Pre-Rec: Sonic, The Most Overrated Game Ever?

Mario fanboy hack frauds

Not nearly as overrated as Grim Fandango, you f*cking hacks.

GOTTA GO FAST

The one guy looks like the Dean from Community

Eh, you are playing the game as men in your 30s, in 2014, not kids in the 90s. Most games that you loved back then will look and play like turds now. It’s best to leave them as fond memories.

As for a new sonic game, they made Sonic Generation and it did very well.

Overrated, most definitely. However, it is a very fun game– also, the theme song is up there with Super Mario in my opinion.

The first three and S&K were the best, the first is my least favorite.

( Was that Paint it Black in MIDI? Now that’s old school cool! 😀 XD )

As fan of speed, of fast games, Sonic puzzled my little boy’s mind. I heard I was supposed to go fast, but their was no room to run. You just kept bumping into shit. Do you want to be a runner or a platformer Sonic? I thought you were a runner. You broke my heart.

The point is that, at the time of release, it wasn’t overrated compared to other offerings.

Fuck. Fuck. Oh fucking Hell. Ohhhhhh Fuck this. Fuck you Sonic. Fuck. Fuckbar, Fugabar? Fuckbar. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck this whole fucking game. Dumb motherfucker, fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck fuck.

I grew up in a Nintendo household so Sega was never something I cared for. That said, yes, “Sonic the Hedgehog [IS] the most overrated game ever in the history of our lives.”

Rich the Evans is a pre-order DLC character in the new Sonic game.

Sonic was set up more like a side scrolling racer. Sega retained similar mechanics for Nights, Shinobi on the PS2, Gungrave etc. All had similar concepts driving the game design.

I don’t know how to say this without sounding elitist, but Sonic is a lot more fun when you’re better at platformers. Blazing through the levels and reacting to danger in a split second is where the real enjoyment comes from. As they point out, it’s really hard, but pulling it off is one of the most rewarding experiences in classic platforming.

These games were made to be hard so you had to replay them over and over. Eventually you would start memorizing where ‘surprise bullshit’ enemies are, how to quickly get through levels, which secrets are worth your time.

I also hated Sonic as a kid, for the same reason as Rich and Jack, because the game is fucking hard. I owned Sonic 3 and could not get out of the first world until I was like 12. But now as a fully developed neckbeard, I love these games.

I have a feeling part of the enduring success of Sonic as a character, if not a game, is due to furry fandom.

I’ll kill you! I’ll kill you all!

(Dear NSA spies: This is meant to be satire re sociopath gamers who send death threats to developers, games journalists, et al for criticizing aspects of their precious hobby. Thank you and good night)

“Corpse-screws” is the Richism for this episode.

I like James and Rick. I love seeing them in things, but this seems to be the second game that they are sort-of bad at and call it bad because of their lack of skill.

They should make note of this, but that’s not as entertaining. 😛

Most of us would suck ass at the old school games. They are very hard and new games are relatively easy by comparison.

If you rewatch some AVGN episodes (is it okay if I mention him here?), you’ll see he’s bad a lot of the games he plays too. They don’t have time like we did when we were kids to perfect those jumps.

Well only the second image under my name “The Hedgehog” was furry porn, so that’s something.

I don’t hate the Sonic games, I enjoy a lot of them, even the so bad they’re good ones. But I can’t fucking stand the fanbase. You see I’m a creepy weirdo online that has fallen in love with a fictional woman because my girlfriend dumped me because she thought I was fucking my roommate-the point is I might be strange but they’re so fucking creepy and bizarre. They’re all stupid too. They defend nightmare like games like Sonic 06 because they’re are so infatuated with the franchise that to them nothing is wrong.

Yeah, I’d like to double up on the liking Rich and Jack. I absolutely enjoy the show and RLM’s other offerings. Just disagreeing with them is all, but keep it coming.

Don’t forget the Sonic mantra: “FUCK!”

I was disappointed when I didn’t get endless pictures of Cameron Diaz’s head photo shopped onto Tails’ body

This was unimpressive though the editing is great as always. SPIN DASH or hit down while running to solve about 90% of the things you brought up. The game rewards players who fail going too fast forcing them to get to know the levels and then adapt to traverse them quickly on the next go-around. A good player is constantly adjusting and has much better control than what I saw you guys fumble through. Games back then are simple, but they are not meant to be powered through the way you likely did trying to “beat the level” instead of going super fast, learning, and having fun! I’m obviously team Sonic, but you should really watch an adept player navigate a level or two for you. Research a speedrun or something on youtube of someone who put in the time.

Crash Bandicoot wasn’t much of a mascot (I think he was literally retarded or had brain problems) but the Crash games were infinitely better than the Sonic games.

Agreed! I’ve had way more fun playing Crash than I have playing Sonic, even after playing both fairly recently.

What is the tattoo on Jack’s left arm?!

1-3, Crash Team Racing and Crash Bash at Least, basically all the PS1 games, the PS2 Crash games were horrible in my opinion.

Oof.

I cut myself, be careful everyone.

Completely agree Sonic is extremely over-rated. However, it is still a solid platformer but the focus on speed was definitely contradicted in the design. Something people rarely point out.

The one thing i can say is that Sega is a fucking shitty company.

Where’s Yakuza 5? Where’s Power Stone 3 and where’s Shenmue 3 you fucking hack frauds?

I completely agree. We need to see more double teaming on Josh and Rachel.

I know that they must be limited on time, with all the other shows and movies, but I think that if they spent more time educating us about the game’s developers, or history, or easter eggs, or anything, more than this episode did, that they will have another nice show on their roster!

i tried to give this new segment a chance but its gone the way of gamestation 2.0 dick suck. each episode is predictable

*SPOILERS*

If its not a Nintendo or Indy game theyre gonna hate it

He was even played by Steve Urkel back when he was at his peak.

What would you know ‘Big Boss’. You’re a HACK-FRAUD…

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Wow wow wow, crash bandicoot was great

It’s more like it’s punishing rather than difficult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea6UuRTjkKs

Guys guys let’s not parse video game stories for flaws..that’s a bridge of persnickety internet-ness too far.

Just in case people miss it the first time. I would recommend watching a lot of Extra Credits. They are the RLM of video games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea6UuRTjkKs

sonic is punishing? guess you haven’t played many games

Sonic isn’t great, but in the context of the late ’80s early ’90s it was still a good game by most standards (see the AVGN videos for reference, there are literally hundreds of games that were way worse in the years leading up to Sonic). Personally I never really got into the series because I had a Super Nintendo, but I can see why Genesis kids liked his game. That doesn’t really excuse the people who liked his games in the following generations… as they have largely been awful. And the amount of furry fanfic stuff definitely doesn’t do the game’s fanbase any favors.

Sonic’s inception may have been the result of Sega’s hopes in capitalizing on the success of a mascot such as Mario, however, when Sega AM8 (now Sonic Team) was given the task of creating the mascot and his game, the team did a pretty fantastic job. Sonic’s design is brilliant and certainly a large part of his success — but the game he starred in (although flawed) was also damn good. I wouldn’t necessarily call it overrated, but instead, just not to everyone’s taste.

Someone else already mentioned this… that you guys forgot to morphball (or whatever) and that’s the reason why you’re having difficulty going fast.

Well then, perhaps these two Christmas stories from 2012 and 2013 about the boy, after this picture was taken, will make you feel better. It’s rather heartwarming [although a bit poorly written].

His name is Jeremiah Mitchell [which is why it came up when I searched Mitchell the Hedgehog].

“More than $2500 in toys for Jeremiah Mitchell and presents for his mother were donated by employees at Kimberly-Clark. This is the third year Kimberly-Clark has treated Jeremiah to his own personal Christmas.

Michaela Mitchell said her son is doing very well in school, and he’s in third grade but reading at a sixth-grade level. She said that each and every day, she’s amazed at how far he has come.”

http://www.news9.com/story/20407216/tulsa-boy-who-lost-his-limbs-gets-special-christmas-surprise

“He lost both of his arms and legs, but now, at ten years old, Jeremiah continues to amaze doctors, family, and friends. He has learned to ride a bike with his prosthetic legs, and can write with his upper prosthetics.

To help brighten the holidays – paper products company “Kimberly Clark” treated Jeremiah to $4,000 worth of toys and gifts.

12/13/2012 Related Story: 9-Year-Old Meningitis Survivor Guest Of Honor At Benefit For Children’s Hospital

“They keep spoiling us, oh my goodness, they spoil us,” said Michaela Mitchell, Jeremiah’s mother. “Jeremiah has made a request though to Santa Claus that he would like, next year, for other children to get toys.””

http://www.newson6.com/story/24279483/meningitus-survivor-jeremiah-mitchell-gets-visit-from-santa

Why don’t you just let it go?

What’s wrong with his, oh nevermind, fuck it.

I agree. Jack should maybe try to beat the original Crash Bandicoot to refresh his memory. It’s a hardcore platformer.

Yeah, but he died of cancer in April.

………….I like Sly Cooper.

Some guy who can play the game, even tho he’s no expert..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYqxdPe2tFQ

That’s why they punched you in the tits.

I’m just kidding. <3

Do you mean Another World?
If so, then I agree that it was a great game, but Flashback edged it in the gameplay department, both had excellent stories tho..

I always thought the challenge came from figuring out the levels at really high speeds.

Forgot it had more than one title, but yeah, in the states it was “out of this world.” I thought Flashback had clunky gameplay compared to the other though. I also liked the puzzles better in out of this world/another world.

Digging around, it seems Jeremiah got meningitis because he wasn’t vaccinated [although CDC suggests children get the vaccine at 11-12 and a booster at 16] and other people in the community weren’t vaccinated against it.

Yet another area where preventable illnesses are undermined because some conspiracy nut-jobs believe some pseudo-science they read online or felt some dumb celebrity had better arguments than scientists do. This kid suffered due to other people’s wilful ignorance.

I completely fucking disagree with you both, Jack and Rich.

The original Sonic games are fun platformers. They just happen to be fun platformers with a shit-ton of marketing behind them. Can you really blame Sega for that? They were up against the Nintendo juggernaut and had to do something.

Crash Bandicoot 1-3 were also very fun. You guys are just looking for internet controversy.

Oh, shit. I don’t think I ever had my booster. Is it too late when you’re 35?

Am I dead?

What an awful episode. You guys didn’t even understand the basic mechanics of the game, like spinning into enemies. This whole video can be summed up thusly: “We complain about the marketing, which has nothing to do with the gameplay, for most of the episode! We then proceed to suck horribly at the game, run directly into enemies, run BACKWARDS through the level until we get hurt, then blame the game for our ineptitude and say it sucks over and over!”

You guys are going to have to do a lot better than this is you want your channel to succeed on it’s own.

Well speaking of ET, they just announced on Facebook a new Best of the Worst will be out soon. Could they possibly be reviewing Nukie?

I had never played any Sonic game before. I was mostly a Nintendo man, until Playstation came out.

Having said that, you guys need to try what is arguably one of the greatest console games of all time:

Super Metroid.

In spite of all the awesome games out now (which I rather liked The Wolf Among Us by Telltale Games), I still go back and I can speed run through Super Metroid.

Also, I never considered Crash Bandicoot the mascot for the Playstation. I always thought Lara Croft was. But now that she’s on multiple consoles, I can see your point.

Agreed on every point. I always found the Sonic games super underwhelming. Mario games actually felt FASTER.

I’m pleased to see I’m not the only one who enjoys purple sweatshirts from the Walmart Hanes collection. Michael Jordan and Rich Evans and me.

For me the blazing platforming only works for the Casino level. That’s it.

Agreed!

Also, it helps if the player uses the spin-dash move. ;p

Still, it’s a fun show, but not every episode will be a knock out of the park.

I agree with the sentiment of Sonic the Hedgehog being incredibly overrated. I never played it until six years ago, and it just seemed like a sloppily thrown together game. I wonder how much of an impact misplaced nostalgia plays in the history of this series.

Maybe a dumb question, but are hedgehogs known for being particularly fast?

Wasn’t ET a failure in the eyes of all the critics and gamers of the 80’s? I can’t say I’d call that overrated…

When’s the next Plinkett animation from that hack fraud Shaun McKinnon?

Wait…I guess I totally missed it. When did Tomb Raider 2013 hint at lesbianism? A great game, by the way.

The most overrated franchise of all time is Uncharted.

I really don’t get the love for that game, is it any more than a typical 3rd person? I mean decent sure, but anything special? comawn!

…and evidently who still gets butt-hurt by the comparison to this day.

This struck me so funny it hurts. it hurts, stop it.,it hurts..You win the best comment of the day award. Awarded by me, randomly and without true meaning or understanding of the reasons why.

I was wondering why it looked funny.

Quite a poor video. Felt Jack or Rich failed to take into consideration that a video game is designed around the concept of trial and error, which essentially nixes all the hollow whinging about Sonic’s supposedly high difficulty/ “fundamentally flawed” design.

The attempt to criticize the series for encouraging slower exploration of the levels’ hidden sections because the game was marketed for “speed” was beyond grating. That’s the equivalent of saying a game sucks because it encourages different playstyles.

And now I look like a mad fanboy on the internet. Damn you frauds.

“now I look like a mad fanboy”

Nah. Use more Caps Lock and swear words, like ‘fuck’, ‘assholes’, and ‘Bob Saget’.

Crash Bandicoot is an infinitely better game than Sonic.

Playstation didn’t really have a mascot though. Not other than Polygon Man, but he was dropped failry quickly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_Man

If anything, I’d say Parappa the Rapper was more of a PS1 mascot than Crash Bandicoot ever was. Nowadays it seems like it’s Sackboy. Which is fine.

no but seriously, do you really want to be that guy on the internet who’s like “guys, guys, remember, this is just an opinion video” as if no one already fucking knows that?

What’s wrong Taco you seem a little squirmy today. Second guessing yourself? Haha,

an italian plumber eating mushrooms to grow larger and stronger doesn’t exactly make perfect sense either, video games were by nature nonsensical back in the day

Don’t forget that Sonic is getting his own movie. And who could forget this classic?

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Just remember that every popular piece of entertainment in existence has been labelled as overrated.

With that in mind, the word is moot as an attempt at criticism.

Babies can get meningitis from the word go, it can happen. So about that Sonic the Hedgehog feller.

In the moose’s feed bucket. Can’t you read, Stupid Wizard?

You people are all lucky compared to me.

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Nice save at the end there.

It’s really not a major design flaw at all, just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it flawed, and as far as people hating on sonic recently they’re mostly hating on the more recent sonic games which are basically complete crap

Sonic and Mario are completely different games that are designed around different mentalities, the only real the two are compared is because of the great Sega/Nintendo rivalry of the time

And the original Ninja Gaiden for NES is a fucking nightmare, it’s awesome but don’t get me started on those motherfucking birds

No, it’s pretty over rated. The best aspect of the game are the graphics and cut scenes.

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Crash 1-3 are masterpieces

And you bring up a good point with the rivalry between the two companies of the era, they’re actually making a documentary about the “console war” between the two companies, it’s a fascinating part of video game history

-He, what are your names?
-Mario Mario
-Luigi Mario

Something done much better by Sonic 2.

When you consider the mushrooms… it all makes sense.

You couldn’t tell with Lara and Sam’s relationship? It was hinted at but the writers weren’t allowed it I think or something like that. They really wanted to make her a lesbian.

There was this third person shooter called Heretic II that came out at around the same time Tomb Raider II, it was a so much better game, but Tomb Raider II hogged all the attention and sales.

Tomb Raider’s claim to fame was the polygonal boobs. No, in all seriousness the first one was good and influential, but the early sequels were pretty bad. Better graphics, but somehow the gameplay got worse.

Really great games but nothing completely amazing about them.

Maybe there are Nintendo and Indie games that they hate, but they don’t see any reason to talk about them.

On Pre-Rec videos, we should show respect for our hosts. Call them “moopies.”

What’s “vibes”? Also “breaker breaker” and “Black Brigade” look fucking epic. Have you fed your moose laser mission? I’ll bet that moose would like laser mission.

Nostalgia is a mother fucker.

That’s a good point, but then, are hedgehogs known for being really slow or sluggish? You’d think for a contrast like that, you’d use a snail or something.

Blue Cheese?

What’s sad is that I even know that off my head.

Every time I go to Goodwill I get kicked out

Yeah but laser mission…that one’s great.

Rich and Jack are gonna piss off SammyClassicSonicFan

http://www.youtube.com/embed/qQhjJ0BLxT0

Is this a fart joke?

That kid is pissed.

…I don’t think so.

Hmm….I should definitely do another run of the story.

Please stop making videos. You can’t even grasp the idea of flatting out the volume. I need to turn my speakers all the way up to hear your table talk and I end up having Jack screaming in my ear when the gameplay comes up.

And it goes without saying that you don’t know shit about videogames. You’re just trying to come up with things to complain about, like bitching about plot points in a 2d platformer for kids.

Also, sucking at video games =! poor design on the game’s part. I mean seriously, watching your gameplay footage is like watching my 4 year old cousin play racing games.

Pretty lame review. Really highlights how Jack and Rich (as much as I love them) don’t really know that much about games, their history, or the studios behind them. Naughty Dog has been responsible for Crash Bandicoot, Jack and Daxter, and the Uncharted series. All have which have been arguably unofficial mascots of the psx, ps2, and ps3. It’s fine if you guys don’t like the games, but really if you’re going to diss a game like the classic sonics have some cross-examples of how the game design failed and how it could be better. “Slowing – down” the sonic games wouldn’t have made them better it would have just made them more like Mario.

Also all the confirmation biases makes these videos insufferable to watch. If I wanted to watch a bunch of people agreeing with each other instead of challenging the bullshit each other says, I’d go surf reddit or something.

Guys, we’re getting off track…please, this is important.

sorry what?

No, the most overrated game of all time is the Mass Effect series. The first game was pretty good then after that everything sucked.

Blame Santa he does the laundry here in the clouds.

People like Sonic because the sights and sounds in the game are just generally very satisfying and memorable. However the level design and game mechanics are deeply flawed.

If I knew who those people were I’d say you were dating yourself.

I don’t know but I think Chris Evans and a Korean derailed us.

I’m not, I’m stuck in Portland Oregon. Dating barely exists. Most relationships I have last at most three months, the same applies to my friends, co-workers, and people I haven’t met.

KoTOR 2 was not BioWare, sorry if I fanboyed out there. Mass Effect 2 for me is the greatest sequel in gaming history, the first game was great but it wasn’t KoTOR great. Mass Effect 2 improved on so many areas. Not to mention the addition of Miranda Lawson.
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I have a thing for british chicks and japanese chicks.

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It is awesome. All we do in Portland is eat asian food, dress like we’re from the movie Her, and not wear fedoras. Seriously fedoras look stupid on people. I blame tumblr.

You don’t want to go there….

Sonic was the most frustrating game I ever played when I was young and thus I vote it to be: “Most thrown cartridge at a wall”

This is SO unrealistic.

Italians have FAR more hair than that.

I’ve been meaning to watch this. I got a short while into it and forgot to go back and watch the rest. I was enjoying it, too.

Sounds like someone didn’t learn how to Spin Dash!

I wasn’t going to say anything.

I second you saying that “Crash 1-3 are masterpieces”. A bit or personal bias in me agreeing with you, but fuck it!

Get this kid a tablet you stupid parents

Clearly it is a a “don’t tread on me” he grew up on a farm.

All generalizations are true. Absolutely.

Me too, fucking loved that guy.

Don’t take his comment out of context just to be a pretentious dick.

Meow, let’s get back on track.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/8fGFjoeyc6I

What I find most confusing is the concept of gamers or game critics in the 80s.Was this really happening? Quick to the library before the last of the microfiche readers are retired.

It only applies to those…people.

On a more serious note, something that I was just reminded of in the comments down below, I recall playing a video game when my mother broke the news to me that my parents were splitting up.

It was during the late summer of 2003, 11 years ago now. I was sitting on the living room floor cross-legged, like I often did, staring into the TV with PSX controller in hand. I was playing “World’s Scariest Police Chases”, some game loosely based around a TV series on Fox of the same name. I’m not sure how the video game would hold up currently, but I know while I was playing it that I really enjoyed it. I’m getting nostalgic feelings right now just thinking about it, actually.

My parents were in the kitchen having an argument or something. I can’t even recall how long it went on for. Eventually my mother came out and talked with me. I had paused the game most likely. I can’t even remember how she told me or what she said. I can barely remember how I reacted, either. I knew it was a big deal, but I think a small part of me saw it coming.

I knew that things were going to suck, though, and I really wanted to get back to enjoying the more simple task of being a good guy in a cop car stopping bad guys in their cars. Perhaps the game offered me a form of control, giving me power over others to fix things that are wrong, things I didn’t have power or control over in real life. It was also a distraction, as I didn’t want to think or deal with real life right at that moment. There was plenty of time throughout the rest of the summer to think about what my mom told me and to deal with the impending separation, but right then I wanted my own time and space to enjoy playing that video game.

Nearly half my life has passed since then [that gives you a slight clue as to my age] and I’m glad I’ve had the experiences with video games that I’ve had. Nearly all of them are fond memories. There were plenty of times where I’d bond with friends and family over them, kill time honing my skills for something difficult or needlessly wandering a digital landscape, or laugh to the point of tears from something that happened while playing.

I don’t play video games nearly as often anymore [hell, the latest system that I have is a PS2], but I can’t deny the almost magical quality that video games have brought into my life. It feels almost unreal thinking back on some of the memories I have that revolved around them.

Does anybody else have anything in a similar vein? I’d enjoy hearing about them as I feel they probably hold fond or important memories for many other people as well.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ee925OTFBCA

Oh hey look, two guys who are bad at videogames are bashing a venerable, beloved franchise with millions of horrible manbaby fans.

Click click click click click

If you guys are seriously hard up for views or whatever, set up a scarecam, scream at whatever stupid shit spooks the Western world’s 12-year-olds & watch the Mad Internet Dough roll in.

Really? I always wondered why I like the OG better…still liked 2 just fine. But KOTOR man…i still play that game…ME though…i dunno, I wanted to switch between characters and I forget what exactly bugged me about the skill tree or whatever but it just wasn’t for me.

KOTOR 2 with TSLRCM is an absolute masterpiece.

I would be interested in hearing your guys’ thoughts on games like Uncharted and Halo. Both are similar to Sonic in the fact that they were used heavily to sell systems, however, they are both large franchises to this date and are still highly praised and sequels are highly anticipated.

500 milliseconds is half a second; neural reaction time is not negative 250 milliseconds. That would be impossible.

I kinda got something similar.

My dad and I used to play The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past on the SNES together almost every weekend. We would take turns watching each other play and help each other with some of the puzzles. He worked at as truck driver so his weekday hours were a bit wonky, but Saturday mornings were reserved for fighting the evil forces of Ganon.

Hell, one of my earliest memories was watching my father and my uncle play the original Legend of Zelda game on the NES. I just remember watching the screen scroll over to new parts of the map and just staring at them play.

When Ocarina of Time came out, he bought it and we spent all of one Saturday playing it. He wasn’t as used to 3D games as I had become, but he watched on. I spent a lot more time playing than he did, but he didn’t seem to mind.

Unfortunately, in 2004 my father was killed in a truck accident when I was about 12 years old; some college kid fell asleep behind the wheel and my dad swerved to miss him. The kid lived, my father did not.

Ever since then, I have always felt this weird connection to The Legend of Zelda franchise. I think a lot of it was my way of coping with his passing. My Link to the Past cartridge still has his name on one of the save files.

Part of me feels like when I play, my dad is there with me, watching as he once did.

Perhaps I am a bit of a Nintendo fanboy, but it’s what I grew up with, and I have a connection to it that will never fade away. I have owned systems from other companies and played games that I’ve fallen in love with, but nothing will ever compare to The Legend of Zelda.

hey guys, your series is getting more interesting with each episode. i wish you would use 2 DSLRs, instead of just one though. Also, watch the audio level being way louder when you cut to Rich and Jack playing the games on the couch. 😉

Back in the day, around 13, my brother & i decided to go halves in a system. I skipped 2 days of school, hired a super nintendo from the video store on the first day, megadrive the next. Ok lots of cones to smoke, lots of games to play, lets see which baby is the chosen one.

It wasnt really a choice. Megadrive, what a piece of shit. The cheapest clunkiest plastic controller & system. Then sonic came along, I switched it on and the game was finished in a few hours. I had never played before. That’s it game finished. I could have had my eyes shut half the levels. A very underwhelming experience. I remember thinking alone the lines of ‘wtf? before this day i had thought of it as a tough decision.’

Why did anyone buy it or a sega? Was is it your chance to play Altered beast or something. Just really shocked me how much of a piece of crap it was.

The only time anyone ever uses hyperbolic speech is as a cynical cash grab.

Your fan-boner is showing.

I’ve been wondering if Rich and Jack played any video games much as kids? The show is entertaining as fuck by the way, I’m just making an observation here, not hating.
I’ve also wondered if you guys are the experts at RLM on this subject, then I’m not sure what it would be like, if it were Mike and Jay doing this show instead?

Hmmm… Actually… I would enjoy watching that too.
This should be a thing, make it so?

It does when they’re getting paid via donations and patreon and putting their faces on a clickbait video such as this without really bringing any valid criticism.
Jack seems to love clickbaiting and really doesn’t understand how to criticise anything properly, looking at Gamestation 2.0, Rich was by himself bringing up actual valid criticism to the games he reviewed, comparing it to previous installments if there were any, and making sure you got a fair analysis of the game, not just bashing it because they were bad at it, which is the case with this video.

Well, I would argue they get paid to say what they think, not what you think.
Some people will like it, others will not.

Anything new under the sun?
Nope!

I don’t mind if they bash a game I love (Which isn’t really the case with Sonic), let’s say they bring actual criticism on Silent Hill, or Chrono Trigger, or Dark Souls, if they make a video where they criticise these properly and bring out valid points I wouldn’t mind, the problem is that this is supposed to be critic, not opinions, they should get paid for bringing out an actual interesting discussion instead of just clickbaiting by saying the game is bad because they don’t understand it.

Most Illogical

You know what was really unfair though? Them applying logic to the
behavior of the becyborged animals…you can’t do that! First of all you
cant say that as soon as an animal dons a robot exoskeleton that it’s
going to have the same hierarchy of needs obviously having the ability
to rocket spikes out of your back or to fly completely parallel to the
ground and through solid objects and to move perpetually without needing
to eat or sleep is going to change the way you behave…and secondly
its a fucking videogame you noobs! Don’t criticize what you don’t
understand you fucking hacks!

no not really. I’m not beholden to nintendo. I havent bought another of their products since. Im just saying i had these 2 items in front of me for a decent test drive and one was a piece of shit.

Hey , sorry but Sonic is the ‘Transformers’ of video games.
Lights flash, sounds happen.

Hey man, whatever rocks your boat 😉
Be seeing you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFWI2sDZMJ4

Judge Dredd in a comic???

Pure logic Spokky.

I agree on some points. But I cant’ really call it clickbait. I think the format is not to have a indepth discussion nor disection of games. There are plenty of those clips on the tube. I don’t think it is aswell produced as other RLM stuff but I think they make valid points. That Sonic is not aswell made as we pretent it to be and that could be the reason why there are no good remakes. I am not hte biggest fan of the editing and sometimes it gets a little too childish with the jokes. If they would change the format to gamestation 2.0 I would sell my mother to be able to give them more patreon maney.

I thought he was just a message board commentator.

looks kinda like you didn’t know you can spin along the ground

Lol what a noob, No spin dash, no multiplayer . no mention of the creative bonus levels or stages (like pinball) or awesome music (michael jackson did the music for sonic 3).The Game is a lot more fun when you go fast and almost fly thru the level. It isn’t the best game ever,but it’s much better than they were stating

Pretty bad review. Jack went in with bias and worked the shoehorn over on Rich till he gave in and “agreed” (tho Rich reign him in a bit).
Jacks bias was derived on him being butthurt, Mario has to share some minor limelight and him being a total Noob.

Bring back Game Station 2.Rich Evans only.

Mmm, I’d let him touch my naughty bits.

Aw, I really like seeing Jim on camera.

He IS funny and I like his personality.

I want to have his babies.

Maybe this review would have been more positive if either of them bothered to REMOVE THE FORKS FROM THEIR BRAINS AND ROLL

ps. Dr. Ramashandran took the fork I jammed in his brain out so I stuck I firecracker inside instead. Now he watches pre-rec

Jack is my favorite dude at RLM. He’s awesome. Yakui, go eat a sandwich. Go draw some fucking anime.

It wasn’t what you said, it was the way you said it. Put a little more inflection in your voice next time.

The first Sonic game is hardly overrated. I’ve never heard is described as any more than ‘good’

What a fucking hornets nest you have uncovered, guys!

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsar3lx1n41qdf6w8o1_500.gif

If I agree with Jack and Rich that Sonic the Hedgehog blows but then proceed to state that Jazz Jackrabbit was pretty damn good, will the inbound, rage-filled furries get confused?

Call of Duty also feels more like pandering to its 13 year old base. Have any of those kids ever been modded?

I blame the stupidity of fedoras on people who don’t wear suits with fedoras. At least a suit creates a legitimate retro theme. Without it, they just look like hipsters too lazy to devote to the retro-ness of the fedora.

I wonder if they’ll say Nukie is so bad it’s good, or call it the worst “film” they’ve ever seen? The only other person I’ve seen review the movie is the Cinema Snob (the only member of That Guy With The Glasses who I like) and he seems to really hate the movie, and called it one the worst he’s ever seen.

Frankly i never had a problem with Sonic the Hedgehog. Its difficult. But not impossible. It was the Castlevania games that was a Bitch. I had Castlevania Adventures for the Gameboy since i was 9 years old. And to this day i can not beat it without some help (aka Game Genie). Besides Sonic the Hedgehog had one of the best soundtracks for a 16bit video game and frankly i find it as fun to play as any of the Mario Games.

http://www.cafepress.com/+fuck-you-rick-berman+womens-maternity

you’re just bad at sonic. Like really bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOAdhUlkt0

At the time it came out, the graphics were really fresh and vibrant. The spinning character that would wheel around the map and through corckscrews and kill enemies was new and the effective way to play sonic. The soundtrack was really good.

Maybe not the best game of all time, but at the time it was realesed, it was probably top 5.

Face palm.

I think you are being a little bit unfair with the game overall. It is just a difficult game, that doesn’t make it bad. It is true that Sonic started out as a tech demo and was designed to market sega in the west. But the amount of time and care put into it gave you a feeling of speed unseen in this era of game design.
The way i played sonic is more as a mix out of pinball/shoot’m’up. You get in with speed and then learn when to push the right button. Similar to a pinball system. I also liked the dreamcast version of sonic. So much to your argument, that you cannot make a good sonic game today.

After reading this:
http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Development:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%2816-bit%29
i can understand that the main flaw, which is it’s sometimes unfair difficulty came from the idea of appealing to the west.

“As the engine became solid and the visual style of the world grew,
Hirokazu Yasuhara sought to create an experience that did not appeal to
just one particular market. Knowing that the west was more interested in
challenging obstacles while the east tended to be more casual with
their mainstream gaming, Yasuhara wanted to make a game that balanced
both of those qualities. Careful consideration was put into the
construction of each unique zone, Yasuhara working on the level design
of every act. The one level that was recreated time and time again was
the Green Hill Zone, taking half a year until it reached a nearly complete state. As this was the player’s first exposure to what Sonic the Hedgehog
was to be, it was imperative that it have a careful balance of
challenge and fun, also tying into Naka’s philosophy of being able to
better your time and skill through subsequent playthroughs.”

I would call myself a Sonic fan, but I would definitely agree that Sonic 1 and 2 are highly overrated games. I never found the first Sonic to be particularly enjoyable and thought the level design was really counter-intuitive. One of the biggest draws to Sonic games (at least for me) would be the music. At the time, the games had at least semi-memorable soundtracks which were a nice contrast to the simple, re-used themes that ran throughout the Mario games (not that they were bad, it’s just that the music was dependent on the level type, as opposed to Sonic having a unique song for each stage). Even the worst Sonic games have very enjoyable tunes (like Knuckles Chaotix for the failed 32x addon).

On the other hand, I have to say that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (locked on to the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge) is leaps and bounds better than the first two games. It’s far less frustrating, the levels are designed much more intelligently to provide more variety of speed sections, platforming and exploration. There’s an entire sub-quest built around obtaining 7 chaos emeralds and 7 super emeralds for each playable character, which unlocks a unique “super” mode for each of them that has different functions. The levels had separate paths that were only accessible to whatever character you were controlling (whether it be Sonic, Tails or Knuckles) and pretty much every stage had really enjoyable 16 bit tunes.

As far as modern Sonic goes, I couldn’t agree more that he’s been pretty much a massive failure since the Genesis era ended. The Sonic Adventure games are remembered fondly by the obsessive Sonic community but they’re pretty much abysmal games that only have a few good sections, primarily the ones where you’re controlling Sonic (or Shadow, I guess). Sonic Generations got it right, which is likely because they made “classic” versions of every stage that you control a 2D Sonic in – with much, much better stage design than what you’d expect from the Genesis era (way less cheap deaths due to horribly placed hazards, way less dependency on 1 millisecond respond time to avoid an enemy). They also managed to make the “modern” stages so simple and easy to control that it actually felt fun to hold in one button for the majority of the stage and jump and steer every now and then. Sonic Colors managed the same thing, but what are two games in a sea of bad releases?

Mario is still better, though. In every way. Nintendo has always had much more imaginative and skilled developers, and they will always be the king of the platforming genre. Even the worst Mario game (NSMB2?) is more fun and interesting than the best Sonic game. At least a Mario game won’t make me cringe thanks to Nintendo choosing to avoid adding arbitrary voice acting to a genre that really, really doesn’t need it.

Oh my Friggin Lord!! 😀

JIM?!

His name is AIDS Moby, you clown!

I don’t know if Sonic is highly regarded enough to be considered overrated. Opinions differ pretty wildly, in my experience.

Guys… PLEASE… I watched like 30 seconds of this and then looked at the comments and realized where it was going so I stopped. STOP REVIEWING VIDEOGAMES. Just stop, it’s embarrassing and your pissing off your fans. Stick to movies, please.

First off, it seems like these guys forgot about ROLLING. That when you go fast, if you roll, you can “break” the enemies. I only bring it up because they don’t show ANY footage of the rolling as Sonic. Secondly they forget what games were like back then. They were difficult for replayability. You were supposed to memorize levels and react before. I am not saying this is good game design, but it is what it is. If you want to judge 16 bit games by today’s standards everything is going to be over-rated and hard as hell. I just don’t agree that Sonic is over-rated. The level design for me was about two competing play-styles. You had the route where you could go fast and try and get the ring to pop up so you could try for the chaos emerald and then you had the “exploratory” route, where you would take your time and have power-ups and extra lives.

Maybe I am viewing this too much through nostalgia, I just have different memories of Sonic. I really enjoyed Sonic 1 (except for World 4, fuck that level) but I do kind of have to agree with the design being flawed fundamentally. Though I think it could be fixed and made into a fun game these days.

the Genesis Sonic games have a time limit of 10 minutes per stage. The clock counts up mostly for speedrun purposes.

I think you’re drastically over-estimating how much anyone at RLM gives a shit about furries.

>I watched like 30 seconds
>STOP REVIEWING VIDEOGAMES

Very informed opinion.

Heroin.
You should quote the video which is going to be the next 15 minutes of my life with more attention.
And for that, Sir, I thank you 😉

I’ve only heard about them in porn sites.
Need to learn more references, I guess.

Like their very informed opinions on games? My point was that after the Titanfall vid, I could see where this was going and didn’t want to get annoyed so I quit.

Yes.

Deadpan is the way to go. Confuse your listeners. Make them question your sanity.

I’m on a soapbox. I’m allowed to get as angry as I want on here, right?

I quoted the video and then put the video is as an afterthought.

I have brought great dishonour to my family. Forgive me.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4267597/zoidberg-seppuku-o-s.gif

Warning: Typing seppuku into Google Images will give you more anime porn than you’d expect.

Wait.. wa.. they’re just PRETENDING!?
But mister Plinkett is real right? RIGHT!?

If that was your point then it would have made sense to include it in your original comment. Instead it seems you watched only 30 seconds, read comments, and then came to a hasty conclusion.

Them voicing their uninformed opinions isn’t a good defence for you voicing your uninformed opinions.

Also, before anyone assumes I’m defending them, I actually disagree with their opinions about Sonic, but that doesn’t mean I agree with everyone who disagrees with them.

Look what you’ve made me do. You made me actually show signs that I care. There goes all my cool points and street cred. Jerk.

He’s a dude???

Even if I don’t agree with their opinions in this video, I must say I haven’t seen the comments this heated since their Man of Steel review.

My snacks are ready.

You’re right, my bad on being too obtuse. Apologies, it’s been a rough morning. I should have prefaced by saying that I’ve watched all their previous videos, so I’ve gotten a feel for what they’re like. They were fun, but the negativity was a little grating. Wasn’t familiar with any of the games though, so I just rolled with it. Then the Titanfall vid came out and that’s where I formed this opinion. Watched that whole vid and was a little shocked.

I should note I’m not a Titanfall fanboy. I love the game, but I think it has a lot of flaws. But they didn’t address those flaws, they just complained about not understanding how it’s played and getting trashed by people who do.

When I saw this video posted it seemed like obvious clickbait because it’s auto-controversy as Sonic has a very devoted fanbase (one I’m not actually a part of). I’d like to think it’s not actually clickbait because that doesn’t seem to be how RLM rolls, but after watching a little bit of it (30 secs was hyperbole, I watched a few minutes, really) I could see it would just be the Titanfall video all over again.

I really love RLM and I’m not trying to troll or anything. This is honestly my favorite website, so I think I’m just feeling upset because PreRec seems so antithetical to the spirit of the site, which is generally based around good criticism. This is BAD criticism, really bad, and it bums me out because I love the site.

I also can’t quite figure out what kind of gamers these guys are. After Titanfall, they seemed like grumpy old gamers, guys who really love that golden age of SNES and Genesis and lament the overly serious, gritty and brown-tinted FPS-dominated world spawned by Call of Duty. But after this, I just can’t figure them out. As far as I can tell they’re gamers that aren’t very good at playing games and just like to complain about it.

I think they go more for rpgs.

Sorry to interrupt, I’ll be right out but yes.
They did.

It’s also cut to show mostly their fails, so it’s gonna look that way if you don’t think about the big picture.

That makes sense, hence all the Mass Effect jokes. But then, if they hate all this other stuff, why bother even reviewing it?

I think Rich’s joking about “Controversy” was a way to cover things, even when he doesn’t strikes me as the kind of person who cares or even knows what furries are. Jack though seems to me to be the kind of person who would actually do clickbait, specially since it was his idea to call Sonic “The most overrated game ever”, when the video could have just been “Pre-Rec: Sonic The Hedgehog”.

Man of Steel’s comments were just embarrassing, though.

They ARE right in that Sonic games weren’t about being fast all the time. The new games focus on that ONE gameplay element but the originals were about careful platforming and knowing when to speed up. Learning where shit was going to pop out and hurt you helped too. One you learned a level, you could cook through that bitch full-blast parkour style.

That’s ultimately an editorial decision, but I agree with you on this one.
I think they should have started with the big hitters.

A well reasoned response. I am impressed and agree with you, so I will savour this rare internet moment.

Although, you did call this a website and not a ‘webzone’. YOU’RE A HACK FRAUD!

I find these entertaining, but I’m in the group that doesn’t play video games often [at least in this part of my life] so I can’t compare their criticisms with my own experience. That ended, however, with this Sonic video, where I felt they weer being a bit too all-encompassing with their views. I feel, like many others have posted, that they would have a better opinion of the game if they knew how to play it better.

I haven’t figured out what exactly Pre-Rec is, though. I feel it’s different enough from other RLM content that it’s been given its own YouTube channel. It seems like two guys talking about games, but they delve into critic territory.

Their most recent two videos it seems like their failure to understand the gaming controls is what lead them to have negative opinions of them.

I think my favourite part was that annoying recurring ‘Marvel fanboy’ comment, one that commenters then turned around and used against the original poster.

And I’ve got AIDS.

He can’t believe he’s got AIIIIIIIIIIIDS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA-MoS9FZHQ

Ha ha 😀
See now why the seppuku would be a waste?

Thanks. 😛 What’s funny is that Secretly Canadian is secretly American! :O

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretly_Canadian

Of course it is. Plinket is down there in Hell (we saw his house falling down there in Half in the Bag) and when we die, we will join him for all eternity.

50 milliseconds, my badz

You need to roll and spin dash guys c’mon. Not rolling or spin dashing in Sonic is like never blocking in Street Fighter!!!!

Look, you don’t like Sonic games because you are bad at playing them. I expect that you are trolling us with this review, I could only watch it to the 7:14 mark.

I loved the Marvelite comments because they were so easy to refute, even I could do it.
Like, you really just need to point the commenter to the Dark Knight Rises review. Mike says that Rises and Avengers were both great movies in their own realms, whereas Amazing Spiderman sucked because it tried to emulate the Nolan-esque dark and brooding style when it should have been lighter and fun.
So, Mike complimented a Marvel movie and a DC movie in the same sentence and, STILL IN THE SAME SENTENCE, he bashed a movie starring a Marvel character.
I detect some DC bias from Mike.
Fucking dick-riding DC fanboy.

Good review, and as a former soldier of the Genesis console wars, I agree! I was never any good at Sonic, and now I know why. Now, Ecco the Dolphin was probably the best game ever on that console.

Also keep in mind that games were fucking hard back then. Try Budokan, or Shinobi series… man, you needed the reflexes of a 11 year old to keep up.

Hey guys: Your sound levels are all over the place on this video. You went from too quiet to hear in the studio to blasting me back in the chair when you were playing. Just a constructive criticism.

Keep up the good work!

If Sonic is 30 fps, then 8 f/30 fps is 0.26 s [why Jack said it was about a quarter of a second].

That gives roughly 67 milliseconds to react if the 200 millisecond average is correct.

Also, when looking back at my comment after I woke up, I figured you might have just added an extra 0 and meant 50 milliseconds. Made things so much more clear. 😉

This whole thing is a bit moot, though, if a spin attack could have killed the enemy.

Thank you for making this video. Sonic has always sucked and those Sega games where terrible. Sega was a worthless system anyways. I’ve hated these games for the very reasons you mentioned in your video. Great analysis.

I have prepared a 108 page response to your so called Sonic the Hedgehog review. I will now retype it and post it here using my filth encrusted Tandy 2000 keyboard.

Chapter 1 Paragraph 1
If you didn’t enjoy the Sonic the Hedgehog games then you’re stupidpants. You simply don’t understand the complexity of what happened in the games. I will refrain from explaining the complexity, because it is so complex and technical you do not need to understand it to enjoy the games. It is like a very deep game of chess where both players don’t know how to play chess. Thusly my review of Richard Jack’s review of Sonic the Hedgehog will focus on the review itself.

Chapter 1 Paragraph 2

Judging by Rich’s attraction to green and Jack’s milky white skeletor like build and complexion it is obvious that they are both shills for Nintendo’s vast decaying empire. This is all the more apparent as Rich has attempts to hide his Luigi green shirt underneath his iconic Aiden Pearce Hoodie. At first glance you would think he’s a PS4 fanboy, but dig below the surface of the hoodie and the truth is all the more apparent. Jack on the other hand continues daily to bear a more and more striking resemblance to Emperor Palpatine, a problem that can only be explained by his seduction to Nintendo side.

Chapter 1 Paragraph 3

Another problem with this review is I don’t like Jack and his stupid bald skeletor like face and it’s stupid dumb expressions. He should eat a dick and die. Seriously everything at RLM is ruined whenever somebody that isn’t Mike Stoklasa or Dick Evans is on the screen. And judging by the body language, as an avid studier of the subject, I could tell that there was a lot of tension of perhaps a sexual nature. I recommend that Jack be castrated for future episodes to end this tension.

Chapter 1 Paragraph 4

Another problem is the title is utter click bait. From a pure critical perspective it is better if your titles are as vague and uncontroversial as possible. When I saw this title I felt a thousand enraged .tumblr furries and sega fanboys cry out in anger. How dare you ruin their day by not sharing in their love for this milestone in gaming. How dare you have an opinion that is not mine! How dare you make me do this to you!

Are you aware of emulators?
Could save you the trip and give you hours of fun 😉

http://www.emulator-zone.com/

“The soundtrack was really good.”

I agree. Even though i only know the first level song because I never got any further than that due to being impatient and useless.

Its stylistically designed to be that way.

I’m glad you’ve come around to our side of things. It seems that the thunderstorm that kicked me off my dial up connection has cut off my 108 page response. I shall continue it after the storm passes, so that my effort is not wasted.

Well said.

They played Sonic in their very first twitch stream.
They know hot to use your damn roll.
That’s clearly not the problem.
What’s up with everyone bringing up rolling?

Sonic is a fun memory and reaction test. You do actually have to make an effort with it. The feeling of zipping through a level by reacting with split second timing, combined with a very good soundtrack makes for a fun gaming experience.

Tails is a right twat though.

He’s probably too busy to make them now after setting his SEO business.

For those that have never heard of a Sega Genesis, it was called the Mega Drive outside of North America.

I used to think of RLM as a blessed isle of normality in the frothing sea of hipster ink and body modifications.

Ah, well.

So, he could really use that “AIDS: A Positive Approach” VHS tape he was talking about in one of the WOTW.

I think I smell what’s going on. Here’s hard evidence that Jack likes to cosplay as Josef Stalin: infamous mantarded fanbaby cockfluffer of the Nintendope hive mind. Nice try, asshole, but we are fart oo smert for you.

Hard to take your opinion too seriously after watching the montage of you being terrible at the games. Roll you idiots, roll!

hello jack..

http://youtu.be/WoCb_dilGJA?t=1m43s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErnMC7xokQ8

The easy answer is gamers are mostly assholes. And it’s true.

But I can think of a few reasons Pre-Rec isn’t greatly received, though I don’t mind it much personally.

Part of it is the fact that you can buy them as an authority on movies. They’re knowledgeable about the medium and its history and it shows in their information and opinions. They talk about movies not just on he level of critics but as filmmakers.

But as far as games go they don’t come across as quite as educated on the history or on the subject of game design. Also riffing on games is something that’s been done to death online since the AVGN and while they bring their own unique spin to reviewing movies, they aren’t really doing anything new for game reviews.

All that said I hope Pre-Rec continues. There’s nothing wrong with hearing opinions from a different angle.

The people who really really really really love Sonic are just asshole who can’t see something they love objectively. This results in a 150 page rebuttal

I actually like the level design of the Sonic games. There’s a lot more to each level then you think on an initial run. Unfortunately, slow Sonic is sort of a bummer (especially when going up hill,) so the game doesn’t encourage you to explore. I could do without the level timer as well. However, my 3 year old loves Sonic 2 (because of Tails.) It’s practically the only game he’s interested in playing.

Sonic 1? Perhaps. Sonic 3 and Knuckles? Not at all.

By the way, speaking of Sonic, here’s another example of people making a game because the original developers are incompetent
failures and are unable to do so anymore – it’s a real Sonic the
Hedgehog game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMEmcVRNZvI

I only wear fedoras if I have the right clothes, if you don’t well you look like you belong in minecon

I think it’s because lately they haven’t been up to par to excellent RLM quality we all know and expect.I know now I’ll be looked down upon as a butthurt sonic or titanfall fan or whatever shit but it’s just not fun or interesting seeing them suck miserably at these games and then presenting very broad generalisations or the genres these games occupy or really narrow understanding or mechanics as strong arguments.

Go back to the domain know as tumblr, you overrated she-witch.

I feel like it should just take a different approach, something we haven’t seen before since as you said, this isn’t really doing anything new. This isn’t Game Informer, so these guys doing a straight review is never going to be super satisfying. I’m not sure WHAT they should do instead of the current format- best idea off the top of my head is basically the BOTW equivalent of videogames- just play really bad games and see how far they can get without giving up.

Actually it looked like most of the times they got hit by enemies was because they were just running and not rolling. You should be rolling almost the entire game! It should be your default state of being.

Their twitch streams are pretty good.They play the game and constantly go on tangent topic disscussions.It’s like every other lets player/twitch streamer out there but the difference is RLM crew has actual personality as opposed to mongoloids who just try to imitate pewdiepie hoping to make it big so it’s actually fun hearing them just having a conversation for 5 hours lol.

That was after the Sonic franchise was already firmly in the toilet.

I think it’s because the Pre-rec stuff comes across as painfully uninformed. Mike and Jay know a lot about moviemaking and can explain why the things they hate fail as movies. These idiots are constantly misunderstanding basic parts of the games they play, to the point that even if I agree with what they’re saying, they still fail to make good points. It’s especially terrible since there’s so goddamn much video game review and analysis content out there that’s both more interesting and better articulated (and informed) than pre-rec.

To this day I insist that their last names are Mario. It enrages fanboys, so it must be right.

I really enjoyed the XCOM one.

Did none of you watch the RLM Compilation Volume 1 Making of Plinkett documentary? Furries are responsible for the success of this site.

Also why weren’t you guys ever rolling? You press down while you’re running. It didn’t look like you were ever rolling. That’s not how you play the game.

Roll! Roll damn you! You wouldn’t need time to react if you were rolling because that’s how you kill enemies!

They have established that for movies – they really know what they’re talking about. They can analyze the development aspects of movies beyond just whether the story and characters are good or not.

They aren’t that knowledgeable about video games. They’re just throwing guys in front of a TV and asking them about their opinions. That’s not nearly the quality of RLM’s other critique.

Worse, the criticisms that they emphasize are just wrong. The whole reaction time part of this episode just has you screaming at the screen “WHY AREN’T YOU ROLLING?” and it completely undermines the point they’re trying to make.

I would enjoy their stream more if they had the Kurlan naiskos sound every time someone subbed. http://youtu.be/Zqb9q3c1Pxo?t=5m54s

and if you get hit you can just keep running because there are rings fucking everywhere.

It’s really the greatest thing ever.

Yes. And it sounded cool! http://s3k.ocremix.org/php/media.php

The best way to play a lot of games, such as Mario and Donkey Kong Country, is to rocket through the levels. People who don’t do that seem to always be the ones who complain that the games are overrated.

True, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play a mash-up of Rocket Knight and Mega Man Zero.

They’re planning to make to make a CGI animated Sonic film. Now to bust your balls…it will be a live action mix.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/801/106/9f5.png

Agreed but I guess it’s more marketable to act like it’s the reborn beaten corpse of Sonic than a fresh take on either of those two great series. Sure looks better than that awful failed Rocket Knight reboot they put out a couple years.

I know comics and a couple of animated series were made. I don’t think I’ve ever read a Mario Comic or seen a Mario animated series.

The music is phenomenal in Sonic. Stage two in Sonic 2 would have made an excellent Michael Jackson song. My favorite from Sonic 3 is Ice Cap Zone. The original from ’82 is good as well.

http://youtu.be/hYxlqTpZ-24

http://youtu.be/H2OWC5Hosv8

Crash Bash was trash.
boring Mario Party clone. wasn’t even made by Naughty Dog.

Bloody hell, it’s been years since I heard that.
Thanks!

Really??
..did it have to come to this?
Come on! Don´t try to convince me about how overrated this game is, shall I remind you that this game came before Super Mario World and the SNES and that at the time Sonic was no doubt the fastest and BEST looking game on any “affordable” home console??
of course it was overrated, hyped and shoved down our throats!!
And we just loved it!!! it was a big Fuck you from Sega to Nintendo, and all Sega owners enjoyed veeery much while it lasted…

Rich was hoping to talk about Sonic – the drive-thru fast food chain.

Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McHackenfrueds. Think! I gotta have time
to get them retyped. Do you realize what would happen if I hand in my
reports in your handwriting? I’ll get fired. You wouldn’t want that to
happen, would ya? Would ya?

Sally from the Sonic cartoon was my first crush as a mostly-confused nine-year-old.

I would have put the chili dog directly inside the princess hole Coney Island style and it would have been messy.

Rocking the chaos emerald?

Space Cop: he’s guy who’s a cop from space

In the not too distant future…

How dare you…. Crash Bandicoot was amazing… he was the king of platformers till naughty dog sold the rights to him. also crash team racing > any cart racing game ever.

Sonic was more of a hand/eye coordination game. The speed works, but you have to be quick with the thumbs.
Something else to add… when you’re running and an enemy appears in front of you, your Mario instincts tell you to jump, when you should actually be pressing *down* on the D-pad for a rolling spin attack.

Way to break the 4th wall! 😉

My 6yr old is a Sonic nut, too. He’s recently *discovered* Mario, but he’s still all about the Sonic Universe, specifically the 2nd tier characters like Shadow.

FINALLY SOMEONE IS WITH ME! Sonic as a franchise was always over-rated and shitty. People have bitched for decades about no good new sonic games coming out, yet only 2 good games in the series are barely passable as “meh”. A cool concept that was NEVER executed very well at all.

Nice, ordered one for all my babies’ mamas.

“I’m OK with Bluup”? Heck, Rich probably makes that sound several times a day! <3

As a side-note, I'm really enjoying all the extra post-production touches in these last couple videos… you big party-poopers…

Fuck they did :(. The dark souls one fucking rocked. And I love XCOM.

That’s the real question. Is Pre Rec the most overrated show on RLM? Watch the video and read the comments and I’ll let you decide…

but the answer’s yes

No, he didn’t. Stop calling attention to yourself.

OH FUCK YOU! Crash Bandicoot was awesome, at least the first 3 games were, but no seriously, they were good games, regardless of how you feel about the character

as for Sonic, I agree, shit sucks

Unlike movies which are designed to be viewed in groups, solitude is the norm for video games, which makes them very attractive to social retards with too much time on their hands.

Crash was basically, and even featured in Official sony ads and so on because it was exclusive. The first tomb raider was not exclusive to PS1 and sony had no involvement

When I gotta go fast, it’s an utmost priority that my shoes are tied.

GOTTA DIE FAST

“Average human reaction time”

Rich Evans is a god, yet even he couldn’t master this.

What is going on?! My faith … being tested, it is.

Fart.

Whichever way the bubbles go is up.

I’m impressed.

Not by their gaming abilities, but by how long they can stand all that collective body odour.

Still one of my favorite “places” on the Sega platform.

Sonic had overall a rad soundtrack going for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmdseeZBiz4

Stay true! Unbelivers will burn when Space Cop arrives!

The plot thickens.

Wish they could have elaborated on why Sonic was better than Crash. I mean Crash did have some annoying marketing but Naughty Dog did an amazing job with the games and he became the mascot after the fact. It was between him and Spyro. I do think your argument about there not being a good Sonic game now is kind of flawed.
Platform gaming has become such a neglected genre. Nintendo did well enough with Mario Galaxy series and those New Super Mario Games but before those they really had nothing to offer with Mario other than Sunshine which was made around the whole GCN marketing of hey look at our water effects. Mario, Sonic, Crash, Spyro they just didn’t make it into the 2000s. The creators went on to other projects which was more favorable. We got Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, and Sly Cooper. Now those characters have fallen behind.

It’s actually kind of funny that the consoles and the companies were picking these platforming characters for marketing and all that but by the PS3 generation they shifted to console gimmicks for sales. Nintendo had platforming character Mario so any other console had to follow suit with their own character. Nintendo introduces waggle controls so the other consoles focus on that next.

Mikes on record saying he wants to play Dr. Mario. Jack has Dr. Mario on Wii. Hook that shit up, put on Chill, and you got yourself a stream. http://youtu.be/RsBtQCDbTWc

I’m with you on this one. Thanks for bringing it up. It kinda drags the whole comment section down seeing to much real negative comments. It’s not as fun or entertaining or educational(what ever that means around here) when people are genuinely offensive.

For me I did not like Pre Rec from the start. It felt akward and didn’t come across as anything usefull/funny. Comparing it to HitB, BotW or Gamestation 2.0 is of course not fair but I ould not help it. It didn’t live up to the other shows. So i did not watch it until Titanfall. But now i’ve watched them and am starting to like them.

I love Rich and Jack but at the same time I don’t get enough from the show. I think it’s a good idea and its not fair to demand 100% genuine RLMquality. I think there has to bee room to try new things. So I watch the show and I think that it will get better and many like the casual gaming feel to it so who am I to argue what others like or not.

And i think you get along way with being kind, encuraging and understanding. It’s not easy making good content. And I think Jack and Rich have a good thing going and it has to be seen from what it is. It’s not heavyduty gamecritic material and it’s not ment to be a comedy segment mixed with a review. It’s casual gaming mixed with a review mixed with things we already know.

Maybe this is what bothers most people. I don’t know. It bothered me in the beginning. But thinking about it I have to say that RLM including Jack has alot of credit and if this becomes something they see as a failure and shut it down I would still support them and hope they churn out more useless hackfraud content. And also I think it’s so damn easy to be an a**hole on the internet because there are no consequences and you can easily make people that you don’t know very angry. It’s not like youtube here. i don’t think I could survive that.

If this sh**turd goes belly up I’m going down with it. Life without Rich Evans is meaningless.

ah ah
I’m thinking “meesa like the pizza” from the audio commentary

Just saw the whole trilogy, oh man!
“Would you like to buy some drugs, Larry?”
ha ha ha 😀

I know what game Pre-Rec has to feature next: The Horse Ninja Movie licensed game, “Crouching Pony, Hidden Dragon”

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/586908646041455071/A00EF3BBAF29527F6C9001926EBB0CE93DFFB095/

Wasn’t there a rumor Micheal Jackson was actually asked to make music for the game? They actually had contact with him because of the MJ game. From what I remember from one of them internet videos MJ actually made the songs but they were never used for some reason, they had to redesign music and ended up going for that MJ vibe. Correct me if I got it backwards though, just going off the top of my head.

You think it is bad on RLM, Click on the youtube button in the player and witness the wrath of the Sonic fanboys lol. I think it got a 50% down-vote. Those guys are pretty crazy though, they’ve been keeping that mediocre to awful series alive for 20 years,..

Also video-game fanboys are are pretty horrible overall, everything they say has an agenda to support a console of their choice. Better to just ignore it.

Ah the “Last idea ever,” has made it to video game too.
Mike shall be pleased to hear this and that he has inspired a generation of game developers, comic book readers and movie goers. All free of charge as well… Truly an inspiration to humanity.

I would like to see Jack and Rich tackle the highly sophisticated “Goat Simulator,” some time in the near future.
Although having just clicked on that link of yours, I am more curious about that game now.

I wonder if there is a Horse Ninja Audio book coming out soon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtCtQpclpY8

I like both Jack and Rich a lot but certainly when talking about old games it would probably be good to take a slightly more measured approach. You are both insightful people and insights and beliefs about a game you have some exposure to is good. But as much as I love all new RLM content I still feel like the show hasn’t quite found it’s footing just because measured thoughtfulness from 2 funny likeable people is something great, but we don’t want another video game review show that’s about raging at something for being terribad. And I’d say this video was 9 parts the former and 1 part the latter.

Just keep at it, Jack/Rich. You are very likable insightful people, just keep your opinions and thoughts measured particularly when it comes to older games, because with any person reviewing any old game there are just so many people out there who have spent so much more time playing and thinking about these games than you that if you were to throw out a strongly worded but invalid criticism it will rub people the wrong way and distract from what I think you are setting out to do which is release a thoughtful and pleasant conversation show about games and gaming.

I look forward to your next episode, keep at it, guys.

I don’t about you but I actually watched that video and the first thing I noticed is that it was a lot more measured and less just lashing out than all their previous pre rec videos.

Ok, I’m here with nerd-science in defence of Rich! 8 frames was the point of impact, which means he has to react before that, so:
7 frames @ 30fps = 233ms

However, if I recall, those drill-beaked enemies couldn’t be rolled into, so you’ll have to jump it, and jumping requires more than a 1 frame elapse to clear the drill, so in a best case scenario you’re looking at 6 frames:
6 frames @ 30fps = 200ms

Verdict: Superhuman reaction time required!

The auto correct changed it. I thought it looked funny. Already edited. Thanks.

And this is why you are the Boss, Nass.

The spikes that come out of the wall is a failure to telegraph. There is no clear indication to avoid the spikes. That you can just grab a ring is just short iteration time.The only way to play around it is to remember that these walls and floor that have no distinctive markings can shoot spikes.

Someone didn’t pay their Patreon bill.

Pfft… Mario had a live-action movie. Take that, Sonikku!

Even I know how!

And the point was?

http://darkcornerdesigns.net/0OkkoResized.jpg

Well as far as user friendliness is concerned your 80’s to mid 90’s era developers were seniored and largely staffed by late seventies era arcade programmers. So the design philosophy of kill the player so he feeds more quarters in morphed into kill the player so this game has replay value. It wasn’t really true for the latter but old habits die hard.

Now the narrative and teenage ego coddling boom of the new millennium of gaming has swung that pendulum in the opposite direction. For example I was playing Wolfenstein: New Order which is a game best described as pretending its a scifi inglorious bastards but really it’s a teenage boy’s first movie theater hand job. On normal difficulty the enemy’s accuracy is Stormtrooperesque and that is putting it mildly. They are hopeless when engaged from a sensible combat distance and can’t seem to hit unless they are less than ten feet away. Stealth breaks the difficulty curve even further as it seems that you can’t be spotted from crouching unless your literally kissing the jackbooted thug not to mention that the throwing knife kills everything that doesn’t have armor and patrol don’t seem to care that corpses are piling up in their route. Yet aside from the nauseatingly simple difficulty curve the game can’t help but remind you how awesome you are with a cathartic chainsaw scene at the beginning of chapter 3 punctuated with an inexplicable sex scene with no purpose than to stroke the ego of the fourteen year old boy this was designed for and to as

You’re right. Sonic 3’s end credits are straight Michael. Here is a good explanation of what happened.

http://info.sonicretro.org/Michael_Jackson_Involvement_with_Sonic_3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_oUfB6-JF4

Seriously, boys. Giant fuck-up on this review. Either intentionally or unknowingly leaving out the fact that hitting down whilst running lets you spin dash through enemies. It pretty much negates the entire review.

Rich Evans and Jack pulled an all-new low with Mike and Jay’s running shtick.

Come for the videos, stay for the comments.

I JUST got that this was an Episode I reference now.

It’s almost as if my brain was trying to forget that awful turd, but I forced it to succumb to the Dark Side.

“Awarded by me, randomly and without true meaning or understanding of the reasons why.”

Those are the best kinds of awards.

Sonic needs to make a commercial with Space Cop to help promote the film whenever it comes out. They also need to have Space Cop themed toys with their kids meals.

Thanks. It’s alot of fun here. Started commenting a few months ago. Really enjoy it!

It’s not the same. It’s like wathing the Grabowskis without the ability to laugh.

A live-action movie that is probably worse than Supergirl.

what was the previously recorded that showed the blue guy running from something…was he running from the black goo…was the black goo attacking him…if he was running away from the black goo attacking him and trying to kill him then why was the small robots turning into animals…were they also the black goo….was the black goo responsible for jacks shoe laces… should’t he be running away from that shoe…did he forget his wallet in there….hey guys have you seen previousy recorded? what’s previously recorded?

I just now remembered that I had an RLM dream last night.

I was at my old house in the shabby basement with Mike and Jay [shabby as in the cement foundation was what we had for flooring and walls, as the diving walls for the rooms were torn down]. I was helping them set up equipment and stuff for a video shoot.

I can’t recall exactly what happened, but I remember going over scenarios where I’d have to do a review with them and being concerned with whether or not my jokes would go too far. Other than that, what surprised me most was just how casual everyone was. In reality I’d be super excited to be there, but in my dream I was just trying to put up lights and reflectors.

Also, I forgot to mention, the sun had Rich Evans’ face in it … like the Teletubbies sun.

Adolf Stoklasa.

“The Rich Evans Signal”.

Use your Disney mind control powers! Space Cop must not fail.

Oh, grandpa Mike. Striking similarity. Could be a time loop though. I’ll rewatch all Geordi Laforge TNG episodes at once to get him out!

We could make it Hollywood dark, with violence and s’plosions. Metropolis gets pulverised while spinning blue ball takes on Robotnick. Dark violence and depression told in a dark depressing violent way. The Hollywood way. Fast and the furrious 7 – Dark dawn on the moon of Robotnick age, starring Vin Diesel as Sonic and Dwayne Johnson as Tails.

Do you think they even read these comments? Or will the next ep just be more of the same?

I think they like to keep intouch. I don’t think they make as much money as those VHS repair frauds ripping Plinkett so their bound to check on their fanbase. Jack has been around some times lately, can’t remeber where(someone fill me in if I’m right). They problably will continue on the same path. The way I see it is that they can only get better.

C’mon guys, I mean I’m a fan of these videos but it’s pretty pointless to critique something you don’t even understand. You talk about how going fast was a flaw, yet not once of the many times you got hit were you doing what the game intended, which is rolling. The big moment of the show where you take the frame rate and how much distance you had before you got hit? Yea it made absolutely no sense because you didn’t play the game right. Hold down and press B (or A I can’t remember) a bunch of times and you charge roll and kill enemies at the same time. (Out of the days you played these games you never figured this out??? There’s a reason why he’s Sonic the HEDGEHOG) It is a fundamental core of this game. It’s like if i were to play Mario and get mad when I run into enemies and die, because I never jump on their heads, then I say, “The game is flawed.” Seriously guys, every critique you had of this game was basically you not understanding the basic concept of the game. It was hard to watch, you guys need a true video game nerd there with you to do damage control and show you how to play the game like it was meant to be played. This is coming from a straight Super Nintendo lover who disliked everything Sega, (except Tails, I love Tails.) This review reminds me of the Titanfall review where you guys never even tried to use the parkour element the game WANTS you to use. How can you critique a game if you don’t even understand how to play it?
That being said I still love the show, but please try to get all the information before you make these videos, for without all of the facts, it makes the entire show irrelevant, and frankly makes you guys look really duml and the discussion becomes a big waste of your and my time.

Even Mike has commented once or twice.

Yea, I would love some episodes with indepth reviews mixed with gamestation 2.0. But I Think it’s casualgaming. I’m Ok with that.
What would you like or change?

I’d just like them to be a little more informed. And if not that, then just do a series that’s different from all the other game videos that are out there.

I assure you, Space Cop will not fail.

I agree. They could read up some more. I didn’t like the show in the beginning, I Think it has gotten better and I’m getting around to the casual style. It’s hard to come up with new things though. most gamingformats are covered from many angles. Hopefully it makes it to the next level.

Yea, two years ago. I’m “following” him, you can check from there.

When you feel like having a good laugh, you should.

It’s a Plinkett audio commentary track, I don’t know if it’s the one for the phantom menace or for episode 4, because Boss Nass is in both.

Anyway, they are both great tracks and you really don’t need to be watching the movies to hear them.

Mike starts riffing with uncanny impressions of Jar Jar and Boss Nass…
I don’t want to spoil it more, but it is very funny 😉

I want to give 20 likes to this comment.

True, there are glitches here and there, but I haven’t played a 16 bit console for 20 years or so.
I do have fun with emulators for Spectrum ZX, Amiga, Sega, Nintendo, PS1, though.

*Cum to videos.

Picking on the plot is silly. “Are the bunnies mind-controlled too???” Yes, Rich, they are; isn’t it kind of implied by how they attack you? All of this as if Mario and Megaman have the most straight-laced, serious and logical backstories ever. It’s a game for children, for cryin’ out loud!

Turns out I ‘liked’ one of his comments. Guess I had seen it before, over 2 years ago, though.

Mike and Jay were running in place before it was cool.

Well, Space Cop’s just this guy, you know?

But Rich and Jack never even left their chairs. Super lazy.

Speaking of overrated what do you all think is the most overrated movie of all time is?

You’re talking like you came from Kotaku

He’s smarter than the Combine from Half Life.

They wake up and there’s like a film reel on their bed.

I dunno, if I were a chicken I’d be kinda pissed…That hedgehog has no business being 10 time larger than a chicken…none!

Agree. It’s not nearly as good as Schindler’s List.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-tuQ0mnkhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmeeYwEiQw

Guys the first “console wars” were between Atari, Mattel and Coleco in the 80’s. Also omitting button functions is SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!!!

booooooo. You guys suck at Sonic. You’re just old. Your eyes can’t keep up like they did when you were kids. Sonic could be frustrating but it was always fun. You played some runs as fast as hell, some runs for exploring. C’mon man. Sonic CD was a masterpiece. I respectfully disagree with all of this. Also, Sega vs Nintendo as the first console war? Nah. That’s just wrong. There were huge battles among game companies in the 70s and early 80s before the first collapse of the market.

*in Mike’s voice* Frozen is a hypocritical pretentious mess of a film that believes it has a plot but it doesn’t, designed by Disney to be thoughtful and make a shit ton of money off a soundtrack. It has characters who just do things for no discernible reason. The film follows two sisters, one has X-Men powers and she’s a queen. Then people find out and try to kill her because they’re stupid. Along the way we meet our tropes that have been done to death in other Disney animated and live action films. Thanks, Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck, I hope someone shoves a club up your ass*breaks character by laughing*

Well, I’ll agree it’s not nearly as good as Gilliam’s “Man of La Mancha”. That movie is so good, nobody’s even seen its awesomely ambiguous ending.

The amazing laughter of Rich Evans is arousing enough for me.

You’ve learned well, my young Padawan.

No I watch Pre Rec on Twitch

I don’t know in the stream chat everyone wants it to be an anime one.

I don’t think I’d go so far as to say Schindler’s List isn’t as good as a small collection of A-roll shots from an incomplete movie that someone’s posted on youtube, but as far as it’s prospects and in terms of Directors and general I’d give preference to Gilliam as a rule.

Blue Velvet.

And it came from the heart.

Oh jeez, I thought we were doing a thing. I didn’t realize that Spielberg and Gilliam were the only two guys in the world who made movies, and that these were dualistic arguments from authority. I stink at that game!

Do people still like that flick? I thought it was popular for five seconds in 1992, then everyone moved on.

It would be abnormal not to.

It’s still popular with the “film theory” crowd, but like “The Crying Game” I don’t think it has held up over the years. I still do enjoy watching Hopper huff amyl through a gas mask, but the rest is minor Lynch.

It’ll never happen. I was born to pester.

It won an Academy Award for best original screenplay. It has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/crying_game

Although that obviously doesn’t include John Simon’s review in National Review

I can’t wait for the sequel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvKTRebgJcw

Well I had once where Rich Evans ran for mayor of Milwaukee and won. Once in power, Rich declared Milwaukee an independent country, and while things were good at first, he soon became an authoritarian dictator. So Mike, Jay, Jack, Jessi, and Josh started a group of freedom fighters to overthrow Rich. Shit happens, and at one point, the lady who played Nadine joined the group, but later turned out to be a spy for Rich. More shit happens, all leading up to an epic battle between the rebels and Rich Evans’ army of robots. Mike and Rich have a spectacular sword fight for some reason. Rich is defeated by, him and Jessi get married, and all ends well.

The most overrated film of all time is “Gone With The Wind”. Not because it’s a shitty movie — it’s a good movie. But the years have far been too kind to it, and nostalgia has lent it too much credit. It wasn’t even the best film out the year it was made, but it is typically held up as the signature film of the golden age.

Jay once took down an image I put up. I was trying to illustrate the Nietzschean aphorism about staring into the abyss. Unfortunately, the image included not a small amount of odure. I thought it was fake, but I guess Jay disagreed. Of course, I bowed to his judgment.

Don’t get me wrong; it’s a good flick. It’s just a gold record rated quadruple platinum, to the point that no honest disagreement is allowed.

Yeah, it was a mess. I still say that the best David Lynch movie that he also wrote was “Lost Highway”, probably because I’m a fan of odd-angled vampire flicks.

If that were true, it would be the most awesome dream of all time.

Jay once deleted me for DOX’ing some fartward who was dissing his indie creds because he didn’t lather up and suck off “Escape From Tomorrow”. Jay was right, of course. Cocaine is a helluva drug.

I agree that Sonic is a bit more manufactured than Mario, but Mario was actually always intended to be the Nintendo mascot. In fact, Miyamoto’s original plan for “Mario and friends” (quote from the interview) was for them to be in EVERY Nintendo game. You can see a bit of this in early nes games like Tennis where Mario is the referee, or in gameboy games like Qix.

In terms of “classic” sonic being very overrated though, I actually agree. I loved those games as a kid, and I still play through them, but they have HUGE issues that people tend to overlook. The same issues that the 3d ones get flack for.

Jay said tomorrow

Spikes rarely just “come out of the wall.” You are usually stopped in an area where you can see them moving before you have to traverse the areas where they can hit you.

Titanic, of course.

They don’t put drill beaked enemies in places where you will be coming forward with speed though. Level design, what’s that?

Before release, yes. After release – definitely not.

Overhyped is the word you were looking for.

I’d pay to see that.

Not a betting man, eh?

I have a great way to release fan rage without being a retarded fanboy. Just simply look at this man. The mere sight of this will release so much anger it will make you so much better.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111231121807/fma/pl/images/8/87/Shou_Tucker.jpg

Alright! Clearing the schedule. I’m cancelling my doctors appointment for my cat. My son can pick up him self. And microwave cookery! There!

Is that the anticipated sequel to the Tom Cruise summer hit Edge of Tomorrow?

“That beat! I’m done!” is one of my personal favorites. (gif bait)

He’s kind of necrophiliac that way.

Thank you so much. YES. The main mechanic of Sonic (speed) is not well thought out because the game punishes you for going fast. This is made worse by the fact that the game at certain times requires that you have momentum. It’s really a trial and error game much like super meat boy, minus the unlimited lives and straightforward level design that SMB has.

Yup the Crash games are amazing.

Hey i really like your way of doing a review. In fact it very much reminded me of this piece of work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ

It wasn’t a waste of mine or a lot of people’s. Cry more you nancy bitch. It’s a fucking game, and a terrible one at that.

Wait, he killed him self?

Now that there has been several episodes, I can say it honestly : “Previously recorded” is really not very good, and it is the antithesis of why I like Red Letter Media.

I believe Mike and Jay are more interesting movie critics than most people on the internet for basically two reasons :

– They are the only ones that can actually tell an decent story while doing a
review (Plinkett, Half in the Bag). Storylines by most online reviewers are just unbearable fan wank, and Red Letter Media manages to avoid that.

– They are filmmakers. Even if their films are low-budget tongue-in-cheek stuff, it gives them actual knowldge only professionnals can have. With this knowledge, they are able to provide interesting insights. It also allows them to have a high
tolerance for mistakes and find redeeming qualities in bad movies.

But what do Rich and Jack know about making video games? Absolutely nothing.

I am actually an hobbyist game developer, and reviews like this make me cringe. They are made in complete ignorance of the way things work. And especially the way it used to work in the 90’s.

Back in the 90’s, games were made differently. Code was much harder to produce (it was made in assembly or primitive version of C language), and technical things like blast processing were soexpensive and complicated to develop, that you had to make them profitable by basing games on it.

Sonic was a technical prowess back in the day. It is undeniable. And gameplay wise, it was good if you saw it as a game that could be played either slowly, or in a speedrun fashion once you knew the game by heart.

With their ignorant critiques of games, Rich and Jack have basically become a devolved version of the Angry video game Nerd.

They complain and swear like crazy, believing they are edgy and interesting, when in reality they don’t know anything about actual game making and just state mostly undocumented opinions.

It is obvious that you guys are doing this because gaming is huge and you feel like you have to do something related to that…

But please just don’t. Please just stick to a subject in which your team can provide actual knowledge, based on experience as a creator, rather than experience as a consumer.

I guess I can’t prevent you from doing what you decide, but I think you are deciding to do something that makes you no different than any idiot with a camera and a game console.

Please don’t do that. I would be very sad to see your quality devolve towards the average online review. You guys managed to be different and above the crowd and I feel like you’re throwing that away.

God bless “press start to skip”!

I’m a big fan of RLM in general, but come on guys, Sonic is a TERRIBLE game? Thats just silly. Its a fun platformer with great music and graphics that puts a twist on the genre with by adding Sonic’s speed and slot car/pinball inspired levels. Look, I know Sonic can come off as a little pro-active at times but TERRIBLE? You guys are better than that.

I like how in this analogy a pretty brilliant and cerebral platformer like Braid is unintentionally the stand in for Sonic. Points for teenaged inaccurate over the top hyperbole, though.

Take back what you said about Crash Bandicoot, you bastards! TAKE IT BACK!!!

I’m keeping my fingers crossed. (Hard to type) I don’t remember them mentioning it, though. Have you seen it yourself?

I’m not a betting man.
I’m a LOSING man.
*Laugh track.*

Hey guys

I had the exact same response after I replayed the sonic games; I downloaded it on my 360 to play it again to see if I would still enjoy my child hood game. But unfortunately, it was far too quick for the map design and I found it unplayable. But I remembered it being different.

I never had a mega drive (genesis to our American friends) when I was a kid, I had a snes and a sega master system.

The master system was sega’s delayed answer to the Nintendo Entertainment System, they came preloaded with games on the console, one was Alex the paper kid (I think?) and the other was sonic the hedgehog, which was the one I had.

the master system was a less powerful machine then the megadrive, so it didn’t have the “blast drive” capabilities; With hindsight (and you’re video confirmed my thoughts) my version of sonic, the game I played and loved, was much more like the idealised version of the game that you two would want to play, (based on your criticisms); there were less spiny bits (an old school equivalent of QuickTime events perhaps?) and less hazards that discourage fast travel; which destroyed the whole gimmick of sonic.

In essence, the sonic I played was very much like a classic Mario game; A simple platformer with inventive level design. But because this sonic game was a different system, the whole map design and game mechanics were done from scratch for the master system specifically, leading to a better game. Its completely different from the megadrive version, it’s a great example of limited abilities leading to a better product

it was good in its own right, it had less pointless fast bits and the movement was more fluid,

If you want to play a better designed game, check it out.

: )

Ps, I’m loving all the work you do, keep it up!

I find your conclusion compelling, but I can’t help but notice you
didn’t seem to roll, like at all, in any of the footage you showed us.
Did you know that when you run, you can press the down button to curl
into a ball, making you defeat enemies that are in your way? This ball
form allows you to pick up more momentum, and progress without being
hurt by enemies. since I didn’t see you roll once, I can’t help but feel
you overlooked it. That’s odd, because the video indicates that you did
indeed read the manuals, so you should have known about that.

sonic has the same situation as many games before it of its era. Repetition. Knowing the patterns and the placement of enemies. Mario and Megaman (and plenty of NES games) were the same too. By constantly playing it over and over, you learned where the enemy was and when to jump. If you’re running and you know the enemy is up ahead (from the last time you died), press down on the controller and roll right through it. The levels do backtrack a little. But this is meant as replayability. The last time you played it, you took path A, This second time around, you take path B. Once again, this is for replayability. Sonic had no saves built in. You took an afternoon to tackle the game, and unfortunately lost. The next time you play it, you learned from past mistakes. I doubt kids today would have the patience to do this. Way back then, you only had one game and you played it to death.

Space Mutiny was made in Cape Town, South Africa in a power station scheduled for demolition. I recall hearing at the time (I was a kid) that they were making a new Star Wars movie in my city, and then forgetting about it until a friend sent me a copy of the MST3K copy.

Also, you have a long section comprised of being upset at losing your rings. Dudes, this is the lest upsetting thing in game history. Grow some balls.

I think what a lot of us are saying though is that they’re not well-read. I agree it’s a little ridiculous to ask them to be experts on game design just to critique games, but they gotta know SOMETHING outside of just “I picked up a controller one time.”

The problem is despite the average internet commenter’s belief – the value of opinions are not equal. RLM’s opinions on film are far more informed, educated, and experienced than those on video games. Would you come to see RLM start reviewing music? I mean, an opinion’s an opinion, right?

I don’t think the challenge of video games is any social impediment, since socially oriented video games have been quite successful in the past. But within the medium, they’re seen as a lower order (excluding online multiplayer games, since they aren’t strictly social). Movies, on the other hand, are seen as a lower order if they aren’t released in theaters, which are literally large rooms where people crowd in and watch a movie together. It’s not difficult to find technical explanations for this distinction (for example, movies don’t have to accomodate every single person who experiences them) but they don’t connect in any obvious way to these cultural factors, which are difficult to ignore.

Seriously the best example of a game that rewards you for going fast is the original Ninja Gaiden where you’re punished for taking your sweet time (mainly by respawns) and rewarded for moving as fast as possible through the level.

Why??!!

Please point out where I said all opinions are equal or that the key to good criticism is simply having an opinion on something. You’re bringing up a straw man to argue with.

As far as the rest, no their opinions on films are not exclusively more informed on movies because they tried to make a few amateur films. That is merely a part to the whole of their film wisdom. Their opinions are also more informed, because they have seen a fuckload more movies than most people, because they have at length discussed and deconstructed them on a higher than average level informally before devoting themselves to even making a criticism show, because they have spent some time learning the history behind a lot of the films that fascinate them, and oh by the way Mike also went to film school I’m sure some of that sunk in as well.

Secondly, good critical deconstruction is a skill in of itself and not all professional designers are necessarily good enough at it to make a living being a critic. In fact most of your high level and respected critics aren’t. People like Liam Lane have instead spent their schooling deconstructing films and literature as part of their English degree training and liked it enough to make a professional career for it. But when it comes down to it as a consumer of criticism a critic is only as good as what you are looking for in that critic.

If I’m in the mood for a deep intellectual discussion about the cultural value of a cerebral avante garde film I just watched I will probably read a column on it by Liam Lane. If I’m in the mood for a smartly sarcastic beer session I’ll watch Half in the Bag. If I want to debate the finer points of comic book nerdery I’ll prolly look to Movie Bob. And likewise if I want to see a game have the piss taken out of either in a loving or totally derisive manner I’ll watch Zero Punctuation. And finally if I feel like passing out in front of my computer hoping that the overdose of quaaludes I just took will kill me I’ll watch pewdiepie.

All of the serious recommendations above have one thing in common, and that is they are pretty masterful at deconstructing and discussing the things that they are interested in. Being a creator offers a bit of insight, but it’s not at all an edge if you aren’t well read, educated, versed in the history, or are totally shit at deconstructing a thing and explaining it’s finer points in terms of your interests.

Furthermore, using that excuse as a way to invalidate their opinion on a game is an intellectually lazy ad hominem at best. Hence why it is asinine to say.

Also a final nitpick. I find it troublesome when people make some blanket generalization about the “average people,” because they often don’t include themselves amongst the average smoes they’re likely smugly disparaging.

That’s why Mario was only on the Family Computer

Thanks for taking time to respond. I’m sure you feel vindicated knowing that your precious sanic games have been defended

The birds in Ninja Gaiden are fine. They just require a little more timing and patience than most of the rest of the game. Overall the game is solid. Its only major failing is the awful checkpointing (or lack thereof) in the final level. It’s far too punishing and gives you no fair opportunity to learn the final boss’s patterns.

And Sonic and Mario are not really so different. They are both action platformers that are mascots for their respective companies/platforms. Given that speed kills for a novice/intermediate Sonic player, they do not play differently in any fundamental way. I’m not saying there are no important differences, but it’s not exactly apples and oranges.

And I’ll maintain that not being able to productively utilize Sonic’s trademark feature until you memorize the levels is a major flaw. You have to put the game in its context. It’s the game that introduces people to the Sega Genesis, and maybe video games in general, and speed was a major part of the game’s marketing, and the game’s various animations and whatnot make you feel like you should be going fast.

So when a video game novice (or Sonic novice) starts playing Sonic and is punished for going fast, it is (and was) very disappointing and off-putting. It’s bad design and the only reason I can see giving it is a pass is the fact that Sonic was a pack-in game, and was probably the only game a lot of people had for a while, so it’s inevitable that it would get played and re-played by a lot of folks who could eventually get to the point where they could master it and go fast.

Kotakunians must be more affectionate than I’ve heard then.

And if you recall when Jack was reviewing one of Len Kabazinski’s movies he criticized the mistakes of black frames and wondered if anyone even proof-viewed the movie after editing.

So I guess it’s pretty clear that Jack never watched HIS OWN VIDEO for these kind of audio mistakes?

Red Letter Media people, I love your shows and this one is another winner, but the first console war was Atari vs. Intellivision. Not Nintendo vs. Sega.

Come on, fellas. This is Video Game History 101.

Is Sonic the Hedgehog the most overrated game ever in the history of our lives?

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Oh, yeah. *wink* Long time since I saw those plinkett reviews. Something for the weekend.

I don’t remember Sonic being so hard to play going fast. I remember that you had to get used to knowing when to lay off the speed, but the more you play it the faster you can go because you know when to hit your jumps to avoid those pitfalls and traps.

I remember being really impressed with Sonic because it was such an amped up version of Mario. I never thought about what Mario could be like in fast forward mode.

Now, you youngsters are speaking my language. Fuck Sonic, indeed! Fucking red-shoed fraud.

HOWEVER, Crash Bandicoot 1-3 kicked Sonic’s unplayable blue ass all to Hell and back again. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise!

Also… “AAAARRGGHH!!” Fix your painfully-uneven audio levels, you hacks!!!!!

Oh, and thanks for the free entertainment.

As I recall it. It was Atari VCS/2600 vs. Intellivision.

That’s around 1979-81.

Then later Atari 5200 vs. ColecoVision.

That’s 1982-83.

Intellivision was out at that point.

One could maybe make a case that the Magnavox Odyssey was competing with the Atari VCS (later named the 2600), but that “competition” wasn’t nearly as sharply delineated as Atari vs. Mattel.

The 2600 vs. Intellivision featured an aggressive and pervasive television, print, and radio campaign which made it totally unambiguous that both were competing head to head.

To nerds back in the day, Atari vs. Intellivision was as sharply divisive as Marvel vs. DC, Apple vs. Android.

I was an Atari man, for the record.

I owned the VCS, 2600, 5200, and ColecoVision. Never owned an Intellivision, though it was a great system. The thing that sold the 5200 was arcade perfect ports of Centipede, Joust, Dig Dug, and Ms. Pac-Man. But the system selling games for the ColecoVision were Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. Those were huge to game nerds back in the day.

Lurking at the periphery of all this was the Vectrex, which was the Steel Battalion cockpit controller of its day. Every nerd knew about it and desired it, but few actually purchased it.

I like Pre-Rec. A lot, actually. Mostly for the live Twitch stuff. You can heckle them so bad live in the comments, it’s great. They spend every single episode just trying to get into the game or learn the basic button configuration. Just like most of the comments here are like “you could have used spin dash”, most of the live Twitch comments are “PRESS ‘UP’ YOU STUPID FUCKERS! UUUUPPP!!!”

I have a feeling they’re trolling by being bad at the games and it’s a hoot.

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Anyone know the secret to getting images to appear in comments?

Two old men who suck at video games complaining that they don’t know how to use the up and down arrows on a d-pad. It would help if your reaction times didn’t resemble that of a developmentally disabled octogenarian. You guys are fun when you review movies, please just stick with what you’re good at. If you are getting your ass kicked on the second zone of a Sonic game, it’s time to put the controller down. THese are good games, but by no means hard.

The 5200’s controllers had issues. So, did the ColecoVision’s. The keypad’s plastic overlays would get thrashed over time. Still, I dearly loved both machines, but I’d probably give the nod to the ColecoVision. They were both pretty remarkable with great games. Those two systems were the first to bring arcade perfect ports to the home.

I tried this. Couldn’t get it to work. I got confused at a certain step and was still confused after finding instructions and an online video to help.

I think part of the problem was that I got Grover and Oscar the Grouch mixed up.

That and I’ve made too many comments on RLM.

I think the biggest Difference between Sonic and Crash Bandicoot. Was Sony didn’t even make those games. Naughty Dog were really the brains behind those games. If X-box had a mascot. It would be some guy with the gun holding up a pike with someone severed head on it. I think the only reason i don’t own a X-box 360. Is because most of the exclusives are unimaginative first person shooters. The only FPS i would want play is one where your character says “Hail to the king” all the time while shooting pig cops and throwing 5 dollar bills to strippers.

The review could have ended with “Sonic is just a platformer”.

Thumbs down, unsubscribed.

I completely agree. Mario still holds up as a game with perfect game mechanics. Each Mario has simply been a refinement of something which always worked. His games were built up literally pixel by pixel, everything in a Mario game is a result of putting good game design first, and always was.

Sonic was just a reaction to Mario, a result of a Sega think-tank who wanted to outdo Mario so they came up with this ‘X-Treme’ character with an ‘attitude’. Yo. He had a few good games but they don’t hold up all that well these days but Mario’s games certainly do.

Sonic The Hedgehog is nothing but the videogaming equivalent of Poochie.

Here my thing about the whole Sonic vs Mario thing. The Sonic games are totally different bread of video game. Its about rushing through to the end of the level. Mario to some extent is about problem solving and learning from reparations. But there both fine games for what they are. Yeah you get hit quite a lot in sonic and lose rings. But your just suppose to pick up some more ring and keep on going. And sure Sonic was made as a Mascot. But so what. Namco has be pimping out tons of mediocre 3D games for its Mascot (aka Pacman.) And even those games are not unplayable. Im sure if Atari came up with the whole Mascot years before Nintendo. That Colecovision and Intellivision would have there Mascots out within a year. It was good business sense for sega to follow Nintendo Lead. Ive been playing Sonic Generations. And Guess what. I fine it fun. Imagine that.

Unlike you I like to be challenged… true, it can be annoying at times, but if you succeed its so much more rewarding than beating something with little effort… impossible, not true, hard, sure, but that’s the fun…

Pre-Rec is starting to feel like the RLM equivalent of Poochie.

“TAILS, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!”
I believe that is the best line I’ve heard come out of Rich Evans’ mouth.

Do you mean the factory level from Donkey Kong arcade? I always thought it was the easiest of the 4 stages. Check the video below at the :49 mark for further evidence.
http://youtu.be/EEmsPOwYf70?t=49s

I had more fun with Sonic 3 & Knuckles than I did with any Mario game ever, thank you.

Btw, the level design and mechanics in Sonic’s games are great and it flows perfectly. This guy from the video is just terrible at playing it, which is obviously not the game’s fault.

It’s a fun game. I didn’t even blink.

These guys simply deconstructed a popular franchise, knowing full well that there will be blow-back. For that alone, I give this video a positive review. Good job, guys!

I totally respect their opinion on the series, but anyone who has played Sonic one and is any good knows that you HAVE to use Sonics spin roll when going fast instead of just running straight. That you learn in like two tries. I did at least. A must in the first one when Sonic did not have his signature burnout spin.

Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

*Chapter and section headings.
*Newspaper headlines.
*Publication titles.
*Warning messages.
*Word of important meaning.

Also, what you meant to write was: “HOWEVER”. You do?

It’s fun to learn, right?

Since you didn’t read my previous reply, I’ll go ahead and re-post it for you, free of charge!

Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

*Chapter and section headings.
*Newspaper headlines.
*Publication titles.
*Warning messages.
*Word of important meaning.

Be well and best of luck to you, madam.

Again…

Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

*Chapter and section headings.
*Newspaper headlines.
*Publication titles.
*Warning messages.
*Word of important meaning.

I see. Well, if that’s the game we’re playing:

Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

*Chapter and section headings.
*Newspaper headlines.
*Publication titles.
*Warning messages.
* Word of important meaning .

Like your dad said to your uncle: “I can keep this up all night”.

There’s no defending needed here. I’m right. You’re wrong. I’ve shown you well-expressed proof of that fact but, for some reason, you refuse to acknowledge the proof.

So, unless you can prove otherwise, troll somewhere else.

You realize the eventually *did* make a new Duke Nukem game right? And it was terrible?

Again, prove me wrong or kindly fudge off.

As predicted, you have nothing.

Thanks for all the trolling.

“WHY CAN’T I HOLD RIGHT TO WIN? OMG SONIC SUCKS OVERRATED GARBAGE WAH WAH WAH”

This video in a nutshell.

Yeah, we’re all still recovering from the bombshell that two thirty-year old’s can’t figure out how to play sonic the fucking hedgehog….

Sega, for whatever mysterious reason, ONLY advertises Sonic, a series that isn’t even worth crap compared to the quality of their rpgs, action games, etc. It’s one of the greatest mysteries in history what Sega could possibly see in Sonic that they deem more worthy of recognition than just about every other game they work on, which makes one wonder why they even bother making other games if their hell bent on making sure only one gets enough marketing to get it noticed and make a profit from it. Meanwhile Sega’s gaining laughably low sales on all their other series (many of which they’ve been leaving dormant [some for years now] completely pushing away potential sales and popularity for them…because they can I guess) and then they complain about low sales like they expect people to just magically know about their other games, when they only market freaking Sonic. And then there’s the problem of them half assing sequels to classics or letting people not even from Sega work on them, almost like they’re in a rush to just get another game out of the way so they can hurry and get back to the oh so brilliant masterpiece that is (definitely not) Sonic. While Capcom screws over their mascot, Sega screws over most of what makes them a developer in the first place. At least Sega actually markets most of their games in their native country of Japan, but that can only go so far in terms of establishing a worldwide fanbase and at least as much profit from it. And it seriously makes no sense that the foreign divisions of the main Japanese corporation ever bothered making their own games. It ain’t Sega unless it’s internally developed from the country where they established what Sega is today.

Before Sega made Sonic they already had franchises with potential mascots, like Shinobi, Golden Axe and Phantasy Star. Sega didn’t need to make a platformer to compete with Mario, all they had to do was actually market the games they ALREADY MADE. Once Sonic came on the scene Sega suddenly forgot to advertise their other ips as much as they did with their overrated marketing ploy.

So you are required to memorize the game?

That’s what people do with levels of first-person shooters. They learn where all the guns and vantage points are so they can easily beat people who are playing for the first time.

Building off of your two major criticisms of Sonic…

Not only does going fast kill you in a game sold on the idea of going fast, everything seems designed to slow you down. Running up slopes is excruciating, like you said. But using your spin attack can also make you stop. Jumping can slow you down. Trying to jump off of slopes gets real weird, which you have to do a lot. There are fans and other obstacles that slow you to a stop. And of course the level design, which often suggests going fast, can actually just contribute to slowing you down, like when you have to change directions over and over again. And sometimes it just brings you to a stop and makes you wait for the level to move around you. And then there’s all the times you’re just waiting around while riding a slowly moving platform.

And the level design is even worse than you gave it credit for, because the levels often repeat themselves in the same zone, and sometimes even in the same level. You’ll be going through some sequence of slopes and enemies and obstacles and you’ll get a feeling of deja vu, because the design has been reused.

“Tails, you dumb motherfucker!”
The most uttered line by 10 year olds in 1992.