SONY and Adam Sandler (Columbia Pictures and Happy Madison) were planning to make one, but it got tangled in some legal issues.

  • Hank_Henshaw

    I wish that, now that Disney owns LucasArts, they could ditch Pirates of the Caribbean, and do Monkey Island movies instead. It’d be the same thing, except no Jack Sparrow!

  • Andrew Malenda

    This Masterpiece. This better than Plinkett TFA review.

  • Caruso S.

    Empire don’t surf!

  • Mandras NS

    Well, you see, Willard, in Star Wars, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality and practical military necessity. But out there with these natives… it must be a temptation to play God. Because there’s a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. Sometimes, the Dark Side overcomes what Lincoln called the “better angels of our nature.” Every man has got a breaking point. You and I have one. Walter Kurtz has reached his, and very obviously, he has gone insane.

  • Caruso S.

    We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won’t allow them to write “poodoo” on their X-wings because it’s obscene!

  • kylemz

    Adam Sandler often has good premises for movies, he just screws them up.

  • The more you know

    Monkey island was based on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, a movie was happening for monkey island but it turned into pirates. They have various things from monkey island in PotC already, zombie pirate, mischievous monkey, governors daughter getting kidnapped and her hero who just decides to become a mighty pirate enlists other pirates to help him (Orlando bloom is guybrush not Depp).
    Rowing a coffin through a swamp using a skeleton arm as a paddle to see a voodoo lady with regards to stopping a zombie pirate etc etc

    Lots and lots and lots of monkey island already in PotC, to make it now would just look like a rip off which it was anyway (well more homage) as confirmed by Ron Gilbert and Tim Schafer.

  • Fartastic

    But where all the lightsabers?

  • Nordel

    Darmok and Jalad at tanagra!

  • Nordel

    Shaka, When the Walls Fell.

  • kuhpunkt

    He’s talking about the HBO show, not the original movie!

  • Uncle Dan

    I overall liked the Rogue One trailer more than, say, the Logan trailer. Rogue One did a better job lying to me about corporate screenwriting. Logan looks like someone said “Let’s make an R-rated superhero movie and combine it with The Last Of Us. “

  • Like Icare

    Actually, that’s the case of both Monkey Island and POTC sourcing from Tim Powers’ “On Stranger Tides”.

  • Like Icare

    I don’t think that that could work.
    Maaaaaybeee as an animated show… But not one done by Disney.
    Monkey Island needs to be closer to Robot Chicken than to Mickey Mouse.

  • Hank_Henshaw

    I know. All I’m saying is that Depp’s shtick as Jack Sparrow got old fast. Guybrush Threepwood makes for a better proh-ta-gonist (Orlando Bloom’s character was Guybrush without the humor or charm). In fact, Sparrow worked best in the first POTC, where he was sort of the Han Solo of the film, not the lead.

  • Hank_Henshaw

    Gravity Falls was done by Disney. They can be absurdist, if they want to.

  • Like Icare

    It’s not the absurdism.

    Monkey Island for all its humor has a dark and a bit sadistic streak running through it.
    It’s a kind of story where you rip the skin off of someone’s back to get the map he has tattooed on said skin.
    Also, a lot of its humor is more than a little on the gross out side.

    At best it’d be the TFA situation all over again.

    Copying of the old with some stuff being lost in the process while bringing nothing new to the table.

  • Klozet

    Please, stop with the fckn Star Wars crap.
    Do something new, something else, whatever but stop with the Star Wars content.
    I am sick of it.
    Why not Matrix Plinkett reviews? Or Batman vs Superman?
    Anything else, PLEASE

  • StillCantBanMe

    It’s coming.

  • StillCantBanMe

    Star Wars was always Star Whores. Can’t expect someone who thinks DC movies have “edge” or are “good” to be able to tell pile of shit from chocolate bar.

  • Robotpals

    Remember briefly 20 years ago when Johnny Depp was a reason TO see a movie?

  • Robotpals

    That’s some grade A hilarious nonsense right there.

  • Cognitive Schizo

    No U

  • Jones

    You’d have to set her free first. I mean, you keep her locked up, right?

  • Klozet

    Aren’t you sick of this?
    How many videos about SW do they have to make?
    Have you seen the last Plinkett review? It’s horrid, stale and all over the place.

  • Imesseduptheemail

    I can’t bring myself to care about this one. Force Awakens was a very meh movie for me, and this one just looks like even more strongly targeted pandering, I doubt it’s going to have much of its own identity.

  • Square Peg

    Surf Troopers Must Die.

  • Bhazor

    Sounds like someone hates women and black people.

  • Bhazor

    Fat man and bald man sad. Yet nod agreement.

  • Bhazor

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    yes he do

  • Bhazor

    I just want a Star Wars movie where watching it literally kills you.

  • Bhazor

    These are parodies of the endless river of horrible fanboy analysis shit they inadvertantly made with the original reviews. The sins of the father.

    I do agree there needs to be an extensive 2 hour plinkett review for the Matrix sequels though.

  • Bhazor

    I can’t believe the Empire is paying us to surf, bro!

  • Bubs

    This was borderline experimental.

    I appreciate the satire against the entirety of the internet and all the clickbaiters who “break down trailers”. But I feel like you guys should put this situation in context. What I mean by that is, you seem to be lashing out against other internet reviewers these days because they cater to the lowest common denominator of the internet – which they do. But I’m not clear on WHY this has suddenly become a thing for RLM to rally against.

    On a final note, the freeze frame of Mike at the end made me crack up.

  • Jegsimmons

    ill debate you on this but you cant deny DC does indeed have more edge to it in terms of pushing boundaries for major comic book blockbusters. And are better produced.

    and personally i think they’re great. Ive never seen decent criticism of these movies other than bitching about tone or them not being marvel.

  • Jegsimmons

    what credit? that they fucking suck?

    Ill give DC credit, they’re not trying to be formulaic horse shit marvel is and are focused on more personal stories and making films that contain a genre aside from “comic book movie”.

    If you dont like them, thats fine, to each their own, but no one can deny the technical level quality or the attempt at being more than generic avengers level flicks.

  • frankelee

    I tried to watch Pre-Rec again. I dunno what the fuck I was thinking.

  • Seth

    So you’re arguing that DC has earned a participation medal by virtue of sucking differently. That’s cool, I guess.

  • Imesseduptheemail

    It’s like the Ghostbusters all over again.

  • Seth

    The correct question is: how many Stars Wars movies does it take to satiate Disney’s bean-counters?

  • Seth

    You need to come to grips with your deep and abiding sexual attraction to the star known only as Rich Evans. Don’t worry, we’ve all been there and we all deal with it differently.

  • Seth

    They are rallying against Disney’s money-printing nostalgia machine. Reaction videos are a proxy. Duh?

  • Seth

    Johnny Depp was on the RLM set as a cultural consultant on the subject of Injuns.

  • Seth

    Women have money for movies now that makeup-free is a thing. That’s money that Disney can take. Elizabeth Lawrence takes loads to the fac–I mean, takes a 2% finders fee on those proceeds.

  • Seth

    It’s the TLOU sequel we all want and have asexual wet dreams about occasionally. Which makes them different than Rich Evans-related wet dreams.

  • Jegsimmons

    Im saying they’re not sucking and going out and doing shit a bit differently.

  • Seth

    I once envisioned painting a new Mona Lisa. But I drew it in crayon on a napkin and then had to wipe my bum with it because I ran out of lip balm. But my premise was sound, though, dude.

  • Seth

    DC films and any variation on “doesn’t suck donkey balls” don’t belong in the same sentence. Ever. It’s like the Pythagorean theorem of films that suck.

  • DanceOfBirther

    After watching the the trailer on YouTube it then took me to a video explaining why Palpatine kept Vader weaker. Someone should make a video explaining why Mike keeps Rich Evans weaker.

  • Laurens Verhoeff

    This was borderline experimental….. And as always. I love it. Keep it up guys

  • kylemz

    I won’t ask what lip balm had to do with it, but I just mean movies like click, or pixels sound like they could make clever comedy movies, but apparently don’t, though I’ve seen neither.

  • Like Icare

    Cause, frankly, those lowest common denominator chasers are annoying and misleading as fuck – yet they are pushed heavily because “relevant” and “trending”.

    Only good thing about the internet of things is that eventually someone WILL come up with a way to murder people who produce such crap and push it onto everyone else. Using drones armed with small but powerful explosive charges.

  • Like Icare

    Oh come one… no one has yet even called all the people who don’t want to watch or review the movie mysoginist OR racist.

  • Like Icare

    Satiate?

  • Like Icare

    Logan looks like shit cause it is based on Mark Millar crap which ends with Hulk eating Wolverine and then Wolverine kills him from inside.

    But if you want to taste some really shitty writing, go to Wikipedia look up Secret Wars (2015) section of the Old Man Logan article.
    It’s like poetry. If hell had poetry slam nights. Days. Weeks. Eternities.

  • He likes being under?

  • Jaws

    Star Wars – Because You’re Worth It

  • fred

    Everyone needs to watch Black Mirror Season 3 Episode 2 Playtest right now.

  • Jaws

    Because it’s a thing now, geez get with the 20th century

  • Jaws

    Logan – Because Logan is the new Black

  • M A S K E D P U M K I N

    starwarsmakementallydisabled nothingnew sandiscourseandgeteverywhere samewithstarwars killme

  • M A S K E D P U M K I N

    “You’ve been in my life so long, I can’t remember anything else.”

    Western civilization about Star Wars.

  • M A S K E D P U M K I N

    Vader: This is a maximum security death star, and you have no weapons of any kind?
    Oldguy Admiral: We have some carving knives in the abattoir, a few more in the mess hall. Some fire axes scattered about the place – nothing terribly formidable.
    Vader: That’s all?
    Oldguy Admiral: We’re on the honor system.
    Vader: Then we’re fucked.

  • Jaws

    not if Jason Voorhees is onboard, just think Friday the 13th in spaaaace,… oh wait, I forgot, that sucked.

  • StillCantBanMe

    Woo a jar of piss, woo.

  • Herbert West

    Don’t forget the Chinamen. Some of us hate those.

  • Herbert West

    They’re just being snarky, ironic hipsters. And it’s okay, because it’s funny.

  • Herbert West

    How many videos about SW do they have to make?

    All of them. All the videos about SW.

  • Joe Syxpac

    Welp…

    Star Wars is officially dead to me. I don’t care about this at all.

    What can I spend the next 35 years of my life obsessing over? Bridget Jones? Neil Breen? Ghostbusters with chicks?

  • Bubs

    So I just watched the Star Wars Rogue One trailer for the first time. It looks like a turd that took a shit. I’m sure it will make approximately One Shitzillion Dollars because fuck you.

    I don’t know if RLM made me more cynical about movies or if this is just the natural progression that I would follow because I have A) A pulse B) A brain C)The ability to form my own opinions about things and D) The ability to recognize that it’s the same movie I’ve seen 18 fucking times already.

  • Garym

    I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, but there are so many of these “channels” doing the same exact thing, almost point for point that its seems like the Disney et al are feeding these “channels” to propagandize for their movies.
    RLM pointing these phonies out is hysterical.

  • Robotpals

    A Star Wars prequel. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?!?

  • Daniel Bakke

    Saw video. No hype. Filler before 8. Still not sure who funds First Order. Don’t really care. Original Trilogy is enough.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    The world is just insane. If a woman complains that she doesn’t like seeing all men in something, she’s a hero. If a man complains when they start shoving women (who act like men) in things, he’s a sexist. If I want to keep what I earn, I’m greedy. If you want to take what I earn, you’re a hero.

  • Like Icare

    All of the above?

  • DeColonise

    Now that would be an interesting sequel to the ‘mighty’ surf nazis must die from troma ๐Ÿ™‚

  • DeColonise

    An monkey island movie might actually be good ๐Ÿ™‚ As long as they don’t cast johnny depp as guybrush threepwood.

  • Dylan A-C

    the tryhard-edgy position y’all have taken up that more diverse casting is de facto pandering and therefore not-good is making me want to stop watching RLM. and I’ve watched literally all of your videos. ๐Ÿ™

    throwing this out cause the comments have kinda become an echo chamber of support for this thing, and i’m sure it’s alienating other fans. please reconsider. otherwise this is great.

  • Eric Monaghan

    Review ‘Captain Fantastic’ on Half in the Bag! It’s one of the good ones!

  • ะŸั‘ั‚ั€ ะกะตะผั‘ะฝะพะฒั‡

    Neil Breen! He won’t let us down..

  • Insane Homicidal Nass

    He makes me moist! I’d kill to be in his films… I mean masterpieces.

  • Insane Homicidal Nass

    Rapist of the year: Disney.

  • Hank_Henshaw

    I might be mistaken, but they are doing it for the laughs. They are well aware that a lot of their audience is from a younger generation, to whom diversity is really a big deal, so, them loving the politically incorrect humor will go there, most likely in hopes to disturb part of their audience. Many youtube comments seem to take offense at the diversity thing, but they also make fun of an actor that died just a few months ago, and no one bats an eye. Remember these are the same people that make light of AIDS and 9-11 regularly. It’s all in good nature.

  • Hank_Henshaw

    With this being set in a tropical beach planet, there’s the potential of having Vader complain about sand.

  • Crixxxx

    Oh my God, Star Wars movies have Star Warsy things in them. Except the ones that tried to do some new stuff and failed miserably.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Should have said just “Star Wars” for the first two minutes. I’m glad that no droid got harmed/sexually abused during the making of this video.

  • Red Skeleton

    “I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and irritating and it gets in my ventilator. Everything here is soft and smooth…” *Caresses Boba Fett’s helmet.*

  • playdude92 .

    This new. This exciting. This need to be like THINGS I KNOW!!

  • DropYourLinen

    “Great.” *heavy sigh*

  • Sans_Fi

    There is actually a comic called “The Secret Tales of Luke’s Hand!” check it out, it’s terrible.

  • Insane Homicidal Nass

    Well, I’m turned on.

  • Insane Homicidal Nass

    Star Wars is that turd that just won’t flush.

  • Fartastic

    Are these fake click bait videos replacing syntax?

  • LameSame

    Star Wars is that turd people take out of the toilet and eat a lot of.

  • LameSame

    Droids did get sexually abused immediately before and after they shot this video, though.

  • Like Icare

    Boba Fett’s helmet is not soft. It’s rock har… oh… OH!

  • Michael Collins

    This is the one that has the Thanos reveal in it, a merging of universes.

  • Variant

    butts

  • That you think “diversity is just pandering and doesn’t really mean anything” is just a “trying hard to be edgy” position is entirely the problem.

  • Sensitive Jaws Whedon

    Getting M. Night Shyamalan to direct Rogue One might have been a mistake though

  • Thanatos

    The emperor couldn’t afford to replace it. Budget cuts at the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center

  • Thanatos

    Mocking is not lashing out

  • Thanatos

    Companies paying youtube people to do things is not a new thing.

  • Thanatos

    They should have them assassinate Darth Vader in this movie, only to reveal that he has body doubles like Padme did since he’s real important to the Empire and stuff. How would they even know who’s in the suit?

  • Fartastic

    Yes, and his double, too, should be played by Keira Knightley. She should make the real Vader, who’s wearing a storm trooper outfit with suspiciously short arms and legs, clean tie fighters.

  • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
    SAND! MY ONLY WEAKNESS!

  • EJ

    So now every Asian actor in a movie is “pandering to the Chinese market?” FFS.

  • DoobzMcgee

    ^ Makes fun of Star Wars Fans

    ^ Still waits in line on opening night.

  • frankelee

    I wish their meth stash from all that Space Cop money would run out already!

  • gregCall

    My bold prediction, in ten years these Disney Star Wars films will be held in even greater contempt than the prequels.

  • Gol

    I don’t think they have a problem with diverse casting, just all of the politics attached to it. It’s frustrating to watch Disney pat themselves on the back for “changing the world” when they’re really just out for a check.

  • Jegsimmons

    “misrepresenting insignificant details!!! WOOOOO”

  • Jegsimmons

    except for all the films that dont suck made by DC

  • Thanatos

    Maybe it’s like a game they play?

    “When I’m the Vader, I’m gonna make you sit on conference calls with the commanders!”
    “When I’m the Vader, I’m gonna have you fight Luke Skywalker and then throw the Emperor down a pit!”

  • RLMkeepitup

    you force him to use the force, of coarse

  • Percy Gryce

    Why are there Pakleds reviewing Star Wars spin-offs on RLM?

    They want to be nothing if not persistent.

  • Jaws Wars

    Come on Disney, make that Captain Phasma stand-alone movie we all want. I need a laugh. Hell make it a trilogy.

  • Fartastic

    My personal highlight in the second Rogue One trailer is the high ranking imperial guy in white pronouncing the word “power” like Goldmember.

  • Bloth

    Is this the birth of a new RLM format called “Things I Know” in which they cover fan service in the unending stream of remakes/reboots?

  • EJ

    John Ford once said the only way to make a truly realistic war movie would be to put a guy behind the screen with a machine gun and have him shoot the audience.

  • EJ

    Most youtube critics shit. RLM good. That why I watch RLM. Don’t need RLM to obsess over other, shittier critics.

  • Admiral Bone-to-Pick

    “Pander make politics happy”. Truer words never spoken.

  • jmt

    If there’s one thing makes me angry, it’s that after spending decades noticing insufficient representation of trans-sexual, mixed Asian-Hungarian lesbians in movies, you go an call it “pandering” when studios ostentatiously cast one in response to the complaints.

  • yaniv chenski

    Aimless you dumb fks like you keep coming here and hating every second

  • Dylan A-C

    I see that they are doing it for laughs, but there’s a difference here worth pointing out. I know that part of their humor is seeing how far down the rabbit hole they can go with offensive stuff; I don’t find the AIDS stuff (or that kind of humor) funny, but I get that’s what they’re trying to do. With diversity in casting, they’re doing it for laughs, but they’re *also* trying to make a point: that the diverse casting (at least in Star Wars) is pandering and therefore deserving of ridicule. And that point is frankly a bad one. That’s what bothers me.

  • Dylan A-C

    Alright, let’s break this down a little bit then. There’s two reasons I could see somebody defending that point.

    1) They recognize that Disney (and the rest of Hollywood) only cares about its profits and its reputation, and that when it casts diverse, it is only doing so because at least one of those things is at stake. They call this pandering (I don’t, but okay), because it is basically insincere: “Disney doesn’t *actually* care about diversity.”

    My problem with this is that this alone is not sufficient reason to object to or ridicule diverse casting choices. It’s true, the movie industry is a self-interested machine, but this is just the nature of the beast, and the same could be said about basically any institution, and it’s just the way politics works. It’s always a matter of convincing some entity that doing something is in their best interest. That’s what all the calls on social media / elsewhere leading up to TFA’s release were doing, saying: “hey, by creating the expectation for a diverse cast in the new Star Wars, we’re *making* your reputation depend on it.” Disney was like “oh shit better do that,” and they did, and that just means the whole project was a success.

    So if RLM is going to ridicule or object to more diverse casting choices, then this weak sense of “pandering” is not sufficient reason. Instead…

    2) …they’d have to either argue that diverse casting *itself* is (a) a bad thing, or (b) a neutral thing, just not worth the time and effort put into it. If anybody wants to defend (a), go for it, but I think it’s a pretty terrible position and not worth discussing. As for (b), which I kinda think is what Mike was suggesting in the Plinkett review, there’s good reason to think this is wrong. Children are not blind to race, and the race of a character plays a significant role in who they choose to roleplay as (probably not as significant as gender, but definitely more significant than hair color). It’s part of why Kip Fulbeck talks about playing pretend as Pocohantas, Lilo, Aladin, etc. It’s part of why Junot Diaz particularly loved the Los Bros comics. It’s part of why the very-not-mainstream Black Panther superhero is a favorite among black comic-book fans.

    Kids, like everybody, want characters they can particularly relate to; race is one significant factor in this. And it *really* helps when those characters aren’t portrayed as tokens or stereotypes, which they weren’t in TFA. I don’t know if it would mess kids up developmentally (people argue it does) but kids are smart enough to know when they’re being insulted or talked down at or casually mocked for seeing themselves in a certain character.

    It also helps white kids and boys not grow up to be racist or sexist shitbags. Being exposed to stories about other people, learning to feel empathy (even cheesy, forced Hollywood empathy) for a character that doesn’t look like you can *expand* your ability to feel empathy towards *real people.* I’m not even going to get into the other reasons diverse casting might be A Good Thing, but there’s also like, issues about treating actors fairly, typecasting, etc.

    True, it’s not particularly praiseworthy TFA had a diverse cast; other movies, which Mike points out, have had more interesting characters of various colors and genders. But none of those movies have been such massive cultural touchstones, which a TON of people (and kids) are going to go see.

    Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how RLM’s decision to ridicule Disney for “pandering” with more diverse casting is defensible at all.

    P.S. Sorry for not including sources, but I don’t think anything I’ve said is particularly controversial. Do let me know if I’m wrong.

  • Dylan A-C

    Posted a much longer response to Feynman but basically: I agree, it’s frustrating. It’s also completely unsurprising to me, and I don’t think it’s sufficient reason to ridicule Disney’s decision to *continue* casting diverse.

    Something I didn’t mention elsewhere though, is part of what upset me the most about this video: I’m not even sure Rich and Mike are even ridiculing *Disney,* it seems like they’re having some laughs at the expense of the actors playing these roles. Calling somebody “a chinaman” or “a black”—especially when it’s not ironic; as in, it’s not clear that these actors are being tokenized or reduced to their race by being cast in these roles—is gross. Kinda why I’m writing this now as opposed to after the Plinkett review; Mike was mostly mocking Disney then. Not so sure about here.

  • VvdD

    Bye bye.

  • VvdD

    Except it is done for pandering, you just can’t see it because they are pandering to people like you.

  • jmt

    Poetry, when it rhymed.

  • If 1) is true, then the producers are deliberately using people’s inherent biases as a shortcut to try and win acclaim and therefore profits. This gives them both an opportunity and a motivation to devote their resources (which are vast, but still finite) in a way that won’t actually improve the movie itself, just improve the view of the filmmaking process in the hands of a specific group of people. It’s like a “no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture” tagline: sure the catering service served corned beef for breakfast every morning, but we spent $200,000 on CGI so we didn’t have to kill a real mouse for that one scene. This “socially aware” filmmaking is the Hollywood version of carbon credits.

    (2) I’ll say it for you then: “diverse casting” in and of itself is a bad thing. Picking cast members based on race cements a faulty groupthink approach to the world that is absolutely abhorrent and should be eschewed at all times. If kids cannot “relate” to somebody of a different race, then you need to change the kids, not the movie. This is similar to the point in the Plinkett review when Lucas seemed to think kids could only see themselves in other kids: black kids could pretend to be Luke Skywalker just as much as white kids, because the difference between “white human child” and “black human child” is nothing compared with “white adult moisture farmer from a distant historical galaxy”. It’s fundamentally flawed and dangerous in comparison to a longstanding Hollywood casting practice of hiring famous recognizable actors. Under that system, it’s recognizing the human *individual* as a specific resource to be utilized to the benefit of either the movie or “bringing in an audience”. However cynically Mike looks at the Samuel L. Jackson casting in the prequels, one presumes that if Lucas couldn’t get Jackson he might have easily decided to go with John Malkovitch as opposed to trying to get Cuba Gooding Jr. (though with Red Tails it’s possible Lucas was already on the diversity for diversity’s sake bandwagon at that point). Will Smith was huge in movies in the 90s. In none of the roles he was written for was it just assumed “we could throw in Danny Glover if he’s unavailable” anymore than a movie in the 70s was writing “generic white man” role: Paul Neuman, Malcolm McDowell, David Niven, whatever.

    Ergo, buying into the insane and dehumanizing logic that “we need to expose kids to other races” in and of itself just cements the notion that those races are to be looked at as actual things, which they are not. It’s an assault on the notion of the individual and is in a large way responsible for the mess we’re in today, where everything has to be looked at through a lens of group identity politics that clouds vision and leaves us stumbling around.

  • Jegsimmons

    anyone else getting the feel this movie is ripping off the star wars asthetic…..But the plot to Halo Reach?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    What are next?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Pander and momma pander make baby pander?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    How do you expect RLM to cash in on that sweet Communist Chinese cheddar?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I thought that was the Electoral College?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Topless Stormtroopers.

  • Diego Tutweiller

    Pop culture reference. Politics. Things I know.

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