Pre-Rec: Why Mario is More Immersive Than Call of Duty

February 22, 20151,215 Comments

Jack and Rich would like to tell a $21 Billion industry EXACTLY what they’re doing wrong. Later, the guys will tell water “Not to be so wet all the time”.


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  • forkinthebrain

    it took me 12 years to wake from my pork rind induced coma, and upon seeing rich and jack complain AGAIN about fps games I have decided to remove myself from earth via medically induced decapitation. Bye

  • Brian Welsh

    I wish they had mentioned Mirrors Edge. That game was a perfect example of immersion. Every action to jump on walls and ledges and whatnot you had to push a button with the controller to do. You didn’t have any on screen image telling you what to do, it was all on you and it felt intense and real. I found myself tensing up my body when I’d jump around in that game. Then… you have games like Asassins Creed. You push one button and your character scales an entire building with no effort on your part. Totally dumbed down crap.

  • Lt Hurwitz

    Jack complained about Call of Duty, before it was cool, you probably never heard of it.

  • El_Runko

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  • Sully

    5rd!!!!!!

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    RIP in peace.

  • Mr. R

    Ahh. They are doing a thing.

  • The Ghost

    The title of this video is juicy bait for commenters who will trip over themselves to not appear as hipsters. Y’know, like me. I love Call of Duty. It’s the best.

  • James Earl Jones

    How do I get to the next episode? There was no button prompt on the screen!
    Those fucktard developers! How am I supposed to know how to get to the next episode, God dammit?! There’s no information anywhere, and I’ve pressed every God damn button on my controller!

  • Uncle Dan

    Mirror’s Edge also did a good job with subtle environment cues. You could see where you could run or jump by the overall colour coding of the environment without it slapping you in the face. It indicates what you can do with what you have kind of like how Guacamelee does a good job with that.

    I still suck at Mirror’s Edge, but I do really like that aspect of its overall design.

  • disqus_cgLaPyyLh4

    12 years, did you know it took 12 years to make Boyhood.

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  • “So, Rich, would you recommend button prompts?” Oh, Jack.

  • Uncle Dan

    Hasn’t it been an integral part of the Call of Duty games in general to have scripted epic events? The idea is less gameplay and more “I get to feel like I’m in a war movie.”

    Even as far back as the first CoD, that was basically the experience they were selling since all the missions were based on classic WW2 movies. The only difference today is that they’re selling the idea of being in Michael Bay movies.

    Edit: The success of the franchise suggests that people aren’t that bothered by how effectively they’re immersed in an epic thing. Much like how modern action movies just throw epic action after epic action, CoD promises the same, both without much substance.

  • Well, it did ok until you had to fight that one guy…

  • ModernDayMinstrel

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  • Sully

    [ tl:dr alert ]

    Anyone remember the first Tomb Raider? There were no prompts. You just wondered around tombs for days on end trying to solve the puzzle of each room. It was great. It was a game… a puzzle.

    Rich and Jack are right. Call of Duty is nothing more than a combat game in the style of Dance Dance Revolution. Prompts during a tutorial are fine, but once you get into the actual game, all of that shit needs to go away. If you can’t remember what Ⓑ does when you come up to an air vent, or to press Ⓐ when you sneak up behind an enemy, then you’re an idiot, and gaming isn’t for you.

    IMHO, Grand Theft Auto V is one of the most immersive games out there. You create an online character, and you enter an online world. No prompts. No cues. If you dive out of a plane and can’t remember which button pulls your chute, then you’re dead. If you enter a mission and can’t remember how to cycle through your weapons and gear, then you’re dead. It’s far more of an immersive experience that way. The only way it could be more immersive is if they added more of an RPG element to NPCs, but even without that, just the amount of real world players that populate the world keeps things feeling very alive.

    I also agree that not all games should be immersive, but games like COD or Battlefield, which try so hard to sell that “immersive combat experience”, you’re just not going to get that with onscreen cues every 2 seconds, or in the case of the Metal Gear franchise, 30 minutes of cutscenes for every 10 minutes of gameplay. All of that just snaps you right out of the experience.

    But hey… that’s just, like, my opinion, man.

  • TyrantJoe

    FPS bad! Pixel art good!

  • SatanicOverlordSemjenzsolt

    It’s not that they don’t know that everybody plays video games now.

    They know that everybody plays and this includes all the crocodile brains and lion brains.

  • Paul S.

    Thank you guys for this.

  • Saints Row 3 made a joke out of QTEs (perhaps unintentionally). Whenever you perform a beatdown the character performs it no matter what you do. You just don’t get the bonus points. Also, more games should have a dedicated nutshot button. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ0EBmsPkbU

  • Lt Hurwitz

    I remember in Call of Duty 2, you’re the Russians and you have to hold a position against a German counterattack, you’re running through a trench, someone yells “tanks get down” and a tank column jumps over your head, you run into a building for cover, fight off the German counterattack, the Russian commanders start blowing their whistles and you have to charge the retreating Germans. It is on the most intense moments in videogame history. The series used to be great, the lack of any emotional stakes is what killed it.

  • Palpatine

    Hey guys, it’s me the bad guy! Here to do bad things!

  • Sully

    Prove it! Show us your prompts!!

  • domble

    I understand (and even agree) with most of the points raised here, but I would point out that it’s not really a discussion if both parties are in agreement.

    One thing to say about having button prompts is that, because I’m playing so many varied games, I do sometimes lose track of control schemes. I think the ideal would be that we have a “revisiting game” mode that we can turn on and off.

  • runbmp

    “Our games are actually still too hard to learn,” he said. “The average player probably spends two hours to learn how to play the most basic game.”

    “Asking for two hours of somebody’s time–most of our customers, between their normal family lives…to find two contiguous hours to concentrate on learning how to play a video game is a big ask.”

    This is from Rich Hilleman… Electronic Arts Chief Creative Officer, and currently works in the internal University at Electronic Arts on specialized education for Producers and Development Directors.

  • Palpatine

    Here’s my video résumé:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9G9rwWihg

  • WJF

    So is Jessi not the producer for this show anymore? What did that mean anyway?

  • TDPfromOz

    Thief 4 is essentially ‘button prompt – the game’. Everytime you want to black jack a guard, do a melee takedown, all of it. Can’t even jump without a contextualised event (ie be near something which the game allows you to climb, a ledge, etc). Often this leads you to do stupid stuff like jumping off a building to your death when you wanted to jump to the rope instead. Oh and rope arrows can’t be shot into any wood surface now, only the places they allow you to shoot them, so you can go get to that nice place they took all that time designing, rather than having multiple methods of getting there like the original Thief 1 and 2.

    It’s not really a thief game to be honest. It’s more like “Petty larcenist – Action Game!”

  • Palpatine

    She’s gone off to Hollywood to direct the remake of Thunderpants.

  • Sully
  • Palpatine

    Wow, that guy needs to be my new apprentice.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Are you telling Katepery54 it’s time to get chocolate wasted?

  • Red Herring

    A visual clue that you’re ready to strike is a godsend. Something like when Sam Fisher changes his stance in Chaos Theory. No more guessing if your strike will connect.

  • Sully

    *It’s not really a debate if both parties are in agreement.

    But you’re right. It isn’t a debate. Button prompts kill immersion. I don’t think anyone is going to debate that, yet COD and many other modern games keep pushing that kind of gameplay down players’ throats.

    I do like your idea of a revisiting game mode as so many different games have completely different controls, but I’d call it “Noob Cues.”

  • I remember Tomb Raider. I remember dying like 20 times in the first screen. I could have used a buttonprompt.

    *Press downvote to expel stupid comment*

  • Animist_Primal

    Holy shit, did anybody see that epic star wipe at 1:15? Did they get Jim or Colin to make that?

  • Didn’t the early tomb raider games have limited saves per level? I remember I only played TR4 or 3? You started in the amazon jungle and went down a slope. That game had like 30 or 40 buttons to control the character. The level design was batshit insane and convoluted but I still liked it, somehow. Must’ve been the polygon boobs.

  • Like Icare

    Interesting… I’d list Tomb Raider too – but as a cause to all this.

    The “action” button.
    Move, jump, shoot… and “do thing”.

    Except when you start selling to the crowd that didn’t have to figure out how to de-.arj their cracked game, or the crowd that had to do research to get the right graphic card (what’s that?) for the game they want to play, or the crowd that didn’t come to your Classic Action Game Reboot )|( – The Rejuvenation of The Game after playing games for decades…

    Well… Now you have to teach players how to play the game first.
    And keep doing that cause they are now not only little kids, but drunk/high adults.
    Who maybe can’t hit that button right, but they can sure as hell go online and trash your “worst game evar” or call the support and yell “THIS SUCKS! I CAN’T PLAY THIS! DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM! YOU SOLD ME A BROKEN GAME! IMA GUNNA SEW U!”

    Another thing that brought that on was the lack of a mouse and keyboard on console games.
    You want multiple platforms, you dumb everything down to just a few keys and as few key combinations as possible.

    Whatever you do – DON’T ALIENATE THE INCOMPETENT BUT LOUD PLAYER.
    He has no other game to play now but the old “bitch about the game online”.
    And more than half of the players ARE going to be below average players… some German arschloch called Carl Friedrich Gauss made sure of that.
    Fucking Germans…

    So you better make sure you got your hand-holding gloves on if you want the game to sell and if you want to keep your job.

  • Red Herring

    Oh, and while you guys think you could handle games with no button prompts, keep in mind there are 12 year old kids who were coddled and sheltered their entire lives playing the same games. They are incapable of playing Thief 3, even.

  • Fistfulofmetal

    I think they overestimate the average gamers willingness to learn mechanics and overcome challenges. To be honest the ‘easier games > dumber games’ thing probably is in reverse order. Dumber gamers who barely ever finish games (you can look at achievement % to see this) are resulting in more games being easier.

    Also I think stuff like the executions in God of War are more considered rewards for completing a difficult battle sequence. “Oh, you managed to survive the fight and damaged the bad guy enough? Here’s a reward”

  • I played it on PC so that could have been on PS1 (question mark). I remember that Soldier of fortune had a limited saves per stage on difficult levels. A few other games had it too.

    You can problably get your best scholarly answers here. I haven’t read it cus it’s alot of words…

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SaveGameLimits

  • Sully

    I tried but it isn’t working.

    Personally, I liked dying 20 times to figure out a room. It really made you think about your surroundings first. You got invested into looking for those switches, movable blocks, wheels, pitfalls, etc. The more you played the game, the better you got at it. Your improvement as a tomb raider became Lara’s improvement. It was immersion.

  • Yes. I agree, I was sarcastic about the button prompt. I like games where I don’t know what to do or where to go. Those things always exite me. The Elderscroll games always has that freedom of going anywhere and I love those games. I want to invest myself in the world not be forced into it. I guess there are many games with a forced plot that is executed well but I havent played recent game titles cus of time and money.

    It was also fun to see friends die of shi**y unfair firstlevel deaths. It was a fun part initiating friends friends. Easy laughs.

  • fred

    Did you know, that, chocolate…is…a symbol for…love?

  • Sully

    Stupid people trying to play smarter games led to this, sure. No one is denying that. The problem is the same one facing Hollywood films as of late; in the pursuit of pleasing all demographics, all demographics suffer.
    F U C K
    S T U P I D
    P E O P L E
    Not every game or movie should be targeted at the poor 100 IQ crowd.

  • CssTitan

    You guys would LOVE Dragon’s Lair. It’s basically a button prompt game, minus the actual prompts.

    You watch a cartoon where the hero dies and dies and dies, until you figure out exactly which button to press to escape his death. Then it goes on for a few more seconds of animations and BAM our intrepid hero dies again! Welp, guess it’s time to guess at the buttons again! Come to think of it, the controls of the game are sorta like solving a maze where every wrong turn leads to deadly hijinx.

    But it looked amazing, so there’s that. Don Bluth was involved in the animating, I believe. I guess I wasn’t the only kid dumb enough to be fooled, because there were several sequels, plus a science fiction one called Space Ace.

  • Yep, it was TR3.

  • Sully

    I agree. Googling how to solve a puzzle wasn’t really a thing back then. There were no Youtube tutorials. Sure you could’ve bought the $20.00 manual, but fuck that shit.

    It was glorious!

    I think Tomb Raider even had a hotline for the truly desperate.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    I like this video quite a bit. I hope fucking Kotaku doesn’t link it again.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Button prompts can work in an immersive time game like Mass Effect or Dishonored because those are games that rely on your morality, which ties into immersion.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    It’s so easy to see that Jack’s editing experience comes from making Youtube videos. He has to highlight everything so I know exactly what I’m looking for, because the Youtube audience is nothing but dummies.

    Not much different than the button prompt discussion, really.

  • TheZaius

    …What about The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? That game had your N64 controller buttons on the screen, like, the entire time. It kinda became the HUD for the game.

    Also, I’d like to suggest playing Madworld for actually FUN quick time events.

  • Like Icare

    They are the one’s with least impulse control, most influenced by commercials, and most willing to dish out cash for what is essentially interactive animated movies.

    You put economy in front of art… that’s what you get.
    Everything becomes about selling things instead of making things someone might want to have.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    The issue with the first Tomb Raider was shitty outdated and clunky platforming. The new game is a great example of immersion. For the first like three hours there are button prompts but they slowly disappear and the only one to show up is reload, because if it didn’t I wouldn’t know my gun is empty or near empty.

  • Sully

    He isn’t aware that we already know he’s an asshole.

    http://i.imgur.com/NTMxS23.jpg

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Well, assholes can always improve, or just realize the hypocrisy of the statement being made.

  • Nintendo had a hotline in Scandinavia you could cal for like 50cents a minute. I remember reading the Nintendo magazine Q&A when I was 10 and just could not understand how dumb some people were. But to be fair, I have a few games that every friend I have has completed but not me. And I did play Dota last year (for the first time) with some friends and sucked so bad they stopped trying to explain things to me.

    Oh I bought those 20 dollar manuals. More cus they used to be filled with artwork. I still have some of them left.

  • Like Icare

    Fuck Kotaku.
    And the rest of the gaming industry parasites who’ve outstayed their welcome back when magazines started coming with CDs of game demos and trailers.

    Webspace is free, youtube is free, entire games are free…
    If I want information on a game, I can google opinions and videos of people ACTUALLY playing it – not some blogger with a deadline and a quota of clicks for the day who will try to sell me the game cause his/her/its boss told him/her/it so.

    They are little more than flamebaiters and trollers now, trying to incite people into flamewars in the comments.
    So fuck them AND their parent “media company”.

  • Well atleast it’s not JonTron with his loud vibrating parrot. I would have seizured if it went that far.

  • Sully

    Echo the Dolphin was the only game I ever rage quit and never went back to. That game was fucking infuriating. No amount of manuals could’ve help me with that thing. The mechanics were just not compatible with my brain.

  • Their minions are problably on it as we speak.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    But then you can sue if you get seizures without sufficient warnings from the video creator. Think of the possibilities!

    I also just thought of what your fat chin would look like while having a seizure. It’s kinda entertaining in my head.

  • Sully

    The Tomb Raiders reboot was really good. A few more prompts than I’d like, but I still prefer it to the Uncharted games. Those are essentially interactive movies, and that just doesn’t interest me game-wise.

    The new TR that’s coming out is looking purdy kewl.

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10397233_569772569808403_7152194031958163475_o.jpg

  • X-nay on the chin buisness. You beginning to sound like my wife, kids, relatives and friends. Whats the deal?

    And you Americans with your liberties. In my country companies just beat you up and mug you if you get in their way. Most “natural causes” in sweden are directly IKEA related.

  • Stefan

    It was done well in ‘Heavy Rain’. Button-aware, but still very emersive.

  • Sully
  • Sully

    FPS Pixel art is the future!!!!

  • That reminds me of this funny thing. A’hue hue!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFhyZG-l5qY

  • Palpatine

    What country do you live in anyway?

  • Im Omitteds neighbour.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    lol,nope.David Cage’s scripts rival Uwe Boll’s work in sheer stupidity.

  • Kaingerc

    thrilling gameplay innovations
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBZrrdCEMwM

  • Hey. The bots are back! Atleast they have better names now than last autumn.

  • Palpatine

    Well Omitted lives in Finland, so that means you either you live in Sweden or Russia. And if you live in Russia that means we can’t be friends because the US and Russia are sworn enemies once again.

  • *pong

  • dollar store cashier wife

    I always thought of Tomb Raider reboot as Uncharted with boobs basically.

  • I live in Sweden. Do you even get to have friends? Concidering the darkside and all.

  • Luke

    Why aren’t Mike and Jay here?

  • I’ve never played Uncharted but I enjoyed the shit out of Tomb Raider. Sure, the story was a bit lacking in some places – Lara turns into this bad-ass really quickly… and man, they enjoyed killing her in the most gruesome ways. Some made me feel sick, actually.

  • Palpatine

    Course I have friends. I’m the President of the Dark Lords Club. Other members include Lord Voldemort, my cousin Pinhead, Sauron, and several others.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Hmm, what an ASTOUNDING hypothesis for Jack and Rich. 😐
    I will watch… And then I will judge you further!

  • Parenting Simulator: Mall expansion.
    Hope they add Cape fear and Your baby has diahrea expansions. Changing diapers and detectivework in the same game. It’s a brand new type of game. I’m thinking a ton of money with this new gamer geographic.

  • wivens

    Can you guys please play some RPGS or MMORPGS? Give the running-jumping-eating arcade games rest for a little.

  • vanman

    Rich’s description of young industries is the state of VFX now, BTW.
    Also, another game where you have to figure out what to do without any help, which makes it so much fun, is Out Of This World.

  • Mike hates games and Jay slaves with editing other films.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Oh yea, all that delicious JonTron lucre~
    It will be mine. Oh yes. It will be.

  • Palpatine

    Mike and Jay really aren’t gamers. Although Jay usually joins in on the PreRec streams, Mike doesn’t care at all about vidya games.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Jack would get a brain aneurysm before even figuring out the HUD of a MMORPG

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    How are you all so goshdarn bilingual? What are you, wizards or something?

  • dollar store cashier wife

    I remember a point being made that Lara will be less sexualized in the reboot.Then you get these excessive death animations that linger just long enough to think that’s the fetish of the developers and you feel like taking a shower.

  • Sully

    I kinda like how the two games have inspired one another over the years. That dose of healthy competition has benefitted both, but Tomb Raider has managed to keep its puzzles a little more pure.

  • Hank_Henshaw

    It only makes sense that the people behind Best of the Worst would eventually pay respects to Italian Spiderman.

  • I of wonder if my reaction would have been the same if a male protagonist died in the same ways. Maybe it’s because of culture, I don’t know. Still, I rewatched some of them just now to see if I’m just oversensitive… and they made me squirm again. I need a shower.

  • I grew up with English because of sattelite tv and having classes in school since the fourth grade. I guess you could say I grew up with it asmuch as swedish in a way. Most things I read was in english and most things I watched on TV were english.

  • Sully

    You know what I’d like. I’d like a game like GTA:V where you’re given a sprawling landscape of cities, wilderness, and small towns, but instead of it being a crime game, it’s a zombie infested survival game.
    H1Z1 is trying to do something like that, but it’s just so short sighted. I want that level of immersion and detail that the GTA games have.

  • Bahareh Khosravi

    These were all on the tip of my tongue! Thanks gents!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I still don’t like the generic click-bait title, but I guess the video is allllllllllllright…

  • Bahareh Khosravi

    Do you have the biggest ship so as to signal the boss fight? I need a boss fountain before that though just FYI.

  • David Anderson

    I particularly enjoy the button prompts during God of War’s off camera sex simulations. Wiggle the stick side to side really quickly! Each iteration of the game makes it funnier.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I kind of figured it might be a cultural exposure thing. They often teach Spanish in school here in a half-assed sort of way, but even with a fairly large hispanic population in the country, there was never really much opportunity to apply it unless I really went out of my way (and I’ll be damned if I was going to do that in elementary / junior high!). My best second-language is Japanese (*and probably Latin after that), but I’ve never felt anywhere near fluent in it. Anyway, sorry for nattering on, but I continue to be in wonder of all the non-native English speakers on this webzone.

  • Bahareh Khosravi

    Maybe he’s going against the form-must-follow-content rule, so that in his own way, he’s refusing the formula… yeah it’s probably what you said.

  • Sully

    I remember that game. Back then games were like the movie Edge of Tomorrow. You’d just run around. Try something. Take an grenade to the face. Die. Try something else. Live – Die – Repeat. It’s what games should be like.

    Prompt gaming is the equivalent of “Everyone gets a trophy” which is boring and pointless.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I did think that was QuanticDream’s most elegant interface.

  • Palpatine

    A ship? Those are kid’s stuff. I got a moon sized battle station with a superlaser able to destroy a planet.

  • Sully

    Lara sure has come a long way since she first popped her pointy tits into the gaming world.

    http://www.twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/tomb_raider_evolution_by_xeno55-d5zvmoi.jpg

  • That is why the video pauses periodically unless you hit the button it indicates on the screen.

  • Sully

    I bet you do, Dave.

  • Eric

    In Heavy Rain you can use button prompts to control a naked women taking a shower.

  • William Johnston

    But Call of Duty took 12 years to make. It’s a masterpiece. No game director has ever done something so grand and ambitious.

    The best games are the ones where the developers don’t hold your hand. If you want to reach the stars you have to climb up a staircase of dead bodies (made of either your enemies or your own failures/continues).

  • Sully

    Big deal. For $10 I can get a toothless hooker to do the same thing IRL.

  • Eric

    But there are not button prompts.

  • Eric

    It just seemed like the perfect example of something dumb in a game, exactly what they were talking about in the video.

  • H1Z1 looks like alot of fun.

  • Eric

    They actually have button prompts for things you really do not want to do, things that change the story, so that was pretty cool. You still have to make quick decisions. The shower sequence was hilariously unnecessary though.

  • Latin… are you a wizard? I don’t mind the “nattering”! I see it as a bonus. I check in here many times per week and during all reading/writing/spamming it’s fun getting a bit of personal info dropped out in the mix. =)

  • Sully

    It does, but it’s a little shallow.

  • Cream-A-Thon

    Rich’s wearing Mike’s only clean shirt. Amirite?

  • Russell Mathias Furr

    Video games haven’t been good for 15 years. If its not a first person shooter of modern war or slightly in the future…its a first person or third-person over the shoulder *rolls eyes* of a space shooter…or some slight variation of it. The new wolfenstein i was so excied for but fuck, its kill 15 enemies..then do some busy work click and gather this or go here and search here…its the same everytime its fucking annoying, busy work making you feel like a total tool

  • netcrave

    Actually the big players in this business see it the exact other way around. Many major publishers like EA plan to dumb down games much more extremely than ever before. One of the articles I read about this recently: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ea-exec-our-games-are-too-hard-to-learn/1100-6425141/

  • There problably will come a ton of similar games.

  • Sully

    Yeah, I’m hoping it inspires some new ideas. Which is the best thing about these small innovative titles.

  • Sully

    I look forward to not buying their “product” anymore. To be honest the indie marked is kicking the shit out the major developers these days. The big labels are just too fucking stupid to realize it isn’t a phase, it’s an exodus.

  • Russell Mathias Furr

    Heavy Rain is just about the best example of a game where you have to be involved in it as if its your own world…and to DO FUCKING ANYTHING..you’re told what to do…

  • Russell Mathias Furr

    If you can explain why its a ‘masterpiece’ and not at all like any other game, that would be a masterpiece. Please do.

  • Russell Mathias Furr

    If you’re 12 or younger, this comment is ok, if not, stop breathing.

  • Mark Bisone

    As usual with Pre Rec, I’m not sure I have much insight to add. I’m just a bit older than Jack and Rich, but I haven’t been into playing video games for quite a long time and know very little about the modern scene. In my youth I was an arcade hound, though, and this episode reminded me of a popular cabinet series that always bugged me: Dragon’s Lair

    A single credit cost between 50 and 75 cents, depending on the venue, which was a lot of money back in those days when we were walking to school barefoot in the snow uphill both ways. The biggest problem was that it was an utter sham of a game – a kind of slow motion Dance Dance Revolution with admittedly beautiful Don Bluth visuals. The goal was to – via a process of costly trial and error – memorize all the correct dance steps for each randomly loaded room and execute each them at the correct moment by waiting for a visual prompt. In practice, this was the complete opposite of immersion in a game whose entire purpose was to immerse the player in a fluid, engaging, Disney-esque world. In order to get anywhere in it, you had to perceive the game like the old electronic memory game “Simon”, except without the randomization factor of the individual steps. That meant that by the time you’d spent enough money and time to finally complete it, you’d already seen all of Bluth’s animations so many times and in such a robotic frame of mind that you were completely bored with them.

    But here’s the rub: you know what was even worse than Dragon’s Lair? Dragon’s Lair 2. Apparently, some hotshot with a spreadsheet heard the complaints of gamers about the exhausting and soul-deadening memorization process, and demanded two changes be made:

    1) The rooms will no longer appear randomly, but rather in a set, linear order.

    2) Whenever a player has to move in a certain direction or press a button, he’ll be told exactly what to do by a glowing object on the screen.

    So, in order to solve the problem of an immersive game that wasn’t immersive and was barely a game, they made it even less of a game and added a layer of glowing prompts that prevented it from even being a watchable cartoon. I sense a lot of the same problems in the games you guys highlighted, and they sound like big leaps backward to me.

  • Sully

    I used the same Simon analogy in an earlier post. It’s the opposite of immersion. I can’t even stand a cluttered onscreen HUD, let alone prompts every time I walk by something I can interact with.

  • netcrave

    I don’t see it as this grim. Pretty much everyone makes good and bad games now – although even “bad” nowadays often only means that active gamers have played way too many games of the exact same type.
    The market is so diverse now, that there are games for almost every niche.

  • James McKenzie

    It took you 12years to make, and the Death Star cleaned out the Oscars.

  • Mark Bisone

    Don’t tell Rich! Based on his fetish for games like “FTL” and “Master of Orion”, badmouthing cluttered HUDs might earn your foxy ass a nice long ban.

  • pete smith

    I remember back in the days Dragons Lair was most amazing looking arcade game, but even child’s mind figured out pretty fast this shit is just about knowing what button of four to push at right moment to proceed. COD and other mainstream games are so fucking dumbed down for “urban market” we are back to dragons lair era excitement and requirement of actual skill.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Sly as a canine, Sully.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Boyhood thing.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    OK, I am not whatcha call a “gamer”, with not playing anything worth talki’n ’bout since that there early PS2 era, still, I always found that “immersion” is pretty ill-defined concept, which can be substituted with “enjoyment” and thus can hardly be compared, at least not whlie you try to make somewhat objective statements. ‘s just my two cents, fellas.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    We good speak.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Are..are you talking about lube?

  • Palpatine

    Fyuck this vidya game shit, the Boyhood Awards Oscars are on tonight!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Yeah, go to the Oscar Buzz show to spread the love. It’s a thing.

  • Ogrot

    Don’t you have a klan meeting you ought to be going to? It takes a special kind of mind to take a conversation about button prompts and immersion in games and make it about race.

    Especially for a game series designed to feed the power fantasies of white teenage boys as a primary demographic.

  • Palpatine

    Oh come on now, in about two hours, this whole comment section will change the topic to the Oscars, and I mine as well start it. Anyhow, gimme your predictions folks, don’t be shy.

  • Like Icare

    You mean “CAN’T be substituted with “enjoyment””?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Everything – Boyhood.

  • Palpatine

    When I was a kid my grandkids were a bit younger back in the mid-2000’s, my their favorite series was Ratchet and Clank. Anyone who grew up back then knows what I’m talking about.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Stop messing with my brain.

  • Mark Bisone

    And here I figured you were still pissed about that Phantom Menace snub. As far as I’m concerned, “Wipe them out! All of them,” is still up there with “I could’a been a contender!” and “Frankly, Scarlet, I don’t give a fuck” for immortal movie quotes.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    On a serious note, how fucked up is it that neither of the prequels got nominated for VFX, but Ep 3 got a nod for of all things Make-up? No offense, Palpy, but you did have a wrinkly testicle for a head in that one.

  • Mark Bisone

    Maybe they were referring to Natalie Portman’s lip gloss, and Hayden Christensen’s lifelike tortured brow?

  • Palpatine

    To be fair my face was pretty puffy because of the lightning.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    That was no lip gloss..

  • Mark Bisone

    I hear the camera adds 10 midichlorians.

  • Like Icare

    No, I’m serious (for a change). Did you mean to say “can’t”?

    Cause I think that IF one can be substituted with the other it is usually an exception and a very special case – like special controllers making an essentially trivial shooting gallery game “fun”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088y5VDQFzA

  • Palpatine

    Don’t forget about Ewan McGregors glued on beard.

  • Mark Bisone

    You mean, someone was manipulating the force to create… life… on her face?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Heh. Yeaaah.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    No, I did mean “can”. I find the concept to be too fuzzy to be useful, but I get that it’s supposed to be somethng as “flow” from positive psychology. Which I don’t like either.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    No. I’m talking about bleaching and waxing.

    How else do you make an asshole look better?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I stand corrected. And slightly itchy.

  • Now I Get It

    Canada half-assed French, similarly, which is a shame because languages are fun, as I found out later. And, yes, this site’s plenitude of NNESeses is a wonder, humbling even.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Fyuck? You’re not Pa Kent!

  • Wizard Phoenix

    JASON! JASON!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Shouldn’t you be working on your next rap album instead of heckling senior emperors?

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Not to mention their rapid readers are all assholes who think they’re smarter than us. I don’t need to mention that big thing on twitter they think is “sexist” but I would like to mention the Sonic Overrated video. Remember that? Fuck Kotaku and Gawker, I’m glad they’re losing money.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Best Documentary – “How Not To Make A Movie”

    It wasn’t even nominated, but I bet that screechy dude with the Safari Hat’s gonna run up to the winner, steal the Oscar out of his hands, and drop down through a portal into Hell to escape.

    It’s gonna be magical and painful on the ears.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    I made a bet with my friend. If Boyhood wins Best Picture I have to watch Bucky Larson Born To Be A Star. If it doesn’t she has to watch it. God help me.

  • Mark Bisone

    Maybe he’s been manipulating him all this time with the dark side of the Fyorce.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    I’m working on a Woody Allen movie, I have no more time for rapping.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Rich’s uncle’s call – a chilling moment worthy of at least a nod in, I dunno, screenwriting. One of those disposable ones.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Oh god! It’s happening to you! Well at least you’re not an asshole from Kotaku. Carry on,

  • quick_moranis

    Out of the movies I’ve seen Birdman should win in my opinion.
    The Raid 2 should get best foreign, but that’ll never happen

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Calm the fuyck down!

  • Palpatine

    I’m behind it all!

  • Wizard Phoenix

    I have, I’m just leaving unfinished comments that I clearly did not edit later.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    They should make a whole new category and call it “Nanu’s House Destruction.” How Not To Make A Movie would win every year by default.

    It’ll be awarded during the commercial break, but it’s the thought that counts.

  • tOmy`

    Damn, this was supposed to be the place where I drop my super insighftul comments about “What am I playing lately” and Oscar Buzz was supposed to be the current mayhem.

    My plan has been foiled!

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    What if you just cut the power grid for your whole town so she doesn’t find out for a couple of hours? Then you can avoid watching the film because you’re in jail.

  • omitted

    I have given my predictions – in the appropriate section.

  • BlowingBubbles

    I generally don’t like to rant, but Rich and Jack are just miles off-base on this one. I work in the game industry, and the button prompts on the screen are a staple of game design now for two simple reasons, and it’s not a secret.

    1) Games are not designed for people like Rich and Jack. Hardcore gamers are not the target market for 99% of games. People who play games 5+ hours a day are not who games are targeted at anymore because they are not the majority of the market. The market is now made up of casual gamers, many of which grew up on the NES market, but now have jobs and can’t play games all day.

    2)Because games are now designed for a more casual audience, this means that people aren’t playing the game for 60 hours straight from start to finish. They’ll play on monday for 2 hours. Then maybe on Friday they’ll pick it up again. In between, they completely forgot what the fuck ‘X’ does, because the ‘X’ in this game is different form the ‘X’ in that other game. So instead of making them re-learn to play the game every time they pick it up, the solution is to give them a button prompt.

    3) Secret reason number 3, is that controllers now have 16 buttons and two multi-directional joysticks, as opposed to NES’ piddly 2 buttons and a directional pad.

    In conclusion, the screen buttons aren’t there because we think you’re dumb. They’re there because we know you’re lazy and don’t want to have to re-learn the game.

  • Palpatine

    What film awards show do you watch?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Well, Bubs, you seem to be in the know, I am giving you attention before Oscar talk sweeps it away.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    “Rich and Jack are just miles off-base on this one.”

    in other news:water is wet

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    What’s so bad about Kotaku, if I may ask? I’ll never visit the website, but just wanted to know why you loathe it so.

  • Like Icare

    OK… I am clearly tired. I had to reread that at least 3 times before it stopped sounding like I was being stupid while reading something in a foreign language.
    One I don’t understand, but which has some resemblance to some other language I do understand.

    Dammit…. I planned to get rid of all this crap and have a shower and… Ok… I’m starting to ramble now… off to bed… well after I tear apart ONE more PSU.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    You game, don’t you Domo. I don’t and I am aware of Gamergate and SJW related bullshit.

    SJW hate related bullshit that is

  • The Ghost

    So, when you guys are streaming on Twitch and you’re nearing the end of the stream, you have to press that “end stream” button, right? So what you’re saying is that you guys aren’t fully immersed in the world of Twitch streaming?

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Well, I’m aware of that stuff, but is that all Kotaku is known for? Or is their fanbase that’s crap also? Are all their articles shit? Or do people hate them the same way people hate AICN because of one MAJOR event?

  • tOmy`

    You tell them, omie! Go with the flow.

    (Yes, you are free to make any “flow” pun you wish.)

  • Kenlin Bros

    The final stage of evolution is trousers.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    From what I actually know (very little), it was more the putting the political agenda of the writers in the articles and some native advertising related stuff. Plus the whole stigma after what I can only perceive as fuck all, which created that “movement”

  • tOmy`

    I have to agree. I never considered myself a gamer (as I spent most of my years playing one certain multiplayer FPS and never wanted to spend more time playing something else) but I think I have some sort of a “connection” with the industry, genres and (mostly) classic games. And what you are saying is basically right.

    The funny thing is that their comments are right as well (to some degree): Games changed, industry evolved and there is a place for everyone now. I miss good arena-shooters and maybe some other genres / titles, but honestly, for what kinda gamer I am, there is plenty of stuff to play. This will always be an endless discussion, but game companies do understand their target market and they are doing what they know is right.

    (It won’t stop me making fun of CoD to be honest.)

  • Wizard Phoenix

    It’s everything. Click bait journalism, articles about fucking nachos you buy at Taco Bell, they hate hate gamers yet love them, supporting shitty games and movies that they claim are great, multiple conflicts of interest, and they are owned by Gawker.

  • AAAAHH!!!! Why don’t these video games have an option to turn off the dumb hand holding button prompts? SOMEONE CREATE SOME MODS TO TURN THIS STUFF OFF!

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    So, Buzzfeed for gamers. Got it!

  • Now I Get It

    Quit showing off.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Buzzfeed only lacking complaining that it’s not the 90’s. You know what? I’m glad it isn’t the 90’s.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    In other news: Buzzfeed loves the 90’s!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Do people ever actually agree with these two on videogame stuff?

  • Jason Ross

    Moby champions Mario over CoD because 1994 was the last time his music was relevant.

  • tOmy`

    I find them amusing, fun and I can somehow relate. Cannot say I totally agree, but I think they have a point in their own world. Like… I understand what they are going for and can understand that someone like them sees it this way.

  • tOmy`

    And only 90’s kids will know! #KurtCobainIsDead

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    So, “Not really”.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    it’s less about enjoyment and more about just how little of relevance they have anything to say.I do enjoy PreRec streams however which is basically a RLM podcast once Jay joins in.

  • tOmy`

    Pretty much 😉

    It’s really 50-50 for me sometimes. For example, I am a massive Morrowind nerd who will constantly make fun of Skyrim. Because… hating is fun, I guess. Or I am just mocking any new FPS for being utter shit compared to the classics, while it’s not exactly true either. So I can relate to them hating stuff and making fun of things.

    But yea, “not really” would be possibly more spot on ^^

  • tOmy`

    Harsh! Look at me, bullshitting my way around that!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Oscar has got quite a long sword. If you catch my penis.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    “You say this Jack, but you’ve demonstrated on many occasions that even when the game gives you a button prompt on what to do, you can’t figure it out. Like the Batman grates? You spent like 2 minutes trying to pry one open because the game told you to press A, but you kept pressing A the wrong way. Now imagine if the game had not highlighted the grates to let you know to use them, and there was no button prompt for them at all. Press A for hypocrisy!”

    holy shit I love you PlagueofGripes(TBFP anyone?)

  • Sully

    The FTL Hud makes sense as it’s supposed to resemble a spaceship’s controls. For that game the hud is part of the immersion. I’m talking about games like COD. I’ve heard gamers mention the insane hud in Advanced Warfare, where the screen is so cluttered with shit, it’s nigh impossible to see the enemies when they pop up on screen. (skip to 1:35)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1qux4t7cyI

  • Sully

    Speaking of people who cum running at the very mention of “penis”, where’s Omitted?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Oscar buzz comment section. Mostly everyone is.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    you know I get not pleasure being grating towards PreRec.I said it before but the views they express are simplistic and unoriginal driven more by hyperboles and biases then research or experience.Just about every video could be summed in like a single forum post under 200 characters as opposed to a 20 minute long video.It really doesn’t help how often they come across as smug in these vids as well.There’s tons of video game related video content out there nowadays and this is barely scraping the bottom of a barrel.

  • I don’t know if you mean people in general or us at the comment section. Speaking for myself, sometimes. It’s mostly basic things they bring up. It’s not as advanced as gaming journalists write on articles or as many youtube gaming channels discuss. But I think they bring up valid points and what I enjoy the most is that it’s more laid back and is not saturated with noice or flashy things. It’s a small scale forum but I enjoy it more and more.

  • Soon 10.000 comments.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am getting stream-a-thon flashbacks, And not the good kind, like with acid.

  • I had never heard of this movie before. Promptly, I watched the trailer for it right now.
    I think part of me crumbled away. Like I will never be able to stand upright and look another human being streight in the eye anymore.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Hehe, Plague wrote that? It’s a small world indeed.

  • Hope Ishtar wins, that Hoffman is a hunk.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    I even saw him on a PreRec stream chat once.Senpai noticed me and it was glorious.

  • bb-15

    Usual stuff from Jack. He likes to play simple Nintendo arcade games and that is fine with me.
    But then Jack has to try to put down games that are more realistic than Super Mario.
    – Bottom line; There is nothing wrong with prompts in a realistic action game.
    No prompts in a realistic setting is like the Myst series or The Room for iOS where the goal is to spend hours figuring out how things work.
    Does Jack mention Myst? No, of course not. He wants to go back to playing a game where all he needs to do is have Mario jump.
    – In an action game most players don’t want to be stuck for hours figuring out how to open doors. Giving hints helps the game play.
    – As for cut scenes, Jack can’t understand that they give story information while remaining in the “world” of the game.

    * Watching Pre-Rec episodes try to review modern, realistic games is like seeing clips from a bad movie on Best of the Worst.
    It’s entertaining to see what the next train wreak from Jay and Rich is about.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Where do I push to care about awards?

  • Shakes_McQueen

    I agree that quick time events are idiotic and need to go away, but… really? How about the X-COM games, where you actually stop and pick what you’re going to do from a menu, and then they execute some complex move?

    Mario is “immersive” for what it is, but all it’s executing is a left-to-right platformer. If you’re not going right, you’re not doing it right. Games like Batman Arkham Asylum are far more complex, and so they try to include some unobtrusive hand-holding. And judging by how much you fumbled around, is it not kind-of necessary? When you’re in a big, busy 3D environment, trying to figure out how to move forward, is a glowing vent grate not kind of helpful?

    I agree the Call of Duty games aren’t that immersive, but that’s because they are the Michael Bay’s Transformers of video games. The stories are kind of shit, and they are chock full of “interactive cutscenes”, aka quick time events. They are big loud on-rails rollercoasters. But I don’t see the similarity between that, and the on-screen prompts in something like Arkham. To me, they become unregistered background noise once you know what you’re doing in a game, like the UI itself.

    Oh, and if you hate “interactive cutscenes” and button prompts, you’re just going to LOOOOOVE The Order 1886..

  • Top_Jimmy

    The original Deus Ex was the perfect template for all these modern games and didn’t need stupid prompts. FACT.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    I know. I might have to watch it.

  • forkinthebrain

    I did, because 12 years ago I sold the script of my childhood to richard linkbladder for a bag of pork rinds and a colostomy bag. He said “one day i will scam the world with your pointless life”, I kicked him in the balls and tripped over a rock and the pork rinds wedged their way into my brain through my nasal canal. That was one of the high points of my life believe it or not

  • Palpatine

    It’s Oscar time!

  • DiscipleOf TheWatch

    Why not do what they do in the Formula 1 racing games I like….Have beginner, intermediate and advanced modes. In beginner modes you have all the button prompts and driver aides, the expert levels you’re flying blind.
    You should be able to disable the glowing grates and boxes, disable all prompts and helps if you want to. Problem solved.

  • Palpatine

    Anybody else but me watching the Oscars?

  • DiscipleOf TheWatch

    Fuck the Oscars. I’m an Oscar Grouch

  • Palpatine

    Yay for actor I’ve never heard of!

  • Percy Gryce

    Ouch.

  • William Johnston

    As funny as that scene is, even better is when you glitch out the ending scene of the game yelling Shaun’s name over and over. Look up – “heavy rain shaun glitch”

  • Percy Gryce

    I liked this episode of Pre Rec when it ended.

  • disqus_cgLaPyyLh4

    John Hughes, the hack fuck, pulled that same scam on me 20 years ago. I tell him about the time my parents abandoned me on Christmas for a bag of pork rinds, little did I expect him to make a movie about it, But how fucking amazing was Boyhood. I mean 12 years to make a fucking movie.. amazing

  • Palpatine

    Now I’m sitting here by myself, uh, talking to myself. That’s, that’s chaos theory.

  • Palpatine

    Why don’t you like PreRec? It twelve years to, oh you know the drill.

  • omitted

    Join us on the dark side (Oscar Buzz thread)

  • Palpatine

    What thread? Seems I’m the only talking about them.

  • omitted
  • BlowingBubbles

    I know we all love Rich and Jack because of their movie opinions and them just being likeable guys… but is there anyone who really watches a Pre-Rec for deeper insight into video games in the same way they might read an IGN or GameSpot review? Is that even the goal of Pre-Rec?

    I think I asked this before and got the usual unhelpful responses, but… what is the purpose of Pre-Rec? Is it a game review show? Is it two people just talking about things vaguely video game related? Is it click bate? Is it brain in the fork? It’s such a bizarre ‘show’.

  • 1337 Skeet

    This is the video where Jack and Rich appear they are getting too old for videogames.

    -Shenmue isn’t the first game with quick-time events, games have had them long before. Dragon’s Lair anybody?

    -They’re still called quick-time events today, seems like they’re getting confused between the concept of a quick-time event and button prompt tutorials, and they keep confusing between the two in the video through-out

    – Batman Arkham Asykum HAS the exact quick-time events they’re complaining about (such as in boss fights), and then they further confuse buttom prompts with quick-time events. What are they supposed to do replace the button prompts they’re complaining about? Bind a singular key that you use one time in the game to pay your respects? The suggestion for their complaint doesn’t even remotely address what they’re complaining about. There’s a lot of comparisons in the video that don’t make a ton of sense and are incredibly vague.

    – Obviously the buttom prompts are there to make the games more accessible for new players. Just because their target audience is regular gamers, doesn’t necessarily mean developers want to simply give up on players who don’t play videogames all the time. Some people actually need this button prompts.

    – We wouldn’t have a large videogame industry if not for “spread sheets” and “target demographics”. There’s a reason why they do what they do.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I’m in one of my busiest weeks at university and after a bunch of free time and no RLM updates, they drop 2 new videos within 5 days.

    YOU HACK FRAUDS!

  • Phil

    I don’t think you understand the problem with designing a game based on spread sheets and target demographics. The problem is not that these things exist, the problem is when catering to them detracts from the immersion or quality of a game.
    We had a game industry long before this was normal, and there are plenty of games that don’t cater like that.

  • Phil

    Yes.

  • 1337 Skeet

    The problem is that you think games need to cater to you. What’s immersive to you is confusing as fuck and annoying to the average Joe. The gaming industry doesn’t cater to you. They’re businesses, built on making money, who haven’t made it as far as they have strictly appealing to hardcore niche gamers. If they weren’t targeting the average Joe, they wouldn’t get the funding to exist in the first place.

    The real cure is early access games. They’re funded by people who understand them so the audience, the developers, and the producers are all on the exact same page. So if gamers want a niche game that is immersive and confusing to the average Joe, they can go fund it themselves.

  • Now I Get It

    I like that. Declare victory, then depart the field. That’s good. That’s very good.

  • Phil

    I suppose you think it’s bad that I think movies should also cater to me by not catering to the lowest common denominator.
    Then I wonder what you’re even doing on this website. Oh well!

  • Red Skeleton

    Jack: Here is my thesis to get people to click on this video.
    Me: *Starts writing “Clickbaiting bastard” comment*
    Rich: You clickbaiting bastard.
    Me: Awwwww…….. 🙁

  • Michael Collins

    When I saw the title of the vid my first thought was ‘clickbait’, then the first comment I see mentions clickbait…hahahaha

  • thehilblog

    No.

  • Michael Collins

    Btw, I will not be watching this vid as both games are turds imo..

  • Red Skeleton

    You clickbaiting bastard.

  • BlowingBubbles

    Please explain how seeing a button that says “press y” detracts from the immersion or quality of a game. If you can do this, you will have an argument.

  • Phil

    If I wanted an argument with a random stranger, I’d press y.

  • BlowingBubbles

    Please uninstall internet. Also, I nominate you for the “dumbest thing ever said” award.

    This was dumb in so many ways, my brain divided by zero while trying to think of a response.

  • Phil

    *golf clap*

    The video explains why it detracts from immersion while adding nothing, and you’re asking me to explain to you what the video said. Did they use big words or something?

  • BlowingBubbles

    I asked YOU to explain it, as in… your opinion. But I sincerely regret that. I’m going to find a baby to talk to, his opinion will carry more weight and will yield more interesting discussion.

  • Phil

    And he’ll use smaller words. It’s win-win, really.

  • wondermint

    I’d say in Zelda it’s more like an Inventory thing. The Buttons are on Screen so you can see and use your favorited Items and Weapons and what you are equipped with, without pausing the Game. During a Fight you know what to do without looking at the Hud, because Actions have their dedicated Buttons. In CoD, the X-Button is not the pay-respect-Button, so they have to tell you when it suddenly is. I think there are better Ways to solve Problems like that.

  • BlowingBubbles

    I just bought this new game, it has amazing graphics, and a deep, engaging storyline. The main characters are well though-out, and the world just feels so real. Then I got to this one part and it said “Press A” AND I FUCKING UNINSTALLED IT! PIECE OF SHIT GARBAGE!!!11

    …. MotherFUCKER!

  • ArtCarnosaur

    Watch the PreRec live streams sometime. When playing a game with more than one or two buttons in the control scheme, Jack quickly becomes confused and irritated if the game doesn’t completely spell out the controls.

    Jack is just not into modern game titles. With some exceptions, he prefers relatively simple games with straightforward controls. And that’s fine! Everyone has their own tastes, but sometimes Jack wants to extrapolate his own preferences into sweeping generalizations and impose them on “Gaming” as a whole.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    I think it’s just Jack and Rich bullshitting about games. I rarely agree with either of them, but I enjoy watching PreRec.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    The game you’re looking for is Dark Souls.

  • Xor

    I’m drinking once if Boyhood (and other films) is mentioned, twice if it wins, and crying if it wins best picture.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    At this point, they’re basically multiplayer shooters with a quick and dirty, slapped together single player campaign. No one buys a CoD game for the story.

  • Martin Opsahl

    I have nearly identical taste in games as Jack…

    Sometimes they aren’t the most well researched and are just making stuff up as they go… but I usually agree with the sentiment.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    Mirror’s Edge was an underrated masterpiece. It’s the only game I ever bothered to put the effort into earning a Platinum Trophy for. The parkour mechanics were innovative and fun, and it had an ass kicking female main character without beating you over the head with feminism or turning into an obnoxious sex pot.

    I wish I lived in an alternate universe where Mirror’s Edge was a huge commercial success and went on to become influential in the industry, ha.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    holly Rich! they made an ‘Italian Spiderman’ reference! go Dinosaur.

  • Masterdebating

    Did anyone try to press “B” at the end of the video?

    Press ” Reply ” to reply.
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  • Alcatraz

    Another pre rec piece taking shots at Call of Duty. Word of advise, if you want good video game coverage and discussion check out giant bomb. Those guys know what they are talking about and they were in the industry before Nintendo even entered the market.

  • jmt

    Rich would make a great Italian Spiderman.

  • wondermint

    (I don’t think you can compare XCom and Batman. Different Games/Genres that try to make you feel immersed in different Ways.)

    “is a glowing vent grate not kind of helpful?”

    In a Mario Game, you try once if you can use the green pipes to get somewhere else. From this Moment on, you know what you can do, even in the most complex big and busy 3D Environment.

    If the developers of Batman would tell or show us, that it’s even possible to interact with things like Vent Grates, or if we could try Things out in the first Level – like in Mario Bros for the NES – we would automatically know how to move forward. (Don’t they do this? It’s the first thing you should do as a Leveldesigner. Make the player find out what he can do in the game)

    Just an Example. Batman could be trapped in a small Room, with a Vent Grate placed above a locked Door. Pretty obvious what to do now.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Use good syntax also we do.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    YES! I DON’T HAVE TO WATCH BUCKY LARSON! THANK YOU ACADEMY!

  • Crixxxx

    Borehood loses. I can’t believe the Academy refuses to honor a film that TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE.

  • Captain Matticus, LP Inc.

    Stylistically designed…again it’s like poetry…blah blah blah…

  • Captain Matticus, LP Inc.

    It’s like Kevin Spacey and Bob Odenkirk had gay sex and made a gay baby.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    suck it boyhood! yay birdman.

  • Derek Cottle

    The QTEs in Resident Evil 4 were easily the worst part of the game. QTEs are the worst part of any game, really.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    nope thats just when i’m at work. i’m home now and i loved the mighty triumph of ‘Birdman’
    and we all thought the Academy would fuck it all up and shower boyhood in Oscars jizz..

  • Robby

    Fuck Boyhood get money.

  • Robby

    Also, this is an interesting topic, at leasty whie inebriated. It seems like as a franchise gets more popular, the dumbing down becomes more pronounced, almost to appeal to more of the mainstream audience. I don’t mind a game having them, ads long as they’re defaulted to be off. There’s something so cool to me, in being dozens of hours into a game and then accidentally figuring out I can do something I didn’t know I could. I played twenty hours of Resogun before I learned you could use overdrive. Stuff like that is special to me. When the developer is telling me how to play the game, it makes me feel like I’m not the one playing.

  • Robby

    Is there anything you do like?

  • Thomas Goresen

    Thats a good point. It can’t be that hard to program them to be optional. Also do the same with QTEs. If you want a cutscene, fine, but don’t make me tap buttons. I’m not tricked and I know I’m not playing. Let me enjoy the animation in peace.

  • I Shot J.R

    What does the “Share” button do?

  • fred

    The skeevy title was all Jack. Rich said he was against it in the stream.

  • I Shot J.R

    “stuck for hours figuring out how to open doors”

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i do, but i’m old like them.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    I got nothing against prompts but for the love of Rich make them optional.
    i love flight sims. lots of controls to memorise.
    on that note: the world needs a new Mechwarrior game. that isn’t a lame online shooter.

  • Joe Syxpac

    This is bullshit! I pressed “B” at the start and I still had to watch the entire cutscene.

  • I Shot J.R

    Rich Hilleman

    Rich Evans

    Rich Evans confirmed for EA

  • DoctorKillpatient

    The button prompts have to do more with casualness of the modern games than anything else. The idea is that you can put the game down, play something else and then come back whenever you want without having to memorize the keys.

    It appeals nicely to the console ADHD crowds, since they’ll lose interest after few hours anyway. The chances that there will be a game similar to X3 Reunion or X-Wing, where memorizing the keys was crucial part of the game, are long gone.

    It’s like they said – one button to run and one to shoot.

  • Joe Syxpac

    No. We need more games like Dragon’s Lair and Space Ace. Options are dangerous and lead to free thinking.

  • Jonathan Blanton

    I’ve given Previously Recorded an honest chance, but I don’t think I’m going to watch their videos any more. They seem to know very little about video games, both artistically and especially technically. Also, the editing is kind of mediocre, their charisma during the episode is also lacking, and they don’t bring up any terribly interesting points during the discussion.

    They’re also very, very bad at playing video games. Their inability to play games competently seems to directly affect their judgment of the game. If a game is even moderately challenging or complicated they consistently give it an unfair assessment because they can’t figure it out. They often claim that games are too difficult or too complicated, but that assessment is made usually because they’re doing something wrong. A lot of uncomplicated games seem to confuse or baffle Jack or Rich and they just throw their hands in the air and say “I don’t get this game!”

    I know they already got flack for their Sonic review, but I’ll use it again as an example. I personally don’t enjoy the Sonic games, but their complaint that it was too difficult was ridiculous. I am below average at video games and I defeated it with relative ease. It looked like they didn’t even understand the controls.

    I will also say that, like Jack and Rich, I don’t like the wave of generic first person shooters and other generic crap pushed upon and gobbled up by the masses. But there are plenty of quality “mainstream” games, and they too often just off-offhandedly dismiss almost all of them. They also seem far too nice on any game independently made, nostalgic or made with pixel art.

    Sorry guys, I love your other shows, but Previously Recorded is just not for me.

  • Adam

    A discussion series? I think you may be trying to overcomplicate what’s going on here. Gaining a deeper insight is going to be entirely up to you and how much you can dig out of other people’s opinions.

  • Adam

    Quite a lot actually, and I’m not even remotely old! Although I don’t see how it’s an unpopular opinion to say that AAA video games are watered down more often than not.

  • Adam

    I’m going to take a chance here and just applaud you guys for sticking to your guns on this shit. I play mostly modern games and love them, but that doesn’t invalidate Pre-Rec’s observations that many of them are sorta stuck in a gameplay jailhouse. There’s tons of great art, technical and writing work going on in this games; examples like the Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Arkham, Dishonored..WHATEVER! But they are all just kinda about killing or hurting people to stop bad things from happening. A lot of the time that’s satisfying as hell, but it would be cool to see a studio with some money take a chance on new mechanics or experiences; at least, more often they do.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    You rebirthed yourself again?
    Yes, an option to turn off prompts is probably the best way to handle it. They’re still useful for people who don’t want to have to heavily memorize controls.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    NAMBLA dream-job…? :0

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Giant Bomb is good, even though sometimes I wish some members liked a greater variety of genres (apathy can be the crew’s biggest fault at times).

  • 1337 Skeet

    We’re in the same boat buddy. The world just isn’t for people like us. Everything is targeting the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately producers need to make money too by making everything accessible to everyone. Not everything can be a passion project, as much as I think that’s the way things should be.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Or frack you skinj-hauds! -as Whiny Galactica Babies would say!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Percy Gryce with the quick throat-stab.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Eww, I thought you were trying to lure us to the message-board section for a second. It smells of death over there.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Andrew goes from zombie to human again. Hell does not want him, only we do.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    So, anyway, even though I did not care, I am kinda happy with the Oscars going where they did. Even the editing one for Whiplash is there as I was hoping.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    As Percy usual.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    As if the new content is the only thing drawing us back here. No escape!

  • Andrew Thompson.

    satan didnt want the competition.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Warm Bodies showed us it was possible. 😛 Blrhhh~
    We are his blonde Kristen Stewart.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    “Plague-senpai”… u_u (twitch-twitch)

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    That was almost a pun! I’ll give you 1/2 an upvote (…rounded-up for practicality sake).

  • Admiral Robocop

    This could have been said in ten words. Thanks for the opinion though, real value

  • Jaws

    ya stick the game in, it loads, ya watch the opening titles n shit, waitin to press x to get to the titles screen, then ya click on story mode, it loads, ya prompt your way through the first bit, then finally just get to the game where ya shootin shit, and basically all ya wanted to do was shoot shit, and thats cool till it ends too soon, n then it loads, goes to the cut scene, which ya wanna skip, so ya press x, n it loads some more, n then watch people talk, which ya cant skip, then ya get to shoot shit again finally, if only ya could wack in the game n just shoot shit the whole time,yfuck the cut scenes, fuck the prompting,, i just wanna shoot shit, an go through a variety of levels that get harder n harder, but have the wicked ass gameplay of now, cod shooting shit the game, no frills, no bullshit.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i have to say when i want to shoot things, I FUCKING WANT TO SHHOOOOOT! THINGS!
    if i dont want to “Pay my respects” i should be allowed to kill the Marines stopping me leaving. i’ll claim PTSD and get off.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    that movie was a way better love story than twilight…
    now i say that a lot, but this time i’m serious!
    Warm Bodies showed us love(even if its for mowing.) can defeat anything.
    Twilight showed us if your a way older man just stalk a teenage girl, endanger her life, then kill her before she dies “so she lives forever!!!!”

  • Andrew Thompson.

    you should be watching Italian Spiderman.

    http://youtu.be/UhHhXukovMU

  • Michael Collins

    Wha…?

  • dollar store cashier wife

    why of course.At least Rich is above click bait unlike AIDS Moby.

  • Russell Mathias Furr

    Oh lord no, no thanks.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Love makes the undead. It don’t cure them. 😐

  • Sully

    Stop saying “also.”
    Also, I play a shit ton of games, (Being a writer gives me a lot of down time), and all of their points this vid were on target. Playing many games these days is like watching a movie that pauses at random moments forcing you to press a button to continue watching. That isn’t fun, it isn’t challenging, and no amount of “technical prettiness” can change that.

  • Sully

    Who is he? John Constantine?

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i would say both.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I think it would have been fair of Rich to take Vanquish, a game he’s very fond of, as an example. From my experience it does exactly the same thing as God of War with QTEs. In the Gamestation 2.0. episode he just says that the QTEs are fun to watch even though he generally hates QTEs, but never explains why they’re any better other than having fun animations.

    This draws me to the conclusion that he’s okay with QTEs if they look fun, so really the problem isn’t with the game mechanic, but poor animation instead.

  • WrongWithYourFace
  • WrongWithYourFace

    Is Italian Spiderman Australian?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    No kidding. I really am quite fond of that song in the end.

  • omitted

    Is this where all the cool kids hang out nowadays?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    They do exactly the thing you just described. In addition the vent glows orange when usind Detective Mode, of course for those who have crocodile brain, but it still does what you said.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    It’s an excuse for Rich and Jack to play more video games.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I kinda do but then they go off the rails.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    “I’m not sure I have much insight to add.”–>writes a lengthy four-paragraph comment.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    ‘Cept for Doctor Mario.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Or Norway. Czech your facts!

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Now to figure out who’s the most multilingual here. If you know more than three languages, raise a hand.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Enter Halo. Woot woot.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Oh, so that’s why it kinda flopped.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Here’s hoping Anita Sarkeesian doesn’t ruin the sequel.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Also, as a bonus, you could actually turn off the red environment hints. Innovation!

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I had no idea KatePery was so old.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Boyhood won only one Oscar and Birdman got tonnes. Jippikaijei. Topic closed.

  • Elliot Flemming

    The audio balancing on this is terrible. My laptop is pretty loud, but I’m listening to this on damn near max volume (it has that Beats logo carved into it, so that means big volume and noise, because marketing. But seriously, it is pretty loud. If iTunes were to resume playing at this moment, I would go deaf). The video game bits are fine, I can hear them perfectly. Rich is fine. In fact, he’s often the reason I need to turn the volume down. You can tell he’s an actor, because he projects like a motherfuck, even when he mumbles. But Jack is speaking so softly, he might as well be whispering. Yet, they appear to be getting the same treatment. Give Jack extra mics, or put it closer to his mouth. Strap it to his fucking face. Do SOMETHING.

    You may be talking about video games, but I’m not playing one. Stop making me push buttons. This is a video.

    Anyway, good content is still good, if Plinkett-less and poorly balanced, audio wise.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am here. So no.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    Well, she’s a huge fan of the first game, so hopefully she wouldn’t throw much of a monkey wrench into the works. I’m not sure if her level of involvement has ever been described. My guess is she’s there as a “consultant” and doesn’t have much pull.

    But, my understanding the sequel is that it’s practically reboot and they’re making massive changes to game play elements anyway, so it may end up as “Call of Duty with Parkour.” 🙁

  • ArtCarnosaur

    It’s pretty much the exact opposite of all the things you said you dislike. No shooting, no space, no busywork fetch quests, and it’s a critically acclaimed hit from a small developer that went on to attract a small but fiercely loyal cult following. If you aren’t willing to at least give it a shot, you’re being kind of silly.

    “Gaming hasn’t been good for 15 years.” If that’s genuinely your attitude, you’ve been missing out on a lot of great fun.

    Even in the classic era, for every Super Mario Brothers there were three shitty licensed games, two sports games that did nothing to differentiate themselves, and a shitty side scrolling platformer that spent more money on the box cover art than on design and coding.

    You just have to dig a little bit and be willing to try new things to find good stuff, and it’s always been that way.

  • omitted

    What next, you’re gonna stop me from making bad gay innuendo?

  • omitted

    Cash for ass!

  • Michael Tuthill

    TL:DW – basically, AAA gaming devs treat everyone the same…idiots that can’t figure out controls in a game.

    However – some people are using this effecting. Telltale games uses button prompts in a more interactive story book fashion. This doesn’t break immersion…plus all of their games have great stories with excellent writing and voice acting.

    *The Last of Us* – is one game that addresses this by giving the player the option to play with or without the button prompts (difficulty setting) super easy being the hand holdiness and harder removing it all together…also, if you haven’t played it – I suggest you guys do!

  • omitted

    Puts your profile up on Grindr.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    Jack refuses to play Last of Us because he thinks it would have too many cut scenes.

  • omitted

    “Strap it to his fucking face.” I’ll allow it.

  • BlowingBubbles

    As with most things on Pre-Rec, they completely mangled their own argument. QTE’s and button prompts are not the same. Developers don’t think of them the same, and players shouldn’t think of them as being analogous.

    I couldn’t follow a lot of your post, so I’ll only speak to the first paragraph. Yeah, there are probably better ways to do it, such as what you suggested. But what if one time isn’t enough? What if I accidentally skipped it? What if I was just hammering a whole bunch of buttons and I don’t know which one did what? What if there are 15 different types of grates and all of them open a little different?

    The worst possible thing that can happen during a game is people just throw their hands in the air and say “fuck it, I’m gonna go watch TV”. Button prompts are a big defense against this, and they make a very small impact on gameplay. Quick Time Events are something else entirely.

  • Michael Tuthill

    I mean, not really – only at the end/beginning of chapters really.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    It would only disappoint you if he played it. The unfortunate truth is that he’s kind of close minded and easily confused if the game isn’t a 2D platformer with simple controls.

    Rich might dig Last of Us, though. It’s hard to tell with him, but the dark atmosphere might turn him off. An example of a bigger title he dug was Far Cry: Blood Dragon, but he liked it because it had a goofy sense of humor.

  • Mark Bisone

    Why not just include an option to turn off prompts?

  • BlowingBubbles

    Let’s talk about immersion and what a bloated, made-up concept it is. Immersion is not the goal of games. Saying that immersion is a key component in games is to say that “To get the bad guy” is why movies are made. For some games, immersion is a big part, but it is never the goal. The goal is to have fun. If you’re an “RPer”, you can fuck off, this discussion isn’t for you.

    If you’ve ever played a game and you forgot that you were some fat nerd in his living room, you’re delusional. It just doesn’t happen. Even the most immersive games such as the Elder Scrolls or Witcher can’t boast this. You will never forget this completely. It’s stylistically designed to be this way, and all we can do is diminish the effects of it.

    At best, for a few brief moments you can imagine that the world of Tamriel is real and that you are it’s savior, but then you’ll reach over, grab your bag of cheetohs and the magic is lost again.
    You know what really breaks immersion? Talking to your 500,000 followers on your twitch stream in between deaths. I’m pretty sure Link wasn’t livestreaming while battling to save the Kingdom of Hyrule.

    So at the end of the day, who gives a fuck if Mario is More Immersive than Call of Duty? HitB has less tits than Game of Thrones.

  • Mark Bisone

    But in that case, I figure they are speculating on near future military gear, based on stuff in development now.

    http://kitup.military.com/2014/05/darpa-develops-infantry-heads.html

    So maybe all that overlayed shit makes it more immersive for those players?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Yeah, it’s unclear what her part is as of yet. It just baffles me that they got her onboard with Mirror’s Edge of all games. That’s like the one game that didn’t need a feminist touch.

  • Bubs

    I very rarely agree with them. I think they had a point with the sonic thing, he’s a little too fast and it’s not fun crashing into shit all the time. But otherwise they’re completely out of touch. They said Crash Bandicoot was stupid, despite clearly never playing it.

    If it’s not Mass Effect or some 2d Pixel-junk shooter, then it’s doing everything wrong. They’re very close-minded in their views of games on Pre-Rec. I know they never really strived for “unbiased integrity”, but without that, their opinion is worth about as much as any asshole on the street.

  • NotRickBerman

    I believe they call that “Shade 11”

  • NotRickBerman

    He said “Topic closed” not “glory hole closed”

  • ArtCarnosaur

    Yeah. Mirror’s Edge didn’t need to wear feminism on its sleeves and scream “I AM A WOMAN I CAN DO ANYTHING YOU CAN DOOOO ERAAAAAA ESTROGEN!!!”

    Faith just seemed like a real person who was a woman. That’s what gaming needs.

  • NotRickBerman

    Let’s not jump to conclusions.

  • NotRickBerman
  • WrongWithYourFace

    At least he’s constantline here.

    *Slide whistle*

  • NotRickBerman

    No, you’re thinking of the Indian Terminator, who is from New Zealand.

    I hear he was a boxer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLztPDZVbA

  • NotRickBerman

    I dunno, what they lack in quantity (titty?) Rich makes up for in quality.

  • Bubs

    Wow. This video sponsored by Apple?
    Fucking neckbeards.

  • tOmy`

    You know, for everyone (and by that mean it’s love-it-or-hate-it kinda thing) who would like to watch something games-mocking related, yet under 4 minutes with awful cynicism and unique style, there is always Bro Team – the youtube’s hidden treasure. Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=retDcKfg9BQ

  • Bubs

    I don’t know. I imagine because it never even occurs to them that it’s something people would be bothered by. And if it does come up, there are 800 other problems that are more important at the moment.

  • Lt Hurwitz

    Still only playing games on your Hufnagel Auto-Collator? Get with the times.

  • tOmy`

    And my second most favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6aaYPsI-eY

  • TamatoDamashi

    Wow, you are very sure of yourself. Have you never got lost in a story? There are plenty of movies and TV shows where time and the awareness of self gets lost, and all I’m doing is experiencing the show. Games can be the same.

    It is jarring when something takes you out of that experience. While you never forget who you are, you can get immersed in the game. Immersion is key for a lot of gamers and their fun, even if you don’t think it is important or necessary. I think you either don’t understand the concept of immersion, or lack the ability to become immersed.

    In the end, these guys were discussing modern day handholding and how it ruins the experience of figuring it out yourself while also removing you from the experience…this is why games where you have to fight with the controls are not rated highly (cough Kinect games). Imagine Shadows of the Colossus as a modern game – that bitch would be littered with QTEs and button prompts – none of which would help the experience, only detract from it.

  • Bobbysnobby

    I would not consider them a small concession they are not just applied sparely they are used constantly and I disagree that it results in just a small negative impact on the experience. For example look at horror games like Silent Hill Homecoming The game is filled with button prompts and it completely shatters the mood and the tone of the game. It ends up looking and feeling like two different games because the tone is so miss matched.

    I think a reasonable comparison would be to say “All movies must have closed captioning so that no one is ever lost or confused” Ok but can it be optional? Can we disable it so it doesnt clutter up the screen? No. That would be more work than just having it always on, your experience will be compromised because we dont want someone else’s experience to be compromised.

    I think the reason consumers like me and others of a similar mindset are so irritated by it, is because this generation of games contains games like Fromsofts “Demon souls” which explains nothing, along side games like Bioshock Infinite which is basically a corridor SHOOTER and one which doesnt even trust the players to be able to point and shoot (button prompt to throw the apple at the show host or the bi-racial couple rather than aim and shoot). The level of hand holding is getting to parody levels at this point, Nintendo’s “Super Mario Galaxy 2” had a dvd where it explained to players that if you push the A button Mario Jumps.

    To me it shows that the industry has zero faith in the players to even try to experiment. Button prompts are just one example of how the industry views its player base, or at least how AAA titles by and large chose to. There are far more examples than just button prompts and many of them are more egregious. Having said that I wont stand for it being defended as a protection for the players when its so sloppily done. To me its a disconnect with the average consumers capabilities or a lack of willingness to lose some of your audience for the experience of those who put forward effort.

    I said I would give examples of how you could do it which would be less obtrusive.
    1) Reset the prompts each session which just serve as a refresher for players who play intermittently.
    2) Faster animation start ups when the correct prompt is pressed so that there is a faster feedback for players who press all of the buttons trying to figure it out.
    3) Optional/Toggle-able prompt displays.
    4) More audio/visual feedback when a prompt is needed or the correct input is made. Rich and Evans pointed out Batman’s little alert squiggles over the enemies head rather than a button prompt as an example of just this.
    5)Guacamelee used good colour design in their levels, they used colours from the controllers button inputs in the environment which related to one another. While not for every game I think it was fairly elegant.
    6) More context sensitive prompts an example is the large history on PC games of E or F being Generic use keys.

    These are literally just things that spring to mind many of which are inspired by games I think do it pretty well. There are ways of doing it other than having a Xbox certified image of the button on screen, and many design teams make use of those other methods. I’m positive any design team has several people who have better methods which both give players the information they need, as well as not intrude on the visuals or tone. The issue is not that games require specific inputs which are context sensitive, its that the way they ask the player to do those inputs totally takes you out of the game.

  • Lt Hurwitz

    Playing those games on Veteran changed them into survival horror games too, it could only get so close to reality obviously, but you got a gist of the horror of war because of how quickly you bought it when the battles started.

    Now the franchise is part of the indistinguishable mass of “cinematic” sci-fi shooters, and making billions. It’s the “Transformers” of gaming, that’s all really.

  • Mark Machado

    Mmmm. Interesting. Review games or the mechanics of a game anyway.I like.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    my favorite:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-d1shYJwHY

    the star trek:mmorpg and minecraft videos are not far behind.

  • Lt Hurwitz

    Yeah, and I’m not big on hearing 13 year old’s learning to swear for the first time so I avoid online gaming.

  • shogunmaster

    I don’t get it. Was Rich Evans that bad guy here? There were no prompts. I couldn’t tell. What was going on here?!?

  • Bubs

    Movies =/= games.
    QTEs =/= button prompts.
    Everything else I just disagree with.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I guess it’s funny and all, I just can’t take the noise more than 15 seconds at a time.

  • shogunmaster

    How could Birdman have won?! It must have taken 13 years to make or something..

  • tOmy`

    Also: Crysis. Lot of good shit in it.
    “Modify your graphic stick and you should be good to graphics.”
    “Should have warned you about graphic content, cuz now you got visual AIDS.”
    “Bet you never seen a sewer like this, huh, motherfucker? In full fucking 40k film quality. RGB. Dolby Surround. Microsoft!”
    “Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.”
    “Iam sorry assholes, didn’t see you there over the sound of how far can I see in this videogame!”

    You could say I am a bit of a fanboy. cough cough

  • tOmy`

    Understandable. I am either using these videos to seduce women or torture friends.

    Or the other way around.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I guess Linklater wasn’t ambitious enough. I’m thinking Manhood will take 24 years to make.

    Now stop making me talk about Olscars.

  • ikdks

    I met Morey Amsterdam at the opening of a Boscov’s.

    I was sneaking back “stage” through a fire escape stairway, and while I was walking up, one of Mr. Amsterdam’s costars, Zippy the Chimp, was coming down the steps on rollerskates. When we crossed, he kicked me in the shin and fell on his ass.

    So I meet Morey (I call him Morey) and i tell him the story and he goes, “Monkey jokes, monkey jokes, a man sees a woman walking down the street with a chimp and says, ‘Mixed marriages never work.'”

    Greatest day of my life.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Time for father Africa TO GET HIS!!!

  • NotRickBerman

    I’m waiting for the Minesweeper video.

  • Kelsie

    I guess the question arises, do “the masses” LIKE immersive games? Are Big Gaming Companies hand-holding because there are plenty of (or enough) people who prefer it to immersion?

    I’ve been a gamer of one sort or another since I was very young because my dad is super hardcore (in my case, it’s more that I’ve dabbled in everything from Go to D&D to MTG to video games, and I just have a few games I’m “serious” about) and immersion is important to me because gaming is so escapist for me… but are there people who don’t like that? Who just want a mild distraction without getting super involved in the characters or story or world? I mean, I love the frick outta DDR and it’s not immersive in the slightest, but I’m also hardcore into SSB4 and I find it extremely immersive even though each character’s story is in their original game(s) and not actually in SSB4 itself.

    I believe I’m obliged to end this comment with some sort of quote, so, um… PAAAAWNS.

  • tOmy`

    My record in Minesweeper is under 2 seconds. I hacked that custom mode when I was a kid.

    I am still proud of that moment.

    #HatersGonnaSweep

  • Sully

    If I were a soldier having to deal with that shit, I think I’d just rip my helmet off once the bullets started flying.

  • G. Xiong

    Hope to give helpful feedback on the show.
    Going to leave the same comment I left on youtube and alter it convey what I mean:

    I feel like you guys are taking a wrong approach into discussing about game design. Instead of trying to be comedic snark, you should play it a little more dry. An example on the reason for this would be the comment section of these videos on youtube, people just dont understand what you are actually trying to get at, hence the backlash. Its not about Thief doing a bad job, its not about Call of Duty’s Pay to Respect, nor is it about God of War, well not completely about them, but more the design choice. When you come at it like this you piss off people that are naive to filter your snark. I mean just look at that title, pure moronic decision in disguising it in clickbait: Previously Recorded – Why Mario is more Immersive than Call of Duty.

    You guys are just asking to get attention and make people angry, if that is the case then: Well done. If you actually wanted to have a proper discussion on the real fundamentals of game design, then you are going at it the wrong way by pissing off stupid people that cant discern from you guys trying to take a comedic jab at the subject. I mean the actual comments on the site is great because your real fans know what approach you are coming from on here: the site; but not on Youtube: The Safari of the Asshole. The people there are pretty stupid… especially the angry one that block the flow of proper discussion.

    In other words, you guys need to do a better job at conveying your themes and motivations. Come at it with *Whats wrong with button prompts* rather then your current poor one.

  • Alcatraz

    Nah, they use macs for editing videos and managing their website. They mentioned at the beginning of that years e3 that they weren’t going to bother covering up the apple logos because who honestly cares. They all use PCs for their own personal use and during unprofessional fridays aswell.

  • wondermint

    So, they give the Players the Opportunity to learn how to handle different Situations later in the Game without handholding, but there is still the “tab A to open” Text on Screen everytime you are near a Vent. I totally understand why this annoys People, especially in atmospheric Games like Batman and Alien.

  • Mark Bisone

    I’ve worked on pretty complex development projects in the past, so I know how it can sometimes feel like like bailing water off a sinking ship. But seriously, we’re just talking about one flag here. Literally 1 display bit.

    I’m guessing it’s the first thing, then. Apparently it does bother some people, even in games they enjoy.

  • tOmy`

    I have been waiting to make this post for quite some time: What am I currently playing? This is gonna be rather lengthy, so I’ll just provide quick rating of the games on the top of the post and you can scroll down to either read it all (you know, if you’re stupid) or just find the particular game you are interested in. Here it comes!

    Bulletstorm: 5/10
    Deus Ex: Human Revolution (Director’s Cut): 28/10
    Grid 2: 7/10
    FTL: 8/10
    Saints Row: The Third: 8/10

    BULLETSTORM

    This is the most disappointing thing since any Unreal Tournament sequel. Now for those who wonder: Yes, I am quite aware of what the game wanted to achieve – putting fun back into gun. And I will explain in detail why it failed miserably.
    Let’s rewind a bit: Demo was not out yet and (UsedToBe) Epic Games made a small minigame with a sole purpose: Mocking CoD and all the modern shooters. You can check it out for yourself on youtube or I guess you can download it. (There is a neat Total Biscuit’s review on it, it is called Duty Calls.) Now what exactly did they mock? Corridor shooters, bloody screens, boring-ass maps, uninteresting plot and dialogues, cutscenes and quicktime events.
    This idea was so hilarious that when I first installed Bulletstorm, I almost died of frustration. Why? Well, the game is basically one big corridor shooter with bloody screens, boring-ass maps, uninteresting plot, cringe-worthy dialogues. Also, the better part of the introduction (around 30ish minutes) is basically one big cutscene with quicktime events.
    Oh. And you cannot jump in the game. I cannot stress this enough, so I won’t even try.
    Graphics and some ideas are simply stunning – sure. Weapons are fun, the system of points for crazy kills accompanied by ability to buy guns, upgrade them and unlock some random stuff on them is neat as well. Incorporation of leash and sliding is super cool, but you know what? I would rather FUCKING JUMP.
    My rating may be a bit biased by the fact that I loved the mentioned marketing campaign and for that reason, the game fell just flat. Right on it’s fucking gun.

    Deus Ex: Human Revolution

    I said it many times and I will say it once more: This may be the best thing to ever happen in gaming industry. The amount of detail and attention to detail in this game is beyond stunning. I could go on and on about it for 9 hours, but I will try to do it in 3 lines:
    Atmosphere – superb. Story – superb. References, inside jokes, hidden jokes – superb. Dialogue, voice acting, jokes – superb. Soundtrack – superb. Graphics (in regard of what was available) – superb. Mechanics – superb. Ending – possibly the best I have ever seen. Cyberpunk – superb.
    The only game I have ever seen to have some “thinking consequences” on my life. I could not shake the feeling of playing this game for weeks to come. I guess, seeing as lot of you talk about it in here, this was immersive to the point I was thinking about the game while not playing it. Oh, and by the way, on topic as well: If you play the game on hardcore, you can totally disable all map marks, icons, glow of objects and a motherfucking crosshair. Because Deus Ex.

    Grid 2

    I like me some racing games, but I think the only ones I have ever been a proper fan of were NFS UNDRGRND 1, NFS Most Wanted and Dirt series. And I think Grid is a neat middleground between these. It’s tough to learn, higher speeds make you bite your lips and yet it offers a lot of similarities with streetracing.
    Good things: Visuals, stunning tracks, cars, voice acting – you know, the usual.
    Bad things: Tuning in here is pretty basic, but for some frustrating reason the camera and the view of the car is so bad, that you cannot fucking figure out how the car looks, so you give up. (Well, I did). Loading times are atrocious. Their selling point of “Fans system” is basically just experience level that affects jack shit. But hey, whatever, really, it is about racing and racing is what this game handled really well. For what it is.
    I could also use some soundtrack or at least music option, but since even NFS soundtracks suck ass lately, I am ok with the sound of an engine and “last lap theme”. It’s a neat idea.

    FTL

    You all know what it is so I won’t waste your time. I am just gonna say that I like the game very much, it is indeed addicting and not at all boring. It can get frustrating, but then again, getting to finale takes around 1:20, so it is a neat “waste-time-inbetween-stuff-game”. The amount of unlockable ships is pretty stunning, it seems that this game will have a replay-ability of everything great. Visuals work nice, as they are both cutsie, yet very dynamic – basically you get to see all you need to see while the game does not rob you of a “spectacle” of a space battle.

    Saints Row: The Third

    Again, most of you probably know The Saints and the way their kick ass, balls, police and this time even zombies, mutants and fucking space ship. Because hell yeah! If someone is interested about some details (because there is plenty of them), ask in comments, I will just say what makes this game not 10/10:
    GPS mechanic ruins the GTA feeling – a very minor complaint from a person who is a San Andreas lover. I fuck San Andreas on regular basis. I like that they wanted to make game easy to navigate, but when this happens, you never learn the city. I finished the game twice and I still don’t know where the fuck am I going. Drop me into woods in the middle of San Andreas with a bike and few bucks and I can take you everywhere, while meeting my girlfriends and buying you a dildo.
    Radio stations could have been better, but when it comes to comparison with GTA (which is fucking unfair btw, because except mechanics and style, these games should never be compared), you won’t top it anyway. But I would still like to see radio stations more enjoyable.
    Few of the main storyline quests are basically minigames – I get that the game wants to show you and teach you how to play them (you have to, in order to get the glammy 100%) but it is a cheap way.
    Difficulty seems to struggle with keeping up on what is supposed to be hard and what is supposed to be easy. While the game gets tougher and tougher as you progress, some of the missions in between these near-end missions are just jokingly easy. On the other hand (mind you, I played hardcore difficulty only), some of the minigames get awfully hard right from the start of the game.
    Story can get a bit confusing, but that’s maybe because I did not pay attention straight from the start. I just wanted to try the game and when it started throwing story into my face, I may have zoned out a bit. Shame, because despite what this game is, the story itself (well, at least the idea and motive of the story) is not bad at all.

    You are fucking welcome.

  • Spock Interrupted

    Dear E,
    I have a swelling on the tip of my penis, can I use “vaginal” cream to treat the infection?

  • Mark Bisone

    Yeah. Hey, maybe now that Google Glass died a merciful crib death they’ll turn the division into a defense contractor. Might not be much help in a rocket attack, but it’ll at least help the boys locate a Starbuck in sunny downtown Bayji.

  • Spock Interrupted

    Ooops!
    It seems i’ve sent my review of this channel to Elle’s advice column.
    Sorry about that.

  • tOmy`

    Ask Bones.

  • the_antithesis

    The difference between these two styles of gameplay is that Mario gives you a simple set of controls and the player must use this to explore the world while Call of Duty has a complicated set of controls which no one can be expected to know all the intricacies or be able to tell when a contextual prompt has been registered by the program without a cue of some kind.

    The reason for this divide is modern developers want to give players a more “cinematic” experience where players can do all sorts of cool shit but doing this as a toolbox that players can do themselves is hard to design, so they go the simpler route.

  • Sully

    Fingers crossed

  • LOL DID NOT READ!

    I’m joking. It will take time to read. Im at human revolution… *sigh* words

  • tOmy`

    I love game that I can get immersed into and that is exactly the reason why I hate Morrowind.

    It is too easy to immerse into. Gimme a new char and within few days, I realize I did not shower, eat, drink, meet friends, sleep with a super model and in the end, I still have to play just one more quest.

  • tOmy`

    Agree. Not only “hard”, but close to impossible. What, do you want a special button to get an eye cord, special button for using said eye cord to wrap it around creature’s neck and then special key-combo to strangle it with it?

    Let’s be realistic here.

  • Sully

    Complicated controls have nothing to do with pressing Ⓑ to “pay your respects” or to initiate a new cutscene. At this point it stops being a game and leaps into being a movie that’s a chore to watch.

    If developers want to add an immersive element to their games, they need to do so through the option of choice. The lack of options and the need to activate a prompt is little more than an “un-pause” button while watching a movie.

  • Mark Bisone

    Well… not much “useful” insight that is.

  • Alcatraz

    Yeah, that is one of their weak points. I think they do a pretty good job of trying to cover every genre at least.

  • JAGUART

    Fuck Mario.

  • NotRickBerman

    You realize I said “Minesweeper” and not “Masturbation” right?

  • kingrat2314

    What it’s like watching an episode of pre-rec:

    *Jack starts speaking*

    “Oh it’s a little quiet, let me turn the volume up.”

    *Rich starts speaking*

    “OH FUCK MY EARS!”

  • Brian Levine

    Hell, Zork was more immersive than Call of Duty. Can you imagine if Zork was like:

    “You have entered a small room”.
    > look down

    “You see a lamp on the floor. Type ‘take lamp’ to pick up the lamp.”
    > take lamp

    “You have the lamp. Type ‘light lamp’ to turn on the lamp.”

    Of course, the solution for modern games is to have some simple scenarios at the beginning of the story that prompt you for the different options, and then don’t do any prompting during the rest of the game. If you forget what to do, that’s your problem.

  • Jaws

    the story part of it is ok if it stays in the background, the cutscene movie portions suck ass. halo is a good game because ya basically just run around shooting shit….. and that is all i want to do… fuck kevin spacey

  • Percy Gryce

    Actually, I prefer my Hinman Collator.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    You know what’s immersive? Movies.

  • Sully

    Luigi?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Bob Hoskins?

  • dollar store cashier wife

    I feel like the only person on earth that liked Bulletstorm.I found the gunplay fun and for an FPS junkie like me that was enough to not mind shitty writting,corridor level design and so on.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    You make it good gay though.

  • Jaws

    Why Mario is Gayer than Call of Duty

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Mustache. Also why it’s better.

  • tjp77

    Jack has it perfectly backwards. It’s not that video game developers don’t realize they have a savvy audience now that games are so popular, it’s that game developers know EXACTLY who their audience is and need to dumb down a few points in order to give the game broad enough appeal in order to achieve wide distribution.

    My girlfriend enjoys video games, but she wouldn’t ever in a million years figure out to press the ‘X’ button on those screens unless prompted to do so. She’d likely get frustrated and not play anymore. That’s who they need to consider.

  • panzi

    Even if most players wouldn’t be intelligent enough to figure it out, what does it matter? If gamers get stuck for 5 minutes these days they just look up a walkthrough on YouTube or game faqs using their smart phone. Maybe game companies should sell game guides as smart phone apps?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    OK, as I said, I am not much of a gamer (or a playa), but if I allow my brain to take the discussion seriously, what would (and used to) break my enjoyment of a game were not as much button prompts, but rather tutorials explaining to you which buttons to use for what, done through characters in the game. If I get close to door and “Press X” appears, I can take that as a part of a meta-narrative and not break the immersion. If an old wise wizard tells me to “press SELECT, to go to your INVENTORY to select your WEAPON”, the in game world is sorta ruined for me.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Ah, fuck the kids today then, I had to have a magazine opened next to me and the shit in there worked like half he time.

  • Jaws

    the game guide used to be free, in the box that the game came in, you want us to pay extra for that now

  • Tomas Weissbeck

    THANK YOU! I’ve been noticing this for quite a while the trend you mention, even though I think at least some of those YouTube arseholes are migrating towards this comment forum.

    But yes, especially in this video, I was pleasantly surprised by how highly discerning and analytical Rich Evans really is, and in a way this taught me a lesson of not so surperficially judging content producers (i.e., thinking Rich is an idiotic clown just because he likes to amuse himself, his colleagues and us by acting so on occasion). Such sophisticated critique — do NOT CONFUSE sophistication with empty pretension, people –, filled of nuance and maturity, simply cannot appeal to such a wide audience (just as @disqus_PgZe8rCk78:disqus mentioned in her fine comment), and the same for the films and computer games created with such conceptions in mind.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Reading some of my posts, I might appear to be on a bit of a high horse in regards to gaming. I watch like a shitload of cartoons.

  • Bubs

    In my opinion, saying a game sucks because there are occasional button prompts is analogous to saying a movie sucks because the main character is named “Greg”. It’s just not that important. To claim otherwise, as Jack and Rich do in this video, is simply farcical clickbait shenanigans.

  • tOmy`

    Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    You think?!

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    What cartoons do you like? I like to watch the DC animated universe quite a bit, but other stuff also.

  • Bubs

    “they are not just applied sparely they are used constantly”

    You can’t just say this as a blanket statement. It’s like saying movies are too violent. Which movies? When? Who?

    Some games use them too much, some don’t use them enough. What the correct quantity is will be argued until Michael Bay makes a good movie (read: the end of time).

    You wouldn’t enjoy Dark Souls with button prompts anymore than some people might enjoy Assassin’s Creed 3 without button prompts. Button prompts are a stylistic decision. The director says “I want the game to be X difficult/easy.”

    At the end of the day, if you find a game has too many button prompts, consider that you are not the target audience.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Too adult for me:) Although I think I would get way easily into that, since I used to be the comic nerd (there’s like 5 of us in here). Right now, Gravity Falls, which is just genuinely great and Kristen Schaal is killing it as the little sister. Before that it was Rick and Morty, by Dan Harmon, I also really like Clone High.

  • Bubs

    So if it didn’t say “B to pay respects”, what would have happened? Jack woulda sat there like an asshole saying “Did the cutscene end? Is the game broken? What do I do now? Why did the game stop thinking for me?”

    He would have wandered around, trying to crouch in front of grieving family members or try to leave the funeral, pressing random buttons on the controller like a bored QA tester until he wandered into the pre-designated trigger box and pressed “B” at the right spot. Why would this have been better?

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    The newer DC cartoons are super adult (Seeing Wonder Woman drive her sword through a Shazam kid was a bit rough), but the older ones are quite fun.

    Gravity Falls looks adorable. I’m watching the shorts compilation now. Save the candy! Save the candy!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    It’s great and it’s horror themed also. Plus it has the “Lostiness” about it, where there are overarching mysteries and easter eggs.

  • RLMkeepitup

    I hate quick time button prompt events as much as anyone but you’re talking about teenagers – do they really buy a game for immersion? The money cod has pulled in speaks for itself. It’s the same reasons Marvel is making a bajillion dollars showing men in different colored robes do generic super power stunts.

  • Spock Interrupted

    pff
    Check your facts, It’s Helena 😉

  • cathax

    So your girlfriend is the kind of person who can’t figure out to smash her hand on a controller like a preschooler when she’s not specifically told what to do? It’s a video game, not a nuclear launch pad. Doing something wrong will only cause a death screen or absolutely nothing to happen.

    How can Smash Bros be so popular in a world where people are afraid to button mash? Not implying Smash is a masher, but the average child can figure out HITTING EVERY BUTTON is probably more conductive to staying alive in the fight than DOING NOTHING. Why would people be afraid to button mash? Are these people old enough to be housebroken? Is your girlfriend old enough to be housebroken??

  • Palpatine

    Speaking of cartoons, has anyone watched this guy’s reviews:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMysteriousMrEnter/featured

  • Palpatine

    I’m not a huge cartoon guy, but if I had to pick some, I’d say South Park is one my favorites. As far as cartoons for kids go, pre-movie SpongeBob is still pretty funny. I also find myself watching Nickelodeon cartoons from the 90’s such as Rugrats and Hey Arnold! quite a lot.

  • Spock Interrupted

    Arguable.
    Have you seen Apollo 18?

  • Red Skeleton

    Did you assholes just spoil Feeding Frensy for me? Aww, man, I might have actually paid money for that someday.

  • dreadlord

    Italian Spiserman full movie: https://vimeo.com/42254051
    it’s pure gold. Thank you Rich Evans.

  • Red Skeleton

    I’ve only just gotten around to watching this. Jack’s not (as) wrong about things this time around, but holy shit his bitching about cutscenes is absurd. I’ve not played Future Warfare, but I can tell you the cutscenes in Modern Warfare were the most interesting part of the game. Does he just hate stories, like, in everything? Does he prefer his movies to be just 90 minutes of shooting and tits? And God help him if Jack ever plays an MGS game.

  • Spock Interrupted

    God bless the internet.
    Thanks for the heads up, it’s hilarious!

  • Cream-A-Thon

    This is probably the one video game movie adaptation I like.

  • Cream-A-Thon

    Did focus groups request more paying respect? Will upgrades include pressing a button to ‘pick up buddies leftover shit’? How about ‘Press button to visit buddies widow, make some bad decisions over drinks, and then get in a car with a stranger going anywhere thats not here’? Signed, non-gamer.

  • tOmy`

    Yes. Now give me your lunch money.

  • tOmy`

    Okay, I am gonna be the one to spin this comment section out of control (I made a huge-ass on topic post and all I got was some racist cartoon laughing at me):

    I started watching Better Call Saul and quite frankly, this looks pretty great! I am, honestly, surprised.

  • ninja egyptologist

    Wait let me do the math again… People=Stupid. Teenagers ⊂ People. Teenagers=Stupid.

  • Mark Bisone
  • halycon

    you have this whole new medium, all kinds of new ways to tell stories and the way they end up doing it is just putting little movies in there. it’s regressive.

  • Mark Bisone

    Leaving aside the hew and cry in this post over whether or not video games should shove button commands in a player’s face, the business solution is simple. It reminds me of RLM’s ’13 Best of the Worst episode, when Jack was explaining how to change the aspect ratio on Len’s moon shot.

    Disabling a button prompt is the simple. The display of a prompt is a single flag in the program. It is literally the simplest programmatic fix in the world, requiring exactly 1 bit to be flipped after the player selects the “Prompts off” menu option.

    The fact so many apparently don’t include this simple fix makes me think it’s some kind of artistic decision. In other words, the designers and/or producers want the game to look that way. That makes sense; about twenty minutes of research showed me there are certain games that are advertised for their minimalistic HUDs and lack of prompts, with the stated goal of better drawing the player into the fiction. So there is clearly a market demand for the sort of experience Jack and Rich are describing, and therefore probably an alternate one that demands “Press B to do things” be shoved in their faces every 5 seconds. Affording players the option of turning that jazz off (at the cost of a single bit) seems like a good business decision to me. Even if the group who is turned off by “press B to lay a wreath” overlays is relatively small, including the option still increases marketibility and potential sales at virtually no production cost.

    Plus, the game will get the free publicity of Rich and Jack saying, “Now this is a game that got it right!”, followed by a bunch of Batman jokes.

  • Palpatine

    There should be a button prompt telling you how to turn off the button prompt. Press “A” to turn off the button prompt.

  • wondermint

    That would probably happen, but it would’nt be Jacks Fault. Even the good old Action-Button, that does open Doors, climb up Ladders, talks to NpC’s and so on, would be a better Choice. Of course there can’t be a Button for everything, like tOmy’ says, but this is just the most succesfull Games – designed the easiest Way possible.

  • Mark Bisone

    Press X to turn off “Press X” to turn off Press X to turn off “Press X” to…

    Oh, you dirty fucker.

  • Palpatine

    I pressed “X” to shop showing “X” above everything, but now the boss of the level keeps killing because I’m not pressing “X” at the right time, and the “X” isn’t showing up because I used the “X” button in the menu to stop showing the “X” above everything, but I don’t want the “X” to be above everything because it takes me out of the game experience! Guess that means I just have to press the “X” button at the right time.

  • Mark Bisone

    I think Jack’s problem was more “Why is this bullshit here in the first place?” There was no gaming involved in pressing a single button. And if the designers’ goal was to increase his emotional attachment to the plot, it failed as spectacularly as Tommy Wiseau’s death scene in The Room. I’ve “paid respects” to quite a few actual coffins in my life, and the “B to pay respects” prompt made me laugh pretty hard.

  • Mark Bisone

    Yes.

  • Flaw Filial

    I never quite figured out why Pre-Rec doesn’t gel with me.
    I guess the obvious reason would be that I hate video games, which Jack and Rich can’t be faulted for. (I’ll find a way to fault them,you mark my words.)
    Maybe it’s the editing. I’m no expert on editing (like, at all, seriously, don’t listen to me) but Mike and Jay ‘s editing seems a little more… seamless? (Again, I’m an idiot. Don’t even take my criticism with a grain of salt. Take it with a molecule of sugar.)
    Maybe it’s because Jack and Rich are still clarifying that they hate COD.
    Maybe it’s because they don’t have the banter Mike and Jay have. I’m not saying that Jack and Rich should be able to compete with Mike’s spontaneous brain farts and Jay ‘s timeliness, but Rich and Jack’s conversations never really seem to have much energy to them.
    And maybe I’m a little losses when they resort to hyperbolic clickbait. It gives me flashbacks to Cracked.com and I’m trying to get over that site, I really am.
    So… Jack, Rich, love ya both, but this show isn’t really my thing.
    I don’t have to watch it, though, so I’ll UNINSTALL IT! YOU BORING TWATS!

  • Palpatine

    I tried turning the button prompt back on, but all I got was this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmz-K2hLwSI

  • Mark Bisone

    Try pressing X to continue.

    If that doesn’t work, press Y to call up the “Press X to Continue” menu.

  • Palpatine

    I’ve tried everything, even unplugging my game system, but this hacker crap won’t go way. That’s it, I’m never playing a video game again!

  • It’s like looking into a mirror.

  • tOmy`

    [*whisper*] Come back to Cracked, we need you. “I tested drugs on animals. 5 insane things I have learned.” Come back to Cracked, we need you. Everything is in a neat list. [*whisper*]

  • Palpatine

    Have you lost any weight since then?

  • tOmy`

    As I said in my previous long banter: Deus Ex went for that option. It justifies the use of prompts (retinal implants, actually tied to the story – praise Deus Ex), including highlight of objects etc.
    If you go hardcore mode tho (called Give Me Deus Ex – praise Deus Ex for this as well) it shuts it all down. Just you, the game and fuckload of shit in every room that you have to scope millimeter by millimeter. And it removes your crosshair, because the game wants you to hate it.

    (You can turn all these on / off in settings, it’s just the hardcore mode got it by default.)

    (Praise Deus Ex)

  • tOmy`

    Wanna talk cartoons, then? I like Powerpuff Girls.

    *sigh*

  • Jay Stein

    well said..

  • Hey. I did read all you wrote. I was making a remark on the lenght of the post. I just don’t know what to say I havent played any of thoe games.

  • Plenty. My chin has muscles now.

  • Aaah. Clone High. Love it.

  • Mark Bisone

    – Press A to fall down a mine shaft.

    – Press B to tell Natalie Portman to shut her face,

  • Never seen it. I like DouchebagChocolat’s channel.

  • Palpatine

    I just went to that channel and WTF?!

  • See a few clips, the thumbsnails are misleading. He has a spark of that RLM cynicism which we all like.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    I always liked Doug. I don’t remember anything from the show, but I loved the opening song. I lived for Ren & Stimpy, too. Never saw Hey, Arnold!, but remember Rugrats fondly.

  • Jay Stein

    Review Wolfenstein New Order or RAGE or something…

  • Palpatine
  • Jaws
  • anneberry

    Something like Portal did a pretty good job introducing you to the controls (probably because there are so few) that didn’t take you out of the game very much. I think how a game introduces you to your controls and then has you put them to muscle memory early on is really important. That should happen within the first few levels, then get those control commands the hell out of there. The Arkham example was perfect. You don’t need to illuminate that grate, and you don’t need to tell us how to open it the first time, not to mention the 200th time.

  • Muthsarah

    ” I’ve not played Future Warfare, but I can tell you the cutscenes in Modern Warfare were the most interesting part of the game”

    Is this supposed to read as a damning indictment of the boringfulness of the game? Games are supposed to be games first and “interactive stories” second-at-best. If you want cut scenes first-and-foremost, just watch movies, they’ll do ya far better.

  • Warlord X

    I didn’t know people actually still played Call of Duty campaigns. I thought they were just thrown there as a bone to kids whose parents wouldn’t buy them Xbox Live or whatever. I kind of agree with Jack, but Guitar Hero/Rock Band is a great example of a game based solely on button prompts but is still awesome with other people.

  • HeftyJo

    Middle Earth; Shadows of Mordor is a lot like Batman Arkam and Assassins Creed in fight dynamics. But the Nemesis system just takes the game to another level in that the bosses you fight are dynamically altered to how you play the game.

  • Jaws

    i can think of no problem with 90 minutes of shooting and tits

  • Jaws

    what would help is them speaking over appropriate game footage and show more rather than tell

  • ogawaburukku

    I think I have lost interest in games simply because the challenge or the reward system has totally gone down the drain. I hate button prompts in story games, and I’m glad they made mention of Resident Evil 4 because that was the worst for me. When there is a cut scene, I feel it is a reward for my hard work and I want to sit back and enjoy it, not keep alert for sudden button prompts. I also hate fighting games letting you unlock things without much trouble, and how they kind of skip story modes in a lot of them these days. I think that goes with the button prompt thing because it’s the game just handing me rewards without effort or challenge.

    But I do think I understand where button prompts came from. It’s now a less immersive experience and more Choose Your Own Adventure, offering a more cinematic experience because the game walks you through the process based on if you properly did the prompt or not. In doing that, it has become an interactive movie and less a game, though.

    There are some games where I don’t mind so much, like in Silent Hill or something that is riddled with mysteries or atmosphere, but a more action-based game shouldn’t have to spoonfeed you the details. I find these days I just get bored playing games that tell me what buttons to push and when, and I end up playing really simple games or low-action games. Or I just don’t play at all these days.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    yeah is the same production company that does Danger 5.

  • WhatPlanetAmIOn

    Pre-Rec doesn’t really work for me. Jack and Rich do not have a lot of knowledge about games and gaming industry, yet they try to be all edgy and hipstery. “New is bad, popular is stupid and old is betterer.” Really?
    Even when you can be very insightful about stuff (which is not the case here), you better not treat yourself and points you make too seriosly.
    Overall, no comedic value, uninteresting discussion and boring editing.
    Yawn.

    EDIT: The streams are good, but that’s because there’s sometimes Jay in them.

  • Red Skeleton

    That’s awfully cynical of you. (Although actually yeah, the campaign-mode gameplay in MW was never that great) BUT my point was the storyline was just that well done. Developers have been trying to make their games cinematic for some time now and when it’s done right I think it enhances the experience. When it’s done wrong it turns into Metal Gear LOLid. I mean take Shadow of the Colossus. Minimalist plot, great (and iirc mostly skippable cutscenes). At the end you get to Press X to Delay the Inevitable. What’s Jack going to say to about that pat of the game? “What? You mean I gotta get sucked into a hole in order to watch the ending cutscene I’m clearly not interested in watching!? LAAAME”

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i love a good toon.
    Archer, Ren and Stimpy, South Park, old Simpsons and Futurama(new stuff is a bit Meh.) Drawn Together, lotsa stuff.

  • omitted

    Get off that horse cock!

  • omitted

    After Hours is the only good thing to come out of my crack Cracked.

  • Joe

    I liked this video, and it’s good you acknowledge the clickbait motivations of it’s titling. (Though it would be ideal if you didn’t have to resort to such titles)

    In my opinion it’s not spreadsheets that are guiding these button press choices, nor is it that they think we are that stupid, but it’s simply that they want everybody to play their game. If a player doesn’t know how to proceed in a game they can get frustrated and give up (this is particularly bad if you have a big franchise and don’t want your players to give up on the franchise).

    If a player is like us, and doesn’t like button presses prompts and messages, seeing a button press will annoy them, but they are more likely to keep playing than if they don’t know how to proceed. It’s a choice to maximize your consumer base, and frustration on how not knowing how to proceed is a bigger hindrance to that base than annoying others who will still keep playing.

    This also doesn’t consider the much younger demographics who might be used to such prompts so that they “don’t notice” them. Sure it is probably hurting their immersion too, but they aren’t upset about it because they are expecting it.

    Finally you have to consider “Baby’s First Call of Duty” for somebody out there this game is going to be the first game they ever played and for the game to not frustrate that player you need to be super hand-holding. These are also the people who are not going to know how to adjust options and occasionally games have option settings that allow level of HUD reduction which can extend to button prompts.

    All this said it is an annoying trend, and more games should at least have options to turn off these annoying prompts and not integrate them so poorly into their games.

    I do have a bit of a thought experiment for you, and I do not want it to sound at all confrontational so I hope you take it that way:
    -Clickbait titles are something which can annoy people, they are obviously manipulative and that can be somewhat annoying/insulting to people, but avid RLM fans like myself are going to overlook this minor annoyance and still watch the video, while more susceptible to clickbait folks might be drawn to watch this video where they wouldn’t have otherwise done so in the past. So with a Clickbait title you are making your content appeal to more people while annoying some people.

    This accessibility vs annoyance trade-off could be compared with button-prompts, couldn’t it? So is it ok to condemn one but employ the other?

    It is good that you acknowledge the clickbait thing, but wouldn’t it be preferable to not employ it? It’s just something to think about.

    With all that said, I’m just some asshole on the internet, and it’s not even like I disagree, or am upset because I enjoy your videos and am grateful for the content. I guess it’s just instinct to be disagreeable on the internet, or maybe that comments like “great video, keep up the good work” seem so unoriginal as to not even be worth posting whereas disagreement can prompt much more words.

    But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again “great video, keep up the good work”, I hope my feedback and question doesn’t distract too much from that.

  • alexduran

    These guys are saying what a lot of people are thinking. Whenever I see the ‘press this button’ text come up in a game and then the game does all the work for me I hate it. One game that people raved about (Last of Us) has a shit ton of that. Ugh. I don’t want to click one button and watch the game play itself.

  • alexduran

    Press one button that the game tells you to on the screen, watch the game play itself. Last of Us.

  • Joe

    This is a good point, and yes from programming it would be easy. And for a lot of games it would work, but some games like CoD are designed heavily around button prompts, and unless it’s “funeral simulator” you probably aren’t going to have a button dedicated to paying respects that the player can learn and not be prompted on screen. This then means you have to decide in advance if it’s just going to be “press the action button to do everything” or delegate out different buttons based on themes or limbs involved (Is now having a vision of an OctoDad funeral simulator)

    So it would get slippery if R1 is always “yank” but not “kick”, and button mapping it’s it’s own issue, your fix would work for a lot of games, just not games with elaborate or hyper-specific tasks that want to require such buttons, those games are by design kind forced into the button prompt corner, which admittedly is a bad design choice.

  • Joe

    Or every game could open with somebody throwing a baseball at your head and then a QTE to dodge it. And then if you don’t dodge it and it smacks you in the head an NPC will say “Ah, it looks like you don’t like button prompts, we’ll turn those off for you”.

  • alexduran

    Sonic was annoying for all the reasons they mentioned. Impossible reaction times, the speed ended up being as gimmicky as the word “blast processing”. Sonic was ok but boring after a while and definitely shouldn’t have been put close to anywhere near Mario in terms of legacy or quality.

  • alexduran

    The only thing holding Rich and Jack back with these videos is that younger games won’t understand where they are coming from as they missed out on these earlier generations of games. Simply less history/knowledge of the way games were to how they are now. Not the new gen’s fault, if you weren’t around then you weren’t around then. I tried to show some Super Nintendo games to my friend’s kid, they had about 1.5 minutes of interest and thought the games were just old. This is not a crowd that would understand Jack and Rich, but I’m sure they all watch pewdiepie.

  • Red Skeleton

    So I decided to try this Megaman game you guys are always displaying in the background. I put in the game and after the title came up it immediately went “Press Start”.
    Seriously, button prompts already?!
    It just took me out of the game so I shut it off.
    You owe me 5 bucks.

  • Joe

    I want to upvote because I like a thorough and thoughtful post, but I want to downvote because you gave something 28/10.

    The 10/10 system is a good system, and it has a number for a game that is perfect, and it’s 10. If you’ve already corrupted your grading curve so that giving something a 10 isn’t high enough to convey your enthusiasm then that SIN IS YOURS ALONE.

    I’ll go with the upvote though so you know that there is some self-satire in the above statement. But it is a pet peeve of mine, if we grade outside the 0-10 then none of our numbers mean anything. I will say that I really hope there is never a scenario where you get into see the doctor before me because you said your pain is a 28/10 and I say my pain is only a 7, because I put thought into maintaining a uncorrupted grading curve.

  • alexduran

    ‘Jack and Rich do not have a lot of knowledge about games’, except that they do. I would argue they have more knowledge than your average gamer today who has no history with the previous generations of games. You could make an argument for them not knowing the back end industry of gaming as well however, but how many people who don’t work in the industry really know how it is other than speculating or reading an article here and there? Going to E3 doesn’t make one an expert on how things operate behind the curtain either.

  • tOmy`

    I like some of their writers, their humor is great. It lacks a lot lately, but there are some neat “new” articles (I think they started this trend like a year, maybe two ago) with people talking about their crazy / unique / interesting jobs. Mostly dark stuff, but hey.

  • Mojo

    you don’t play game, game plays you!

  • Joe

    Seems like there are like 10-20 RLM disqus commentors who all seem to know each other, yet I don’t really recognize most of you. Am I not paying enough attention? How do I join the RLM disqus council of elders? Do you guys have parties? Is Len there?

  • Joe

    I think it got a nod for Make-up, because all George Lucas did when writing was make up bullshit?

  • tOmy`

    My own spin on how this discussion should have gone:
    “Look, I get it, button prompts are there for a very special reason: Young generation or new players will have problems figuring this shit out. Especially if it is a complicated game. What I don’t understand is, that you have to have button prompts for FPS shooter, telling you to “jump now”. Like, the button is right there in the settings. That’s a bit too much.”
    “Yes, I completely agree, but do you remember the classic times? For example Half Life? The game threw you in, without any bullshit around. It was you, Black Mesa and quite incredible amount of people, aliens and things trying to either turn you into Gordoff or take the Free out of your Man.”
    “EHEHEHEHE. Nice joke. You are a very smart person. Anyways, what I have to say is: Half Life did have an optional tutorial, handled in the best way possible, that told you what to do in order to navigate through obstacles later presented in the game.”
    “True. So can we agree on this: Button prompts are a bit annoying, but sometimes necessary. If a lot of people had problems with them, they would change that shit around – after all, lately, the gaming industry is all about target market. But some games need them. For example there are buttons that do one thing and at few instances in game, it does something else – therefore you will not find it in settings and you need a bit of a guide. Sure, that may be faulty planning, but let’s not get carried away. You remember as you said in the discussion: “Everyone plays games now. Why do they expect us to be this dumb?””
    “Yea, that was one hell of a retarded statement, absolutely impossible to back-up with any real gaming-industry related statistics. And I absolutely did not notice the irony in what I was saying: The more people play games, the more the games need to hit that “average”, so everyone can enjoy the leisure. It’s not like we are talking about RPGs or Indie industry or hardcore games, right?”
    “True dat.”

  • Joe

    This is the internet, nobody has any useful insight.

  • tOmy`

    DE was supposed to put the “hard” back into “hardcore”. Their use of visual clues, button prompts etc. therefore had to be justified in the modern era of gaming. Therefore, they did a trick with (as I said) retinal implants, that allow you to “see” HUD / ammo count, etc.

    When EMP goes off in your proximity, your HUD / ammo / crosshair starts to wiggle, shuts down and then turns into “reloading…”, “restarting..” messages and your crosshair gets lost as well. Now that’s what you call a fucking good idea.

  • Joe

    Maybe that’s why everybody takes their helmets off in science fiction movies, it’s not so that the viewers can see the actor’s faces, it’s so that the characters don’t have to deal with their over cluttered HUDs.

  • tOmy`

    Bow down to your new god, then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq5KWLqUewc

    This game will burst your bubble about “intelligent stuff” in games.
    (This joke was sponsored by my utter need to somehow keep on with the “Gungans (gungas?) live in the uderwater bubble city” humor)

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    He heeey!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Len is a rare delicacy that only shows up from time to time to drop knowledge. And you join by turning your back on all relatives and significant others and embracing just typing bullshit most of the time.

  • tOmy`

    I find even the multiplayer utterly boring (but hey, I was born and raised on hours of Q3A and as I mentioned before, spent last 15 years playing UT99.)

  • tOmy`

    Also: Keyboard + mouse > consoles. And: Dota 2 > LOL (or the other way around, I seriously don’t care, just start arguing, people, because I am bored)

  • Joe

    Thunderpants 2: Tropic Thunderpants
    Thunderpants 2: Days of Thunderpants
    Thunderpants 2: Electric Boogaloo

  • Kokoro Wish

    Yes, believe it or not, alot of people playing games, even long time gamers ARE that stupid and cannot figure things out for themselves.

    Watch any of the Valve developer commentaries of, say, Portal. Look at how much shit had to be cut from the game just to makes sure people didn’t get lost or be unable to figure out basic things.

    It’s ALOT.

  • Jaws

    this show feels like a script-meeting, about what will be on the show.

  • tOmy`

    I think that the only valid example was “Press X to pay respects”.

    Now that shit was hilarious.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    it is strange that so many people post on Pre-Rec that…
    “I hate you for not liking my favorite games!”
    This is two mens OPINIONS!
    live with it or fuck off!

  • tOmy`

    It’s called gamer’s mentality.

  • tOmy`

    I wanted to go for either: 20/27 or 20/12 reference, but noone would get it, so I said: screw it.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    I have been playing games since 1983.
    Tabletop Space Invaders, C-64, NES, XT-PC, SNES, PS1. I own a 1st gen GameBoy to this day. i always considered myself a gamer, then weird GamerGate RapeFans, took over. me out.

  • tOmy`

    I found it kinda fun, from time to time, to some degree. It’s not that I hated it, it was just massively disappointing in accordance to what was I expecting from the game to be.

    If I did not jump on the hype train (which was stupid, because I did it with all previous UT games, Unreal 2 and now I am excited about UT4), I would prolly like the game much, much more.

    It’s not bad at all. I am just biased.

  • tOmy`

    ROFL IT WAS ABOUT ETHICS IN GAMING JOURNALISM LOL #FUCKEMMAWATSON LOL ROFL.

    nab.

  • tOmy`

    There is actually a way “around” the whole “press X” mechanism and a lot of games pull this off: When you get close to an object that you can use / manipulate with, it just shows a small window “Use”. Now if you don’t know which key is binded to “use”, then you can go back to Candy Crush.

    I find “press this button to do this” annoying, I don’t mind the above option. This issue is far from black and white anyway.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    irony is sometimes hard to define. GamerGate made a perfect definition of the term. the fact that they dont get the joke only makes it funnier.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Why, why always the poor Alot. I like the guy.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I think the backlash would be even worse if they LIKED Call of Duty.

  • tOmy`

    I always said one thing: Keep. Politics. And. Social. Issues. Away. From. Art. For. Fuck. Sakes.

    Because when you start digging into it in these ways, it always goes wrong. Now all we have are bunch of modern feminists bitching about games, while oldschool, proper feminists (you know, that whole middle-east and acid burns kinda girls, whom I respect) are telling the modern feminists to shut it and stop acting like bimbos.

    All I wanted was to play a game, tho.

    (I did use the term “bitching” intentionally. It doesn’t matter whether you are a girl or a boy, if you “bitch”, you “bitch”.)

  • Andrew Thompson.

    its a bajillion times better than the ‘Battlefield.’ engine.

  • tOmy`

    The first statement was meant to be: Don’t look for problems where they ain’t, just to create them, so you can talk about them.

    In no way I was trying to say that we should not talk about social implications of art.

  • tOmy`

    Who gives a fuck anyway. It’s fun to trash these games, just as much it is fun to trash Transformers. Will it help tho? Transformers 5 begs to differ.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    art is the definition of social commentary.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I cannot speak upon that matter, for I am in the knowledge of exactly fuck all about both of those

  • tOmy`

    Yea, that’s why I wanted to “edit” what I said. For example:

    It is ok for me to talk about what is wrong with 50 Shades of Grey, both from book publishing world and the social issue it raises.

    It is plain stupid to take banners into streets saying it promotes rape culture just because I lately ain’t getting any.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    it can beg all it wants. its going to put the lotion on its chassis or else it gets the hose again!

  • Sully

    Makes sense. I’ll allow it.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    its more a Victim Culture. man or woman the west all want to be victims.

  • tOmy`

    You can call Battlefield more “grown up” I guess. But it’s the same schlock, just different kinda grey (literally).

    The old games (CoD 1 and 2, Battlefield 2) are still considered one of the better games by most till this very day tho.

  • tOmy`

    “Oh, look, that poor poor girl in the porn industry! It’s the MAN who made her do it, it’s sooo horrible, she does not have a choice, it is so humiliating! We would like to help her, so we are gonna overthrow this patriarchy!!!!!!”

    Interview with a pornstar:

    “Yea, well I have a degree, but I love dick, you see.”

  • Andrew Thompson.

    shit if i could get $5,000 a time for people to watch me fuck i would totally do that….
    sadly no one wants that…

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    80s, San Fran, because tickly BJ is great.

  • Sully

    Battlefield: Bad Company 2, imho, is the greatest online FPS motherfucking EVER!!
    I’ve never had more fun playing an FPS than I did playing that game. Just epic on every level.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    REALLY? so Spawn PointKill em all. is your idea of FPS.
    fine whatever…

  • Jaws

    pretty hard to do that when we paint napolean striking a pose on a stallion, or even the sistine chapel, or david hasslehoff singing on top of the berlin wall, art represents all things, it should say something, or it says nothing at all,

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Bloody Roar 2, I loved that game. Am I cool now? Can I get my lunch money? Guys?

  • Cccactus

    Pre-Rec is funny, but not for the reason it’s supposed to be.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    no! i need it for booze!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Aw, shucksy daisy!

  • Sully

    I never had that issue with the game. It did however get rid of the camper issue that’s so endemic to these types of games.

    Asshole in the attic holding a flag point, level the fucking house.

    Plus the bullet drop made sniping an artform instead of a bitch noob tactic.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    ok. for comment 555 lets change tac.
    Who used to drink at a bar that has a song about it?
    As a young lad i spent many hours drunk At the Dorset Gardens.
    i never knew this song was about it till recently.

    http://youtu.be/YGhhbB0Eook

    i thought it was about dildos and MILF’s
    maybe its both.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i got to say i was ALWAYS sniper.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    shucking oysters is more lucrative.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Not really. Saw a corpse yesterday on my street though. Does it count?

  • tOmy`

    Guys, Imma let you finish, but UT has the best snipers ever:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs57PUxpOkY

  • tOmy`

    Sorry, already spent it on hair-plugs.

  • Sully

    Yeah, recon was my shit. There were some maps in that game where you could take guys out beyond the scope via spotters. So beautiful to see that bullet arching towards the horizon then BAM… kill shot.
    You don’t get that rush from straight shot games like COD.

    The only real spawn kill issue was when you’d push another team back into their main base and then just took’em out as they tried to leave, but once the map had hit that point, it was usually already game over for the other team anyway, and they earned that ass beating because they sucked so hard.

    (I’m aware that last paragraph was loaded with Omitted bait, but oh well.)

  • Tim Hendrix

    What’s the song at the end?

  • Sully

    “Long shots” ≠ “Sniper”

    It doesn’t really count if you auto hit anything that falls in your crosshairs. There’s actual skill involved in Battlefield. You may have to lay your crosshairs half a screen above an enemies head to pick them off 3/4 of a mile away because of the bullet drop.

    Battlefield = best in-game sniping.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijel68wofBM

  • Andrew Thompson.

    was it me!?
    no really. do you not have a local music scene that loveshates the local music venues.

    http://youtu.be/WDCLIYUqTXE

  • Milton Dammers

    My problem is that it’s all done in a flat shot-reverse-shot.

    You know, like in the prequels.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    shit even Amanda Palmer makes songs referencing Melbourne Pubs.

    http://youtu.be/Bh9Ker4z2Zg

    the Esspy kicks arse! and just around the corner is the Prince of Wales. where i shot the last ever roll of 35mm film i ever bought.

    https://scontent-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10391501_101389653213175_7068424_n.jpg?oh=8cfe60df4e023c953e83393bec2b31b0&oe=554D104C

  • RLMkeepitup

    The original 3 silent hill games didn’t have many prompts from what I recall. That was half the challenge – not knowing what to pick up and where. Or what to combine to make something work. I guess that’s boring to some, so maybe it’s all just opinion in the end. Simple is always better but now media feels like it has to be artificially grand to out sell itself :

  • fred

    More like fanboyism.

  • RLMkeepitup

    I didn’t say they were stupid, although I feel a lot more intelligent in my late 20s than when I was 13. I think those games are more a thrill ride than some deep experience and that being immersed is kinda a synonym of engrossed, which just means satisfied.

  • ogawaburukku

    Now that I think about it, maybe the original three (the only ones that matter, imho) SH games didn’t have that many prompts. I think there were a few since I remember getting the “bad ending” a few times but I don’t ever remember them bringing the game to a screeching halt like they did in Resident Evil 4. I remember having to do a lot of problem solving in the SH games, which is what I loved about them.

    Honestly, I long for the days when game makers would put the instructions in the booklet on what buttons mean what and just leave it at that. When I want to completely shut off my brain, I’ll just watch a movie.

  • RLMkeepitup

    Agreed, nothing in the series has topped it and it was a blast with friends.

  • tOmy`

    Yea, I played a lot of BF, it is a great game and I completely agree. It’s just a different kind of skill. (The video I posted is rather outdated, most of the shit pictured there is current “standard” of good players. Some fuckers now hit 40% acc per match. I’ll let that statistic sink in.)

    Most of UT players are quite aware about how overpowered our sniper is = rate of fire is fast, damage is big, after 10+ years, people got awfully good with it. It’s not such a big of a deal in Sniper Arena (as portrayed in the vid), but with all weapons enabled, the game tends to give certain advantages to snipers (on certain maps) that can be very hard to counter for weak players.

    I love more conventional snipers ofc, especially in normal / realistic games. Sniper in UT is just like everything in that game = super fast, in your face attitude. To put it simply: UT itself is simply not designed for “normal sniper rifle”, as the game pace would simply render it useless. For that, we have mid-air rockets. They are slower than in Q3A, so hitting it is harder = more awesome.

    P.S.: That show was sick btw.

  • dollar store cashier wife
  • tOmy`

    3234!

  • NotRickBerman

    These guys are just pawns.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    who knows… but this was an official concert for my country’s Bicentennial…

    is this wrong?

    http://youtu.be/i_py6WbMV1k

  • NotRickBerman

    Yeah but the hotel room fees are…

    oh, you said SHUCKING oysters.

  • mister man

    You’re an idiot if you play CoD for the single player story. The single player is basically an extended tutorial.

  • Sully

    I played UT a lot in the 90s and early 2000s, but haven’t played it in ages. Run and Gun-style gameplay hasn’t ever really been my thing.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    Games should be Darwinian.
    the week should die and the smart be challenged.
    otherwise it is figuratively harming the whole human race.

  • tOmy`

    I think you would be surprised with amount of sick stuff happening lately in the scene. Everyone is still somehow getting better and better.

    Top tier CTF matches (2 years back) were one of the most amazing teamplay-heavy matches ever.

    But I totally got you – it’s an oldschool arena shooter, nothing more. We just enhanced it with mods, gameplay, teamplay and skill. But it is, unfortunately, finally dying. But hey, 15 years strong is still 15 years strong.

  • Sully

    Cinema should follow this same path… and books… and cleaning products… and automobiles… and hot coffee.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    “Caution Contents May be Hot!” i paid $5 for it it had better be hot!

  • tOmy`

    Ladies and gentlemen, it was a pleasure serving under you. I am off to have a prolonged discussion with my therapist about advantages of mixing booze and prescription pills.

    The Top 10 global recording artists of 2014 are:

    Taylor Swift
    One Direction
    Ed Sheeran
    Coldplay
    AC/DC
    Michael Jackson
    Pink Floyd
    Sam Smith
    Katy Perry

  • tOmy`

    Also known as:

    Who?
    WHY?
    Who?
    I… I will pretend that didn’t happen.
    What?
    Really?
    Nice!
    Who?
    Why?

  • Sully

    Michael Jackson’s still recording music? Damn. Even in hell his productivity is dwarfing mine.

  • tOmy`

    There is a pedophile joke in there somewhere. And I am not sure I wanna go there.

  • tOmy`

    RLM Comments: Helpful as always.

  • tOmy`

    Well, I was thinking about giving it a go, while being drunk and high. Just for the visuals, you know, take it as a movie. Could be good I guess.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    It should have been just a title screen with no prompting, so we could immerse ourselves by having to figure out on our own which button to press to start the game. Terrible game design.

    Mega Man 0/10 unsubscribed.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    What do you mean “still are” by Taylor Swift? Also, my girlfriend likes her music, because she “looks gorgeous”. Are we,,what..huh?

  • beurbs

    weak and smart aren’t always mutually exclusive.

  • beurbs

    the reason CoD is less immersive is that you don’t get to play the fucking game

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Well, that’s a bummer.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Oh, sure “hair” plugs.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am not gonna pretend to stay on topic, but, to do so just a little bit, favourite/best worst videogame based movies?

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    I’ll do it, then.

    What’s the difference between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson?

    Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.

    Michael Jackson was a pedophile.

    See? Was that so hard?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    It is now. (Flawless)

  • tOmy`

    I don’t think I recall any movie based on a videogame that didn’t suck mouse cord. Except Final Fantasy: Advent Children. So i guess that’s the one.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Haven’t seen that one,I am told you have to know the plot of the game to get it. I did see the first FF movie though and remember being utterly bored as a kid.

  • tOmy`

    I don’t think you need to know the plot of the game to get it. And even if you don’t get it all, it is still pretty impressive movie.

    And yea, Spirit Within was… uhm.

  • Palpatine

    Tay Sway!

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Prince of Persia:Sands of Time.Because it was the most tolerable(still waiting for the day we get a truly good movie based off a vidya gaem)

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Half in the Bag: Resident Evil.

  • Now I Get It

    I’m getting pretty sick of these public allegations.

    Can you prove the moon landing wasn’t hoax?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    They were just two guys with opinions, who came up with Previously Recorded to break into show business…

  • Flaw Filial

    By the way– HI, GUYS!
    I’m feeling recharged. My head is clearer, I have more energy and mumblemumble Idroppedschoolforthesemester mumblemumble.
    I saw the new Best of the Worst and it was excellent.
    I saw the new Pre-Rec and it was a new Pre-Rec.
    I’ve been keeping up with Jay’s vlogs and, let me tell you, his earnest plea for equal gender pay left me in tears. Sorry, Patricia Arquette– you’ve been upstaged by a mere mortal who WASN’T in Boyhood!
    Anyway… does anyone have any good movie recommendations? I’m ready to feel, like, emotion again.

  • Now I Get It

    Darling, Michael was more man than you’ll ever be, and more woman than you’ll ever get.
    – “Flawless”

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I’m behind on Jay’s Vlogs and your blog because I’ve been stuck in this hellhole for three weeks now.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    I heard the Astronauts found some bones on the moon, even!

    I guess the cow didn’t make it.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I thought so. How much did you get for this plug?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Well, yeah. I see your point. Never bothered me personally, though.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    I would like to recommend Horns and Filth. Both movies have “good guy” actors who flip their own stereotypes and play absolute assholes in these movies. They’re not exciting or ‘breaking-ground’ plots, but they are fun character-driven movies.

    Glad you’re back, by the way 😀

  • Palpatine

    I know the Oscars are over and all, but I just had to make this:
    http://i.imgur.com/VIzKMVS.png?1

  • dollar store cashier wife

    some amazing ms paint skills you got there palpy

  • its called bleach

    apologize for taking away 1000 comments or whatever that one time you fuck

  • Bubs

    Everyone knows that Stanley Kubrick filmed Michael Jackson’s pedophile shenanigans in a Hollywood Backlot. Wait… what?

  • Bubs

    I agree. But as Quark would say, “Where is the profit?”

  • Bubs

    There are easier ways. Haven’t they ever heard of porn?

  • Sully

    Did that take you 12 years to make?

  • Palpatine

    A masterpiece of flawlessness, huh?

  • Palpatine

    More like twelve minutes. Beat that Linklater!

  • RLMkeepitup

    I assume you mean Mortal Kombat Annihilation? Because the first film is like Citizen Kane in comparison.

  • Sully

    Beating Linklater is like kicking a Retard Baby, WHICH, btw, will be a much better movie, imho.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Mmmmmmmmmmmm, very poignant.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Let me think………………..

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    No, I meant I like the first one, actually.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    (loading thoughts)

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Under me? When were you… over me?
    (Hm, that doesn’t work quite as well when reversed like this. :x)

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Good for him.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    The gall to market that under the Final Fantasy brand still makes me grind my teeth.
    As much as I hate post-Squaresoft FF, at least it was all theoretically roleplayinggame-like
    (as opposed to… how would you even classify that film?? a pretentious scifi firstpersonshooter? *flips table*).

  • Sully

    The first Silent Hill film.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Hey, glad to see you back, man. I will think about the recommendations.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell
  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Under? I barely knew her! (Let’s share the awkwardness)

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I guess it would be Mortal Kombat for me too (mostly because of Lambert-Raiden and Johnny Cage), but I’d really only give it about a 7/10.
    Worst is Silent Hill Revelations, about Silent Hill (2006) probably hurt me more… because I still had hope at the time.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Lambert was great in it. I have heard that the second Silent Hill is so bad it’s good. I think Jim Sterling (oh yeah, I know who that is) said so somewhere.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Alternate thought-loading graphic for the non-insane (which I am not… non): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O-TJENe7a4

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Do you have some Commodore there?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I don’t know. It hurt my brain… There was a decent 3D effect on a pane of glass at one point though.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    It has me curious, because of Malcolm Mcdowell

  • RLMkeepitup

    Jim was pretty spot on. It’s really bad even in comparison to the first movie.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell
  • LukasTheTapeworm

    (exhales)

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    White noise, make the bad thoughts go away. :3

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Don’t follow Malcolm Mcdowell down any rabbit-holes…

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I’m channeling Friends episodes. Don’t look at me. Don’t look at me!!

  • In The Court Of The Evans King
  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Ohhh..my..GOD!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    It’s always such a thrill to get to play something while it’s still embedded.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    My eyes! My EYES!!

    (See now you’re just making me think of more of them.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRclDOGstKw

  • omitted

    *bedded

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I was just listening to this song and thought about you and Jay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIKO4YIzp-o

  • omitted

    What kind of a sick bastard would want hair on their plugs?

  • Bubs

    Horns and Filth? You KNOW it’s gonna be a good night!

    Wait… those are movies?

  • LukasTheTapeworm
  • tOmy`

    But Gaia! And social messages. And blue indian ali-

    Oh, that was a different movie.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Not that much.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    “Get em my bed, Jay!”
    “No. There were be no em-bedding. EVER AGAIN.”

    (single tear)

  • tOmy`

    The horrible truth about Friends is that you can watch them all the time. Laugh. Love. Cry. They will never go away. They cannot be undone.

    Speaking of which, I think Czech TV has them on like everyday, preferably 8 episodes per hour. All. Year. Long.

    *clap clap clap clap*

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    You’re thinking of Czech AND Slovakian TV.

  • omitted

    I always hope for some Jay in me. And the streams. Latter even occasionally comes true.

  • tOmy`

    We do have awesome dubbing for it tho. This is probably the only show that makes me stop upon passing TV when heading for kitchen. Watch 5 minutes. Laugh. Proceed to make another coffee.

    Also MASH.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Like them or hate them, sitcoms are like a worm in the brain.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Ewwwww. Brain.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Well, for one thing, our M.A.S.H had no laugh track at least.

  • tOmy`

    Surez. I think I have seen the whole show twice (like, you know, in row… every day few episodes…).

    But I was tough when my ex told me if I wanna see the new version with like 22 seconds of previously cut material per episode. I firmly said: “NO!”

    But my heart said: “No worries, you can always check it on youtube…”

  • tOmy`

    Christ, now I wanna watch it. Bad worm, bad!

  • tOmy`

    (It had in original version. I was very shocked to discover it.)

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Actually, worms are good for you, you are all just brainwashed by Big Pharma. Come on, eat that raw meat. Wash less. Good…goood….

  • omitted

    Okay, since the Oscar madness Disqus has refused to prompt me about new comments on an open window (you know those little blue things, no, not the pills Tapey). Have I forgotten to make my monthly blood sacrifice or does this concern everyone?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I know, right.

  • tOmy`

    *patiently waits for Omie”

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I don’t really have that problem (no, not with the blue pills, Omi).

  • tOmy`

    I hated that movie. Was one of the two I almost walked out on in cinema. (The second one was Pearl Harbor about World War I.)

    Was I just in a bad mood and is it worth rewatching?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell
  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Phew, blocked in my country.

  • tOmy`

    After that Oscar madness, ads on this webzone politely started to inform me about job opportunities in Brno (my hometown).

    Maybe I didn’t notice them before, but fuck, it sure is eerie.

  • omitted

    Richdamnit, who have(n’t) I angered (by) now? It’s really annoying trying to follow a conversation when you can’t see if others have responded.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Cookies’ll get ya. I am still staring at the stuff I bought my gf for her birthday.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Dsldfkjdslkgjkldf.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am imagining Jay talking into his hand, saying “Your punishment must be more severe”

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Don’t worry, the title scared me plenty.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    /awkwardly sips tea very loudly

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Hanging out with you people is like having a warm blanket over me. It does have smallpox in it, but the good kind.

  • tOmy`

    Full disclosure: I am not a sitcom cheerleader, but Rich, do I respect Friends for pulling off 10 perfect seasons. And in a way when it is really hard to hate them, yet very easy to love them.

    It’s just so… watchable.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Yea, remember when Fry had those awesome worms he got from a gas-station egg salad sandwich??

    Maybe they can start a new advertising campaign in subways:
    “Be brainwashed by worms. Not Big Pharma.”

  • Palpatine

    The Jay giveth, and the Jay taketh away.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I was into How I Met Your Mother for several seasons.

  • omitted

    I saw this! Jay is merciful!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Oh. yeah. I am in there, I am the worm that yells “Wait a minute, man!”

  • tOmy`

    I think the first 3? were perfect, after that it went downhill and I got really tired around the mid of the 5th one. Heard the ending, that’s all that matters anyways. All the sitcoms are bound to fail, apparently. I think Friends is the only one I managed to watch from start to finish, every episode. Gave up on all the others.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    That’s World War II, you dumb American!

    Also, yes, it is work rewatching.

  • omitted

    I was just about to say that even refreshing the page doesn’t help anymore and I have to click the link in my e-mail notification, but now I see a “One other person is typing…” What a sight for sore eyes!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    We started rewatching it in the last season, but could not keep up with it (because it sucked). Also, everyone seemed to love the actual mother, but I found her to be grating.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Cool cameo, bro!

  • tOmy`

    LOL Japanistan didn’t even exist during World War II. It was founded much, much later, during World War I.

    Get your facts straight

  • Palpatine

    All of Jay I will give to thee, if thou bow down and worship me.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I was outnumbered 2-to-1 on Friends by one of my roommate situations in college.

    I’ve always been partial to Seinfeld and Everybody Loves Raymond myself.

  • Sully

    I liked it on a technical level. Every video game movie I’ve seen falls under the category of “Not Good.” But Silent Hill at least has some gorgeous practical makeup effects.

  • omitted

    Aaaaaand it’s gone! I FYUCKING HATE DISQUS!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Brittian is where it’s at,even if “sitcom” might not suit some of it. You got “Yes Minister”, “Allo Allo”, “Spaced”, “Black Books”, “IT Crowd” and of course, the king “Black Adder”.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    You don’t have to worry about the smallpox… unless you’ve got a bit of Native-American in you. *wiiiiiiiink*
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtyhvMrVtMM&list=PLvGnEA0d1P_5BcUYqNQk9gmqUpBji71lf&index=12

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Oh no, you dinnt! Cha!

  • omitted

    [technical difficulties, your regularly scheduled smut will be right back]

  • tOmy`

    Every time I see Albarn’s name, my heart skips a beat to a perfect bubblegum pop rhythm.

  • tOmy`

    Yeaaaa… okay, I can see that, sure. I really liked those dancers in the basement. That was a neat scene.

    The ending tho. That fucking ending.

  • omitted

    False alarm, everything is still SHIIIIIIIT!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Poltergeist?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Fire is the time in which we burn.
    *sticks finger up nose*

  • SkaMP

    Jack thinks so little of us, to him we’re all just crocodile brains </3

  • tOmy`
  • tOmy`

    Fi… fire walk with me?

    I honestly don’t know what are we doing anymore. I am gonna have another beer.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Nonsense, Silent Hill was always about revenge porn, overt gore, and chain bdsm.
    At least that’s what I remember when I blacked out during the HD Collection…

  • tOmy`

    Yea, but that’s the thing: I don’t want my favorite games (no matter if bad or good) on silverscreen, because even the best ideas from the games will look silly and cheap on the big screen, with actual actors. Silent Hill is case in point for me.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Damn your videogames references I don’t get.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Anybody seen Laura Palmer? Seriously, I have this dwarf guy that wants to klat ot reh.

  • omitted

    To see if it makes a difference, I’ve now opened this thread in… IE. *shivers* Why are you doing this to me, Jay?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Through the darkness of future pants.
    The mangina longs to see.
    One Jay confirmed-for-gay between two worlds.
    Fire walks with me.

  • tOmy`

    She promised to be back in 25 years. Oh, wait! Oh! OOOOOH!

    (I am still very, very excited about it.)

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    You’ll never graduate nonsense-class at this rate!

  • tOmy`

    Have you tried fucking it on and on?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sigh.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I actually forgot about that. Could be interesting.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Back in the box, now!

  • Tim Hendrix

    thanks!!! (sigh)

  • tOmy`

    You forgot about that? I went to a pub to celebrate. Seriously.

    (Well, I would go there anyway, but at least I had a reason. This time…)

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I’m scared, mostly.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Same here, it’s not like stuff like that works most of the time.

  • tOmy`

    If this fails, I am uninstalling television and going off grid.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Start writing the manifesto and growing that beard, buddy.

  • tOmy`

    Oh, right, wasn’t this about videogames at some point? Boy, oh boy, those people coming here from youtube to post their opinions are in for a surprise.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Push Y;O;U SPACE R;O;C;K SPACE M;A;N ENTER to make me feel good about myself.

  • tOmy`

    I refuse to acknowledge even the slightest possibility of Twink Peaks failing.

  • Tim Hendrix

    but i really need this song to make hipster love with my bi-sexual girlfriend in my squirrel custome

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    You have seen season 2, right?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCqir7TeW0k

    Anyway, it looks like Flash is about to explode. So I’d better take a break.

  • tOmy`

    Hey, I have a great flash game for you!

    http://pussywalk.com/

    I am quite afraid (well, glad) that others won’t get it.

    EDIT: Čeština.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    They might not…

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I’m just anticipating unintentional body-horror, like with Arrested Development.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I thought Czech and Slovak were already off the grid…

  • tOmy`

    I think I have mentioned it here (during stream-a-thon maybe?) that I am a total fan of everything and anything Twin Peaks (except that fucking James love story. That shit was baaaaaaaad.)

    And I can also acknowledge that season 2 was pretty bad, but it is still so hard to hate that style, characters and story. It’s just so… Twin Peaks. For me, it is an experience, more than anything. And if they can reproduce that experience, well okay, bring in the fucking Transformers for all I care, I AM GAME.

  • omitted

    I luv it when Jay calls me ‘baby’:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OahbtW_aAJk

  • Sully

    yyyyyyyyoyyyoyoyooyyoouyouyyouyouyouoyuy yoyoyoyoyroyrorr ry roryoryoryryoryoy oryooyo ycrcycoycryocyccckcoycukrckoryucrkyocrkyocykocrykocry

    Like that, Tapey?

    {Edit} Shit, I almost forgot…

    mmmmmmamaaaaaamamamaamnamnamnamnamanamnnmanmanmaanmamn

  • Palpatine

    Did you keep poking him?

  • tOmy`

    Nah, that is just Slovakia. And just because they didn’t invent the grid yet.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am actually just yelling the messages out of my window.

  • omitted

    No, he poked me, hence the ‘up’.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Awesome. Pure awesome.

  • tOmy`

    That’s also how we reproduce.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    David Lynch probably could have made an interesting (loose) Silent Hill adaptation, since the cut-scenes had a bit of an awkward-surreal quality to begin with (a style he often goes fort). He’s also shown he can handle atmospheric, otherworldly horror well. (I think Twin Peaks influenced a number of things in Japan actually, since it was quite popular over there.) I’m not sure if he would have the enthusiastic for deformed monsters the way someone like Del Toro would though…

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    The births and the beads.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    The Cloud is an amazing bit of tech, isn’t it?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am gonna whip my videogame dick out, stand aside. Have any of you played LSD, the dream simulator? Talk about Lynchian.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Naw~

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Ha!

  • tOmy`

    Possibly. Or people can just play the game. I am quite afraid that the utter horror and atmosphere of games like Silent Hill, F.E.A.R., Dead Space, Amnesia and many others are just not meant to be reproduced for a silverscreen. You always end up pissing off fans, while general audience asks “What?”

    But I dread one thing. When Hollywood’s empty suit army realizes, that they cannot sell us Incredible, Superawesome, Ultimately Great Spider-Man, gaming industry is the next one to buy the bullet.

    I can already see Half Life posters everywhere and it makes me want to pick up a crowbar and shove it up someone’s rectum.

    *Kit Fisto picture*

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I always thought it’s “Kid Fisto”. You know, the movies are for kids.

  • tOmy`

    Hey! Stop it, western world! We cannot afford clouds yet.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Aw shucks.
    … Kentucky Route Zero.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Mmm, no, but I was told I would like it. Bubsy 3D?

  • tOmy`

    True, there is nothing wrong with Kidding Fists. On the other hand…

    … it’s time to stop drinking.

    EDIT: Ok, officially the first post on this webzone I feel very, very bad about.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Hey, there is only one Cloud.
    And thou shalt have no other clouds above me… or your pics get leaked.

  • tOmy`

    Hey, question, gamers and gamerettes: Since there is a flock of people that did not buy into the whole gaming stuff, what is your suggestion about the game, that would perfectly introduce non-gamers into the gaming world? I think this is a serious question (my brain is trying to persuade me into believing my own bullshit) and at the same time worth minute or two of thinking.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Since they botched the HD Collection, that possibility gets more and more remote for new people. But what do I care? I’ve got my various physical copies to sit on, like Smaug. Suck it world!

    I guess “The Last of Us” is the next-great-experiment in videogame-moviefication.

  • tOmy`

    I would love to get my pictures leaked. Seriously. I am that desperate by now.

  • tOmy`

    When I sober up and clean up a bit around my “wall of shame” (sporting an Episode 1 poster…) I can throw you a pic with my treasures. But I am more of a PC guy and from what I understand so far, you seemed to be more into console gaming.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I was quite fond of “Doctor”.

  • tOmy`

    Don’t they call it “House” in English speaking countries, tho? It is a different game, but I only recall “them” calling it “House”.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I can best express it by saying: I like PC games. I just don’t like playing things on a PC.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Really? The cheerleader cosplay never indicated that.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Whatever it’s called, it is pretty immersive

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Mine eyes have seen the Bubsy 3D. But I hath not touched of its wonders.

  • tOmy`

    However, looking back, I did miss prompts like “Press G”.

    This is yet another conversation going towards horrific lawsuits. Well done. *secret handshake*

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am done then. I played a little 20min thing called Super Hot (not what you think) at work, that’s about it.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    “It’s cool, dude”

    FBI

  • tOmy`

    You know what? I honestly don’t remember when or how this cheerleader joke reality even started.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    [tiny penis jokes omitted]

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    How rude of you, miss Jennifer. Why, I never..

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    [pedophilia joke omitted]

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I can best put it this way: I like PC games, I just don’t like playing things ON a PC.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    13 – 14?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Oh you mean that giant noir poo? You didn’t like that?

  • dollar store cashier wife

    probably something like Mass Effect.You got simplistic but polished gameplay and a vast,easy to get into world/lore with a strong atmosphere.obviously you won’t tell them the series shit the bed by the end.

  • Portal?

  • dollar store cashier wife

    oh yeah.I mean I think non gamers would appreciate Glados wittiness more then anything gameplay has to offer.

  • tOmy`

    To be honest, while I do agree that these two are the games I would love to show to non-gamers, I think that they are both really, really hardcore.

    Mass Effect is Mass Effect. I can see 80% of non-gamers straight up hating the genre and getting lost in the details.

    Portal is just gamers-for-gamers game. I tried to explain it to some of my friends and they never seem to “get it”. And I don’t mean the puzzles, I mean the general style of the game. I think you need to dip your feet, knees and a butt into the gaming waters before you can fully appreciate the brilliant (and smart) joke that Portal is.

  • tOmy`

    + And trust me on this, give a non-gamer FPS game and he will have troubles with keyboard + mouse movement. And Portal is physics-bending game.

  • Portal is probably difficult to handle to a non-gamer, it’s an FPS, after all. Maybe Telltale games? Those are pretty easy to control and are usually based on properties known to the average popculture omnivore? Maybe a brawler like CastleCrashers or a relatively easy puzzle platformer like Battleblock Theatre?

  • tOmy`

    But it shit the bed in three different col-

    Oh, I made that joke already. But that is the only one I have.

  • tOmy`

    My bet would be Limbo. It’s beautiful, simple, logical, straightforward and very… Accessible. And short.

    However the “horror” element may not suit everyone.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I am tempted to get the Wolf Among Us, I used to be a big Fables fan.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    telltale is a good pick.I mean David Cage games were loved by the masses and what telltale makes isn’t far off(presentation wise at least)

  • Limbo is great but yeah, the horror element might be off-putting. Battleblock Theater has platforming and has coop. Moreover, it’s colourful, simple and… loud at times. I’d recommend it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29GVizbVYew

  • David Cage is all about emoshuns. His games feel a wee bit pretentious. :X

  • dollar store cashier wife

    How about Brothers:A Tale of Two Sons?

  • tOmy`

    Hey! This looks pretty awesome! Thanks!

  • tOmy`

    Did not get to playing that one yet, but heard only good (and very emotional) reviews. On my to-do list.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    sure telltale is space miles better in the writting department(not that DC set the bar high).I just meant that gameplay wise interactive story(aka movie with QTE and an illision of choice)should be right up non gamer’s alley right?

  • You could also try Worms. Everybody loves Worms.

  • Ogrot

    Well it’s really best if you start with something in territory you like and are familiar with. What kind of film and book genres are you into? Do you enjoy reacting to things on the fly or do you rather enjoy mulling over a decision at your own pace?

  • tOmy`

    Uhm… you mean Worms like “bazooka shooting sheep” Worms, or something else?

  • Yeah, those Worms. I’d recommend Armageddon or World Party, the rest isn’t as good.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Worms Armageddon used to be my favourite game. No, seriously.

  • tOmy`

    I love the living **** out of Armageddon. It’s just… so freaking good.

  • tOmy`

    There is nothing to be ashamed of. Worms are like Friends of video-games.

  • I remember you could make your own speechbanks in that game. I made one based on Kingpin soundbites. So much swearing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE4mBIku1dA

  • tOmy`

    I think that (while your opinion is spot on), the decision-making process in games may be a bit too difficult to grasp for mere mortal non-gamers. And I do not want to sound like somebody mocking someone else – but most of the decision-making process comes hand in hand with “hardcore” games – at the same time I believe that many gamers already “learned” to guess what this or that decision changes / brings.

    But yea, I think you may be onto something.

  • Thanatos2k

    Mirror’s Edge did a great job breaking immersion as you fell off buildings over and over because precision platforming from a first person perspective doesn’t work.

  • Thanatos2k

    No, it flopped because it was repetitive and had bad platforming.

  • Thanatos2k

    There were no prompts in Half Life either. And they had one activate button – E. If you wanted to try and use something, you hit E. If you thought there was something you could turn on, you moved across the object mashing E.

    And it worked great.

  • Thanatos2k

    Actually, Activision revealed that something like 52% of people who buy COD never play a single round of multiplayer. A whole bunch of people do buy COD for the single player, that’s why they keep making it.

  • Thanatos2k

    Press A to betray master.
    Hold Circle to carry him to the mine shaft.
    Wave arms to throw him in.

  • Sully

    Word. It adds an element of exploration to the game, which adds to the fun. Walking through a room and being constantly shown prompts to “push this” – “activate that” – “open this” – “take that” is annoying as hell. It’s like having a backseat driver for a 13 hour road trip.

    F U C K

    T H A T

    S H I T .

  • Sully

    “Wave arms to throw him in.”

    What is this? The Wii U version?

  • Thanatos2k

    If the UI is there all the time, you get used to it. When you walk up to a door the “A: Open” in the upper part of the screen doesn’t suddenly fly into the center and start blinking.

  • Thanatos2k

    Heavy Rain is a good game, regardless of how much you can deservedly mock David Cage.

  • Thanatos2k

    From what I understand, Rich likes RPGs but Jack hates them.

  • Thanatos2k

    SHAUN!

  • Thanatos2k

    If by 12 years you mean 12 months. They take 12 months to make now.

  • Thanatos2k

    Depends. Too much corruption and nepotism in the indie market.

    The Kickstarter market is the only hope left.

  • Bubs

    I don’t think there really is a way. Some people don’t like to read, some people just aren’t that into movies, and some people just don’t like video games.

    It’s not for everyone, but if you can solve this, you’ll probably be a millionaire.

  • Thanatos2k

    They’re a staple of BAD game design now, yep. AAA is all about following the market leader now, not making the best game.

    And the marketing focus groups say that half their focus groups don’t read instructions and are too dumb to figure out what to do if you don’t put button prompts, so in the quest for the mainstream dollar there must be button prompts.

    Hold F to pay respects for AAA game design.

  • Boyhood: The videogame. Inspired by the movie that only won one Oscar but took 12 years to make.

  • tOmy`

    Yea, I thought I am gonna bring this quiestion up as a joke and then I realized that I don’t have a fucking clue either.

    But as I said (despite minor details) I would say: Limbo and Half Life 1.

  • Ogrot

    Well, decision making pace can be contextualized with some simpler questions like what games do you like playing, be they sports, cards, pretend, or on a board? They may not play video games, but unless they were that kid from the save the arts commercials they played some kind of game. That can give you a great idea. If everything they like is a fast paced sport that involved quick adaptive thinking like basketball, tennis, or ice hockey then its probably best to suggest something that can match that pace.

  • tOmy`

    They already made that one. It is called Amnesia: The Dark Descent.

    ba-dum-fucking-tsssssss I’ll cue you in

  • BOYHOOD!

  • tOmy`

    Holy shit, nice. I just realized that I have an absolute non-gamer friend, who plays FIFA like a madman, because he is a football (soccer, cough cough) player.

    Hats off to you, sir. You deserve a pizzaroll.

  • Thanatos2k

    They’re right about half the time, but completely and totally wrong the other half.

    This time they are correct. Yahtzee shares this exact same view.

  • Thanatos2k

    Immersion isn’t exactly the goal in X-Com. You even view the game from a detached commander’s perspective.

  • Thanatos2k

    “it has amazing graphics, and a deep, engaging storyline. The main
    characters are well though-out, and the world just feels so real. The
    mechanics are also really innovative and intuitive”

    Sadly, I haven’t seen a game like that in years.

  • tOmy`

    How do Gungans (Goongas) celebrate their boyhood? Like, you know, when they get to that certain age, grow a pair of rabbit ears and earn their first glowy-whatever ball?

    Oh, I just realized: Where the hell are your rabbit ears? Erm… what’s happening in this movie?

  • Thanatos2k

    Giant Bomb is a giant disgrace. You know they’re basically Gamespot, right?

  • Thanatos2k
  • Thanatos2k

    Human Revolution’s “endings” prevent it from being 10/10. Still a very, very good game.

  • Thanatos2k

    Yeah, the problem is devs not being able to decide if they’re making a game or making a movie.

    It’s why The Order 1886 got destroyed.

  • Thanatos2k

    Activision has revealed something like 52% of people who buy COD don’t play a single multiplayer match.

  • Thanatos2k

    It’s sad that you swallowed the media representation of Gamergate. I assure you, you have been lied to.

  • Ogrot

    Well that’s comfort zone, but if you wanted him to wander into the larger world of games you’d prolly ought to suggest one that is action oriented over turn based and something that is also familiar and of interest to him. Even if that thing is a generic brown on the rails military fps. Yes, we all want to enjoy anal Half Life 1 with friends of our choosing, but only a crazy person gives up Half Life 1 anal on the first date. You got to get to first base. Then maybe to second. Then, when your at second you deftly slide a finger down there acting like it’s all accidental just to see if they are kind of into it, and if they are you tease it a little and go for third, and if they aren’t you just say sorry I was trying to find your vagina and then go to third. The point is it’s a process. This isn’t Fifty Shades of Gray! You don’t introduce the anal beads before you’ve even kissed. Wait, what the fuck are we even talking about?

  • tOmy`

    Really? I think the endings were spot on. I love the way how during the “inner monologue” Adam justified every ending with reason and opinion. I found that, quite honestly, fascinating. There is no bad or good (except the slight shift within the ending monologues themselves) ending, there is just… opinion and consequence. And I think that was the major “think about it” element of the game.

    However, if you refer solely to the “choice room”, that was a bit… cheap, or clunky let’s say. But it still served the purpose within the game and having Eliza there to walk you through it was logical – but okay, a bit clunky. Still: “Welcome to the edge, Adam” still sends shivers down my spine.

    Care to tell me about you not liking them and why? I am just curious, because I think this game is worth discussing – no matter what opinion.

  • Thanatos2k

    Gyromancer. It’s basically Bejeweled as an RPG. I’m sure they already know how to play Bejeweled, so it eases them into to other game concepts.

    It’s on Steam.

  • Thanatos2k

    *Pre-Rec comes out….*
    People: “Pre-Rec sucks, I’m done with this!”
    *Next Pre-Rec comes out….”
    Same People: “Pre-Rec sucks, I’m done with this!”

  • Palpatine

    Even though I rarely play video games, but if I were to suggest any game, I suggest something simple, easy to play, and not very long.

  • Palpatine

    Honestly, I don’t get the hate for Pre-Rec. It’s just two guys giving their opinion on video games. It’s pretty much the video game version of HitB. Can someone please explain it to me?

  • Ogrot

    Wolf Among Us is good. It made me wish the actual fables series had more of the noirish sleaze and decay you find in The Wolf Among Us.

  • tOmy`

    “Even though I rarely play video games” – Palpatine, senator and shaft fodder

    This. If this wasn’t RLM, I would go to great lengths of explaining all the whys and whats. But since this is RLM and I am not here as “a gamer” but as a “cheerleader who likes cynical comedy”, I will try to explain it under 9 hours:

    If you are somewhat more plugged in (pulled in, interested in) gaming industry, its inner shenanigans, games, mechanics, history, the good vs. new etc… You will find opinions within Pre-Rec… shallow. As I said before, I get what they are aiming at, but at the same time, I think they are very limited, when it comes to some “general” view. Unlike HitB or Plinkett or Shoji Tabuchi.

    Simply: What Rich and Jack say can be very easily thrown back into their face, because the way they sell it and the facts they are backing it up with, are simply not good enough.

  • Jaws

    hitb is like tom selleck in magnum pi. pre rec is tom selleck in friends

  • tOmy`

    I think that Half Life 1 is the perfect first base. I understand that FPS game with this setting and this mechanics can be a bit “too much” for people who wanna play… you know, something nice.

    But generally speaking, the only thing that Half Life 1 didn’t nail was Scarlett Johansson. I keep on replaying it year after year after year – not just because I “love” it, it’s just because every year I feel like I understand more and more about games and bringing me back “to basics” makes me understand Half Life 1 more and more as a “game”.

  • tOmy`

    Interesting, I shall check it out.

    Now get back down bellow and explain Deus Ex endings, sir!

  • Palpatine

    I think I get what your saying. Rich and Jack tend to have higher opinions about indie-games, rather than ones released by major companies, and since a lot of gamers prefer the ones made by the big companies, they don’t like hearing that some indie-game is better than some big name game. Am I in the ballpark there, or am I totally out of it?

  • Jaws

    hitb is the original star wars, pre rec is the pre. quels.

  • tOmy`

    Basically, yea. In a really broad sence: There is a game for everyone. From iPhone games, to Solitaire, to Doom, to RPGs and any multiplayer extravaganza.

    They mock the things many people mock, but they are doing it in a very… “uneducated” (and I am saying this with all my respect for these two fellas) way. Sometimes they are spot on. Sometimes they are miles off. I just think they are missing the “gaming generation” that is the fanbase of RLM.

    And I mean it age-wise. They can, sometimes, come off as these grumpy older gamers, while their fanbase is mostly (it looks like it from this comment section) raised on end of the 90s and start of 00s. And they seem to not have a clue about what and why did change in the gaming industry.

    It is just a clash of opinions – and this is what gamers are real pr0s at.

    (I would go through this post and give some logic to it, but I am way too fucking drunk to do so. Take from it what you want, you Padme-chocker, we can try again tomorrow.)

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Not really.It’s more like whatever topic they tackle they got nothing insightful to say.

  • tOmy`

    While I agree, until this particular episode, I had no problem. This just seemed like… someone who played few games have something to say. It’s like me mocking the “3 colors Mass Effect”. Sure, everyone gets the joke, everyone knows, what I am aiming at, but can I back it up with any real… anything? Nope.

    So I am not shooting videos about it.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    I mean…we all comment on the animated Plinkett videos as well don’t we?

    RLM-if I only knew how to quit you…

  • Palpatine

    Does The Sims series count as video games?

  • Bubs

    I think he’s trying to say they’re incredibly biased and don’t know what they’re talking about.

  • tOmy`

    I like them! I am here for RLM!

    I wanna click on it and see comments (lately comment myself – way too much I might add) and this is what it is. Just when it comes to games, Jack and Rich ain’t no fucking Mike and Jay (or Jack and Rich in BOTW). It’s that simple. I am here for them, they are “here for me”. Deal.

  • Sully

    Also a viable option.

  • tOmy`

    It sure does. Knowing your character, did you play it? Did you send them to a pool and then take all the stairs away, watching them drown, because they basically lacked any faith regarding your godlike hand?

    I did it.

  • Sully

    I’ve tried don’t don’ting, but that shit’s hard.
    You have any idea how many times I’ve uninstalled and reinstalled this webzone?

  • Palpatine

    Yeah, I’m a pretty big Simmer. I even made Mike, Jay, Plinkett and myself using The Sims 2. Pics to be posted later.

  • tOmy`

    To simplify this discussion to the very core (down to its midichlorian count): Everyone is bit right and everyone is bit wrong. But we could create an experiment (that happens in pubs quite often): Put two guys, both gamers, both fans of the same serie just a different title of it, to one room: Morrowind vs. Skyrim. Doom vs. Doom 3. Counter Strike vs. CoD. LOL vs. Dota2. WoW vs. WoW expansions. Diablo 2 vs. Diablo 3. Red Alert 2 vs. Red Alert 3. And I could go on and on and on. And you know it.

    So what would happen in this experiment? Despite the fact that the mentioned games are basically “the same”? Gamers. Like. Different. Shit. I read so many great opinions about games here today – and both from the anti-Pre-Rec and for-Pre-Rec spectrum – and it is wonderful! I love it. Because games > reality shows.

    But the experiment would end with: People have opinions. If you are an RPG player and trying to get into CoD vs. Battlefield conversation – well, tough luck. I am a pure-bred oldschool FPS arena freak – sure I do hate some of the things, but fock it. You know why?

    Because these conversations about what we love and hate about games just showcase how much is there to talk about – it ain’t no fucking leisure only. This is a form of an art and I am somewhat sad, that when these discussions arise, there is a lot of talk about “what is best” and not about “what is really artsy about a game I maybe do not exactly like”.

    [drops mic]

  • tOmy`

    To quote Calvary: “There is too much talk about sins and not enough talk about virtues.”

  • tOmy`

    There should be a Sully poster. Did he ever ventured into the gaming industry poster field?

    I am sure he would paw it.

  • Sully

    Who da fuq told you you were allowed to have an opinion? What kind of cheerleader are you?

  • Jaws

    not really, you could say that about anything, it misses the point, it’s not what someone says it’s how they say it, criticism isn’t only about pointing out what is good, but explaining it in an interesting way

  • tOmy`

    GIMME O!
    GIMME P!
    GIMME I!
    GIMME U!
    … GIM… ME M…

    Shit, I think some jock spiked my drink ag….

  • tOmy`

    To stop sounding like a sentimental whore of a gaming industry: Who saw Hard Candy movie? And if you did not, and you are currently looking for a good movie, do NOT watch trailer, as it fucking spoils half the fun. Go!

  • Sully

    I’ve heard of it, but never got around to watching it. That good, huh?

  • tOmy`

    Yea, I know. I just wanted to be cute for a minute. Fuck CoD, fuck WoW, fuck anything, really. I have only respect for Q3A and CS / CS:GO pro scene. Rest is just… games.

  • Sully

    Q*bert or GTFO!

  • tOmy`

    Not gonna say that good, because I am definitely not as foxy as you are within the movie-making industry. I am gonna say that good as in interesting, shocking movie with nice visuals.

    It is worth a watch. I promise.

  • tOmy`

    And you seemed to be very keen on “screenwriting” part of the byz, so I think, that in this regard, it won’t let you down.

  • Sully

    Is it streaming anywhere or am I going to have to hunt this shit down?

  • tOmy`

    I honestly have no clue, I just remembered the fact that ages ago, I used to love this. Just… you know… buy it off the… tor[redacted]nz.

  • Sully

    Found it. I’ll give it a watch this evening.

  • tOmy`

    If you can, do. And please, if there is a chance, do get back to me – I wonder what you gonna say.

    This is the story (at least style-wise) I always wanted to write / tell. Hope you gonna have a foxy time watching that.

  • Sully

    Because HitB share film opinions with about 80% of their base, while Pre-Rec shares gaming opinions with only about 20%.
    I’ll be honest, I haven’t heard of half the shit Rich and Jack play, and if I have, I haven’t played it.
    That being said, I do agree with most of their opinions in regards to most games these days. But, hey, I’m a fox… What da fuq do I know?

  • Bubs

    What’s this have to do with immersion? This whole article is about QTEs. I didn’t even mention them in my post. Also, does writing a large number of opinion pieces really make someone credible? It’s not like he has a PhD in game design.

  • I don’t play video games anymore.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Jaws already said what I wanted to say so instead enjoy this video which is always the first thing that comes to my mind when someone calls video games art:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3bXwVPChQ

  • Thanatos2k

    If my dad can beat it – anyone can.

  • tOmy`

    Exactly, you are just a paaaaaaw.

    (I am sure it’s been done before, but I didn’t notice, so laugh and upvote.)

  • Thanatos2k

    Choose a color ending is awful game design. Mass Effect 3 as well.

  • Thanatos2k

    Star Wars Kinect version DUH

  • tOmy`

    I… I didn’t exactly thought of video games being art in this… ehm, way.

    I merely commented on the creative process, visuals, sound, mechanics and all the other things – because, in the end, if a movie can be art, why exactly would video-games (the great, great ones) could not be perceived as an art or an arftorm? Because… I am not a super gamer, I played like 00.8% of what came out lately, but… there is something artsy about good video games – and if the “artsy” comes from a certain group of people, all controlling different aspect of the game – how is it different from the “art” of cinema.

    (Maybe I am just lowering the bar for “cinema art”, while trying to raise game “art” to that very bar… but I honestly don’t think I am far off. Games are, to a certain degree, a form of art. I mean why the fuck not?)

  • dollar store cashier wife

    It’s just a joke video.I’d agree with you that they definitely have at least some artistic merit.

  • The one with the chick from Juno?

  • Ze Willard

    Me neither. I eat eggrolls though.

  • Thanatos2k

    Rich was wise to avoid Thief 4. It’s a personification of everything wrong with modern game design and yes, includes context button cues and tons of Quick Time/Slow Time events that you’re forced to do.

  • tOmy`

    Hmmm. That is, honestly, an interesting way to look at that. But I would still play the “consequence” card and the “morality / ethics” card of the ending – as I said, it was clunky, but the game wanted you to think in a much, much bigger picture, no?

    While Mass Effect ending was just an ending to your journey, Deus Ex ending striked me more as an ending to what you have learnt. And it fits the “game style” as well. Deus Ex wanted to primarily tell this incredible, convoluted story, with no clear villains and no clear consequence – in the end, letting you to not only choose the faith for a number of people, but ultimately choosing your… opinion on the subject matter,

    tl;dr: While it was a bit clunky, I think they handled it more than well.

  • Shouldn’t you be sleeping?

  • Ze Willard

    Yes.

  • Well then… What are you doing here?

  • Ze Willard

    Where’s Bane?

  • tOmy`

    Errrrrm… I am too drunk and when I get drunk, I get VERY nostalgic over video games (the game I played for 15 years is slowly, but this year surely, digging its shallow grave). I would get that “joke” tomorrow, but today, I am just a sob for a love-games story.

    *sniff*

  • Ze Willard

    Looking for Bane.

  • I think he’s on vacation.

  • Thanatos2k

    It’s funny that Rich and Jack are dumbfounded that studios could have so little respect for the intelligence of their audience when Mike and Jay have railed for years on the movie industry for doing it.

  • tOmy`

    Yes. And I think her performance (in a performance driven movie) was great.

  • tOmy`

    This. Thank you.

  • tOmy`

    Was it that bad? I was willing to give it a go.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    You don’t remember Ariadne mr.Nolan? How does one forget such a memorable role?

  • Yeah. Hard Candy is a really great flick. Not many folks have seen it, though. Perhaps the subject matter is a turn off for some…

  • I drink a lot.

  • tOmy`

    I will just post my most favorite game-related video ever (that even non-gamers will get). I guess this is the way to talk about “problem” in certain genre of videogames:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

    For those who have not seen and did not play games, don’t shut it off in the mid, just because you “got the point”.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    That video missed an opportunity by leaving in Reznor’s phenomenal score.It should have something that sounds like a cheap Zimmer score knock off.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    don’t you have the ability to turn off just about every single hud element? thief is miles ahead of other games in that regard

  • Thanatos2k

    Next game is The Order? Hahahah they didn’t know what they were getting into did they.

  • tOmy`

    I just don’t think it is a “well known” movie. It just flew under the radar – yet, for what it is, it is a great fucking flick (just like you said).

  • Thanatos2k
  • Thanatos2k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FpigqfcvlM

    This extremely informative video shows you exactly how you can make a game without button prompts that doesn’t treat the audience like morons who need to have the game play itself.

  • panzi

    I was thinking about that too, but then I’m not sure it is that easily applicable to a 3D game. In a side scroller it is clear that you have to advance to the right, so if there is an obstacle you have to be able to overcome it. In a 3D game it could just be a dead end and the real path is somewhere else. I’m not saying it isn’t possible to do it in a 3D game without text prompts, but it is not as straight forward.

  • Thanatos2k

    Of course it’s applicable to a 3D game. Just look at Portal.

  • Thanatos2k

    Sadly, turning off the UI doesn’t make it a better game.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    well no but at least it has that over other AAA games.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Taking the low hanging fruit for some sweet preaching to the choir.They 100% know what they are going into.

  • Thanatos2k

    Tru dat

  • Jaws

    2 people sitting down, talking, shot, reverse shot, with a sheet in the background, I mean did George Lucas produce this?

  • Bubs

    There shoulda been a tutorial level to teach you to “Pay Respects”, that way they wouldn’t need the button prompts at the funeral. In fact, they should’ve done away with guns and combat and all that other unnecessary bullshit. Then COD could be the “Pay Respects” simulator it was always meant to be.

  • Palpatine
  • Sully
  • Sully

    I’ve yet to play a single Kinect game. I’ve worked hard to maintain this boast.

  • Sully

    If a game is going to provide a prompt, it should at least provide the option to ignore the prompt.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Even the horrible mass-death won’t be that different from a normal HITB episode.

  • Very cool. Nice job Palpy.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    It’s so beautiful!

  • I don’t think you understand what RLM content churnouts mean for us.

    https://38.media.tumblr.com/9ef95397fad01434d5810318625daf2e/tumblr_neks8aGV5o1tatcyno1_500.gif

  • Wizard Phoenix

    I hear The Order 1886 has lots of QTE’s. Good call, Rich.

  • panzi

    Yes, but what about a 3D game that isn’t quite as much linear?

  • Wizard Phoenix
  • Palpatine

    I prefer the Order 66. Get it? Because Star Wars reference.

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Order Hot Zone Kill sounds better.

  • Noah R.

    A button prompt is when your playing a game and then the game tells you how to play the game. Imagine playing a board game in which all you do is touch the counter/marker then it moves its self to the most desirable position…

  • Like Icare

    You should get a “pay respects” QR code when you pay for the game.
    Then when the moment to pay respects comes up, you snap a picture of it, message the server, it sends you back the code validating your purchase and payment, then you type that into the game, which connects to the server, checks your one-time token and confirms that your payment of respects was paid in full.

    It’s a great way to stop people pirating and reselling used games and it also kinda rhymes.
    And it will make the whole thing so much more immersive.

  • Alcatraz

    They are better than Gamespot. Giant bomb has personality and better coverage. Gamespot has been a pile of burning garbage for years.

  • Like Icare

    Counter Strike vs. CoD? Same serie just a different title of it?

    Check your notes there. They are not even the same kind of a game.

  • Noah R.

    Also, I can’t wait to hear you two tear The Order: 1886 a new one- if you don’t I”ll probably cry.

  • Sully

    Watched it. Good dialogue. Solid acting. I liked just about everything about it, except the end.
    I felt it was all a little… expected, yet not as neat and clean as the writer thought.
    Still a decent little flick.

    7/10 – Would recommend.

    Would’ve been 8.5/10, but Paige’s hair bothered the shit out of me. She looked like “Boy” from Little Monsters.

  • Jonathan Blanton

    First of all, I simply don’t enjoy watching these videos very much. Jack and Rich are okay at off-the-cuff conversations, but it gets fairly boring after 16 minutes. Something like Best of the Worst is far more entertaining. Unlike Mike and Jay who do Half in the Bag, Jack and Rich don’t know much about video games. Jack and Rich make some decent points and clearly have some passion for the artistry of video games, but it’s clear they don’t know how video games are made nor have they played very many games. Watching them play both in Previously Recorded episodes and on their stream, they’re both bad enough at video games that it clearly inhibits their ability to play the games properly.

    Most importantly, all of their other shows have some creative element to make them more entertaining. Best of the Worst has a great format, it’s a clever idea, and they incorporate a lot of great skits. I particularly love Wheel of the Worst. Half in the Bag has their own skits and a funny storyline to follow. And the Plinkett reviews likely revolutionized online reviewing.

    Previously Recorded is just shot, reverse shot of Jack and Rich talking. If they were video game developers, great critics, or had a lot of natural charisma or humor, the overly simple, dare I say lazy, format would be more acceptable.

  • Joe Bloggs

    I was a pretty casual gamer about 10 years ago. As soon as I got stuck on a part I gave up and found something new to play. It just wasn’t fun for me to do the same thing over and over. As a result, I never bought sequels to games I got stuck on and never recommended them to friends. This is not what the game industry wants and so hence the spoon feeding prompts.

  • Palpatine

    Can’t wait for the HitB of this in 2028:
    http://collider.com/boyhood-sequel-richard-linklater/

  • Shane O’Shaughnessy

    Fusty old farts love the goombas.

  • Jonathan Blanton

    The Sonic games are mediocre. A lot of them are genuinely very bad. I think it earned its legacy because of good character designs and clever marketing. And they did have a few pretty good games.

    But in the review they kept running into enemies where they simply should not have died. In the game you can Spin Dash and roll when you are going fast. This prevents you from dying when you hit an enemy. They never used the rolls or the Spin Dash. It’s like not knowing that you can jump on enemies in Super Mario or not knowing that you can change weapons in a first person shooter. It just invalidates all of their criticisms.

    There’s a lot of other games that they simply do not know how to play and then throw out a bunch of unfair criticisms. Titanfall was another example. If they want to criticize the game, that’s fine. But their criticisms stemmed from the fact that they didn’t understand how the game worked or how to play it properly.

    There’s other games that they generally know how to play, but they’re not skilled enough to navigate it properly. A lot of games are made for skilled gamers. You can’t give any sort of an objective review if you’re not good enough to play the game. There’s a lot of games my friends play that are beyond my skill level. I don’t enjoy playing them because they are too hard. But my lack of skill is not a valid criticism.

  • Shane O’Shaughnessy

    The Order: 1886 may have been underwhelming but the developers still created a beautiful, intriguing world that I’d love to revisit in another game with tighter gameplay. So save the asshole-ripping for the generic, unoriginal crap, not this game.

  • TamatoDamashi

    Yeah you completely misunderstood what I was saying. I never once said that movies = games, I equated the act of getting lost in the entertainment/story with both mediums, etc where you no longer pay attention to yourself – that is immersion – and many gamers experience it.

    I never said QTEs were button prompts, in fact I said “QTEs AND button prompts”

    The “everything else” you disagree with was simply explaining the experience of immersion and how it is important for many gamers (which it is), and then summarizing Pre-Recs argument about handholding. Neither of these could be “disagreed with” as I was just explaining what they said about how others feel – which I explained accurately.

    This was all very clear, either you are an idiot, or more likely, you’ve already constructed a narrative in your head and are just being belligerent for the hell of it.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    dude i was there. i was talking to(arguing with.) the fucking morons. there was some really creepy people posting. and thats me saying that!

  • Andrew Thompson.

    in the wormhole.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i didnt do it on purpose. and on the day i find out which of the dickish things i did that i got banned for i will apologise for that.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    not as much as Rich.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i was using the term “Weak.” in an evolutionary sense. as in unfit to survive.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i first saw Ellen Page in Trailer Park Boys.
    she was maybe 12? the next time i saw her acting was in Hard Candy. it added to the jarring nature of the movie to have an image of her as a much younger child.

    http://youtu.be/SMHuEJCs1Vg

  • Andrew Thompson.

    watch it. its worth it.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    twice?

  • Andrew Thompson.

    tetris.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    mine are grey. but still working.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    its Disqusting

  • Andrew Thompson.

    look i know i’m a narcissistic sociopath. but every time i die people cut back on the comments.
    its fine just read this passage.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ckl27yGIKWU/VLJeOlqRgkI/AAAAAAAAAO4/1_R2IK4JiE0/w758-h569-no/DSC_0312.jpg

  • Chewbacca

    You seem familiar… have we met before?

  • Hey even here Mike has Disney Eyes(TM).

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    So, what do you all cool gaming people think about the VR hullabaloo? Because it kinda seems to me like an extension of the 3D fad.

  • I agree. I mean, it may significantly enhance playing some games like flight simulators and what and “exploration games” but ultimately it feels like a gimmick and nothing else.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Zuckerberg and Carmack seem to think it’s the future though.

  • Jillian

    But how do I know you’re really a bad guy if there isn’t a huge yellow arrow hovering above your head? You could be anyone.

  • Kinect was also supposed to be the future. 😛

  • Sully

    Looks like someone flunked handwriting in grammar school.

    All I’ll say is this…
    I knew I was right in blaming you, Andrew. I knew it!

  • Sully

    VR would also make an interesting platform for horror games, but still, the market is incredibly slim atm.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I for one would like to play videogame adaptation of Sleepaway Camp

  • Sully

    I had high hopes for P.T. after watching this video…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBejvX-l7mI

    …but later learned that the actual game wouldn’t play anything like this, which was a letdown. Why design a teaser to advertise a game that doesn’t actually reflect the real game?
    Something like this, using a VR platform could potentially be creepy as hell.

  • There’s one horror game in development right now. It’s even supposed to measure your heart rate. The higher your heart rate, the scarier it’s supposed to get. And in a typical fashion for EVERYTHING they are pitching as a sort of a coaching game that’ll help you overcome fear and control your emotions.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    So, do Rich and Jack hate Dance Dance Revolution?

  • beurbs

    ah I see. well I’m not sure videogames will determine who should survive.

  • JuFro743

    THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN MISSING FROM THIS DEBATE

  • Sully

    I can’t see DDR being Rich’s kind of game, but goddamnit I can imagine it, and it is glorious!

  • Archfiend_Baramos

    Hack-Frauds Complain About Quick Time Events and Tutorial Levels 15 Years After Their Introduction

    What they used to do was put the controls in the manuals, but apparently everybody was too stupid to read those, and also they quit printing them entirely to save 20 cents per copy or whatever (this is why GTA V didn’t have a classic GTA manual, which were always a fun read, but instead some link to an online manual).

    This is a better video explaining how “tutorial levels” used to function without just throwing the button presses up on the screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FpigqfcvlM

  • Archfiend_Baramos

    Ah, I wish I’d scrolled down, I also linked that.

  • tOmy`

    Yea, I know, by the time I got to title-dropping, I forgot what my intention was in the first place.

  • Alex

    Eh, button prompts don’t bother me if the game is an otherwise solid experience and I’m enjoying it. Come to think of it, I never even noticed them in lots of games that apparently have them. Maybe I won’t be able to unsee them now. Thanks Jack & Rich.

    Of course, the infamous “Press X to pay respects” level (?) is another kettle of fish. That’s just awful game design.

  • Thanatos2k

    Like Half Life?

  • Thanatos2k

    You and me both.

  • Thanatos2k

    You’re paying respects for the Call of Duty franchise itself.

  • Warlord X

    Jesus Christ, you gotta be kidding me. So I guess people really are dumb enough to pay 60 dollars for a 6 hour game? I didn’t want to believe it, but there it is I guess.

  • fred

    Goonbats.

  • tOmy`

    You created life!

  • Ever played Descent the board game? That’s is one of those boardgames I wish I’d had a button prompt. Otherwise buttonpromts can shove off.

  • Bubs

    This is pretty much the core problem of game design. “How do I get the player to go where I want him to go?” All of the stuff in the video is still applicable to a non-linear 3D game.

    If we use Elder Scrolls as an example, it’s a pretty open world. If you want the player to go to point A, but you want to avoid explicitly telling him, just have the NPCs nearby talk about some big event happening at point A. If you want to teach a new skill, such as how to swing a sword, give them a sword and throw a bear at them. The player will learn by doing.

    Where it gets really tricky though is in a game like Civilization. You have potentially 100 different things the player needs to know before they can even start learning the other 100 things they need to know. And sometimes you don’t really have a choice. You just have to tell them.

  • Bubs

    The Occulus Rift and the rest of its ilk are the new Kinect. A bunch of gimmicky bullshit. In 20… maybe 15 years, we’ll have something that slightly resembles real VR.

    And even then… it will probably fail. If the Wii has shown us anything, it’s that we don’t like to move a lot when we play games. So at best, it’ll just be a curved screen around your head. Like the Occulus Rift.

    It’s completely conceivable that “Screen around the head” is where games are going in the future. But real VR? Nah.

  • Bubs

    The shaders in that were pretty fucking good. Did they license CryEngine or something?

  • Bubs

    So we talked the other day about video game movies that sucked (all of them). So then, if a video game movie were to be made into an Academy Award winning masterpiece, what game would it be? Why? Who would be in it? And what would Hollywood have to do to NOT fuck it up?

  • its called bleach

    id like to have a hot zone delivered. its too cold to go outside in this frozen hellscape

  • Thanatos2k

    Here’s more information from another credible source:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJCEQaSlvHE

  • Punkster

    You are not Batman… I’M BATMAN!
    Great discussion lads, very true and entertaining. I wish I had some witty banter for you to say but I don’t.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I’d be willing to try it out just out of curiosity but I wouldn’t want to use it all the time. I generally dislike playing with headphones on because I like to be aware of my surroundings, so something like Oculus Rift is definitely not for me.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    We are never gonna beat TriGGLetyPlay, nobody can.

  • Punkster

    1000

  • Punkster

    Aye… What’s that about then?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Damn, that’s good. Is that Sims one or two?

    I need to work on a fan project of my own… some day. It’s gonna happen, though, I swear. And it’s going to be glorious.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Assassin’s Creed has that, though.

  • Palpatine

    The Sims 2, the best one in my opinion.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Is that your opinion or the general audience’s?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    They couldn’t compete with Jay(‘s beard). He doesn’t even need to take his clothes off.

  • Andre Innis

    I’m guessing it’s more a “Press X to prove you’re still awake” and now I imagine somewhere someone played that level and died during the cut scene and it’s been stuck on that prompt for weeks because I’m sick and twisted like that.

  • Fartastic

    Killer7, obviously. The protagonist is
    a) an old white man (appeals to average juror)
    b) who sits in a wheelchair (handicap bonus),
    c) has a split personality (Black Swan factor) and
    d) turns into several american minority group members. (granting it liberal Hollywood’s benevolence)
    e) He fights terrorism.(granting it conservative benevolence)
    f) Given the fucked up source material, it will take at least 12 years to figure out how to make it. (granting it the benevolence of easily impressed idiots)

    The Academy’s jury and the people will love it, no matter the plot.

  • Sully
  • Is it really a big deal anymore? Not to downplay your comment but my blood boiled at 10K!

    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/19/199902f3f11f9a87d35626c1dfeb83cd116a544cfbbb56ccb1e7f18a01db458a.jpg

  • Bubs

    Maybe Duke Nukem Forever? The game already took 12 years to make.

    We could have Mickey Rourke play Duke and Rosie O’Donnel play the pig aliens. Is she still relevant? Ah fuck it.

    Hollywood would fuck it up by making Duke a farmer and giving him a daughter who was killed by aliens, thus he’s just a simple man out for revenge. There would be no blood or tits, because it was turned into a PG13 movie to appeal to a “broader audience”.

  • Fartastic

    If Rourke played the Duke, his catchphrase would be: My ass, my face, what’s the difference?

  • Palpatine

    Fuck that, there should be a movie called DukeHood, which focuses on Duke Nukem’s childhood.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    bring back Sergio Leone to life and make him direct Red Dead Redemption.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Pff, baby comments!

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Congratulations, Shin-I mean Punkster

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    He is alive, just changed his name to George. And R. R Martin.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I like Games. WarGames. Heh.

  • Lt Hurwitz

    Jack goes nuts for games most people look at and say “what the fuck is this?” and he revels in his obnoxious hipsterness. Rich is just a huge nerd and only likes boring, slow-moving, not really impressive looking, games. Neither seems particularly open minded, like if they played Call of Duty and actually liked it, they’d still say it sucks because in their minds they have to hate it.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Today at work I was listening to the This American Live episodes about cops and racism in the US and hearing something akin to “Milwaukee is a microcosm of all the racially charged crime problems in America” felt way closer than it should.

  • atheistconservative

    Why on earth would anyone listen to “This American Life”. Left-wing propaganda presented by the world’s most annoying voice.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Do you know who I would love to get gay married with? Obama.

  • In The Court Of The Evans King

    Chill out, man.

  • Sully

    Don’t listen to Athey, Tapey. He only comes around these parts to ruffle feathers and stare at Omitted’s ass.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Who? I was just writing into my diar..oh shit!

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    You know Athey’s around when Omitted gets more downvotes then Maybelline.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    So what was the last thing you played, gamers?

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    I just leveled a witch doctor to 70 on Diablo. I’m not a loser, honest!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    That would be 3, right? I remember spending quite a lot of time with the second one.

  • Evil Octopus

    I really want to like Pre-Rec show/stream, but I usually don’t. I enjoyed the streams when they played 4 player and I enjoyed the FTL streams because it introduced me to the game and I love it. The banter and podcast feel is sometimes good.

    But these streams just mostly suck. I was really excited for the Hand of Fate stream, and then they are all “WTF is this, it’s a card game? This is dumb me want action now.” Well shit lion/crocodile brains… read the freaking game description. It’s half a strategy deck building game and half action encounters. If that is not your thing, why try the game? And if you are going to try it, why start whining about wanting to play something else before you’ve even made it 5 minutes through the game…

    Then the bitching about TellTale Games. I agree with what Rich was saying, there is a lot of illusion of choice in their games because you end up in the same location, but the dialogue and character reactions differ greatly depending on choices you make. The games like The Walking Dead are basically “movie games”. I would never recommend it to someone based on its awesome gameplay… but I would totally recommend it based on the great story and art in the game. I just don’t get the totally dismissive attitude towards that style/genre of games… I mean sure if it was just like “eh story games aren’t my thing” but the attitude was that there was something “wrong” with their being games like that and I just don’t get that at all…

    The Sonic video review, I mean they don’t even use the spin move which is key to keeping up speed. They are much less informed about video gaming than Mike/Jay are about movies, at least it certainly comes across that way to me as a viewer.

    Well anyway, I love RLM and wish I could support Pre-Rec but I might be out. There is some decent comedy and topics discussed sometimes, but there is too much whinefest for me about gaming stances that don’t really hold weight. The show/stream has its moments and with some tweaking it could be good, but it just is not clicking for me.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Yep! I’ve got a head cold, and just felt like amassing a pile of demon pets to do my bidding.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Man, you guys get way better stuff on prescription than we do.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Well, it was either that or Pokemon, and didn’t feel like dealing with cutesy sounds. I wanted death and decay, not fainting.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Pokemon seems way more ominous though. Like, something is definitely up in that world.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    I don’t know how some of those Pokemon breed, but I’m glad it’s all kept behind closed doors. And I can just drop off babies I don’t like at the nursery. Good times.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    High-five your husband for me.

  • The Ghost

    I’ve been playing FTL when I feel like being alone and flexing my multi-tasking muscles, and Smash Brothers when I feel like empowering myself by beating up 10 year olds.

  • Ogrot

    Dragon Age Inquisition. It has a really hamfisted beginning for a Bioware game. It then sort of hooked me by the end of the first act with a scene worthy of a bioware RPG. And then went back to feeling like more volunteer obligation than a fun way to waste the time. I think I may be having more fun fucking around with character builds in Neverwinter Nights II

  • Sully

    GTA V. I find it entertaining listening to 12 year olds cry into their headsets.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Don’t we all.

  • Palpatine

    E.T. on the Atari 2600.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    You cannot spell “Classic” without “Ass”

  • Thanatos2k

    Both. Sales figures back it up.

  • Palpatine

    The Atari is the only console I own. I’m too old to figure out how these modern controllers work, and the Atari only has one button and a joystick, so it’s really easy to use.

  • Thanatos2k

    Wasteland 2.

  • Thanatos2k

    It would have to be made by the people involved with the game, similar to how South Park Stick of Truth was a good game adaptation because it had the people who did the TV show involved in the development.

    Just tossing some Hollywood movie guys who don’t know video games and don’t care at a project is death, as every video game movie has shown.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Silent Hill:Alchemilla.Fairly good for a Half Life 2 mod I guess(more faitful to SH then any western SH game anyways)

  • Thanatos2k

    It would be Duke Nukem Forever, but Duke is a woman, like Ghostbusters.

  • Thanatos2k

    You don’t understand. Fat people love DDR, because we also like to imagine how good we would be at it if we weren’t fat.

    ….Which is why I play Stepmania with my keyboard.

  • Thanatos2k

    VR games will be WAY better than 3D movies. Give it 10 years though.

  • Thanatos2k

    You should die more often

  • Thanatos2k

    The Lightning Fast VCR one is really good.

  • Thanatos2k

    Hold F – Pay Respects
    Hold S – Spit on casket

  • RLMkeepitup

    Does the mod have monsters yet, last I heard it was not finished?

  • RLMkeepitup

    Are you the one using the tank all the time..

  • RLMkeepitup

    There should be a button prompt when i turn my computer on asking if I’d like to visit RLM webzone. Of coarse I would usually pick yes but it still would be nice to have the option.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Nah.The creators apparently are not skilled enough to program and animate enemies.They asked for volunteers to help out with that but nobody came forward.

  • Cant remember. Maybe Super Mario U. This weekend I will enjoy some Castle Vania Symphony of the night.

  • Man Palpy, you gotta let go of the 80s.
    If the spacewell swallows you hole: get right back on the Galactic Senate.

  • Sully

    No. I’m the guy on a rooftop sniping guys out of their tanks and buzzards from 1/2 a mile away.

  • Sully

    Press Ⓐ: To Condone Widow

    Press Ⓑ: To Pass Widow Phone Number

  • In The Court Of The Evans King

    Wild Guns on the SNES.

  • Palpatine

    Come on man, the 80’s were the best! Remember this video from the New Years Stream-A-Thon:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAm1EU_pu80

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    Monster Hunter 4

  • Missed the Steam-A-athon.

  • its called bleach

    go to bed mike

  • Palpatine

    It was pretty fun time. Here’s the list of what was played during the stream copied from the message board:

    11:20 A.M.- PRE-SHOW
    – Harvey Korman clicking
    – Short Musical Interlude (don’t remember the song)
    – Ishtar Trailer
    12:00 P.M.- RLM SHORTS
    – Plinkett Christmas Carols
    – The Rich Evans Anthology
    – The Cleaning Lady
    12:30 P.M.- FEATURE FILM #1
    – Blood Shack (1971)
    – Ishtar Trailer
    – Weber Cooks (Chili & Cheese Nachos Dip)
    1:30 P.M.– EXTENDED BEST OF THE WORST SCREENING
    – The Dance of Birth
    2:25 P.M.– FEATURE FILM #2
    – Twister’s Revenge (1987)
    – Bart the General
    – McDonald’s Clean It Video
    4:00 P.M.– RLM SHORTS AND OUTTAKES
    – The Great Space Jam
    – The Great Space Jam Outtakes
    – The Great Space Jam Behind-the-Scenes
    – Ishtar Trailer
    4:30 P.M.– MYSTERY WHEEL OF THE WORST VIDEO
    – Instant Adoring Boyfriend
    5:00 P.M.– RLM SHORTS
    – Pork Pork in Space
    5:25 P.M.– FEATURE FILM #3
    – Bloodbeat (1983)
    – Weber Cooks (Creamed Corn & Potatoes)
    – Ishtar Trailer
    – Weber Cooks (Rice-a-Roni)
    – Me and My Llama
    – Ishtar Trailer
    7:00 P.M.– RLM OUTTAKES
    – Best of the Worst Outtake (“Blood Fart”)
    – Best of the Worst Outtake (“Operation: Turtle Strike”)
    – Best of the Worst Screening Outtakes (“How Can I Tell If I’m Really in Love”)
    – Best of the Worst Screening Outtakes (“The Osteoporosis Dance”)
    7:15 P.M.– MYSTERY WHEEL OF THE WORST VIDEO
    – Dunkin’ Donuts Uniform Video
    7:20 P.M.– FEEDING FRENZY (EXTENDED CUT)
    9:00 P.M.– EXTENDED BEST OF THE WORST SCREENING
    – [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81IwlDeV6c]Family Guide to the Internet/URL] (with additional GoPro raw footage)
    – Ishtar Trailer
    9:50 P.M.– RLM SHORTS
    – Reciple for Disaster: A Monkey Man Tale
    – You’re Invited! The Olsen Twins Movie
    10:05 P.M.– MYSTERY WHEEL OF THE WORST VIDEO
    – S.O.S.
    10:35 P.M.– VHS MONTAGE
    – Weber Cooks (Spaghetti)
    – Smash TV Memorex
    – Ishtar Trailer {in Reverse}
    – Ishtar Trailer {4x speed}
    – Ishtar Trailer {2x speed}
    – Ishtar Trailer {in Reverse, 1/2 speed}
    – Ishtar Trailer {2x speed}
    – Ishtar Trailer {1/4 speed}
    – Ishtar Trailer {1/32 speed}
    – Ishtar Trailer {8x speed}

  • Wizard Phoenix

    Mass Effect 2, been binging it since I have the flu and stuck at home.

  • Wizard Phoenix
  • Palpatine

    I wouldn’t say non-medy, more like that awkward laugh someone gives in an attempt to be nice to the person who’s telling the joke. Like when a little kid tells you a joke he read in a joke book, and you laugh at it just to be nice to him.

  • DragonSix

    So basically you are asking to play more Dark Souls.

    I’m fine with that.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    when in doubt blame Andrew. its always the safe bet.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    you could put a link on the desktop.

  • DeColonise

    I don’t think it is about that the big companies adjust slowly. Rather that casual gamers are really this stupid and have to be told what to do constantly or they stop playing. It is not telling you what button to press that is a problem. The challenge of games had dropped significant over the years also. Todays HARD was NORMAL back in the days.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i’m replaying medal of honor: airborne at the moment.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    nothing beats killing some one that never saw you and has no idea what happened.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i want to try it. somethings like FPS and Flight sims would be fun in VR, but candycrush would suck… mostly because it sux.

  • Bubs

    He shouldn’t have to. The computer should do it for him. What the fuck are we paying Microsoft for?!

  • Bubs

    Nah, in 50 years the world will finally understand Norm McDonald. This is Andy Kaufmann-level genius at work. He’s openly mocking everyone in the entire room, and he’s the only one that gets the joke. It’s pretty hysterical.

  • Michael Collins

    Still mopping up Riddler trophies in Arkham Asylum, got a game of Xcom Enemey unknown on the go, as well as Splinter Cell – Blacklist, and Spec Ops:The line..
    Also playing Quake for some oldskool goodness..

    Ain’t Steam wonderful?

    PC ftw

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Dan Ryckert (of Giant Bomb) mentioned this exact performance recently, and seemed to really appreciate what he was going for here.
    I can at least admire the bravery of trying something experimental where you won’t get an immediate positive response to support you through it.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    Bill Gates donations to the third world?
    he could just pay the chinese factory workers, african coltanchilean lithium miners and indian call centres a real wage… but apparently thats not going to happen.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    its not up to me. if you E-mail a complaint to the gods at RLM i’m sure they can help… or they might ban you, who knows?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Perhaps an invasive script?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Fat Princess: Piece of Cake… pfff. Oh yea, I’m hardcore, mates.
    Also, I prefer to be called a ‘gamette’. It’s just as dumb-sounding as ‘gamer’, so why not?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Gamerina..?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    That sounds more like that turtle-monster’s girlfriend…
    Oh right, I am a turtle, aren’t I…? Well there’s such a thing as TOO big, for-tibby’s-sake!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Yea~ Some Wii U love~ I still want one of those, but haven’t had console-buying lucre lately. Too many dull grownup bills interfering with my man-childy inclinations.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Not familiar with that one. I’ll have to look it up on YuteTube or something.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    Gamerette? Gamette makes me think gamet.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Watch out for manalienholes.

  • atheistconservative

    I love how the problem is never the people who inject their propaganda into their ‘news’, entertainment, and everything … it’s the people who notice it and point it out.

  • atheistconservative

    He’s already gay-married to Michelle.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    When the Empire rises again, all other consoles will be banned.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    i’m gay married to Jesus, his dad doesn’t approve.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Ooeeooahah?
    My sorceror-slut is only level 20 or so, so clearly I’m much cooler than you!

  • atheistconservative

    I know, living in your bubble cocoon world, it’s very difficult to believe … but I’m an actual person with beliefs based upon factual analysis and reasoning, and everything I say reflects that.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Obamanognamy. Say that 10 times fast.

  • atheistconservative

    This is anti-comedy, not non-medy. It’s a bizarre form of entertainment that relies entirely upon you liking the performer, not the thing he’s doing. Which is why I like Norm MacDonald and fucking hate Andy Kaufman.

    It is hilarious watching the hipsters try to create grand theories about it. Tip: he’s telling jokes he knows aren’t funny, because it’s ironic. No thesis here.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Do you ever make comments here that aren’t heavily politicized? :
    I’m asking sincerely, because I’m not sure I’ve seen them if you do.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Yes, I’m sure your inflated ego is entirely based on impartial reasoning.

  • atheistconservative

    It’s actually much easier than that: it’s focus-testing. Ever since games started focus-testing they have become stupider and stupider, because all the people making games know is that they have to get 7/10 for every element on the focus test check list. 7/10 people can’t get lost in your game or ever be confused.

    Games have to collapse. That’s how a real economy works: you have boom and bust years.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    it feels like he posted a question on twitter like
    “Tell your saddest Dad joke. #sagetraost.”
    then read them off cue cards.
    i think that was the joke.

  • atheistconservative

    My inflated ego? I think you have self-esteem issues.

  • atheistconservative

    You could always click on my name and see that of course i do. But again I must point out: we are surrounded by political commentary. You just don’t notice it because you’ve been propagandized. So to you, I’m the one being political.

    Let me just put it this way: you don’t think a show on National Public Radio might have a bias?

  • Andrew Thompson.

    run Jen its a trap!
    Atheist Conservative? he is more troll bait than me! and i’m made of dead trolls and old cat food tins.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    name the Australian Conservative party?

  • atheistconservative

    Bruce.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    how do you know Sully lives in a bubble? and foxes dont make cocoons. they do make great hammocks though.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I stand by my coinage. :S

  • Andrew Thompson.

    Jaysus will forgive you.
    pray with me.
    Our Mike, which art in heaven,
    Jaysus be thy name;
    thy Rich will come;
    thy will be done,
    on earth as it is on Disqus.
    Give us this day our daily Rich.
    And forgive us our Comments,
    as we forgive them that comment against us.
    And lead us not into stagnation;
    but deliver us from Hack Frauds.
    amen.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    correct! one upvote for you.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Actually it’s just that you make explicitly politicized and belligerent comments quite often. It’s not some delusion of a propagandized mind. That would require some room for interpretation.
    In response to your first sentence… I didn’t feel like clicking on your entire profile at that moment, as I was busy disarming another Flash-tastrophe in my browser which was overcooking it and making loading sluggish in general. I did see that you made two general comments higher up timestamped after I had written that.

    In any case, political arguments are generally discouraged on this webzone because they’re tiresome and just bog things down pointlessly. There’s hardly a shortage of it most everywhere else on the internet, for whatever it ever accomplishes.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    I’ll just sit back and sip on the sweet nectar of this reply. Ahh~

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Huh, that was a pretty decent comment before you edited it to make it more hostile, and derisive towards some arbitrary target group (which didn’t even make sense, because hipsters just eat up irony with a giant spoon. that would be quite sufficient justification for them to fap over it). Oh well, whatever~

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Germs!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Also, most everything has some degree of bias. By harping on what some person happens to listen to, you’re really just being an unpleasant person.
    And it’s the people that think they’re free of bias and/or somehow immune to propaganda that I regard as the most delusional. I would hope you would have the humility to recognize that you are also susceptible to messaging that you may not always be conscious of.

  • Bubs

    Pfft…. Thanks a lot OBAMA!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Ask yourself why there aren’t any black people in RLM, hm? Hate crimes, obviously.

  • Bubs

    So I was recently playing Soul Reaver on PC (which is a shit port of an amazing game) and I was googling around when I came across this. I figured any other LoK fans would be interested:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=997613

    Too bad it was cancelled, looked like it mighta been decent. I’m actually more interested in the politics behind the whole thing. The game looks a little derivative.

  • Andrew Thompson.

    got to say. next game is a KotR replay.
    apparently its just me and you Wizard.

  • Welcome Back Otter

    I don’t know, I’ve been playing games since the ’80s and I get where they’re coming from. I find a lot of games these days hold your hand too much. Rarely would I ever get stuck for a long time at one point before finally figuring out what to do next, because modern games tell you exactly what you have to do to advance. Then again, there were plenty of games I could never finish in the 80s for this very reason (and walkthroughs were hard to come by – there was no internet!)

  • Sully

    You’re a byproduct of everything that’s wrong with the world, but since you’re nothing more than a voice on the internet, it’s okay.

  • Sully

    Just a lot of raging into their mic as I continually pop their crowns till they flee to another lobby.

  • Jaws

    gamegirl

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    YAAAAY!

  • Jaws

    bit like somebody walking up to a canvas and painting a red dot in the middle of it and art critics standing around it arguing whether or not it is a work of art and then hanging it up in the Louvre just because and then before ya know it some dude with more dollars then sense pays 300 million for it

  • Jaws

    remember in the end, you’re not looking at the background, you’re not watching the pods, you’re listening to the music

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I like Joan Baez too though, so, I guess I was outed as a commie.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    I thought Gamera was already a female. Ohhhhhhhh….

  • fred

    Gun shot fade to black.

  • Punkster

    Thanks.

  • Punkster

    Yes.

  • Now I Get It

    I rescind my donkey-hat comment. You should wear pearls, but they should look like a clutch of turtle eggs that you’re warming next to your heart. That would truly be cool.

  • Punkster

    down play away. I don’t care

  • Punkster

    Batman: Arkham Origins… It’s crap.

  • Punkster

    Gamemama

  • Jaws

    Until recently most scientists thought they knew what killed off the dinosaurs.
    a new study posits that the asteroid was simply the last piece of bad fortune

    update look we don’t really know to be honest, Ebola?

  • Now I Get It

    Like or like-like?

    Also: how many folk singers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

  • Caustic Vapors

    I’m not a modern gamer- NES & SNES & PS1 were about the pinnacle of my gaming experience, but isn’t there a way on these games to toggle off the “button prompts”?

  • tOmy`

    I am finishing some other scenarios in Roller Coaster Tycoon 1. Because if you spent enough money on a brand new gaming laptop, it is necessary to install the very game that you can run on a toilet paper.

    #GuestsVomitEverywhere

  • tOmy`

    TV Shows update: Justified is still fucking awesome.

    Thank you for your attention, that is all.

  • tOmy`

    Paragon-dat-shit. Go off the social grid.

  • Thanks… now I feel worse *sobs uncontrollably*

  • tOmy`

    On some yes, on some not. But for example: CoD is basic shit when it comes to options and controls. 15 year old games have about 80 times more options.

    For example, in most of them, you cannot even change FOV (field of view). That is a mindblowing decision, considering the game is supposed to be mainly focusing on competitive multiplayer.

  • wondermint

    That was, without exaggeration, one of the worst Games i have ever seen. The Warehousewolves and their Attack Pattern? Wow. ImO, Devs reached a new Low with this “Game”.

  • Sully

    I liked MOH:Underground quite a bit, too.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    all the info you need right here:

    http://www.moddb.com/mods/alchemilla-mod

  • dollar store cashier wife

    House of Cards season 3 airing tommorow.Now that’s a fucking juicy TV shows update.

  • tOmy`

    On my to-do list. With Fargo. After that, I can finally consider myself a sick person, when it comes to TV shows.

  • Sully

    Well… this looks horrible.

    WolfCop
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVd9eTQDbUU

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    A Cop that deflects bullets, but never escapes the thirst for cheap beer and male flesh.

    Wolf Cop

  • Thanatos2k

    I think you mean “console.”

    I’m not sure what condoning the widow will do for anyone.

  • Paulus Nuns

    Super Pang…:D

  • Fuzzy n’cozy that WiiU is. I don’t own one but a friend does. I would like to have one too but I’m going for a new computer in the summer. Yey!

    – Mike Oldfield – Sailing –
    ♫ Cast of those grownup bills away, save them for anotherday! ♫ Ladai da didadidaaa Saaaaail awaaayyy! Yeeeey. ♫

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Ahem, I think you’re thinking of GAMORA from the unreleased 1978 Toho film “A Space Godzilla”… Woah, why did my voice sound so nasal just then?

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Here’s to you, Tapeworm and Bart!

  • Bubs

    Mhmm… you’d be singing a different tune if it was FoxCop….

    Raycyst!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Dan Ryckert isn’t much of an artsy type. He’s more like an idiot really.

  • tOmy`

    Regarding: Gone Girl (gonna keep it quick):
    Mr. Fincher, you are the man and then some. I liked all your movies (as far as I remember), but this just might be your masterpiece.
    Loved the cynical stuff they managed to sneak into the movie – that’s some screenwriting, y’all.
    Ser Reznor and Ser Ross – thumbs up as always. I would like to hug you and tell you that you are both amazing fucked up beings.
    Didn’t feel it’s length at all.
    NPH + Ben Affleck – Never was a big fan of Ben, but I am glad he got this role. I still don’t like him too much, but he did a fine work. I am also glad NPH got to have a little part in this movie. Good for him.
    Go’s character is my second favorite character of this year.

    “You may wanna thank her. Just don’t piss her off.”

    #AllHailTheRobotDog #CoolGirlsGoneWild

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    *projectile vomits into Jaws’ face*

  • tOmy`

    Thanks as well! (Despite not being a part of this conversation, as I already vomited enough random bs into this thread, I was keeping an eye on this.)

  • Masterful! Ingenious! Insane!

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    What is this, a focus group?

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Fargo is brilliant and I wish I could see it again for the first time.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Is that a nosebleed?

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Dirty!

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Whoa, get a room, kids.

  • LukasTheTapeworm

    Dude, don’t out me here!

  • dollar store cashier wife

    I think Fincher’s masterpiece will always be Se7en.He can elevate a mediocre script to something greater on sceen but it’s rare he gets to work with writting worthy of him.

  • Sully

    YOU DAMN SKIPPY!

  • Now I Get It

    Okay, I’m sensing you thought my set-up was rhetorical.

    So:…how many folk singers does it take to screw in a light bulb? Twelve – one to screw in the bulb; eleven to sing about how great the old light bulb was.

    Badum – tell your new boyfriend Joan I said so – tssshhhhh.

  • Thanatos2k

    Specist

  • Galactic Shawn

    Kids these days and their 13 button controllers. Back in my day we had a phallic looking stick controller with 1 red button! We called him Grandpa! Also, we had to select the game difficulty ON THE MOTHER F**KING CONSOLE! Press Grandpa to pay your respect!

  • Jaws

    you’re just trying to hit on me

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    *blush*

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    #Nothing2DoW/GONEGIRL

    You seen 20,000 DAYS ON EARTH yet? I just watched it, but I don’t want to say nothing about it unless you’ve seen it.

  • Jaws
  • Jaws

    Panic Room, was a bit mediocre. it never went ”there” his one trick pony idea of dark morose was nowhere to be found, but I guess he tried that with Alien3 and that sucked too. Hit and miss director, works best with unsettling images, a one trick pony, but he’s pretty fuckin good at that one trick. Fight club, and to a lesser degree Se7en, he actually made Brad Pitt good… not many directors can say that

  • Agreed, 100%

  • Jaws

    which segues into the battle between edward nortan vs jody foster, edward nortan, in red dragon, showed everybody how good, jody foster, is in silence of the lambs.

  • vicomtepicabia

    Don’t know why you’re talking about Gone Girl in the comments section of a video about Mario Bros., but Gone Girl is exactly the sort of nonsense that Mr Plinkett would rip to shreds if it were important enough to bother with. There are a lot of plausibility problems (Amy originally staged it to look like a fake-kidnapping-real-murder so how come later when she says it was actually a real kidnapping does everyone just believe it? How did Amy know NPH’s presence wasn’t accounted for elsewhere on the day of the alleged kidnapping when she on the spur of the moment tried to pin it on him? Why did Amy have to unsuccessfully buy a gun from a homeless man when they live in Missouri and there are plentiful gun stores?), but even bigger than those are the motivation problems. Like this: Amy’s original plan was to commit suicide in order to frame Affleck for murder–she hated him so much that just killing him was too good for him (ya know, she could have still written the fake diary and established the fake history of spousal abuse and then just shot him and claimed self-defense; it’s unlikely she’d be convicted or if she was that she’d serve much time, and surely serving a few years in prison is better than dying, yes?) so why is it that someone willing to die to carry out her plan is later so afraid of the prospect of being unpopular that she ditches the plan without even thinking about it? At first she’s willing to (unnecessarily) die to carry out a (ridiculous) plan, but then later she just abandons that plan for no reason when victory was still within her grasp.

  • Jaws

    and ben affleck

  • tOmy`

    To be honest: Sure, that plot seemed to be way too convoluted to not have plot holes etc., but I was just so happy about the movie I did not exactly care 😉

  • tOmy`

    I am, personally, Fight Club fanboy. Especially because it always comes with an army of fanboys screaming “I am Tyler Durden / Fuck capitalism” without getting the punchline.

    And I loved the book.

  • tOmy`

    Nope. but because I like you, I shall do it this weekend and I will get back to you.

    #Re$pect

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Fight Club is a close second.I personally met some of those “I Am Tyler Durden” type of people all I could think about what is Fincher/Palanchuk’s reaction to people missing the point of it all so wildly.Personally I got a good chuckle out of it.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Gone Girl was more of a commentary on the public image and a satire of gender roles.It’s not a simple thriller where plot is the only thing that matters.If you think that’s the kind of movie Plinkett would rip apart Mike would just laugh at you.

  • Jaws

    fuck you kevin spacey, you ruined this too? what is it with kevins?

  • tOmy`

    Yea, whenever I see someone wearing a Tyler Durden t-shirt, I always think, whether is it because they did not get the “joke”, or they did and they are just being meta or whatever.

  • ArtCarnosaur

    Best game of the previous console generation.

  • DarkFluffy

    CoD MW2 for example was a lot of fun for me. A bit simplistic and often you feel like on railways but fun. It only made me vormit each time that sucker of a commander/general was doing mission briefing in an bloated stinking patriotic manner no REAL soldier would dare to speak such nonsense. But thankfully we can kill him. What counts in the end are not WORDS, you failure of a soldier but bullets! Surprise, surprise…

  • juano morito

    This video is amazing. Friend’s runch brog. Amazing!!!

    http://youtu.be/1twL0hFXE4Q

  • AlcaldeEste

    No, Rich, it doesn’t sound like an outlandish clickbait statement. It sounds like the most safe, boring, non-controversial statement that every aging hipster, i.e. your audience, will agree to.
    In any discussion about games, if you can’t think of anything to say, just complain about CoD. In any discussion about music, if you can’t think of anything to say, just complain about Justin Bieber. In any discussion about movies, if you can’t think of anything to say, just complain about Michael Bay. No need to form an opinion of your own. Just parrot the most common so-called controversial opinion.

  • NotRickBerman

    That’s what she said.

  • NotRickBerman

    PLayed hide the sausage with the wife.

    Didn’t last long though. She always puts it in the fridge so it’s kinda predictable…

  • DarkFluffy

    In “The Last of Us” for example I think it depends on the difficulty level. In “normal” I saw all the buttons I had to use until the final chapter. In hardest mode now I sneak behind a person and no helping text appears (press “Triangel” for surprise attack). What is no real problem besides of a little warning of that change would have been nice because I waited and waited the first times until I was dicovered….

    Really anyoing where these helping “press R3″ pings you will get instand if you begin to search for something only one minute. ..”there…THERE you have to go!” It’s like the game thinks you are to stupid to follow a tunnel. So I turned that off. Survival Horror means also exploration for me. No need for someone to show me the way unasked.

  • Robert Lawson

    And yet you clicked and are responding to this video like any other clickbait video or article ever. I think the joke is on you.

  • DarkFluffy

    It is also one of my favorite games but that “best game” babbling is annoying. There where mutliple titles out there with 90%+ ratings from serious online magazines (not IGN 😉 ) and what is BEST GAME depends on each individual itself. Also Dark Souls is far from beeing perfect. Especial the PC portation. Then PvP is all about backstabbing what is a big joke. No fight between knights should be in that style. Some covenants are plain useless (Gravelord) and battle of stoicism is to date still a mystery to many players and because of that, underused/not used at all. As I wrote earlier it is still one of my favourite games, I love it and the lore. But I’m not blind.

  • Noah R.

    Perhaps, I was just mating with another Wookiee the other day…..

  • John Richards

    Personally I think it might be Zodiac. Tough to say. Zodiac is just such a wonderful evocation of a time and a mood.

  • Kyle

    You seem to be talking about two different things when you say button prompts. On the one hand you’re talking about the problem of quick time events and other forms of pseudo-interactivity where the player isn’t given any choice in what happens in the game, i.e. press X to pay respects. But you’re also talking about the problem of hand-holding where the game is fully interactive but the game always reminds the player of the controls.

    I agree with you completely when it comes to games relying too heavily on quick time events, etc. But when it comes to the hand-holding gripe, I think button prompts are a good alternative to tutorials. They allow you to learn as you play rather than spending time learning the controls before you actually get to start playing. Maybe seeing controller buttons on the screen takes you out of the game, but you could say the same about menus and HUD’s that many game genres couldn’t exist without. And how are you gonna learn the controls if the game doesn’t tell you what they are? Learning how to play inside the game is better than having to read a manual like in the old days. Even when it comes to button prompts appearing later in the game, it’s probably better than having to look through the menus to figure out the controls if you forgot what they were.

    As an answer to the question of what games should do if there are more game actions than there are buttons on the controller, I would give Assassin’s Creed as an example. AC managed to extend the amount of available actions by having the buttons do different things depending on whether you’re holding down a trigger, kind of like shift and other modifier keys on computer keyboards. And lots of games modify the effects of each button depending on the context, e.g. maybe a button is used to talk when you’re standing next to someone and attack when you’re not.

    What do you think of games like Assassin’s Creed and Ocarina of Time where the controls are always displayed in the corner of the screen? Is that form of button prompting acceptable?

  • cajaquarius

    Atheist conservative? Isn’t that Libertarian?

    But yeah, you are right. After Atari ET in the 80’s there was a bust where the video game companies were struggling and smaller publishers and creative bodies were making tides, much like now. Where once stood the likes of Eric Chahe now sit the modern versions, the Indie publishers, who are still free to explore creative boundaries that triple A publishers cannot or won’t due to the assumed risk involved.

  • bullzeye1423

    I really don’t have a problem with button prompting. I feel in some situations it’s better and actually immerses you more in the game. It’s actually a better way to involve you instead of just telling you. That’s one of the things I like about these new gen games. I had no idea this would be an issue or that people would think they’re numbing down games.

  • bullzeye1423

    another Kevin?

  • Mark Bisone

    There is something almost magical about that kind of person. It’s like watching a fish swimming around in a bowl and wondering how conscious it is of its situation. Imagine what it would be like to be an un-ironic shopper at this place:

    http://www.thechestore.com/

  • LoveSW_Prequels

    lol the vents in Batman… “It’s like I’m really kicking a vent!” Always confused me why they put so much work into that.

  • Chris Pendlebury

    I traded my PS4 for a PS3. Yes even the guy at the store said it should really be the other way around.

  • gregCall

    At the risk of sounding “sexist” I’d just point out that in many cases simplifying games is done to make them more accessible to women. I’m not saying women need hand holding, only that many developers and studios have that belief. As an example the “female developer” Brianna Wu recently released a game for women and had all action sequences automated, when she received negative feedback she said it was a conscious choice to make the game more friendly to women who are more accustomed to “casual” type games and would not want to invest in learning character controls.

    Simply put, as long as studios have the idea that women won’t play games without simplified controls, look for more of the type of content Jack and Rich were complaining about.

  • Mehhhhh

    You guys are fucking idiots.

  • reversalmushroom

    It’s just annoying. Games should just be 100% the game, like they used to be.

  • Private_Eyescream

    Arkham Asylum. Where every ventilation system is human-sized, can support a large muscular human’s weight (wearing a rubber armor Batsuit with gadgets), and has an internal lighting system. Because if there is one thing an office worker really desires, it is the opportunity to peer into a well-lit ventilation duct 2 feet from their desks. Because, REASONS!

    And those aren’t “Immersion Breaking” factors?

  • Dthh Isard

    You can tell this guy was a gay because he only typed 5 words and that tends to be the way things are.

  • Dthh Isard

    It’s not sexist since women’s brains are the same size as a squirrel’s brain. And that is a scientific fact.

  • Dthh Isard

    Then the only games sold would be rape/murder simulators without any story. Because those are what I usually play, but they are in japanese.

  • reversalmushroom

    We’re talking about tutorials and quick time events, not story.

  • Private_Eyescream

    GOOGLE[ encyclopediadramatica Brianna_Wu ] AKA Transvestite “John Walker Flynt”

    A criminal scammer, a fake-victim fraudster, engaging in self-trolling for fake sympathy points from morons, a rapist, and a psychopathic drama-nutbag.

    Wu was permanently stripped of her moderator status for abusing her
    position, according to another moderator, in a sign of what was to come
    in a long internet career of dissembling, bullying, smearing and panicky
    deletions as Wu has lurched from self-induced digital crisis to
    self-induced digital crisis over a period of more than a decade.

    GOOGLE[ FAKEHATECRIMES ] (Pretending to be a victim is a money-making industry)

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  • Drew Sabo

    Calling someone “a gay” makes you sound dumber than the mouth-breather you’re attempting to insult.

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