Pre-Rec: Sonic, The Most Overrated Game Ever?

July 28, 2014947 Comments

Is Sonic the Hedgehog the most overrated game ever in the history of our lives? Does asking these kind of questions make you want to: Like, Subscribe, Thumbs Up, Retweet this video? LET’S FIND OUT!!!

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  • ohseanofnoise

    CONTROVERSY!!! I LOVE IT!!!

  • Chubbly

    Mario fanboy hack frauds

  • G@BRIEL GR@Y

    @Rich and Camp Dude.

    Can we have a feature length production of Previously Recorded set in a post apocalyptic hell-hole, otherwise known as Ontario Canada. AYYYY!

  • Chris

    Not nearly as overrated as Grim Fandango, you f*cking hacks.

  • anxie

    We don’t need no precision platformin’. We got speed(and shitty platformin’).

  • nocussing

    GOTTA GO FAST

  • LelouchtheFilial

    I’m pausing the video like an asshole to say…
    Are you sure Sonic “just has shoes” or “just has REFLECTORS on his shoes?”

    YEAAAAAAAAAAAH! FLYIN’ RYAN REFEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE!

  • http://mycareersuicidenote.tumblr.com/ anghus

    The one guy looks like the Dean from Community

  • Mike Ortiz

    I wasn’t good at guitar when I first played it, so that means the guitar is flawed, right?

  • SuperGirl95

    Eh, you are playing the game as men in your 30s, in 2014, not kids in the 90s. Most games that you loved back then will look and play like turds now. It’s best to leave them as fond memories.

    As for a new sonic game, they made Sonic Generation and it did very well.

  • Jack

    you guys should do dead space!

  • Noah Roalson

    Overrated, most definitely. However, it is a very fun game– also, the theme song is up there with Super Mario in my opinion.

  • Curugon

    Well… yes, that’s what most people mean when they use the term overrated.

  • Sean Gall

    The first three and S&K were the best, the first is my least favorite.

  • Sean Gall

    Straw man argument.

  • Memoman

    ( Was that Paint it Black in MIDI? Now that’s old school cool! :D XD )

    As fan of speed, of fast games, Sonic puzzled my little boy’s mind. I heard I was supposed to go fast, but their was no room to run. You just kept bumping into shit. Do you want to be a runner or a platformer Sonic? I thought you were a runner. You broke my heart.

  • Jeremy Whitman

    I fired up Sonic on a modded xbox about a year or two back and was pretty impressed by the attention to detail and the amount of fun. Sure, lots of nostalgia in there too, but I think it’s a pretty impressive game for it’s time. There were near countless horrifically bad to the point of unplayable platforms out back then, and sonic several cuts above…(the challenge was to go fast, explore, and survive…)

  • SuperGirl95

    The point is that, at the time of release, it wasn’t overrated compared to other offerings.

  • Dookiemcdu

    Yes sonic 1 is slow as molasses, but they added the spin dash in Sonic 2, this one feature made going fast so much easier. I noticed no use of the spin dash in this video which would have very much alleviated a lot of the frustration.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Fuck. Fuck. Oh fucking Hell. Ohhhhhh Fuck this. Fuck you Sonic. Fuck. Fuckbar, Fugabar? Fuckbar. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck this whole fucking game. Dumb motherfucker, fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck fuck.

  • anxie

    Some hours into Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast circa 1999.

    I gotta fish with the fat cat? Fuck that shit.

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    I grew up in a Nintendo household so Sega was never something I cared for. That said, yes, “Sonic the Hedgehog [IS] the most overrated game ever in the history of our lives.”

  • Rick_Berman

    Ah a new Pre-Rec video? It’s not the plinkett review but whatever, Oh you Bash Sonic for 16:45…I need a Freth of bresh air.

  • dick_the_bday_boy

    Rich the Evans is a pre-order DLC character in the new Sonic game.

  • Noah Roalson

    What is it with Ricks?

  • Joe Ottoson

    Sonic was set up more like a side scrolling racer. Sega retained similar mechanics for Nights, Shinobi on the PS2, Gungrave etc. All had similar concepts driving the game design.

  • Dimitri

    Hahahaha. You found overrated because you suck at playing Sonic! You play like little girls! Hahahaha. Sonic is great!!

  • AnalogyShark

    I don’t know how to say this without sounding elitist, but Sonic is a lot more fun when you’re better at platformers. Blazing through the levels and reacting to danger in a split second is where the real enjoyment comes from. As they point out, it’s really hard, but pulling it off is one of the most rewarding experiences in classic platforming.

    These games were made to be hard so you had to replay them over and over. Eventually you would start memorizing where ‘surprise bullshit’ enemies are, how to quickly get through levels, which secrets are worth your time.

    I also hated Sonic as a kid, for the same reason as Rich and Jack, because the game is fucking hard. I owned Sonic 3 and could not get out of the first world until I was like 12. But now as a fully developed neckbeard, I love these games.

  • Mike Ortiz

    No it’s not. The levels were frustrating for them because they were playing the game poorly. Half of their “f**ks” were because they mis-timed jumps or didn’t know the levels. The part with the floating spike balls where they said go really slow? No, go fast under the first one, jump over the second one. Play the game, get better, and it gets really fun. Different routes? Yes, because as you replay the game, you find different ways of beating it.

    I never had a Nintendo, so when I eventually played the original Super Mario Brothers game, I found it frustrating. That doesn’t mean that the game is a) overrated or b) poorly designed. It meant that I wasn’t good at it without practice. Hence my pithy analogy.

    They can have their opinion, I feel it’s ill-informed and incorrect.

  • Bill

    I have a feeling part of the enduring success of Sonic as a character, if not a game, is due to furry fandom.

  • Mike Ortiz

    Exactly, just because a game is difficult doesn’t mean it’s poorly designed.

  • stryker1121

    I’ll kill you! I’ll kill you all!

    (Dear NSA spies: This is meant to be satire re sociopath gamers who send death threats to developers, games journalists, et al for criticizing aspects of their precious hobby. Thank you and good night)

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    Weird lighting or green screen background?

  • LelouchtheFilial

    “Corpse-screws” is the Richism for this episode.

  • Markham

    Whatever, Crash Bandicoot is the superior product for time-wasting.

  • SuperGirl95

    I like James and Rick. I love seeing them in things, but this seems to be the second game that they are sort-of bad at and call it bad because of their lack of skill.

    They should make note of this, but that’s not as entertaining. :P

    Most of us would suck ass at the old school games. They are very hard and new games are relatively easy by comparison.

    If you rewatch some AVGN episodes (is it okay if I mention him here?), you’ll see he’s bad a lot of the games he plays too. They don’t have time like we did when we were kids to perfect those jumps.

  • Stupid Wizard
  • stryker1121

    Well only the second image under my name “The Hedgehog” was furry porn, so that’s something.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I.
    FUCKING.
    LOVE.
    CRASH
    BANDICOOT!

    Honestly, though, that game has deeply fond memories attached to it. It was an activity that my 3 siblings and I would bond over back when we were young and all still lived together. It was also something we held precious because we didn’t have much money and were lucky enough that one of our older relatives gave my parents enough money to buy the system and that game, who was the console mascot at the time. That game holds a special place in my heart.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I don’t hate the Sonic games, I enjoy a lot of them, even the so bad they’re good ones. But I can’t fucking stand the fanbase. You see I’m a creepy weirdo online that has fallen in love with a fictional woman because my girlfriend dumped me because she thought I was fucking my roommate-the point is I might be strange but they’re so fucking creepy and bizarre. They’re all stupid too. They defend nightmare like games like Sonic 06 because they’re are so infatuated with the franchise that to them nothing is wrong.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Man the type of games that Naughty Dog makes certainly have changed

  • Mike Ortiz

    Yeah, I’d like to double up on the liking Rich and Jack. I absolutely enjoy the show and RLM’s other offerings. Just disagreeing with them is all, but keep it coming.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    This is right below the first image. :(

    http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/12736587_SA.jpg

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    Don’t forget the Sonic mantra: “FUCK!”

  • EXbob

    I’ve always hated Sonic. The are built around going at extreme speeds yet the game is so close up on Sonic you can never see where the fuck you’re giong until you’ve smashed into it.

  • ElCamino

    I was disappointed when I didn’t get endless pictures of Cameron Diaz’s head photo shopped onto Tails’ body

  • http://www.jasonlefkowitz.net Jason Lefkowitz

    The original Sonic games aren’t even really games so much as really, really good tech demos. They show off what the Genesis/Mega Drive hardware was capable of much more effectively than contemporary Genesis titles did from other licensed game companies. Sonic was Sega’s way of pushing their licensees to do more with the hardware — “that’s not a 16-bit game. THIS is a 16-bit game.”

    They knew the SNES was coming with better hardware, and if they did nothing the Genesis’ older hardware would make it pigeonholed as an also-ran. They needed a title that made the Genesis look much, much slicker than anything else on the market at that moment, to establish the Genesis as the platform for visually exciting titles. And Sonic did that.

  • Adrian

    This was unimpressive though the editing is great as always. SPIN DASH or hit down while running to solve about 90% of the things you brought up. The game rewards players who fail going too fast forcing them to get to know the levels and then adapt to traverse them quickly on the next go-around. A good player is constantly adjusting and has much better control than what I saw you guys fumble through. Games back then are simple, but they are not meant to be powered through the way you likely did trying to “beat the level” instead of going super fast, learning, and having fun! I’m obviously team Sonic, but you should really watch an adept player navigate a level or two for you. Research a speedrun or something on youtube of someone who put in the time.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash
  • RaptorRex888

    Crash Bandicoot wasn’t much of a mascot (I think he was literally retarded or had brain problems) but the Crash games were infinitely better than the Sonic games.

  • Stupid Wizard

    For some odd reason the Sonic franchise wants to be the edgiest thing in the world. Case in point

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/Shadow_the_Hedgehog_Coverart.png

  • ElCamino

    Agreed! I’ve had way more fun playing Crash than I have playing Sonic, even after playing both fairly recently.

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    Rich Evans replied, “The times when you have seen only one set of footprints, is when I carried you.”
    “But there were always two sets.”
    “Fuck off.”

  • Pee Bob

    What is the tattoo on Jack’s left arm?!

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    What was that about Rick James?

    Cocaine’s a hell of a drug.

  • RaptorRex888

    1-3, Crash Team Racing and Crash Bash at Least, basically all the PS1 games, the PS2 Crash games were horrible in my opinion.

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    Rich looks NOTHING like the Dean!

  • Chris

    Oof.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    *Cue Flock of Seagulls song.*

    And I raaaaaaaaan

  • RaptorRex888

    I cut myself, be careful everyone.

  • http://steven.ohlberg.info/ Steven Ohlberg

    The design isnt flawed. “You just didnt play it right” sorry for pulling that out.

    You gotta roll when you’re going fast. it makes you go faster AND you dont die when you hit an enemy. (Also you use spindash to go fast quickly) There are tons of moments in this video where you get hit and I just went “Just roll please”

  • Booger

    Completely agree Sonic is extremely over-rated. However, it is still a solid platformer but the focus on speed was definitely contradicted in the design. Something people rarely point out.

  • Booger

    Completely agree Sonic is extremely over-rated. However, it is still a solid platformer but the focus on speed was definitely contradicted in the design. Something people rarely point out.

  • Mohamad Taufiq Morshidi

    The one thing i can say is that Sega is a fucking shitty company.

    Where’s Yakuza 5? Where’s Power Stone 3 and where’s Shenmue 3 you fucking hack frauds?

  • Mohamad Taufiq Morshidi

    The one thing i can say is that Sega is a fucking shitty company.

    Where’s Yakuza 5? Where’s Power Stone 3 and where’s Shenmue 3 you fucking hack frauds?

  • SuperGirl95

    I completely agree. We need to see more double teaming on Josh and Rachel.

    I know that they must be limited on time, with all the other shows and movies, but I think that if they spent more time educating us about the game’s developers, or history, or easter eggs, or anything, more than this episode did, that they will have another nice show on their roster!

  • Mitchell Taco Nash
  • Big Boss

    i tried to give this new segment a chance but its gone the way of gamestation 2.0 dick suck. each episode is predictable

    *SPOILERS*

    If its not a Nintendo or Indy game theyre gonna hate it

  • RaptorRex888

    but muh nintendo!

  • Alex Lee

    He was even played by Steve Urkel back when he was at his peak.

  • Stupid Wizard

    This makes me wonder why did BioWare, the people that created some of my favorite games ever, create a fucking Sonic game?

  • array528

    What would you know ‘Big Boss’. You’re a HACK-FRAUD…

  • Alex Lee

    Yeah, I have to admit, the game still looks great today.

  • Stupid Wizard
  • Guest

    BUT WHAT ABOUT CRASH BANDICOOOT

  • http://www.josue-ch.blogspot.com CHR

    Wow wow wow, crash bandicoot was great

  • Mike Jakermen

    What? Somebody can’t like Mario, Sonic and Crash Bandicoot. Ahh Screw you guy.

  • Alex Lee

    It’s more like it’s punishing rather than difficult.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea6UuRTjkKs

  • craptonium

    I don’t care about Sonic games, i’m only here to see the sonic fanbase overload with rage and release all their asspergers.

  • stryker1121

    Guys guys let’s not parse video game stories for flaws..that’s a bridge of persnickety internet-ness too far.

  • Alex Lee

    “Jay, I didn’t ask you to talk about Community.”

    *tunes him out*

    Mike

  • Alex Lee

    Just in case people miss it the first time. I would recommend watching a lot of Extra Credits. They are the RLM of video games.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea6UuRTjkKs

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    That’s fucking depressing as hell man… why did you post it here…

  • belthegor

    sonic is punishing? guess you haven’t played many games

  • Elsa

    what about Banjo Kazooey

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    Sonic isn’t great, but in the context of the late ’80s early ’90s it was still a good game by most standards (see the AVGN videos for reference, there are literally hundreds of games that were way worse in the years leading up to Sonic). Personally I never really got into the series because I had a Super Nintendo, but I can see why Genesis kids liked his game. That doesn’t really excuse the people who liked his games in the following generations… as they have largely been awful. And the amount of furry fanfic stuff definitely doesn’t do the game’s fanbase any favors.

  • sepiajack

    Pre Rec needs to do a Metroid retrospective

  • Alex

    Sonic’s inception may have been the result of Sega’s hopes in capitalizing on the success of a mascot such as Mario, however, when Sega AM8 (now Sonic Team) was given the task of creating the mascot and his game, the team did a pretty fantastic job. Sonic’s design is brilliant and certainly a large part of his success — but the game he starred in (although flawed) was also damn good. I wouldn’t necessarily call it overrated, but instead, just not to everyone’s taste.

    Someone else already mentioned this… that you guys forgot to morphball (or whatever) and that’s the reason why you’re having difficulty going fast.

  • SuperGirl95

    Super C, bring the pain train.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Well then, perhaps these two Christmas stories from 2012 and 2013 about the boy, after this picture was taken, will make you feel better. It’s rather heartwarming [although a bit poorly written].

    His name is Jeremiah Mitchell [which is why it came up when I searched Mitchell the Hedgehog].

    “More than $2500 in toys for Jeremiah Mitchell and presents for his mother were donated by employees at Kimberly-Clark. This is the third year Kimberly-Clark has treated Jeremiah to his own personal Christmas.

    Michaela Mitchell said her son is doing very well in school, and he’s in third grade but reading at a sixth-grade level. She said that each and every day, she’s amazed at how far he has come.”

    http://www.news9.com/story/20407216/tulsa-boy-who-lost-his-limbs-gets-special-christmas-surprise

    “He lost both of his arms and legs, but now, at ten years old, Jeremiah continues to amaze doctors, family, and friends. He has learned to ride a bike with his prosthetic legs, and can write with his upper prosthetics.

    To help brighten the holidays – paper products company “Kimberly Clark” treated Jeremiah to $4,000 worth of toys and gifts.

    12/13/2012 Related Story: 9-Year-Old Meningitis Survivor Guest Of Honor At Benefit For Children’s Hospital

    “They keep spoiling us, oh my goodness, they spoil us,” said Michaela Mitchell, Jeremiah’s mother. “Jeremiah has made a request though to Santa Claus that he would like, next year, for other children to get toys.””

    http://www.newson6.com/story/24279483/meningitus-survivor-jeremiah-mitchell-gets-visit-from-santa

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    Crash Bandicoot is a good game with legitimately well designed levels and a high degree of challenge in the later stages. Don’t know what Jack was smoking.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Why don’t you just let it go?

  • MetalMattLongo

    Spice Girls, you say? Nope… and, ugh… why did you go and make me remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKKONgfNONU

  • Palpatine

    What’s wrong with his, oh nevermind, fuck it.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    Eh, Mortal Kombat is probably a worse offender. It was (and still is) complete dogshit compared to Street Fighter but attained notoriety through infantile ultra violence and hilariously bad digitized live action graphics.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    I agree. Jack should maybe try to beat the original Crash Bandicoot to refresh his memory. It’s a hardcore platformer.

  • Old Ben

    Just when I thought I couldn’t disagree with Jack any further, you bring up Crash. Sonic 2 was a masterpiece and Crash 2&3 still hold up to this day.

  • SuperGirl95

    Yeah, but he died of cancer in April.

  • Michael Collins

    This episode was pretty sad, from nitpicking about the story, it’s a fucking platform game ffs, to criticizing sega for adding tech to make their console faster and more powerful, Jack and Rich came across like a couple of whinging douchebags.

    Dedicating a slot to a game simply because you can’t play it wasn’t a very smart use of your time fellahs, and a fucking waste of everyone elses..

  • LelouchtheFilial

    ………….I like Sly Cooper.

  • Michael Collins

    Btw, Flashback was the best platform game ever!

  • Michael Collins

    Some guy who can play the game, even tho he’s no expert..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYqxdPe2tFQ

  • forbidden_donut

    Growing up during the Sega/SNES console wars, whenever the other kids in the playground told me Sonic was way better than Mario, I wanted to cry.

  • SuperGirl95

    That’s why they punched you in the tits.

    I’m just kidding. <3

  • humdiblifier

    no, out of this world was better! :D

  • Michael Collins

    Do you mean Another World?
    If so, then I agree that it was a great game, but Flashback edged it in the gameplay department, both had excellent stories tho..

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I thought about that, but even I have limits.

    Bradley Cooper doesn’t, though.

    Limitless.

    Own it today on DVD and Blu-ray!

    Also, go check out LUCY.

    Now Playing In Theatres!

  • humdiblifier

    I always thought the challenge came from figuring out the levels at really high speeds.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    No way! I won’t believe that until i see proof.

  • humdiblifier

    Forgot it had more than one title, but yeah, in the states it was “out of this world.” I thought Flashback had clunky gameplay compared to the other though. I also liked the puzzles better in out of this world/another world.

  • Palpatine

    Also, make sure to go see Bradley Cooper as a talking raccoon who shoots guns!!!111!!!

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Digging around, it seems Jeremiah got meningitis because he wasn’t vaccinated [although CDC suggests children get the vaccine at 11-12 and a booster at 16] and other people in the community weren’t vaccinated against it.

    Yet another area where preventable illnesses are undermined because some conspiracy nut-jobs believe some pseudo-science they read online or felt some dumb celebrity had better arguments than scientists do. This kid suffered due to other people’s wilful ignorance.

  • SuperGirl95

    Nah, give them some time to find their place. Gamestation was too close to MST3K, which was pissing a lot of people off.

    This is better, cheaper, faster, but hopefully they add a little more educational content, like talk about developers or more about the history, or something.

  • Pablumatic

    I completely fucking disagree with you both, Jack and Rich.

    The original Sonic games are fun platformers. They just happen to be fun platformers with a shit-ton of marketing behind them. Can you really blame Sega for that? They were up against the Nintendo juggernaut and had to do something.

    Crash Bandicoot 1-3 were also very fun. You guys are just looking for internet controversy.

  • SuperGirl95

    I lied in hopes that Jay would read that and laugh.

  • SuperGirl95

    Oh, shit. I don’t think I ever had my booster. Is it too late when you’re 35?

    Am I dead?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    And here I thought the most overrated game ever was ET for the Atari 2600, followed closely by Pac-Man for the Atari 2600.

  • Nick Poling

    What an awful episode. You guys didn’t even understand the basic mechanics of the game, like spinning into enemies. This whole video can be summed up thusly: “We complain about the marketing, which has nothing to do with the gameplay, for most of the episode! We then proceed to suck horribly at the game, run directly into enemies, run BACKWARDS through the level until we get hurt, then blame the game for our ineptitude and say it sucks over and over!”

    You guys are going to have to do a lot better than this is you want your channel to succeed on it’s own.

  • Thomas Goresen

    Don’t forget Street FIghter: The Movie: The Game.

  • Palpatine

    Well speaking of ET, they just announced on Facebook a new Best of the Worst will be out soon. Could they possibly be reviewing Nukie?

  • Mike Jakermen

    Frankly i find Sonic little easier to get through than any of the early Castlevania games. Especially Castlevania Adventure for the gameboy. I had that game for 20 years. and only using a emulator and save state was i able to beat it.

  • Max Wylde

    I had never played any Sonic game before. I was mostly a Nintendo man, until Playstation came out.

    Having said that, you guys need to try what is arguably one of the greatest console games of all time:

    Super Metroid.

    In spite of all the awesome games out now (which I rather liked The Wolf Among Us by Telltale Games), I still go back and I can speed run through Super Metroid.

  • BamaUndergrad

    As someone who spent WAY too much time as a kid running into those stupid spikes, and losing those stupid boss fights to Doctor Robotnick, this review speaks to me. Fuck you, Sonic!

  • Max Wylde

    Also, I never considered Crash Bandicoot the mascot for the Playstation. I always thought Lara Croft was. But now that she’s on multiple consoles, I can see your point.

  • Percy Gryce

  • Rotten Red Rod

    Agreed on every point. I always found the Sonic games super underwhelming. Mario games actually felt FASTER.

  • William Merrill

    I have no doubts that Jack and Rich are honest in their opinions, but this entire episode feels like it was specifically designed to stir up controversy.

    I mean, how is a story about an evil scientist that abducts and imprisons helpless animals inside hilariously ineffective robots harder to digest than a story about a giant, fire breathing, turtle that constantly terrorizes a kingdom full of mushroom people?

    Anyways, while I understand that the games are a bit challenging, and dare I say frustrating, Ninja Gaiden, Strider, and a slew of other fast paced platforming classics enjoy a wealth of admiration BECAUSE of the challenge they presented. There was never a point in any of the classic Sonic games where I felt like the game made me lose. Once I got to know and understand the layout of each level, I could play more freely and fully immerse myself in the speed gimmick they were trying so hard to push.

    Personally, I’ve always enjoyed the Mario series more, but saying the classic Sonic games are the most overrated games ever comes off as a bit harsh.

  • Gabriel Priddy

    I’m pleased to see I’m not the only one who enjoys purple sweatshirts from the Walmart Hanes collection. Michael Jordan and Rich Evans and me.

  • DizWhiz

    To be honest I never cared for Sonic games. I loved Streets of Rage, superior version of Street Fighter 2 and many others but Sonic was infuriatingly annoying. Give me Mega Man, Mario or Nights any day of the week over this series.

  • Stupid Wizard

    For me the blazing platforming only works for the Casino level. That’s it.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    11:28

    When that map scrolled across the screen I literally got dizzy. Not sure exactly why, but I had to pause the video. I think I may need a freath of bresh air.

  • SuperGirl95

    Agreed!

    Also, it helps if the player uses the spin-dash move. ;p

    Still, it’s a fun show, but not every episode will be a knock out of the park.

  • SuperGirl95

    While you’re out, let me know if you find any chessure trests.

  • Ragged Gypsy

    I agree with the sentiment of Sonic the Hedgehog being incredibly overrated. I never played it until six years ago, and it just seemed like a sloppily thrown together game. I wonder how much of an impact misplaced nostalgia plays in the history of this series.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I actually think the Tomb Raider series is the most overrated. I personally loved the reboot they did, it’s the video game equivalent of Batman Begins. Every thing to make the franchise better was in that game including better platforming, a better story, good acting, blood and gore, Lara Croft’s implied lesbianism, attempted rape, realistic characters, and Kevin Bacon.

    While the Sonic games are 50/50, most of the Tomb Raider games aside from the reboot are carbon copies or just complete disasters that try way too hard to be innovative. Wait the same thing applies to Sonic. The point is for me the earlier games just seem too similar or just too bad for my tastes. Any one else have the same thoughts? Any one else think Lara should be a lesbian? I would like that

  • http://hardycases.com/ Hale

    Maybe a dumb question, but are hedgehogs known for being particularly fast?

  • RaptorRex888

    Can’t we all get along?

  • Ragged Gypsy

    Wasn’t ET a failure in the eyes of all the critics and gamers of the 80’s? I can’t say I’d call that overrated…

  • Phleg

    Gotta 1+ here: you guys are entitled to your opinions and all, but if you’re going to do a proper critique you owe it to the game to actually play it correctly. Many of the points brought up in the review were in ignorance (deliberate or otherwise) to the fundamentals of the game’s design.
    I know shitting on popular titles is part of the RLM bag, but you guys can do better:P

  • Mike B

    When’s the next Plinkett animation from that hack fraud Shaun McKinnon?

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    It’s always those damn Ricks.

  • jaymanxyz2

    Wait…I guess I totally missed it. When did Tomb Raider 2013 hint at lesbianism? A great game, by the way.

  • George_Liquor

    You can always tell who grew up with a Genesis and who grew up with an SNES.

  • Spydiggity

    The most overrated franchise of all time is Uncharted.

  • Percy Gryce

    So I know a lot of you are saying, “Hey, Percy, tell us more about Carol’s moose.”

    So let me tell you that Carol had that moose on a very weird diet. The damn thing actually was fed on bad movies on VHS. How do I know this? Well, one day during my holiday I stumbled into the moose house and there she was feeding him a VHS. That particular tape turned out to be Warriors of the Wasteland, a post-apocalytic adventure that I rescued from the moose’s maw.

    Then I saw the damn thing’s feed bucket and it was full of bad movies. There was a little bit of everything: in addition to post-apocalyptic adventures, there were ninjas, bad teen sex comedy, cheap horror, James Bond rip-off, blaxploitation, Cyndi Lauper, Erik Estrada, and a whole lot more.

    So I made a deal with Carol: I bought up all the bad movies and I sent them right on to RLM.

    And, oh, I guess the moose starved to death.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    I really don’t get the love for that game, is it any more than a typical 3rd person? I mean decent sure, but anything special? comawn!

  • RaptorRex888

    I never really liked using the word ‘overrated’ as its basically just saying “Lots of people like something that I don’t like, stop liking what I don’t like.”

  • George_Liquor

    …and evidently who still gets butt-hurt by the comparison to this day.

  • jaymanxyz2

    No, I think you need a breash of freth air.

  • Ugh

    This struck me so funny it hurts. it hurts, stop it.,it hurts..You win the best comment of the day award. Awarded by me, randomly and without true meaning or understanding of the reasons why.

  • Tukka

    Well, to be fair to them, Rich does play devil’s advocate a bit, and Jack does amend his proclamation from the superlative “most overrated” to merely “incredibly overrated.” Which I think is pretty fair to a game series that is good, but not as good as the cynical and aggressive marketing campaign that backed it. (And I don’t think the complaints of the game’s plot are meant as serious criticisms — they’re delivered more as light-hearted jabs and gamer wanking.)

    Also, while the video may stir up some controversy, for some reason I’ve been seeing a lot of criticism along these lines of Sonic series lately. I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what. But anyway, their opinions closely match my own on Sonic.

    I was always a Nintendo kid, but Sonic did pique my curiosity. When I went over my friend’s house to play it, I was amped to run through the courses, but I quickly discovered (as Jack and Rich did) that the game’s design doesn’t really encourage you to go fast — it’s more about exploration and careful platforming. But though that style of play is effective, it always feels wrong. You mention Ninja Gaiden and that is a beautiful example of a game where the theme, the controls and the level design just feels right. Sonic is a much more incoherent experience.

    In Sonic, it’s fun at first to run through the loops, but apart from that I just ended up playing it like SMB3… but SMB3 had better controls and level design more focused around the primary mechanics of jumping and flying. And because Mario didn’t go so fast (and because he was smaller relative to the screen size) you could actually go fast more often because you had a reasonable amount of time to react. So for me, SMB3 actually felt faster than Sonic when it came to actually playing the game.

    I don’t doubt that once you get to know the levels in Sonic pretty well that you can go fast without being overly penalized for it, but the fact that you can’t enjoy the game’s trademark feature until you’ve achieved a fairly high level of mastery is a major design flaw.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I was wondering why it looked funny.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    You know what we could actually do wihth a lot less of? People saying “stop saying things a certain way because saying things that way is dumb”. Because saying things like that is dumb.

  • mk741

    Quite a poor video. Felt Jack or Rich failed to take into consideration that a video game is designed around the concept of trial and error, which essentially nixes all the hollow whinging about Sonic’s supposedly high difficulty/ “fundamentally flawed” design.

    The attempt to criticize the series for encouraging slower exploration of the levels’ hidden sections because the game was marketed for “speed” was beyond grating. That’s the equivalent of saying a game sucks because it encourages different playstyles.

    And now I look like a mad fanboy on the internet. Damn you frauds.

  • RaptorRex888

    …right

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    “now I look like a mad fanboy”

    Nah. Use more Caps Lock and swear words, like ‘fuck’, ‘assholes’, and ‘Bob Saget’.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    You know I never got truly frustrated playing that game but that probably because I never actually sat down and played the game until I got the emulator and I was constantly mashing the “save” and “load” state button…because fuck you you rolling rino!

  • http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/163554_10151466522002746_943882655_n.jpg Rafael Da Silva

    Crash Bandicoot is an infinitely better game than Sonic.

    Playstation didn’t really have a mascot though. Not other than Polygon Man, but he was dropped failry quickly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_Man

    If anything, I’d say Parappa the Rapper was more of a PS1 mascot than Crash Bandicoot ever was. Nowadays it seems like it’s Sackboy. Which is fine.

  • Percy Gryce

    Hmm, how can we turn this conversation back to movies? Well, Sonic was Sega’s answer to Mario. Mario originated in Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong was the subject of a well-received 2007 documentary called King of Kong. QED.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5TGDJJ9dIY

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    no but seriously, do you really want to be that guy on the internet who’s like “guys, guys, remember, this is just an opinion video” as if no one already fucking knows that?

  • George_Liquor

    See?

  • Ugh

    What’s wrong Taco you seem a little squirmy today. Second guessing yourself? Haha,

  • RaptorRex888

    No just giving my thoughts on the word and the way its used most of the time, no need to be hostile.

  • ChaosIsBeauty

    an italian plumber eating mushrooms to grow larger and stronger doesn’t exactly make perfect sense either, video games were by nature nonsensical back in the day

  • Stupid Wizard

    The random bouts of swearing have entered Pre-Rec!

  • Markham

    Don’t forget that Sonic is getting his own movie. And who could forget this classic?

    http://jarviscity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Super_Mario_Bros_POSTER.jpg

  • Percy Gryce

    Tru dat. Bob Hoskins, R.I.P.

  • mk741

    Just remember that every popular piece of entertainment in existence has been labelled as overrated.

    With that in mind, the word is moot as an attempt at criticism.

  • ChaosIsBeauty

    Legend, Anniversary and Underworld were all really good, the original games with tank controls haven’t aged well but were highly influential at the time

  • Ugh

    Babies can get meningitis from the word go, it can happen. So about that Sonic the Hedgehog feller.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Where do you find these? In Satan’s asshole?

  • Percy Gryce

    In the moose’s feed bucket. Can’t you read, Stupid Wizard?

  • Ugh

    I’ve seen this, and suggested it to people, and they were like “you’re suggesting I see a documentary about donkey kong nerds?” and I was like “yeah, I guess so”

  • Stupid Wizard
  • Stupid Wizard

    RIP Candy Girl

  • Ugh

    Nice save at the end there.

  • William Merrill

    A lot of great points but I don’t think any game should grant you immediate mastery over it’s trademark feature. You should work to earn it. But…As I said, I enjoy the Mario series more for most of the same reasons you just mentioned.

    SMB3 is a goddamned masterpiece that most plat formers can’t even come close to being compared to (With the exception of Rayman Legends maybe). Like Rich and Jack said, I think the biggest problem is the camera placement. The majority of threats cannot be seen until it’s too late, which encourages a lot of needless jumping in the first few play throughs of a level. Then again… Spamming the jump button is the way you get through most platformers, so that didn’t really bother me all too much.

    To keep this short I’ll admit to saying that the games have their flaws, but Sonic the Hedgehog, at least in my eyes, remains as a legitimately fun classic that people have every right to enjoy.

  • ChaosIsBeauty

    It’s really not a major design flaw at all, just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it flawed, and as far as people hating on sonic recently they’re mostly hating on the more recent sonic games which are basically complete crap

    Sonic and Mario are completely different games that are designed around different mentalities, the only real the two are compared is because of the great Sega/Nintendo rivalry of the time

    And the original Ninja Gaiden for NES is a fucking nightmare, it’s awesome but don’t get me started on those motherfucking birds

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    I’m not being the least bit hostile, I’m just saying It get tiresome seeing this comment. Even more tiresome than the well worn cliche it objects to. I guess I’m just objecting to the few people for whom things like this still have an impact. Yes, alone and without supporting ones point its meaningless. They did try to support their point (I would tend to agree that they failed in a few respects) but wouldn’t it be prudent to discuss those rather than just focusing on a single term that they let slip. It’s harmless in its own right but especially combined with the fact that everyone knows the term means nothing …

    you know what? fuck this.

  • Ritchie Martin

    No, it’s pretty over rated. The best aspect of the game are the graphics and cut scenes.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I will always stand by statement until proven wrong in the court of law within the state of Oregon; Nukie is the worst “film” ever made.

  • Stupid Wizard
  • Cameron Vale

    It’s probably meant to be a humorous contrast, like Ninja Turtles.

  • ChaosIsBeauty

    Crash 1-3 are masterpieces

    And you bring up a good point with the rivalry between the two companies of the era, they’re actually making a documentary about the “console war” between the two companies, it’s a fascinating part of video game history

  • ChaosIsBeauty

    I like my Genesis a hell of a lot more than my SNES, though that’s probably due to all of the games that are actually worth playing on SNES go for ridiculous prices (I’m looking at you every RPG for the SNES!)

  • G Hypolite

    -He, what are your names?
    -Mario Mario
    -Luigi Mario

  • Stupid Wizard

    I think those three games are good but not as good as everyone else thinks, I just think they’re too similar to each other.

  • Cameron Vale

    Something done much better by Sonic 2.

  • RaptorRex888

    Yes I know the term means nothing, that’s why I brought it up, they made their arguments throughout the rest of the video and I didn’t object to them doing that but for Jack it was all in relation to proving his hypothesis of ‘Most overrated game ever’

    I know this is just entertainment but it still annoys me, especially when people use the word to argue against some popular book, game or movie and feel as if that demolishes every point that could ever be brought up against it.

  • Ugh

    When you consider the mushrooms… it all makes sense.

  • Alex Lee

    “Can two plumbers save the world from going down the drain?”

    No.

  • Stupid Wizard

    You couldn’t tell with Lara and Sam’s relationship? It was hinted at but the writers weren’t allowed it I think or something like that. They really wanted to make her a lesbian.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    While we’re talking about video games, what’s your favorite cheetos flavor?

  • Hank_Henshaw

    There was this third person shooter called Heretic II that came out at around the same time Tomb Raider II, it was a so much better game, but Tomb Raider II hogged all the attention and sales.

    Tomb Raider’s claim to fame was the polygonal boobs. No, in all seriousness the first one was good and influential, but the early sequels were pretty bad. Better graphics, but somehow the gameplay got worse.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Where does the feeder get them then?

  • Stupid Wizard

    Really great games but nothing completely amazing about them.

  • Alex Lee

    I agree that the best aspects is the cinematic look of the game and how those cutscenes blend well with the gameplay.

    Maybe people want a good Indiana Jones game and this is the closest we get to it.

  • Cameron Vale

    Maybe there are Nintendo and Indie games that they hate, but they don’t see any reason to talk about them.

  • Percy Gryce

    Sally Ann and Good Will Hunting.

  • jaymanxyz2

    On Pre-Rec videos, we should show respect for our hosts. Call them “moopies.”

  • Ritchie Martin

    Are they really questioning the logic behind putting animal into robots in the Sonic games…? 2d Platformers for children. Like, at the point they’re just trying to find anything to complain about.

    Then after talking about their perceived reason why Sonic even exist they FINALLY actually talk about the game. They proceed to say, basically, much like Titanfall, that because they don’t know how ti play it, it’s bad.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    What’s “vibes”? Also “breaker breaker” and “Black Brigade” look fucking epic. Have you fed your moose laser mission? I’ll bet that moose would like laser mission.

  • RaptorRex888

    I like those types of dresses as you can just lift it up and go to work without fumbling and shit.

  • Harry Palm

    Nostalgia is a mother fucker.

  • Alex Lee

    Cameron Vale is right. Also, I suspect that the early video game developers were incredibly high at the time. Sonic and Mario and all those early video game characters make about as much sense as Gumbi.

  • http://hardycases.com/ Hale

    That’s a good point, but then, are hedgehogs known for being really slow or sluggish? You’d think for a contrast like that, you’d use a snail or something.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Blue

  • jaymanxyz2

    Blue Cheese?

  • Mike B

    The word ‘overrated’ is too overrated.

  • jaymanxyz2

    What’s sad is that I even know that off my head.

  • Percy Gryce

    RLM has them all. Hopefully we’ll see them someday.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Every time I go to Goodwill I get kicked out

  • Percy Gryce

    Nostalgie de la boue.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Yeah but laser mission…that one’s great.

  • Ugh

    I’m liking the format you’re going with. People can argue content and opinion all day, and will. I think discussion in different (and strange) locations is good. Perhaps sticking to the same location while playing though. Give us something familiar. END gets me and Richism quotes are always. well you know..Stamped quotes are good, I like em. Big long ones you can’t keep track of.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Rich and Jack are gonna piss off SammyClassicSonicFan

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/qQhjJ0BLxT0

  • http://hardycases.com/ Hale

    THAT GUINEA BASTARD KILLED SONIC! AND NOW HE’S WEARIN’ HIM LIKE A CHEAP SUIT!

  • Ugh

    Is this a fart joke?

  • Matthew Shannon

    sonic 3, and sonic and knuckles are the definitive sonic games. Both of them fixed a lot of the issues of the first two, although they still kept some of the bad. I think those two games are the reason Sonic is as iconic as he is.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    That kid is pissed.

  • Chris

    I am fine with this but I am biased as fuck in favour of Nintendo.

    I’ve only found Sonic CD to be an enjoyable game and that one’s maligned as being too easy.

  • jaymanxyz2

    …I don’t think so.

  • Cameron Vale

    So if I learn to play Sonic, and invest some serious time and effort into it, eventually I’ll start having fun?

  • jaymanxyz2

    Hmm….I should definitely do another run of the story.

  • Stupid Wizard

    This kid is currently 16 years old and he stills sounds the same. When I was sixteen I looked like Freddie Mercury and had the voice of Richard Epcar. I think this kid is cursed.

  • Dude

    Please stop making videos. You can’t even grasp the idea of flatting out the volume. I need to turn my speakers all the way up to hear your table talk and I end up having Jack screaming in my ear when the gameplay comes up.

    And it goes without saying that you don’t know shit about videogames. You’re just trying to come up with things to complain about, like bitching about plot points in a 2d platformer for kids.

    Also, sucking at video games =! poor design on the game’s part. I mean seriously, watching your gameplay footage is like watching my 4 year old cousin play racing games.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    I see some madman talking to himself in the corner of this webzone…Plinkett dat you?

  • Cameron

    Pretty lame review. Really highlights how Jack and Rich (as much as I love them) don’t really know that much about games, their history, or the studios behind them. Naughty Dog has been responsible for Crash Bandicoot, Jack and Daxter, and the Uncharted series. All have which have been arguably unofficial mascots of the psx, ps2, and ps3. It’s fine if you guys don’t like the games, but really if you’re going to diss a game like the classic sonics have some cross-examples of how the game design failed and how it could be better. “Slowing – down” the sonic games wouldn’t have made them better it would have just made them more like Mario.

  • Ugh

    You don’t sound too sure now.

  • Dude

    Also all the confirmation biases makes these videos insufferable to watch. If I wanted to watch a bunch of people agreeing with each other instead of challenging the bullshit each other says, I’d go surf reddit or something.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I thought you were deaf

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Guys, we’re getting off track…please, this is important.

  • Percy Gryce

    Wash your robe every once in a while.

  • Ugh

    sorry what?

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    See I hated Crash and Sonic because our family would only buy the Nintendo NES. Then I started to hate Mario because my dad would hog the damn game and play that thing in my bedroom while I tried to sleep.

    WHY DID YOU HAVE ALL THE FUN TACO?!

  • Ranger Boo

    No, the most overrated game of all time is the Mass Effect series. The first game was pretty good then after that everything sucked.

  • Stupid Wizard

    It’s just like Batman and Robin to Batman Begins as I said. I actually never found the older version of Lara that sexy, she’s just too unrealistic and fake to me. But the reboot ooohhhhh I likey.

    http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1166457/Tomb_Raider.jpg

  • Stupid Wizard

    Blame Santa he does the laundry here in the clouds.

  • http://rocketboy1313.blogspot.com/ Rocketboy1313

    Don’t be that guy. The “I guess you haven’t (blank)” guy. Nobody likes that guy.

  • Cameron Vale

    People like Sonic because the sights and sounds in the game are just generally very satisfying and memorable. However the level design and game mechanics are deeply flawed.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Were we ever on track?

  • Ugh

    If I knew who those people were I’d say you were dating yourself.

  • Ugh

    There is a track now?

  • Stupid Wizard

    I don’t know but I think Chris Evans and a Korean derailed us.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Bio struck gold with KOTOR 1 and 2 and to a lesser extent Jade empire…but i cam late to the party and picked up ME2 and I was all “the fuck?” and then dragon age 2 and i was just heartbroken…

  • Stupid Wizard

    I’m not, I’m stuck in Portland Oregon. Dating barely exists. Most relationships I have last at most three months, the same applies to my friends, co-workers, and people I haven’t met.

  • Ugh

    That sounds awesome.

  • Stupid Wizard

    KoTOR 2 was not BioWare, sorry if I fanboyed out there. Mass Effect 2 for me is the greatest sequel in gaming history, the first game was great but it wasn’t KoTOR great. Mass Effect 2 improved on so many areas. Not to mention the addition of Miranda Lawson.
    http://honestcake.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/59871_orig.jpg

    I have a thing for british chicks and japanese chicks.

    http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130613005306/deadliestfiction/images/2/29/Kasumi_Goto_02_by_johntesh.jpg

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Well, fine you guys just talk about a deaf chris evens driving a train over the Koran in Korea or whatever…My favorite cheetos flavor is “original”.

  • Stupid Wizard

    It is awesome. All we do in Portland is eat asian food, dress like we’re from the movie Her, and not wear fedoras. Seriously fedoras look stupid on people. I blame tumblr.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I think I prefer this shorter, more concise version of their review. They go into more detail about why Saniks is a flawed game.

    http://youtu.be/g549hNlz2DY

  • Mario Bros

    You don’t want to go there….

  • Ugh

    Well, at least he’s not peddling Cheetos any more.

  • Galactic Shawn

    Sonic was the most frustrating game I ever played when I was young and thus I vote it to be: “Most thrown cartridge at a wall”

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I grew up with Polio …

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    This is SO unrealistic.

    Italians have FAR more hair than that.

  • Mark Bisone

    The guy in the youtube still-frame is someone I know a little bit. By knowing, I mean he was a friend of a friend who I met “””socially””” on a couple of occasions, and who I drove back to Hoboken after someone’s wedding. And that’s all I feel comfortable saying about the subject.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I’ve been meaning to watch this. I got a short while into it and forgot to go back and watch the rest. I was enjoying it, too.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    How much money do you spend each month sending RLM videos and other findings?

  • JackgarPrime

    Sounds like someone didn’t learn how to Spin Dash!

  • Ugh

    That was the most apprehensive kinda sort claim to a little bit of fame of someone else I’ve ever heard. I wish to know more.

  • Ugh

    I wasn’t going to say anything.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Wait, so you’re telling me that what I claimed and what is true in reality are two different, almost opposing things?

    I was trying to be sarcastic in my original comment but I guess I didn’t include enough clues.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I second you saying that “Crash 1-3 are masterpieces”. A bit or personal bias in me agreeing with you, but fuck it!

  • Daniel Adams

    The originals aren’t terrible, but i would rather play a Mario Brothers game if I had the choice. Unfortunately though, I know too many Sonic apologists out there who defend anything with the name of Sonic on it. There is no point in arguing with them, so I just show them http://dumbrunningsonic.tumblr.com/

  • Mario Bros

    Get this kid a tablet you stupid parents

  • Stupid Wizard

    They’re all stupid immature creepy perverted weridos.

  • Ugh

    Clearly it is a a “don’t tread on me” he grew up on a farm.

  • Jeremiah Lambert

    yeah. never once did i see you guys spin roll or spin dash during the fast portions of the game. that was sorta essential to those parts.

  • Vincent Yu

    All generalizations are true. Absolutely.

  • Mario Bros
  • El_Runko

    Me too, fucking loved that guy.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Video games are actually what helped me get through my parents divorce/breakup. I was playing a video game right before and directly after my mother told me they were going to separate.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Don’t take his comment out of context just to be a pretentious dick.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash
  • CalamityCorp

    Meow, let’s get back on track.

  • Lieutenant Whaaat?

    Sanic… wat u doin? Sanic. Stahp.

  • Stupid Wizard
  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    After seeing this originally, I used that voice randomly throughout my day and cracked myself up. I don’t think anyone else found it funny except for me.

  • Ugh

    What I find most confusing is the concept of gamers or game critics in the 80s.Was this really happening? Quick to the library before the last of the microfiche readers are retired.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I use that voice when I play games with a silent protagonists. My roommates can’t stand it sometimes.

  • Stupid Wizard

    It only applies to those…people.

  • Junkie

    How did you go the entire review without mentioning the highly disturbing, never fading furry community that Sonic seems to attract.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    On a more serious note, something that I was just reminded of in the comments down below, I recall playing a video game when my mother broke the news to me that my parents were splitting up.

    It was during the late summer of 2003, 11 years ago now. I was sitting on the living room floor cross-legged, like I often did, staring into the TV with PSX controller in hand. I was playing “World’s Scariest Police Chases”, some game loosely based around a TV series on Fox of the same name. I’m not sure how the video game would hold up currently, but I know while I was playing it that I really enjoyed it. I’m getting nostalgic feelings right now just thinking about it, actually.

    My parents were in the kitchen having an argument or something. I can’t even recall how long it went on for. Eventually my mother came out and talked with me. I had paused the game most likely. I can’t even remember how she told me or what she said. I can barely remember how I reacted, either. I knew it was a big deal, but I think a small part of me saw it coming.

    I knew that things were going to suck, though, and I really wanted to get back to enjoying the more simple task of being a good guy in a cop car stopping bad guys in their cars. Perhaps the game offered me a form of control, giving me power over others to fix things that are wrong, things I didn’t have power or control over in real life. It was also a distraction, as I didn’t want to think or deal with real life right at that moment. There was plenty of time throughout the rest of the summer to think about what my mom told me and to deal with the impending separation, but right then I wanted my own time and space to enjoy playing that video game.

    Nearly half my life has passed since then [that gives you a slight clue as to my age] and I’m glad I’ve had the experiences with video games that I’ve had. Nearly all of them are fond memories. There were plenty of times where I’d bond with friends and family over them, kill time honing my skills for something difficult or needlessly wandering a digital landscape, or laugh to the point of tears from something that happened while playing.

    I don’t play video games nearly as often anymore [hell, the latest system that I have is a PS2], but I can’t deny the almost magical quality that video games have brought into my life. It feels almost unreal thinking back on some of the memories I have that revolved around them.

    Does anybody else have anything in a similar vein? I’d enjoy hearing about them as I feel they probably hold fond or important memories for many other people as well.

  • Conner Werty

    AHHHHHH Dslr footage! Doesnt feel like RLM!

  • Stupid Wizard
  • Stupid Wizard

    You ain’t kitten

  • Manioc

    Oh hey look, two guys who are bad at videogames are bashing a venerable, beloved franchise with millions of horrible manbaby fans.

    Click click click click click

    If you guys are seriously hard up for views or whatever, set up a scarecam, scream at whatever stupid shit spooks the Western world’s 12-year-olds & watch the Mad Internet Dough roll in.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Strange idea but if Rich and Jack have opinions?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Really? I always wondered why I like the OG better…still liked 2 just fine. But KOTOR man…i still play that game…ME though…i dunno, I wanted to switch between characters and I forget what exactly bugged me about the skill tree or whatever but it just wasn’t for me.

  • RaptorRex888

    I really, really REALLY like bangs, also known as fringes or hime-cuts, they make me so goddamn hard I can’t even explain why.

  • RaptorRex888

    KOTOR 2 with TSLRCM is an absolute masterpiece.

  • HNSZ

    A quarter second is 500 milliseconds more than the neural reaction time which leaves exactly 500 milliseconds to jump into the mob.

  • Noah Roalson

    I would be interested in hearing your guys’ thoughts on games like Uncharted and Halo. Both are similar to Sonic in the fact that they were used heavily to sell systems, however, they are both large franchises to this date and are still highly praised and sequels are highly anticipated.

  • HNSZ

    I don’t know, this is still somewhat cute.
    Angry german kid is what keeps lay awake at night.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcctWbC8Q0

  • Callum Fernley

    500 milliseconds is half a second; neural reaction time is not negative 250 milliseconds. That would be impossible.

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    As bad as it is, it’s a guilty pleasure of mine.

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    I kinda got something similar.

    My dad and I used to play The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past on the SNES together almost every weekend. We would take turns watching each other play and help each other with some of the puzzles. He worked at as truck driver so his weekday hours were a bit wonky, but Saturday mornings were reserved for fighting the evil forces of Ganon.

    Hell, one of my earliest memories was watching my father and my uncle play the original Legend of Zelda game on the NES. I just remember watching the screen scroll over to new parts of the map and just staring at them play.

    When Ocarina of Time came out, he bought it and we spent all of one Saturday playing it. He wasn’t as used to 3D games as I had become, but he watched on. I spent a lot more time playing than he did, but he didn’t seem to mind.

    Unfortunately, in 2004 my father was killed in a truck accident when I was about 12 years old; some college kid fell asleep behind the wheel and my dad swerved to miss him. The kid lived, my father did not.

    Ever since then, I have always felt this weird connection to The Legend of Zelda franchise. I think a lot of it was my way of coping with his passing. My Link to the Past cartridge still has his name on one of the save files.

    Part of me feels like when I play, my dad is there with me, watching as he once did.

    Perhaps I am a bit of a Nintendo fanboy, but it’s what I grew up with, and I have a connection to it that will never fade away. I have owned systems from other companies and played games that I’ve fallen in love with, but nothing will ever compare to The Legend of Zelda.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    500 milliseconds = 0.5 seconds.
    A quarter second = 0.25 seconds.
    0.25 seconds – 0.5 seconds = -0.25 seconds.

    Neural reaction time is -0.25 seconds?

    That don’t make no sense, yo, and I can’t seem to figure out where you went wrong.

  • Daniel

    hey guys, your series is getting more interesting with each episode. i wish you would use 2 DSLRs, instead of just one though. Also, watch the audio level being way louder when you cut to Rich and Jack playing the games on the couch. ;-)

  • Paulus Cañamonjas

    I got Super Metroid and Secret of Mana for christmas, 1994 I think. That was a wonderful year for videogames.

  • Fred Frink

    Back in the day, around 13, my brother & i decided to go halves in a system. I skipped 2 days of school, hired a super nintendo from the video store on the first day, megadrive the next. Ok lots of cones to smoke, lots of games to play, lets see which baby is the chosen one.

    It wasnt really a choice. Megadrive, what a piece of shit. The cheapest clunkiest plastic controller & system. Then sonic came along, I switched it on and the game was finished in a few hours. I had never played before. That’s it game finished. I could have had my eyes shut half the levels. A very underwhelming experience. I remember thinking alone the lines of ‘wtf? before this day i had thought of it as a tough decision.’

    Why did anyone buy it or a sega? Was is it your chance to play Altered beast or something. Just really shocked me how much of a piece of crap it was.

  • Paulus Cañamonjas

    I agree with your statement about Lara Croft being a Sony icon, I would include Cloud or Sephirot (any character really) from FFVII.
    Crash has the mascot status because it´s a kiddy looking platformer (like Sonic and Mario), and was one of the first games/franchises for the PS (like Sonic and Mario; although Mario´s history is complicated) You have to admit is creative. Personally, I couldn´t play that game for more than 15 minutes.

    On another note, I don´t think there´s only 1 “mascot” per console. Nintendo had Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi and lots of Capcom.
    Sega had Sonic and…Alex Kid?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    The only time anyone ever uses hyperbolic speech is as a cynical cash grab.

  • ScottishLassie

    Very funny.
    I loved the Mario games but not the Sonic ones. I never knew why until now. lol

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Your fan-boner is showing.

  • Yakui

    Doing this video was really a bad choice, and I’m not a even a sonic fan, but you don’t bring any valid point, you suck at the game, fail to understand the levels and think it’s crap because it should somehow be handed to you, Pre-Rec overall I think was a bad choice, and please, put Jack Packard away from the cameras, he’s NOT funny, and he never has any interesting opinion to bring up, he barely even seem to know about videogames and even when you’re discussing movies he’s always boring.

  • Punkster

    I’ve been wondering if Rich and Jack played any video games much as kids? The show is entertaining as fuck by the way, I’m just making an observation here, not hating.
    I’ve also wondered if you guys are the experts at RLM on this subject, then I’m not sure what it would be like, if it were Mike and Jay doing this show instead?

    Hmmm… Actually… I would enjoy watching that too.
    This should be a thing, make it so?

  • Punkster

    Woah there!
    It’s all for shits ‘n’ giggles, does it really matter what they think of an old game from over 20 years ago?

  • http://mentalcrash.deviantart.com Yakui

    It does when they’re getting paid via donations and patreon and putting their faces on a clickbait video such as this without really bringing any valid criticism.
    Jack seems to love clickbaiting and really doesn’t understand how to criticise anything properly, looking at Gamestation 2.0, Rich was by himself bringing up actual valid criticism to the games he reviewed, comparing it to previous installments if there were any, and making sure you got a fair analysis of the game, not just bashing it because they were bad at it, which is the case with this video.

  • Real Quantum

    He’s a Jedi, they see things before they happen.
    That’s why they seem to have faster reflexes, because of the midichloreans, which are tiny living- *shoots himself in the mouth*

  • Real Quantum

    Well, I would argue they get paid to say what they think, not what you think.
    Some people will like it, others will not.

    Anything new under the sun?
    Nope!

  • Mike Ortiz

    No, it’ll be fun far earlier than that for two reasons. 1) It’s about the journey, not the destination. 2) It wouldn’t take serious time and effort. This is a game that 10 year olds could play easily, it’s not brain surgery.

    The point’s been made here often enough, but the main problem is that they’re kind of bad at playing platformers, or at least this particular one.

    I’ll try a different analogy. I’m terrible at golf, and didn’t like it the first time I played. Most people who play enjoy the game even while they have to get practice to get better at it. Now, just because I suck at it, it doesn’t mean that the game is poorly designed or overrated. What’s the expression? It’s a poor golfer that blames his clubs?

  • http://mentalcrash.deviantart.com Yakui

    I don’t mind if they bash a game I love (Which isn’t really the case with Sonic), let’s say they bring actual criticism on Silent Hill, or Chrono Trigger, or Dark Souls, if they make a video where they criticise these properly and bring out valid points I wouldn’t mind, the problem is that this is supposed to be critic, not opinions, they should get paid for bringing out an actual interesting discussion instead of just clickbaiting by saying the game is bad because they don’t understand it.

    Most Illogical

  • son of pluto

    Can the BALD GUY for christs sake

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    You know what was really unfair though? Them applying logic to the
    behavior of the becyborged animals…you can’t do that! First of all you
    cant say that as soon as an animal dons a robot exoskeleton that it’s
    going to have the same hierarchy of needs obviously having the ability
    to rocket spikes out of your back or to fly completely parallel to the
    ground and through solid objects and to move perpetually without needing
    to eat or sleep is going to change the way you behave…and secondly
    its a fucking videogame you noobs! Don’t criticize what you don’t
    understand you fucking hacks!

  • Real Quantum

    I understand where you’re coming from, I guess.
    I think it is a matter of expectation, really, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

    You seem to expect that they behave like IGN or Gamespot, or even like Video Game Nerd or the Angry Reviews guy.

    They are just guys having an informal chat.
    And I, for one, like that.

    Also, you seem to be angry about “clickbaiting”.
    What gives?

    I agree they bashed the game, in part, because of their inability to play it.
    Heck, I, like you, don’t like Sonic that much.
    I also felt it was unnecessary to debate if the robots are animals or whatnot, however, if you take some things with a pinch a salt (as I feel it is intended), none of that anger matters.

    Oh, and give Jack a chance. He grows on you :)

  • Fred Frink

    no not really. I’m not beholden to nintendo. I havent bought another of their products since. Im just saying i had these 2 items in front of me for a decent test drive and one was a piece of shit.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Poor sonic!

    You fucking bullies!!!

    *weeps*

  • Fred Frink

    Hey , sorry but Sonic is the ‘Transformers’ of video games.
    Lights flash, sounds happen.

  • http://mentalcrash.deviantart.com Yakui

    I don’t watch IGN or Gamespot, and I only expect them to bring actual criticism instead of opinions.

    Look at the Plinkett and HitB reviews, they’re fair with good and bad things, and if a movies comes out that they expect to be bad but turns out to be good (And viceversa), they make sure to tell you that and why is it worth watching.

    And putting up this sort of title is really nothing but clickbait, places like FA or dA are swamped with furries who will rage at this video if they find out, but they will stll watch it, and that’s a very very pathetic way of gettng views on your stuff, opinions and controversy instead of criticism and actual discussion of the game’s mechanics.

    And no, Jack “Hee Hee Pee Pee” doesn’t grown on me, they should keep him locked in the editing room, he’s boring, unfunny, non laugh-worthy, and he always spouts opinions instead of doing proper criticism.

  • Real Quantum

    Hey man, whatever rocks your boat ;)
    Be seeing you.

  • http://mentalcrash.deviantart.com Yakui

    Call of Duty is the Transformers of videogames, lots of noise, stupid repetitive scripts and explosions everywhere.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd
  • Fred Frink

    No because its started fine and world at war was good however Transformers has never been good.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Judge Dredd in a comic???

  • http://mentalcrash.deviantart.com Yakui

    Transformers wasn’t created by Michael Bay, think about Call of Duty as a classic FPS franchise that got taken by a bunch of sleazy corporate assholes, exact same happened to Transformers

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Pure logic Spokky.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    potes delterd

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    I agree on some points. But I cant’ really call it clickbait. I think the format is not to have a indepth discussion nor disection of games. There are plenty of those clips on the tube. I don’t think it is aswell produced as other RLM stuff but I think they make valid points. That Sonic is not aswell made as we pretent it to be and that could be the reason why there are no good remakes. I am not hte biggest fan of the editing and sometimes it gets a little too childish with the jokes. If they would change the format to gamestation 2.0 I would sell my mother to be able to give them more patreon maney.

  • Jason Andrew Wendleton

    I feel better about slow-walking through the Sonic games now.

  • Jason Andrew Wendleton

    I thought he was just a message board commentator.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Right?

  • Hieronymus Friedrich von Münch

    looks kinda like you didn’t know you can spin along the ground

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Thanks for classing up the place. Commom rabble should stick to just shoveling dung.

  • moleman124

    Lol what a noob, No spin dash, no multiplayer . no mention of the creative bonus levels or stages (like pinball) or awesome music (michael jackson did the music for sonic 3).The Game is a lot more fun when you go fast and almost fly thru the level. It isn’t the best game ever,but it’s much better than they were stating

    Pretty bad review. Jack went in with bias and worked the shoehorn over on Rich till he gave in and “agreed” (tho Rich reign him in a bit).
    Jacks bias was derived on him being butthurt, Mario has to share some minor limelight and him being a total Noob.

    Bring back Game Station 2.Rich Evans only.

  • Tyler Young

    The labyrinthian level design’s great. Exploration has always been a beloved staple of Sonic the same way his speed has. If you want to speed through levels, you can (post-Sonic 1)–as long as you practice at it. If you want to go slow and steady, the game is still playable and offers a different experience through the aforementioned exploration.

  • SuperGirl95

    Mmm, I’d let him touch my naughty bits.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    so…it’s titanfall epizode 2.0?

  • SuperGirl95

    Aw, I really like seeing Jim on camera. :(

    He IS funny and I like his personality.

    I want to have his babies.

  • dollar store cashier wife
  • forkinthebrain

    Maybe this review would have been more positive if either of them bothered to REMOVE THE FORKS FROM THEIR BRAINS AND ROLL

    ps. Dr. Ramashandran took the fork I jammed in his brain out so I stuck I firecracker inside instead. Now he watches pre-rec

  • Muthsarah

    Not that I’m disagreeing with you on the flaws of Sonic’s gameplay, but regarding fundamental flaws in classic games:

    Contra had 8-way shooting in a side-scrolling platform shooter. Gave that game PERFECT play control. But Mega Man never introduced that (except with one MM2 boss weapon). Mega Man could only shoot left or right (and maybe up in the later versions). This made it a lot harder to shoot enemies, and made it necessary for enemies to have flight/attack paths that could be defeated with a forward shot and maybe a jump. Giving Mega Man more attack options could have led to more intricate enemies, as well as make the game less restricting. It’s a lot less frustrating to die because you missed an enemy you could have hit, rather than get killed by an enemy you had a hard time even hitting because of the limitations of the game.

    Is this a fundamental flaw in Mega Man?

  • Eric Monaghan

    Jack is my favorite dude at RLM. He’s awesome. Yakui, go eat a sandwich. Go draw some fucking anime.

  • AnthonyMcEdwards

    Obvious Nintendo fanboys who’s parents wouldn’t buy the a Sega and have been practicing this review since fourth grade.

    Unsubscribed.

  • Ragged Gypsy

    It wasn’t what you said, it was the way you said it. Put a little more inflection in your voice next time.

  • Michal Richter

    !!!!VOLUME!!! levels, people volume !!!LEVELS!!!

  • Cactus

    The first Sonic game is hardly overrated. I’ve never heard is described as any more than ‘good’

  • Where’s Paul Verhoeven?

    This is far more conductive to a worthwhile Sanik discussion.

  • Real Quantum

    What a fucking hornets nest you have uncovered, guys!

    http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsar3lx1n41qdf6w8o1_500.gif

  • Real Quantum

    Thanks!
    :)
    Yousa piunish Jar Jar already?

  • Torgo’s Giant Knees

    If I agree with Jack and Rich that Sonic the Hedgehog blows but then proceed to state that Jazz Jackrabbit was pretty damn good, will the inbound, rage-filled furries get confused?

  • Captain Dicknose

    The boss battles were good. The chaotic level design with spikes everywhere sucked. As a kid, I got sick off some old ingredients in homemade lollipops we had made, but I was playing Sonic at the time so I always blamed it on him..

  • Alex Lee

    Call of Duty also feels more like pandering to its 13 year old base. Have any of those kids ever been modded?

  • Gene Parmesan

    I actually never had much fun playing the main series of crash bandicoot games, but I loved all of the spin off party games attached to it. Nitro Kart and Crash Bash were some of the funnest things ever made, even if they were completely derivative.

  • Alex Lee

    I blame the stupidity of fedoras on people who don’t wear suits with fedoras. At least a suit creates a legitimate retro theme. Without it, they just look like hipsters too lazy to devote to the retro-ness of the fedora.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd
  • Palpatine

    I wonder if they’ll say Nukie is so bad it’s good, or call it the worst “film” they’ve ever seen? The only other person I’ve seen review the movie is the Cinema Snob (the only member of That Guy With The Glasses who I like) and he seems to really hate the movie, and called it one the worst he’s ever seen.

  • Now I Get It
  • Mike Jakermen

    Frankly i never had a problem with Sonic the Hedgehog. Its difficult. But not impossible. It was the Castlevania games that was a Bitch. I had Castlevania Adventures for the Gameboy since i was 9 years old. And to this day i can not beat it without some help (aka Game Genie). Besides Sonic the Hedgehog had one of the best soundtracks for a 16bit video game and frankly i find it as fun to play as any of the Mario Games.

  • spicy

    In Sonic the timer counts up forever, in Mario the timer counts down to your failure.

  • intdydx
  • Jerry Jackson

    Hogwash.

    Someone is a Mario/Nintendo fanboy.

  • Mike DeCosta

    you’re just bad at sonic. Like really bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOAdhUlkt0

    At the time it came out, the graphics were really fresh and vibrant. The spinning character that would wheel around the map and through corckscrews and kill enemies was new and the effective way to play sonic. The soundtrack was really good.

    Maybe not the best game of all time, but at the time it was realesed, it was probably top 5.

  • Sig

    I never saw the marketing and I enjoyed Sonic a lot when I was a kid so it can’t have been the marketing gimmick that made me like Sonic and I’m Icelandic such advertisements were non existent at the time so we just had games we knew nothing about until we played them.

  • woknokmokpok

    Face palm.

  • Alex Lee

    The spikes are what I mean by punishing. You learn to avoid them by memorizing their placement, not by perceiving them as a possible threat.

  • mizzl

    I think you are being a little bit unfair with the game overall. It is just a difficult game, that doesn’t make it bad. It is true that Sonic started out as a tech demo and was designed to market sega in the west. But the amount of time and care put into it gave you a feeling of speed unseen in this era of game design.
    The way i played sonic is more as a mix out of pinball/shoot’m’up. You get in with speed and then learn when to push the right button. Similar to a pinball system. I also liked the dreamcast version of sonic. So much to your argument, that you cannot make a good sonic game today.

    After reading this:
    http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Development:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%2816-bit%29
    i can understand that the main flaw, which is it’s sometimes unfair difficulty came from the idea of appealing to the west.

    “As the engine became solid and the visual style of the world grew,
    Hirokazu Yasuhara sought to create an experience that did not appeal to
    just one particular market. Knowing that the west was more interested in
    challenging obstacles while the east tended to be more casual with
    their mainstream gaming, Yasuhara wanted to make a game that balanced
    both of those qualities. Careful consideration was put into the
    construction of each unique zone, Yasuhara working on the level design
    of every act. The one level that was recreated time and time again was
    the Green Hill Zone, taking half a year until it reached a nearly complete state. As this was the player’s first exposure to what Sonic the Hedgehog
    was to be, it was imperative that it have a careful balance of
    challenge and fun, also tying into Naka’s philosophy of being able to
    better your time and skill through subsequent playthroughs.”

  • mizzl

    I think you are being a little bit unfair with the game overall. It is just a difficult game, that doesn’t make it bad. It is true that Sonic started out as a tech demo and was designed to market sega in the west. But the amount of time and care put into it gave you a feeling of speed unseen in this era of game design.
    The way i played sonic is more as a mix out of pinball/shoot’m’up. You get in with speed and then learn when to push the right button. Similar to a pinball system. I also liked the dreamcast version of sonic. So much to your argument, that you cannot make a good sonic game today.

    After reading this:
    http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Development:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%2816-bit%29
    i can understand that the main flaw, which is it’s sometimes unfair difficulty came from the idea of appealing to the west.

    “As the engine became solid and the visual style of the world grew,
    Hirokazu Yasuhara sought to create an experience that did not appeal to
    just one particular market. Knowing that the west was more interested in
    challenging obstacles while the east tended to be more casual with
    their mainstream gaming, Yasuhara wanted to make a game that balanced
    both of those qualities. Careful consideration was put into the
    construction of each unique zone, Yasuhara working on the level design
    of every act. The one level that was recreated time and time again was
    the Green Hill Zone, taking half a year until it reached a nearly complete state. As this was the player’s first exposure to what Sonic the Hedgehog
    was to be, it was imperative that it have a careful balance of
    challenge and fun, also tying into Naka’s philosophy of being able to
    better your time and skill through subsequent playthroughs.”

  • Brandon

    I would call myself a Sonic fan, but I would definitely agree that Sonic 1 and 2 are highly overrated games. I never found the first Sonic to be particularly enjoyable and thought the level design was really counter-intuitive. One of the biggest draws to Sonic games (at least for me) would be the music. At the time, the games had at least semi-memorable soundtracks which were a nice contrast to the simple, re-used themes that ran throughout the Mario games (not that they were bad, it’s just that the music was dependent on the level type, as opposed to Sonic having a unique song for each stage). Even the worst Sonic games have very enjoyable tunes (like Knuckles Chaotix for the failed 32x addon).

    On the other hand, I have to say that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (locked on to the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge) is leaps and bounds better than the first two games. It’s far less frustrating, the levels are designed much more intelligently to provide more variety of speed sections, platforming and exploration. There’s an entire sub-quest built around obtaining 7 chaos emeralds and 7 super emeralds for each playable character, which unlocks a unique “super” mode for each of them that has different functions. The levels had separate paths that were only accessible to whatever character you were controlling (whether it be Sonic, Tails or Knuckles) and pretty much every stage had really enjoyable 16 bit tunes.

    As far as modern Sonic goes, I couldn’t agree more that he’s been pretty much a massive failure since the Genesis era ended. The Sonic Adventure games are remembered fondly by the obsessive Sonic community but they’re pretty much abysmal games that only have a few good sections, primarily the ones where you’re controlling Sonic (or Shadow, I guess). Sonic Generations got it right, which is likely because they made “classic” versions of every stage that you control a 2D Sonic in – with much, much better stage design than what you’d expect from the Genesis era (way less cheap deaths due to horribly placed hazards, way less dependency on 1 millisecond respond time to avoid an enemy). They also managed to make the “modern” stages so simple and easy to control that it actually felt fun to hold in one button for the majority of the stage and jump and steer every now and then. Sonic Colors managed the same thing, but what are two games in a sea of bad releases?

    Mario is still better, though. In every way. Nintendo has always had much more imaginative and skilled developers, and they will always be the king of the platforming genre. Even the worst Mario game (NSMB2?) is more fun and interesting than the best Sonic game. At least a Mario game won’t make me cringe thanks to Nintendo choosing to avoid adding arbitrary voice acting to a genre that really, really doesn’t need it.

  • Mark Bisone

    Nah, I just thought it was weird when he suddenly popped up in this documentary I was watching. The last time I’d seen him he was a young stockbroker making a killing on Wall Street. I guess he retired with all that loot and joined a classic arcade game cult. I did know he was into those, since he had a Donkey Kong machine at his pad, as well as one other (Frogger?). Strange dude.

  • Real Quantum

    Oh my Friggin Lord!! :D

  • http://leighmcg.com/ Leigh McG

    Look if you’re gonna play Sonic you need to learn how to gain momentum and roll. I didn’t see you roll once. Do you even know what a spin dash is?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    JIM?!

    His name is AIDS Moby, you clown!

  • http://leighmcg.com/ Leigh McG

    Seriously ROLL motherfuckers ROLL.

  • Sam

    I don’t know if Sonic is highly regarded enough to be considered overrated. Opinions differ pretty wildly, in my experience.

  • Worm

    Yeah I think that’s it for me.

  • thehilblog

    Guys… PLEASE… I watched like 30 seconds of this and then looked at the comments and realized where it was going so I stopped. STOP REVIEWING VIDEOGAMES. Just stop, it’s embarrassing and your pissing off your fans. Stick to movies, please.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    “the problem is that this is supposed to be critic”

    A) I think you mean ‘critique’.
    B) Why do you assume Pre-Rec is a critique show? To me it just seems like two guys who enjoy playing videos games and then talk about them. It seems most of your frustration stems from this [and your disdain for Jack and the 'clickbait' title].

  • Mortiis558

    First off, it seems like these guys forgot about ROLLING. That when you go fast, if you roll, you can “break” the enemies. I only bring it up because they don’t show ANY footage of the rolling as Sonic. Secondly they forget what games were like back then. They were difficult for replayability. You were supposed to memorize levels and react before. I am not saying this is good game design, but it is what it is. If you want to judge 16 bit games by today’s standards everything is going to be over-rated and hard as hell. I just don’t agree that Sonic is over-rated. The level design for me was about two competing play-styles. You had the route where you could go fast and try and get the ring to pop up so you could try for the chaos emerald and then you had the “exploratory” route, where you would take your time and have power-ups and extra lives.

    Maybe I am viewing this too much through nostalgia, I just have different memories of Sonic. I really enjoyed Sonic 1 (except for World 4, fuck that level) but I do kind of have to agree with the design being flawed fundamentally. Though I think it could be fixed and made into a fun game these days.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    “hired a super nintendo”

    What?

    “I could have had my eyes shut half the levels.”

    Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

  • Sam

    the Genesis Sonic games have a time limit of 10 minutes per stage. The clock counts up mostly for speedrun purposes.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Actually, midi-chlorians are cocaine.

    http://youtu.be/WSCm8yAxBr8?t=9m6s

  • Golf Frog

    I think you’re drastically over-estimating how much anyone at RLM gives a shit about furries.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Yeah, I had no idea they even existed until reading about it in the comments on here.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    >I watched like 30 seconds
    >STOP REVIEWING VIDEOGAMES

    Very informed opinion.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I thot Rish Evins was a Stony fanboy until he Crashed Bandicoot.

  • Real Quantum

    Heroin.
    You should quote the video which is going to be the next 15 minutes of my life with more attention.
    And for that, Sir, I thank you ;)

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Wow. I can’t believe Lucas left in a clip where his actor was yelling at him.

    One of the rare cases where B-Roll gets put into the finished product.

  • Real Quantum

    I’ve only heard about them in porn sites.
    Need to learn more references, I guess.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I’m pretty sure Freddie Mercury is the lead singer of Queens of the Stone Age.

  • thehilblog

    Like their very informed opinions on games? My point was that after the Titanfall vid, I could see where this was going and didn’t want to get annoyed so I quit.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Don’t get too hung up on their ‘animals in robots’ spiel. I think it was mostly meant for laughs.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Yes.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    TURBO!

    Voiced by Green Lantern …

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Deadpan is the way to go. Confuse your listeners. Make them question your sanity.

  • http://lighterthanheir.com/ nalem

    Man, you guys stink at this game, like really really bad at it

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I’m on a soapbox. I’m allowed to get as angry as I want on here, right?

  • http://perfecttommyhk.wordpress.com/ perfecttommy

    I never got into Sonic, who always seemed like a lame Mario knock-off to me.

    I had the Genesis when it first came out, which came with Altered Beast.

    Clearly Sega felt they needed a mascot, and for a while it looked Alex Kidd (anybody remember him?) was the one for the job until Sonic came around.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I quoted the video and then put the video is as an afterthought.

    I have brought great dishonour to my family. Forgive me.

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4267597/zoidberg-seppuku-o-s.gif

    Warning: Typing seppuku into Google Images will give you more anime porn than you’d expect.

  • NULL

    Like the idea of this, but the games so far haven’t lent themselves to very entertaining episodes, other than the Banner Saga one. Maybe do something like Banished that many people haven’t played?

  • Jayless

    Wait.. wa.. they’re just PRETENDING!?
    But mister Plinkett is real right? RIGHT!?

  • Real Quantum

    Don’t do it!
    I need you to keep linking cool stuff on YouTube :D

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    If that was your point then it would have made sense to include it in your original comment. Instead it seems you watched only 30 seconds, read comments, and then came to a hasty conclusion.

    Them voicing their uninformed opinions isn’t a good defence for you voicing your uninformed opinions.

    Also, before anyone assumes I’m defending them, I actually disagree with their opinions about Sonic, but that doesn’t mean I agree with everyone who disagrees with them.

    Look what you’ve made me do. You made me actually show signs that I care. There goes all my cool points and street cred. Jerk.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Did you enjoy the video?

  • Real Quantum

    He’s a dude???

  • AdamCoates

    “TAILS, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER!”
    I’m really looking forward to Mario Kart 8, because it is quite fun, but I can see some good Rich Evans exclamations coming from that one.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Even if I don’t agree with their opinions in this video, I must say I haven’t seen the comments this heated since their Man of Steel review.

    My snacks are ready.

  • Real Quantum

    I did, but then again, I’m a sucker for goofy shit ;)

  • thehilblog

    You’re right, my bad on being too obtuse. Apologies, it’s been a rough morning. I should have prefaced by saying that I’ve watched all their previous videos, so I’ve gotten a feel for what they’re like. They were fun, but the negativity was a little grating. Wasn’t familiar with any of the games though, so I just rolled with it. Then the Titanfall vid came out and that’s where I formed this opinion. Watched that whole vid and was a little shocked.

    I should note I’m not a Titanfall fanboy. I love the game, but I think it has a lot of flaws. But they didn’t address those flaws, they just complained about not understanding how it’s played and getting trashed by people who do.

    When I saw this video posted it seemed like obvious clickbait because it’s auto-controversy as Sonic has a very devoted fanbase (one I’m not actually a part of). I’d like to think it’s not actually clickbait because that doesn’t seem to be how RLM rolls, but after watching a little bit of it (30 secs was hyperbole, I watched a few minutes, really) I could see it would just be the Titanfall video all over again.

    I really love RLM and I’m not trying to troll or anything. This is honestly my favorite website, so I think I’m just feeling upset because PreRec seems so antithetical to the spirit of the site, which is generally based around good criticism. This is BAD criticism, really bad, and it bums me out because I love the site.

    I also can’t quite figure out what kind of gamers these guys are. After Titanfall, they seemed like grumpy old gamers, guys who really love that golden age of SNES and Genesis and lament the overly serious, gritty and brown-tinted FPS-dominated world spawned by Call of Duty. But after this, I just can’t figure them out. As far as I can tell they’re gamers that aren’t very good at playing games and just like to complain about it.

  • thehilblog

    Wait, did people actually come to Man of Steel’s defense on that one?

  • Real Quantum

    I think they go more for rpgs.

  • Alex Lee

    Or given how good Rich is at games, maybe he’ll be the one to take advantage of the rainbow bridge exploit, and failing.

    “Aw fuck!”
    “You just drove off a cliff!”

  • Real Quantum

    Sorry to interrupt, I’ll be right out but yes.
    They did.

  • Alex Lee

    I know. The Extra Credits video I posted said exactly that. I agree that at the time, it’s a fine game.

  • AdamCoates

    It’s also cut to show mostly their fails, so it’s gonna look that way if you don’t think about the big picture.

  • Mark Bisone

    I’ll try spinning! That’s a good trick.

  • thehilblog

    That makes sense, hence all the Mass Effect jokes. But then, if they hate all this other stuff, why bother even reviewing it?

  • thehilblog

    Lol. I always forget there are people who liked that movie. Sigh, well I guess I don’t want to be annoying complainers like those commentors, but I feel like this is a different situation.

  • http://mentalcrash.deviantart.com Yakui

    I think Rich’s joking about “Controversy” was a way to cover things, even when he doesn’t strikes me as the kind of person who cares or even knows what furries are. Jack though seems to me to be the kind of person who would actually do clickbait, specially since it was his idea to call Sonic “The most overrated game ever”, when the video could have just been “Pre-Rec: Sonic The Hedgehog”.

  • CallsignHUSKER

    Ok.. a couple things: You guys aren’t good at sonic. To be great at sonic you have to make mistakes first and then memorize enemy positions, secret paths, fast paths, item locations etc.. Umm sound familiar? Many games of that era were big into that. Great Mario players have to do all of the same things. Much of what you pointed out is grounded in the tech. limitations of the time. Once you know a level in Sonic you can get through it SUPER fast and that makes it really rewarding. Also, Sonic Generations was a fantastic game; not all new Sonic games suck. One last thing, as I was watching your review I was so traumatized and angry by your ignorance, especially at one part in particular. Why did you think that it was necessary to have a pizza roll pop up and the end and start speaking? I mean it had nothing to do with anything. Still, I felt a strange need to do what it said..

  • LelouchtheFilial

    Man of Steel’s comments were just embarrassing, though.

  • SuperGirl95

    Well, he can put his AIDS in my pussy any time he wants.

  • jt

    They ARE right in that Sonic games weren’t about being fast all the time. The new games focus on that ONE gameplay element but the originals were about careful platforming and knowing when to speed up. Learning where shit was going to pop out and hurt you helped too. One you learned a level, you could cook through that bitch full-blast parkour style.

  • Real Quantum

    “annoying complainers”?

    For what it’s worth, and I can speak only for me, you only said what you felt – people don’t have to agree with you or vice-versa.

    Again, speaking only for myself, an “annoying complainer” is a dimwit constant naysayer keyboard warrior – and I believe you are far away from being even in that vicinity.

    Anyways, who am I or anyone else to judge?
    Follow your truth and bend like a reed in the wind ;)

  • Real Quantum

    That’s ultimately an editorial decision, but I agree with you on this one.
    I think they should have started with the big hitters.

  • Real Quantum

    Hi, my real name is Jack.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    A well reasoned response. I am impressed and agree with you, so I will savour this rare internet moment. :)

    Although, you did call this a website and not a ‘webzone’. YOU’RE A HACK FRAUD!

    I find these entertaining, but I’m in the group that doesn’t play video games often [at least in this part of my life] so I can’t compare their criticisms with my own experience. That ended, however, with this Sonic video, where I felt they weer being a bit too all-encompassing with their views. I feel, like many others have posted, that they would have a better opinion of the game if they knew how to play it better.

    I haven’t figured out what exactly Pre-Rec is, though. I feel it’s different enough from other RLM content that it’s been given its own YouTube channel. It seems like two guys talking about games, but they delve into critic territory.

    Their most recent two videos it seems like their failure to understand the gaming controls is what lead them to have negative opinions of them.

  • SuperGirl95

    I like seeing John on these videos. I think his personality id refreshing and he has a sexy bald head.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I think my favourite part was that annoying recurring ‘Marvel fanboy’ comment, one that commenters then turned around and used against the original poster.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    You being so harsh on yourself makes me believe you’re secretly a Canadian.

    Go on. Fess up! ;)

  • Real Quantum

    And I’ve got AIDS.

  • Lat

    It might have just been my boyish naiveté, but I actually thought that they would film the first part of HitB, go see the movie, and then come back to film the rest of it. I feel like I just found out Santa isn’t real or that Sandler is a scam artist. I grew up a little bit.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    He can’t believe he’s got AIIIIIIIIIIIDS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA-MoS9FZHQ

  • Real Quantum

    I don’t want to sound patronizing, but your canadian “thing” Is awesome, it always cracks me up. :D

  • Real Quantum

    Ha ha :D
    See now why the seppuku would be a waste?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    What’s this ‘pussy’ you refer to? Is it something like this?

    http://youtu.be/8lV7YSPvKZA

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Thanks. :P What’s funny is that Secretly Canadian is secretly American! :O

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretly_Canadian

  • Real Quantum

    I should, however, clarify that I am portuguese and have no bias against canadians.
    In fact, I have a canadian cousin and no, it’s not Nelly Furtado. ;)

  • DanceK

    Of course it is. Plinket is down there in Hell (we saw his house falling down there in Half in the Bag) and when we die, we will join him for all eternity.

  • Ogrot

    MY FURSONA IS SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, DIPSHIT!

    UNSUBSCRIBE!

  • HNSZ

    50 milliseconds, my badz

  • HNSZ

    Okey so what I meant to say is this. In tests in cognitive psychology, it has been shown time and time that when given a task wherein an auditory or visual cue is given and the subject has to push a button as a response; the time this takes is about 200milliseconds. This has been backed by MRI tests and tests on how fast a signal travels through neurons.
    So it is basically a fact give or take a margin of 20 milliseconds, that this is the fastest possible reaction time.
    Therefore there is 50 milliseconds left for the action of jumping over the mob.
    I have now scientifically proven that sonic the hedgehog, is in fact an overrated hack.

  • Steve Fuzzlebottom

    You need to roll and spin dash guys c’mon. Not rolling or spin dashing in Sonic is like never blocking in Street Fighter!!!!

    Look, you don’t like Sonic games because you are bad at playing them. I expect that you are trolling us with this review, I could only watch it to the 7:14 mark.

  • Malevolence

    Woohoo, a new Previously Recorded!

  • LelouchtheFilial

    I loved the Marvelite comments because they were so easy to refute, even I could do it.
    Like, you really just need to point the commenter to the Dark Knight Rises review. Mike says that Rises and Avengers were both great movies in their own realms, whereas Amazing Spiderman sucked because it tried to emulate the Nolan-esque dark and brooding style when it should have been lighter and fun.
    So, Mike complimented a Marvel movie and a DC movie in the same sentence and, STILL IN THE SAME SENTENCE, he bashed a movie starring a Marvel character.
    I detect some DC bias from Mike.
    Fucking dick-riding DC fanboy.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    It’s okay, as long as you hate Americans because of lazy and very generalized stereotypes, we can be friends. ;)

    Kidding. The media would have me believe Americans are crazy, but the ones I’ve met were very kind and good people. I don’t know if I know anyone Portuguese, though.

  • Oak Stave

    Good review, and as a former soldier of the Genesis console wars, I agree! I was never any good at Sonic, and now I know why. Now, Ecco the Dolphin was probably the best game ever on that console.

    Also keep in mind that games were fucking hard back then. Try Budokan, or Shinobi series… man, you needed the reflexes of a 11 year old to keep up.

    Hey guys: Your sound levels are all over the place on this video. You went from too quiet to hear in the studio to blasting me back in the chair when you were playing. Just a constructive criticism.

    Keep up the good work!

  • Meester Smeeth

    I was never really that bothered over sonic or mario, really. Not enough to pick one over the other for any reason, anyway. Is the Sega Genesis the same as the Sega Mega-drive? I only remember playing sonic on that. I remember playing mario at one point, possibly on the NES? Or was mario not on the NES? I remember playing Robocop 2 on the NES. Or was that on the Sega Master System? I remember having a SNES. I remember playing Robocop Vs The Terminator on at least one of them. Was the Sega Master System the same as the Sega Genesis? Of course, these days it’s all open-worlds and scenarios and motion capture and things, isn’t it? Does anyone remember cassettes? I shouldn’t but I do. I remember being disappointed when they didn’t load, just like nearly every woman I’ve ever known. I love you, Mandy.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    If Sonic is 30 fps, then 8 f/30 fps is 0.26 s [why Jack said it was about a quarter of a second].

    That gives roughly 67 milliseconds to react if the 200 millisecond average is correct.

    Also, when looking back at my comment after I woke up, I figured you might have just added an extra 0 and meant 50 milliseconds. Made things so much more clear. ;)

    This whole thing is a bit moot, though, if a spin attack could have killed the enemy.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    My friend collects old consoles and games.

    Perhaps I can ask him if I can play Sonic. :) After seeing this video I want to go back and play that game again.

  • Matthew Warnick

    Thank you for making this video. Sonic has always sucked and those Sega games where terrible. Sega was a worthless system anyways. I’ve hated these games for the very reasons you mentioned in your video. Great analysis.

  • Cassidy Fitzgerald Liston

    I agree with everything said in the video… except when around 13:10 they make the assertion that the “New” Super Mario Bros. games are good. They’re not. They’re the worst thing to happen to the franchise.

  • Ogrot

    I have prepared a 108 page response to your so called Sonic the Hedgehog review. I will now retype it and post it here using my filth encrusted Tandy 2000 keyboard.

    Chapter 1 Paragraph 1
    If you didn’t enjoy the Sonic the Hedgehog games then you’re stupidpants. You simply don’t understand the complexity of what happened in the games. I will refrain from explaining the complexity, because it is so complex and technical you do not need to understand it to enjoy the games. It is like a very deep game of chess where both players don’t know how to play chess. Thusly my review of Richard Jack’s review of Sonic the Hedgehog will focus on the review itself.

    Chapter 1 Paragraph 2

    Judging by Rich’s attraction to green and Jack’s milky white skeletor like build and complexion it is obvious that they are both shills for Nintendo’s vast decaying empire. This is all the more apparent as Rich has attempts to hide his Luigi green shirt underneath his iconic Aiden Pearce Hoodie. At first glance you would think he’s a PS4 fanboy, but dig below the surface of the hoodie and the truth is all the more apparent. Jack on the other hand continues daily to bear a more and more striking resemblance to Emperor Palpatine, a problem that can only be explained by his seduction to Nintendo side.

    Chapter 1 Paragraph 3

    Another problem with this review is I don’t like Jack and his stupid bald skeletor like face and it’s stupid dumb expressions. He should eat a dick and die. Seriously everything at RLM is ruined whenever somebody that isn’t Mike Stoklasa or Dick Evans is on the screen. And judging by the body language, as an avid studier of the subject, I could tell that there was a lot of tension of perhaps a sexual nature. I recommend that Jack be castrated for future episodes to end this tension.

    Chapter 1 Paragraph 4

    Another problem is the title is utter click bait. From a pure critical perspective it is better if your titles are as vague and uncontroversial as possible. When I saw this title I felt a thousand enraged .tumblr furries and sega fanboys cry out in anger. How dare you ruin their day by not sharing in their love for this milestone in gaming. How dare you have an opinion that is not mine! How dare you make me do this to you!

  • Real Quantum

    You never know, we are everywhere ;)

    We’re one of the oldest nations in Europe and once ruled the world and seas, we have lots of ancient, diverse culture and a richness of vocabulary that no one cares for, much less ourselves.

    As a nation we’re too laid back and ended being the ass of Europe.

    If you ask some brazilians about us, though, some may say we are all dumb.

    If you ask some spaniards, some will pretend we are not important, but only because they could never conquer us.

    People are the same all over the world.

  • Real Quantum

    Are you aware of emulators?
    Could save you the trip and give you hours of fun ;)

    http://www.emulator-zone.com/

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Best comment I’ve seen in a while. Parody gold.

  • My ex wife

    “The soundtrack was really good.”

    I agree. Even though i only know the first level song because I never got any further than that due to being impatient and useless.

  • Jayless

    Which one is that? The real one? I mean, you know, not the fake one.. The REAL one, you know, the one there’s a cartoon of, the one you never get to s.. Hmm..

  • Where’s Paul Verhoeven?

    Its stylistically designed to be that way.

  • Where’s Paul Verhoeven?

    This is my safe space Nash, don’t encourage this.

  • Ogrot

    I’m glad you’ve come around to our side of things. It seems that the thunderstorm that kicked me off my dial up connection has cut off my 108 page response. I shall continue it after the storm passes, so that my effort is not wasted.

  • wermin

    What makes you guys think they didn’t use the roll move?
    Just because they didn’t put a clip of it in the video?
    I only tried these games on emulator.
    Didn’t like them at all for the same reasons.
    If you go fast, you lose because you can’t see what’s ahead of you.
    No amount of fuckin’ rolling will change that.

  • thehilblog

    Well said.

  • thehilblog

    Excuse me- RLM is my favorite webzone just as pizza rolls are my favorite snack.

    Yeah, it could just be that Pre-Rec is still in its infancy stages. I actually really liked watching their Twitch stream of XCOM, which is a strategy game that seemed like a good fit and Rich was really experienced on that one, helped me get better at the game. I dunno, I was just bein’ cranky I guess. The whole site- ahem, WEBZONE -is all in good fun.

  • wermin

    They played Sonic in their very first twitch stream.
    They know hot to use your damn roll.
    That’s clearly not the problem.
    What’s up with everyone bringing up rolling?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I enjoyed their play-through more than this video.

  • Bacchus

    Sonic is a fun memory and reaction test. You do actually have to make an effort with it. The feeling of zipping through a level by reacting with split second timing, combined with a very good soundtrack makes for a fun gaming experience.

    Tails is a right twat though.

  • My ex wife

    I didn’t, he ruined my childhood.

  • My ex wife

    He’s probably too busy to make them now after setting his SEO business.

  • LelouchtheFilial

    There wasn’t enough blood in Sonic for it to be “edgy.”
    Where’s Paul Verhoeven when you need him?

  • Ady

    For those that have never heard of a Sega Genesis, it was called the Mega Drive outside of North America.

  • Old Ben

    That speed run was insane. The music is a sheer delight and some of the best on the Genesis. http://youtu.be/NbVZPu_JM6I

  • Percy Gryce

    I used to think of RLM as a blessed isle of normality in the frothing sea of hipster ink and body modifications.

    Ah, well.

  • Percy Gryce

    At worst a sawbuck. USPS has pretty good rates for books and movies (“media mail”).

  • Hank_Henshaw

    So, he could really use that “AIDS: A Positive Approach” VHS tape he was talking about in one of the WOTW.

  • Drain

    Sonic wasn’t a bad series, at least back then. I used to love Sonic 3 and Knuckles myself. They were very fun platformers. Definitely overhyped and overated, but they were decent games to have for the console. If you had a Genesis, you had these games, and you probably played them a lot too. The way you play them isn’t really flawed, it was just the deceptive advertisement. They were platformers, not really meant to go fast in the first place except for certain flashy sections. I wouldn’t call them system sellers, and they could in no way compete with the superior Super Nintendo’s library, but they were fun.

    By the way, try rolling into enemies instead of running into them.

  • Mark Bisone

    I think I smell what’s going on. Here’s hard evidence that Jack likes to cosplay as Josef Stalin: infamous mantarded fanbaby cockfluffer of the Nintendope hive mind. Nice try, asshole, but we are fart oo smert for you.

  • Kram Sacul

    Your Nintendo money is in the mail.

  • SeekerLancer

    Hard to take your opinion too seriously after watching the montage of you being terrible at the games. Roll you idiots, roll!

  • forkinthebrain

    Jacks humor just isnt on the same level as Rich. His blurted comments while playing seem forced. I hate saying it but its true

  • forkinthebrain

    hello jack..

  • SeekerLancer

    Because they showed a montage of them plowing face first into enemies without using the roll once in the entire video.

    Perhaps the fact that everyone is saying it is because it does make a difference in maintaining speed.

    There are still platforming segments that force you to slow down but when dealing with common enemies (past the first game which does have a deliberately slower pace than the sequels) you shouldn’t have to slow down if you’re using the roll properly.

    The Spin Dash in Sonic 2 and beyond makes it even easier to keep the game going at a quick pace.

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  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Is there a reason why the comments seem so vitriolic for the Pre-Rec material but not for RLM’s other stuff? Even when fans strongly disagree with Mike/Jay about a movie, the comments are still kinda fun and engaging.

    I just don’t understand why video game reviews bring out so much anger, especially since Rich/Jack are just having fun with this and seem to put a lot of time into each episode.

  • My ex wife
  • ModernDayMinstrel

    Gamer Entitlement™

  • SeekerLancer

    The easy answer is gamers are mostly assholes. And it’s true.

    But I can think of a few reasons Pre-Rec isn’t greatly received, though I don’t mind it much personally.

    Part of it is the fact that you can buy them as an authority on movies. They’re knowledgeable about the medium and its history and it shows in their information and opinions. They talk about movies not just on he level of critics but as filmmakers.

    But as far as games go they don’t come across as quite as educated on the history or on the subject of game design. Also riffing on games is something that’s been done to death online since the AVGN and while they bring their own unique spin to reviewing movies, they aren’t really doing anything new for game reviews.

    All that said I hope Pre-Rec continues. There’s nothing wrong with hearing opinions from a different angle.

  • Real Quantum
  • Stupid Wizard

    The people who really really really really love Sonic are just asshole who can’t see something they love objectively. This results in a 150 page rebuttal

  • Ah_good_the_sea

    I know it’s a feature that’s kind of ingrained in retro gaming, and therefore treated like a fucking sacred commandment in certain quarters of gaming culture, but if a game requires constant repetitive grinding and memorization to beat, then it’s not a very well designed game.

    You could argue that Sonic shouldn’t be judged as harshly because it belongs to a simpler time in gaming, not long removed from the coin-op era when repetition was a core part of game design – that’s fair enough. And if you personally find playing the Sonic games enjoyable, or cathartic, then great! But just because someone doesn’t have the same patience/talent for memorizing ‘suprise bullshit’ doesn’t make their opinions invalid.

  • jupstin

    I actually like the level design of the Sonic games. There’s a lot more to each level then you think on an initial run. Unfortunately, slow Sonic is sort of a bummer (especially when going up hill,) so the game doesn’t encourage you to explore. I could do without the level timer as well. However, my 3 year old loves Sonic 2 (because of Tails.) It’s practically the only game he’s interested in playing.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Is this an excerpt from your 108 page rebuttal?

  • Thanatos2k

    Sonic 1? Perhaps. Sonic 3 and Knuckles? Not at all.

    By the way, speaking of Sonic, here’s another example of people making a game because the original developers are incompetent
    failures and are unable to do so anymore – it’s a real Sonic the
    Hedgehog game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMEmcVRNZvI

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  • Stupid Wizard

    I only wear fedoras if I have the right clothes, if you don’t well you look like you belong in minecon

  • thehilblog

    These are all good reasons and gamers are indeed assholes, but I think, at least for me, it’s annoying because they don’t really seem to know what they’re talking about on this specific topic.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    I think it’s because lately they haven’t been up to par to excellent RLM quality we all know and expect.I know now I’ll be looked down upon as a butthurt sonic or titanfall fan or whatever shit but it’s just not fun or interesting seeing them suck miserably at these games and then presenting very broad generalisations or the genres these games occupy or really narrow understanding or mechanics as strong arguments.

  • Gorrister

    The irony being that all the criticism against the actual games they
    bring up can be applied to the original Mario games. Both game series
    are essentially “Learn patterns into muscle memory through trial and
    error”. The difference being that the Mario games are generally a lot
    harder than the Sonic games.
    I think which series you like more depends on which one you played the most as a child.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Go back to the domain know as tumblr, you overrated she-witch.

  • thehilblog

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. I think for me, I watch an ep of BOTW or HITB and it’s sooooooo good and their criticism is always so spot on. But then you come to Pre-Rec and it’s 2 guys sucking at a game and then whining about it. As I mentioned in an unfortunately more vitriolic thread before (I have since calmed down, you know how the internet is), both Sonic and Titanfall are games that are screaming for criticism. But they’re not actually critiquing it, they’re just going “why I so bad? No like.”

  • thehilblog

    I feel like it should just take a different approach, something we haven’t seen before since as you said, this isn’t really doing anything new. This isn’t Game Informer, so these guys doing a straight review is never going to be super satisfying. I’m not sure WHAT they should do instead of the current format- best idea off the top of my head is basically the BOTW equivalent of videogames- just play really bad games and see how far they can get without giving up.

  • schirelmann

    8 frames @ 30fps = 8/30 = .26667s = 266.67 ms
    Average human reaction time ~ 215 ms

    I guess your years of degenerate alcoholism have finally caught up.

  • Thanatos2k

    Actually it looked like most of the times they got hit by enemies was because they were just running and not rolling. You should be rolling almost the entire game! It should be your default state of being.

  • Thanatos2k

    How is it punishing? Outside of autokills, it’s almost impossible to die. Just keep getting a ring.

    It’s punishing if you are trying to have 50 rings and get all the Chaos Emeralds, but that’s optional.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Their twitch streams are pretty good.They play the game and constantly go on tangent topic disscussions.It’s like every other lets player/twitch streamer out there but the difference is RLM crew has actual personality as opposed to mongoloids who just try to imitate pewdiepie hoping to make it big so it’s actually fun hearing them just having a conversation for 5 hours lol.

  • Mark Bisone

    I just assumed they were irony-drenched hipster assholes like the rest of us, pantomiming nerdrage to get a laugh.

    It’s like we’re all trapped in a Thorton Wilder play, Domo. I don’t know which way is up anymore.

  • Thanatos2k

    That was after the Sonic franchise was already firmly in the toilet.

  • Thanatos2k

    Or Halo.

  • Obviously FakeAlias

    I think it’s because the Pre-rec stuff comes across as painfully uninformed. Mike and Jay know a lot about moviemaking and can explain why the things they hate fail as movies. These idiots are constantly misunderstanding basic parts of the games they play, to the point that even if I agree with what they’re saying, they still fail to make good points. It’s especially terrible since there’s so goddamn much video game review and analysis content out there that’s both more interesting and better articulated (and informed) than pre-rec.

  • Thanatos2k

    Seriously, did they ever see some of the commercials Nintendo used back in the day? Look up the commercial for Super Mario World 2 Yoshi’s Island. It’s completely worth it.

  • Thanatos2k

    To this day I insist that their last names are Mario. It enrages fanboys, so it must be right.

  • Thanatos2k

    Why hasn’t this shown up on Best of the Worst yet?

  • thehilblog

    I really enjoyed the XCOM one.

  • Percy Gryce

    I know these views aren’t popular, but I have never courted popularity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUCILq6J2yU

  • Thanatos2k

    Did none of you watch the RLM Compilation Volume 1 Making of Plinkett documentary? Furries are responsible for the success of this site.

  • Thanatos2k

    Call of Duty 4 was good. Everything after has been shit.

  • Thanatos2k

    Also why weren’t you guys ever rolling? You press down while you’re running. It didn’t look like you were ever rolling. That’s not how you play the game.

    Roll! Roll damn you! You wouldn’t need time to react if you were rolling because that’s how you kill enemies!

  • http://hardycases.com/ Hale

    …FUCK.

  • Thanatos2k

    They have established that for movies – they really know what they’re talking about. They can analyze the development aspects of movies beyond just whether the story and characters are good or not.

    They aren’t that knowledgeable about video games. They’re just throwing guys in front of a TV and asking them about their opinions. That’s not nearly the quality of RLM’s other critique.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd
  • Thanatos2k

    Worse, the criticisms that they emphasize are just wrong. The whole reaction time part of this episode just has you screaming at the screen “WHY AREN’T YOU ROLLING?” and it completely undermines the point they’re trying to make.

  • disqus_1dQzKD1n4Z

    I totally agree with their analysis, Always felt the same about Sonic in terms of gameplay. Advertised to go fast but you actually end up playing the game much slower than Mario of you play it well. Going fast in Mario actually rewards you because the enemies and jumps are placed strategically so you can flow through a level if you play it running. Sonic actually has the opposite.

    What I will give the game though, is it has decent art and character design. I always just wanted to play that game because it all looked so cool.

  • Old Ben

    I would enjoy their stream more if they had the Kurlan naiskos sound every time someone subbed. http://youtu.be/Zqb9q3c1Pxo?t=5m54s

  • thehilblog

    Yeah that was my problem with the Titanfall vid. Criticizing the bland color scheme and character models was spot on- but the whole thing about the names hovering over players showed they hadn’t played an FPS in like 10 years. The first Modern Warfare was the game where I noticed that trend- bad guys have nothing over their heads, good guys have their names hovering over their heads. So if you see a guy with nothing over his head, you don’t need to run up and confirm that his name is red or orange or whatever the “bad” color is, you just know. I get what they’re trying to say- that something like the Red v Blue of Halo makes more sense in terms of finding your target- but Titanfall, like COD or Battlefield, is all about being gritty and realistic, so that would be weird. They could have gone on a long diatribe about how games are too serious these days which would have been really valid (and that’s why I loved their E3 vid) but this game is trying to be gritty, and you know that the second you look at the box, so it’s kind of an unfair thing to complain about.

    They also didn’t really seem to get how to operate the titans and weren’t freerunning or using any abilities. It’s possible that that, like the rolling in Sonic, is just the way they edited it, but it comes off more like they weren’t even aware you could do that. And if you’re not using abilities or freerunning in Titanfall, you’re gonna die ASAP. Also the thing about the NPCs- while they are more or less useless, you get some points for killing them but not much, I actually really like it because it takes that 6v6 COD feel but makes it seem like you’re part of a whole warzone and not a skirmish. Plus you have to train your eye to recognize pilots vs. grunts- I generally avoid shooting grunts because that calls out your position to other pilots.

    So yeah, that’s what bugged me, it was like, they had some points, but those points were undermined by the fact that DOOM seemed to be their most recent point of reference for what an FPS is when the genre has completely transformed since that game.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    and if you get hit you can just keep running because there are rings fucking everywhere.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    facepalm.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    It’s really the greatest thing ever.

  • http://thephyseter.wordpress.com The_Physeter

    You have neglected to discuss the soundtrack. Mario has, like, two or three tunes per game. They’ve become well-liked because the Mario games were liked. Sonic actually has cool music. Give modern re-mixers the task of rerecording one of Sonic’s many, many tracks and you end up with something like this.

    I’ll totally agree that Sonic games aren’t as good as Mario games. But Sonic was still cool if you were a kid when they came out. And Sonic the character, since he was designed to be a mascot, is a cooler character than Mario. I wonder if you could make a good movie about him?

  • http://thephyseter.wordpress.com The_Physeter

    Yes. And it sounded cool! http://s3k.ocremix.org/php/media.php

  • OzymandiasAeonis

    I had no idea that being a real Sonic game means downplaying the simple one button gameplay and focusing more on the gameplay concepts of Rocket Knight and Mega Man Zero. This should be billed as a mashup of 16-bit platformers not Sonic 5.

  • Baramos x

    The best way to play a lot of games, such as Mario and Donkey Kong Country, is to rocket through the levels. People who don’t do that seem to always be the ones who complain that the games are overrated.

  • Big Boss

    thats what i was hoping too. I trust these guys’ judgment when it comes to movies because they’re a production company and they usually seem spot on. It’s becoming very obvious that video games aren’t in their realm of expertise because everything is solely based on personal opinion and not whats going on with gaming as a whole.

  • Baramos x

    True, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play a mash-up of Rocket Knight and Mega Man Zero.

  • Baramos x

    It’s been like that from day one, partly because people hated the very idea of them talking about video games, and then partly because people hate their opinions on video games.

    Me, I don’t really care? It’s not as if people are going to quit playing Sonic, and the superior sequels, because they gave Sonic 1 a bad review.

  • Stupid Wizard

    They’re planning to make to make a CGI animated Sonic film. Now to bust your balls…it will be a live action mix.

    http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/801/106/9f5.png

  • Stupid Wizard

    No, I believe this game placed in the toilet since the Sonic Advance games were awesome

  • OzymandiasAeonis

    Agreed but I guess it’s more marketable to act like it’s the reborn beaten corpse of Sonic than a fresh take on either of those two great series. Sure looks better than that awful failed Rocket Knight reboot they put out a couple years.

  • dunesen

    Credit to Dr. Robotnik for anticipating his enemy’s methods and coming up with a strategy to counter it.

    “Oh, Sonic likes to run fast? Well I’ll throw in a bunch of spikes and robots with drills on their front for him to run into.”

  • Alex Lee

    I know comics and a couple of animated series were made. I don’t think I’ve ever read a Mario Comic or seen a Mario animated series.

  • Baramos x

    I think the thing about memory and reaction is key. I’d like to see these two play one of the harder Contras (like Hard Corps. on the Genesis or Shattered Soldier on the PS2) to see if they are better at a platform shooter, for instance. Or even an “easier” Contra like the first two. Or even Contra III.

  • Old Ben

    The music is phenomenal in Sonic. Stage two in Sonic 2 would have made an excellent Michael Jackson song. My favorite from Sonic 3 is Ice Cap Zone. The original from ’82 is good as well.

    http://youtu.be/hYxlqTpZ-24

    http://youtu.be/H2OWC5Hosv8

  • Captain Turbo

    A) How does ones shoes become untied when playing video games, and B) Why does it matter?

  • AceRay

    Crash Bash was trash.
    boring Mario Party clone. wasn’t even made by Naughty Dog.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Well there was a Mario animated series brought to us by DiC who also gave us the Legend of Zelda show.

    http://abload.de/img/oneofmypersonalfavori9rs7s.gif

  • Real Quantum

    Bloody hell, it’s been years since I heard that.
    Thanks! :)

  • OzymandiasAeonis

    I’d say rings being everywhere and even how rings work as a pretty unique health system was done specifically to counter having to deal with getting hit by shit out of nowhere when you’re going to fast, if you had to deal with regular health points the games would have been a utter nightmare at times
    it’s also probably why you don’t have to worry about your hitbox while jumping on enemies, jumping at them without thinking “are my feet going to be lined up with it” plays into the faster pace of play they were going for. I can’t really think of any other platformers that are like that.
    Sonic 2’s final stage is hellish because everything is a one hit kill and you actually have to think about the two bosses’ hotboxes.

  • Jesus the Hutt

    Really??
    ..did it have to come to this?
    Come on! Don´t try to convince me about how overrated this game is, shall I remind you that this game came before Super Mario World and the SNES and that at the time Sonic was no doubt the fastest and BEST looking game on any “affordable” home console??
    of course it was overrated, hyped and shoved down our throats!!
    And we just loved it!!! it was a big Fuck you from Sega to Nintendo, and all Sega owners enjoyed veeery much while it lasted…

  • http://hardycases.com/ Hale

    …So Smurfs 4?

  • Crixxxx

    Rich was hoping to talk about Sonic – the drive-thru fast food chain.

  • Mark Bisone

    All I want to know is when is Rich Evans gonna review this Sonic with his face. Dressed like a cop, from the future…

    http://myfrugaladventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sonic-Hot-Dogs-500×185.png

  • Jason Ross

    Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McHackenfrueds. Think! I gotta have time
    to get them retyped. Do you realize what would happen if I hand in my
    reports in your handwriting? I’ll get fired. You wouldn’t want that to
    happen, would ya? Would ya?

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    I’d buy that for a dollar!

  • Jason Ross

    Sally from the Sonic cartoon was my first crush as a mostly-confused nine-year-old.

    I would have put the chili dog directly inside the princess hole Coney Island style and it would have been messy.

  • valou999

    I know I’m totally alone on this one but I completely and utterly loath Mario, and I couldn’t stand any of the Nintendo consoles past the SNES since it always had him in the forefront along with other shitty kid games (like Donkey Kong… another character I hate). So while I’m generally pretty indifferent toward Sonic (though admittedly I did like the early games) I just like him better by default…

  • Dan Shaffer

    Rocking the chaos emerald?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Which isn’t to say the game isn’t frusterating at times..or that there aren’t times where you absolutly must take care hopping from platform to platform…just that…the game in total isnt about “taking it slow”…that one area where they’re inching up to the spike ball all im thinking is “fucking jump over it!!!” if you get hit fine…collect your lost rings as you run through the next spikeball…

  • Stupid Wizard

    Space Cop: he’s guy who’s a cop from space

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Would you though?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    In the not too distant future…

  • SuperGirl95

    Agreed, but I hope it ends up working out, like they find their place with the show.

    However, to add to your great point, I managed a gaming web series that ended up being sold to a much larger media company. (Where we made some good change, and now I’ve moved on to be an exec at a nice niche firm, woot,)

    Anyway, most of us who were behind the scenes were ex-game devs. Our backgrounds REALLY helped with the content (opinions/reviews) we wrote for the screen talent.

    Again, I really think that they need to stick in some educational content, in their usual RLM way.

  • Kei Loerop

    How dare you…. Crash Bandicoot was amazing… he was the king of platformers till naughty dog sold the rights to him. also crash team racing > any cart racing game ever.

  • Thanatos2k

    Just because it’s a real Sonic game doesn’t mean it can’t be improved, and that’s what happened.

    And it’s far closer to a Sonic game than Mega Man X, Mischief Makers, or what have you.

  • Sully

    Sonic was more of a hand/eye coordination game. The speed works, but you have to be quick with the thumbs.
    Something else to add… when you’re running and an enemy appears in front of you, your Mario instincts tell you to jump, when you should actually be pressing *down* on the D-pad for a rolling spin attack.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    You’re overrated!

    There, there’s my brilliant retort…

  • 24601

    Way to break the 4th wall! ;-)

  • Pop Rivets

    Rich Evans – He’s Wallace Shawn-y!

  • Sully

    My 6yr old is a Sonic nut, too. He’s recently *discovered* Mario, but he’s still all about the Sonic Universe, specifically the 2nd tier characters like Shadow.

  • Mike Jakermen

    Frankly i cant wait for the first person VR Sonic oculus rift video game. Which will be a horrible PR for Sega. I mean having to pay those cities to help clean up all that vomit..

  • Providence

    FINALLY SOMEONE IS WITH ME! Sonic as a franchise was always over-rated and shitty. People have bitched for decades about no good new sonic games coming out, yet only 2 good games in the series are barely passable as “meh”. A cool concept that was NEVER executed very well at all.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Euuuuuhhhhhwwwwww….. That’s even worse than all the post-SegaCD sequel games combined!

  • Rick_Berman

    Nice, ordered one for all my babies’ mamas.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Maybe the fuzzy, little animals are being used as batteries for the robots, Matrix style.

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    “I’m OK with Bluup”? Heck, Rich probably makes that sound several times a day! <3

    As a side-note, I'm really enjoying all the extra post-production touches in these last couple videos… you big party-poopers…

  • Ogrot

    Oh dear god pewdiepie. Talk about the fucking untalented moron temporary (once his naive 12 to 14 year old audience grow up a little I fail to see this phenomenon continuing long term) lotto winner.

    Why the fuck would anyone who isn’t 13 follow their shit youtube account. Methinks it’s nothing more than a bunch of fourteen year olds fantasizing about the day they will play video games with a good looking boy or girl.

  • Ogrot

    Fuck they did :(. The dark souls one fucking rocked. And I love XCOM.

  • http://thephyseter.wordpress.com The_Physeter

    New idea: next Sonic game should be more like mirror’s edge.

  • Old Ben

    That’s the real question. Is Pre Rec the most overrated show on RLM? Watch the video and read the comments and I’ll let you decide…

    but the answer’s yes

  • Ogrot

    As far as the episode is concerned when I saw the title I thought to myself, was it ever rated in the first place? Most times when I see people reminiscing about platformers of their childhood it’s rare that I hear Sonic mentioned (and I’m of the generation that grew up on these games). They were OK, and I really don’t remember them being that challenging either. In fact the Sonic series is likely one of the first few games I actually beat. Which was refreshing after going through elementary school playing getting my ass kicked by the NES. In short they weren’t garbage. Just sort of forgettable. On the flipside I can name every land in Super Mario World and remember what they look like and I’m pretty sure I pumped as much time into it. It just stuck with me better. It had more personality and was more difficult.

    Was it made to be a mascot? Yes! And the company fucking needed it. The Sega Master System had little penetration in both the North American and Japanese Marketplace. Most folks in the US, especially, had never even heard of Sega before the Genesis marketing storm. Worse off for Sega Nintendo tied down a lot of third party developers with exclusive Nintendo only IP contracts leaving the company to not only produce hardware, but also to develop games on top of it to make the hardware relevant. Once the system gained parity Nintendo couldn’t convince third party publishers to continue to agree to exclusive contracts as often as they were used to in the priorly dominated NES era. As a marketing tech demo, Sonic was a milestone for Sega as a company and for the broadening of the market that the Genesis provided for developers, but not so much as a game in of itself. At least that is probably how historians will see it, in a future where video game history is a college course required for your degree in FPS.

  • El_Runko

    No, he didn’t. Stop calling attention to yourself.

  • Luke_Stibbs

    Just an FYI.

    Your sound balancing is really off in this video, which is really unusual. Cutting from the table to the couch is a pretty drastic difference in volume.

    If you could fix that in future, it would be appreciated.

  • Kawaii as Fuck

    OH FUCK YOU! Crash Bandicoot was awesome, at least the first 3 games were, but no seriously, they were good games, regardless of how you feel about the character

    as for Sonic, I agree, shit sucks

  • dollar store cashier wife

    While children make up the biggest portion of his fanbase there are a decent amount of adults who find that garbage funny.Lowest common denominator humor-it transcends age!

  • Cameron Vale

    Unlike movies which are designed to be viewed in groups, solitude is the norm for video games, which makes them very attractive to social retards with too much time on their hands.

  • Displacer

    The type of mushroom in Mario (the real life kind that has a similar appearance) is a hallucinogenic that is reported to mess with your perception of sizes of yourself and objects. Puts a new spin on that power up

  • Displacer

    Crash was basically, and even featured in Official sony ads and so on because it was exclusive. The first tomb raider was not exclusive to PS1 and sony had no involvement

  • Displacer

    Speaking of platforming in the 16-bit era I would say the Sonic games were good, and influenced some other games(Bubsy the Bobcat comes to mind, which was pretty terrible and suffered from the flaw of going to fast a thousand times worse than Sonic) so they were important, Even still as someone who did not own a SNES until after the N64 came out I would think of other platformers first like Donkey Kong Country and Mario World. Sonic however stood out as a platforming game on its own console and people wanted a genesis because of it,

    If i was to try to come up with a list for that time of platformers though, Sonic & Knuckles + Sonic 3 would easily be near the top.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    When I gotta go fast, it’s an utmost priority that my shoes are tied.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Meanwhile Bowser hires mushrooms …

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    GOTTA DIE FAST

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    He’s too quick and I’m too fat. Starting to feel like Jabba the Hut.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    “Average human reaction time”

    Rich Evans is a god, yet even he couldn’t master this.

    What is going on?! My faith … being tested, it is.

  • Rootfish

    At least Sonic wasn’t Bubsy the Bobcat or James Pond or Aero the acrobat or Gex the Gecko…

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Fart.

    Whichever way the bubbles go is up.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass
  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I’m impressed.

    Not by their gaming abilities, but by how long they can stand all that collective body odour.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I think gamers are assholes [am I in an echo chamber?] and because a lot of people want this to be a well informed critique instead of two dudes playing discussing games together. I find them entertaining but if feel if I were a gamer and a fan of RLM I’d be frustrated that they’re finally tackling video games again yet seem to be in over their heads.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Still one of my favorite “places” on the Sega platform.

    Sonic had overall a rad soundtrack going for it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmdseeZBiz4

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Rad!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Stay true! Unbelivers will burn when Space Cop arrives!

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    When are we going to get Mike to play one of these games and join the discussion?

    I can already picture his reaction … :)

    http://i.minus.com/iKwNOMXvCUcMY.gif

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    The plot thickens.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I just got your joke now, 14 hours later.

  • bluehawk222

    Wish they could have elaborated on why Sonic was better than Crash. I mean Crash did have some annoying marketing but Naughty Dog did an amazing job with the games and he became the mascot after the fact. It was between him and Spyro. I do think your argument about there not being a good Sonic game now is kind of flawed.
    Platform gaming has become such a neglected genre. Nintendo did well enough with Mario Galaxy series and those New Super Mario Games but before those they really had nothing to offer with Mario other than Sunshine which was made around the whole GCN marketing of hey look at our water effects. Mario, Sonic, Crash, Spyro they just didn’t make it into the 2000s. The creators went on to other projects which was more favorable. We got Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, and Sly Cooper. Now those characters have fallen behind.

    It’s actually kind of funny that the consoles and the companies were picking these platforming characters for marketing and all that but by the PS3 generation they shifted to console gimmicks for sales. Nintendo had platforming character Mario so any other console had to follow suit with their own character. Nintendo introduces waggle controls so the other consoles focus on that next.

  • Old Ben

    What a great level. The graphics and music form a symbiont circle. You must understand this.

  • Old Ben

    Mikes on record saying he wants to play Dr. Mario. Jack has Dr. Mario on Wii. Hook that shit up, put on Chill, and you got yourself a stream. http://youtu.be/RsBtQCDbTWc

  • Mufro

    Lovely stuff :)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    I’m with you on this one. Thanks for bringing it up. It kinda drags the whole comment section down seeing to much real negative comments. It’s not as fun or entertaining or educational(what ever that means around here) when people are genuinely offensive.

    For me I did not like Pre Rec from the start. It felt akward and didn’t come across as anything usefull/funny. Comparing it to HitB, BotW or Gamestation 2.0 is of course not fair but I ould not help it. It didn’t live up to the other shows. So i did not watch it until Titanfall. But now i’ve watched them and am starting to like them.

    I love Rich and Jack but at the same time I don’t get enough from the show. I think it’s a good idea and its not fair to demand 100% genuine RLMquality. I think there has to bee room to try new things. So I watch the show and I think that it will get better and many like the casual gaming feel to it so who am I to argue what others like or not.

    And i think you get along way with being kind, encuraging and understanding. It’s not easy making good content. And I think Jack and Rich have a good thing going and it has to be seen from what it is. It’s not heavyduty gamecritic material and it’s not ment to be a comedy segment mixed with a review. It’s casual gaming mixed with a review mixed with things we already know.

    Maybe this is what bothers most people. I don’t know. It bothered me in the beginning. But thinking about it I have to say that RLM including Jack has alot of credit and if this becomes something they see as a failure and shut it down I would still support them and hope they churn out more useless hackfraud content. And also I think it’s so damn easy to be an a**hole on the internet because there are no consequences and you can easily make people that you don’t know very angry. It’s not like youtube here. i don’t think I could survive that.

    If this sh**turd goes belly up I’m going down with it. Life without Rich Evans is meaningless.

  • Fred Frink

    You could hire systems from the video rental store. (what youd call a blockbuster).
    I could have had my eyes shut half the levels. Well that’s what it felt like. Is it common to finish a game in one go, no continues, never having played it before?

  • Real Quantum

    ah ah
    I’m thinking “meesa like the pizza” from the audio commentary :)

  • Real Quantum

    Hey, I’m not one to shy away from free stuff.

  • Real Quantum

    Just saw the whole trilogy, oh man!
    “Would you like to buy some drugs, Larry?”
    ha ha ha :D

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    Completely agree on multiple points. I come here as much for RLM’s content as the comment section.

  • sciencemile

    I know what game Pre-Rec has to feature next: The Horse Ninja Movie licensed game, “Crouching Pony, Hidden Dragon”

    http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/586908646041455071/A00EF3BBAF29527F6C9001926EBB0CE93DFFB095/

  • Blackadder

    What’s up with the production quality in this episode? The audio is not level and the color grading between the shot- and reverse-shot bits is awful. Where’s your editing skills, you hack frauds?

  • disqus_1dQzKD1n4Z

    Wasn’t there a rumor Micheal Jackson was actually asked to make music for the game? They actually had contact with him because of the MJ game. From what I remember from one of them internet videos MJ actually made the songs but they were never used for some reason, they had to redesign music and ended up going for that MJ vibe. Correct me if I got it backwards though, just going off the top of my head.

  • disqus_1dQzKD1n4Z

    Looks great, but the voices!!! ARGHH my head cannot take the high levels of weeabooism!!!

  • disqus_1dQzKD1n4Z

    You think it is bad on RLM, Click on the youtube button in the player and witness the wrath of the Sonic fanboys lol. I think it got a 50% down-vote. Those guys are pretty crazy though, they’ve been keeping that mediocre to awful series alive for 20 years,..

    Also video-game fanboys are are pretty horrible overall, everything they say has an agenda to support a console of their choice. Better to just ignore it.

  • shuura84

    That was a more civilized age.

  • Punkster

    Ah the “Last idea ever,” has made it to video game too.
    Mike shall be pleased to hear this and that he has inspired a generation of game developers, comic book readers and movie goers. All free of charge as well… Truly an inspiration to humanity.

    I would like to see Jack and Rich tackle the highly sophisticated “Goat Simulator,” some time in the near future.
    Although having just clicked on that link of yours, I am more curious about that game now.

    I wonder if there is a Horse Ninja Audio book coming out soon?

  • Real Quantum

    Ah, it was something I read in a fortune cookie.

  • DrClown
  • HeliopanND09

    Genesis was kicking ass at the time. I remember when Mortal Kombat came out and SNES censored all the finishing moves, but the Genesis didn’t. On the Genesis, I enjoyed Mortal Kombat I and II,The Revenge of Shinobi, Madden NFL ’94, Altered Beast, Streets of Rage. There were some great games. Sonic was just Sega’s answer to Super Mario.

  • Joe

    I like both Jack and Rich a lot but certainly when talking about old games it would probably be good to take a slightly more measured approach. You are both insightful people and insights and beliefs about a game you have some exposure to is good. But as much as I love all new RLM content I still feel like the show hasn’t quite found it’s footing just because measured thoughtfulness from 2 funny likeable people is something great, but we don’t want another video game review show that’s about raging at something for being terribad. And I’d say this video was 9 parts the former and 1 part the latter.

    Just keep at it, Jack/Rich. You are very likable insightful people, just keep your opinions and thoughts measured particularly when it comes to older games, because with any person reviewing any old game there are just so many people out there who have spent so much more time playing and thinking about these games than you that if you were to throw out a strongly worded but invalid criticism it will rub people the wrong way and distract from what I think you are setting out to do which is release a thoughtful and pleasant conversation show about games and gaming.

    I look forward to your next episode, keep at it, guys.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Fuck that.Gamestation 3.0 or riot.

  • Fuck Me I’m January

    I don’t about you but I actually watched that video and the first thing I noticed is that it was a lot more measured and less just lashing out than all their previous pre rec videos.

  • Fuck Me I’m January

    This.

  • scarlz

    Ok, I’m here with nerd-science in defence of Rich! 8 frames was the point of impact, which means he has to react before that, so:
    7 frames @ 30fps = 233ms

    However, if I recall, those drill-beaked enemies couldn’t be rolled into, so you’ll have to jump it, and jumping requires more than a 1 frame elapse to clear the drill, so in a best case scenario you’re looking at 6 frames:
    6 frames @ 30fps = 200ms

    Verdict: Superhuman reaction time required!

  • Real Quantum

    This is a game of trial and error, it’s not like the enemies have some sort of AI ;)

  • woknokmokpok

    The auto correct changed it. I thought it looked funny. Already edited. Thanks.

  • Real Quantum

    A) The whole experience is so dense, there’s so much going on.
    B) Why do you ask?

  • Real Quantum

    And this is why you are the Boss, Nass.

  • E.C. Conrad

    Way over-the-top criticism of a simple early-’90s platformer. They’re forgetting that lots of games back then were far from what you’d call “user friendly,” and they often required players to memorize levels (replayability!) before one could excel and earn a high score. And do these games really get no points for their exceptional music or graphics? The look and feel of classic Sonic is every bit as important to the character’s legacy as the games themselves.

    All of that said, I’m a huuuuuge Sonic geek, so this episode was far from my cup of tea. Next time pick on Sonic Unleashed or Sonic 2006, then I’ll be right there with you!

  • Alex Lee

    The spikes that come out of the wall is a failure to telegraph. There is no clear indication to avoid the spikes. That you can just grab a ring is just short iteration time.The only way to play around it is to remember that these walls and floor that have no distinctive markings can shoot spikes.

  • Drain

    He was in one of the Streams, Ducktales I think. He barely said anything. I think he was bored to death. He doesn’t seem to care about video games.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Someone didn’t pay their Patreon bill.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    C) Why would someone wear shoes inside?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Pfft… Mario had a live-action movie. Take that, Sonikku!

  • thehilblog

    Well it’s good we all agree the Twitch stream is good at least.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Even I know how!

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Or “herion” as the captions refer to it as. Or “heroine” as seen in paert two’s captions.

  • WrongWithYourFace
  • WrongWithYourFace

    Why are there so many fucking comments?? Normally these are fun to go through, but these are just exhausting.

  • Ogrot

    Well as far as user friendliness is concerned your 80’s to mid 90’s era developers were seniored and largely staffed by late seventies era arcade programmers. So the design philosophy of kill the player so he feeds more quarters in morphed into kill the player so this game has replay value. It wasn’t really true for the latter but old habits die hard.

    Now the narrative and teenage ego coddling boom of the new millennium of gaming has swung that pendulum in the opposite direction. For example I was playing Wolfenstein: New Order which is a game best described as pretending its a scifi inglorious bastards but really it’s a teenage boy’s first movie theater hand job. On normal difficulty the enemy’s accuracy is Stormtrooperesque and that is putting it mildly. They are hopeless when engaged from a sensible combat distance and can’t seem to hit unless they are less than ten feet away. Stealth breaks the difficulty curve even further as it seems that you can’t be spotted from crouching unless your literally kissing the jackbooted thug not to mention that the throwing knife kills everything that doesn’t have armor and patrol don’t seem to care that corpses are piling up in their route. Yet aside from the nauseatingly simple difficulty curve the game can’t help but remind you how awesome you are with a cathartic chainsaw scene at the beginning of chapter 3 punctuated with an inexplicable sex scene with no purpose than to stroke the ego of the fourteen year old boy this was designed for and to as

  • Draycos

    Kotaku linked to the vid.

  • Old Ben

    You’re right. Sonic 3’s end credits are straight Michael. Here is a good explanation of what happened.

    http://info.sonicretro.org/Michael_Jackson_Involvement_with_Sonic_3

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_oUfB6-JF4

  • Tyson

    I have never enjoyed the sonic games and i am really glad to see other people struggle with them too. I never had a problem with the “plot” or story elements of sonic, like they do in the review. I played many games from this time period with crazier/sillier elements. The sonic gameplay was what really bugged me. The montage of death and yelling, in this review, was pretty much my childhood with this game. and the level design has always baffeled me. At the very least, this review, or comentary… whatever this is… just made me realize I’m not alone.

    Someone else pointed out in the comments that sonics gameplay is very different than Mario (down button to “tackle” (or whatever) enemies instead of jumping on them.) I think this is probably why I struggled with sonic games. I was a Mario/mega man guy growing up. you do have to change your thinking to be successful at this game. But, even if I did get “in the zone” with killing bad guys, the level design always bugged me.

  • Draycos

    Seriously, boys. Giant fuck-up on this review. Either intentionally or unknowingly leaving out the fact that hitting down whilst running lets you spin dash through enemies. It pretty much negates the entire review.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Fuck those guys. Leave me alone in my little cloud castle!

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Rich Evans and Jack pulled an all-new low with Mike and Jay’s running shtick.

  • ogawaburukku

    Oh no! I disagree!

    I never ever finished a Sonic game because as a kid I coukd never get past anything with water. I think Sonic 1 sucked and I didn’t buy a Sonic game until 2. 2 at least was kind of stylish with its music and levels like the casino level, for the time anyway. But as others have said, you guys are playing it wrong! You go really fast, jump whole spinning and smash through your enemies, land on your feet like a badass, and do it again. Or you tuck down and rev up your spinner and let go of the button and watch yourself go zipping along. I think the 2nd game added that trick, which is why I liked it… but yeah, the games can be tough until you memorize the levels. I just always got freaked out when Sonic was going to drown in certain levels… because you know, I was a kid, haha. I bet I would enjoy the games if I tried playing them now even more.

    And for some reason, I couldn’t fix any of my typos because my iPad wouldn’t let me D:

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Come for the videos, stay for the comments.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    A shipment or Romulan ale is coming your way. You can pick it up in spaaaaaace!

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I JUST got that this was an Episode I reference now.

    It’s almost as if my brain was trying to forget that awful turd, but I forced it to succumb to the Dark Side.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Damn, man. Sorry to hear about your father. That must be an odd and deep connection with The Legend of Zelda.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    “Awarded by me, randomly and without true meaning or understanding of the reasons why.”

    Those are the best kinds of awards.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    sounds about right.

  • Palpatine

    Sonic needs to make a commercial with Space Cop to help promote the film whenever it comes out. They also need to have Space Cop themed toys with their kids meals.

  • maggit

    Well, it seems that the game came out 14 years before the movie or the comic.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Thanks. It’s alot of fun here. Started commenting a few months ago. Really enjoy it!

  • StopThinkingBrainUrGoingToHurt

    The only good game made by Sega was Billy Hatcher, a game where you save a giant egg while wearing a magic chicken suit in a floating palace from evil crows who use magic to take on forms of reptiles that impression roosters to make it nighttime forever and all in Japanese. I can only imagine what they were thinking when that was being made, probably something along the lines of “hopefully it’ll work”.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    It’s not the same. It’s like wathing the Grabowskis without the ability to laugh.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    What ever kinda Menga, anime……….. HEEEEY Check it out a Classic Atari arcade game circa………. WHOOOOOOUUUU………..

  • Alex Lee

    A live-action movie that is probably worse than Supergirl.

  • WrongWithYourFace
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    what was the previously recorded that showed the blue guy running from something…was he running from the black goo…was the black goo attacking him…if he was running away from the black goo attacking him and trying to kill him then why was the small robots turning into animals…were they also the black goo….was the black goo responsible for jacks shoe laces… should’t he be running away from that shoe…did he forget his wallet in there….hey guys have you seen previousy recorded? what’s previously recorded?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    What was recorded previously?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I just now remembered that I had an RLM dream last night.

    I was at my old house in the shabby basement with Mike and Jay [shabby as in the cement foundation was what we had for flooring and walls, as the diving walls for the rooms were torn down]. I was helping them set up equipment and stuff for a video shoot.

    I can’t recall exactly what happened, but I remember going over scenarios where I’d have to do a review with them and being concerned with whether or not my jokes would go too far. Other than that, what surprised me most was just how casual everyone was. In reality I’d be super excited to be there, but in my dream I was just trying to put up lights and reflectors.

    Also, I forgot to mention, the sun had Rich Evans’ face in it … like the Teletubbies sun.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Who is this?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Adolf Stoklasa.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Rich Evans face should be projected at the moon every night.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    “The Rich Evans Signal”.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    When the Clock strikes twelve his laughter sounds all about the land.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Use your Disney mind control powers! Space Cop must not fail.

  • http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/163554_10151466522002746_943882655_n.jpg Rafael Da Silva

    Toro in Japan.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Oh, grandpa Mike. Striking similarity. Could be a time loop though. I’ll rewatch all Geordi Laforge TNG episodes at once to get him out!

  • LelouchtheFilial

    “Now THIS is Mario Kart!”
    “This isn’t Mario Kart, this is… oh, he was doing a thing.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    We could make it Hollywood dark, with violence and s’plosions. Metropolis gets pulverised while spinning blue ball takes on Robotnick. Dark violence and depression told in a dark depressing violent way. The Hollywood way. Fast and the furrious 7 – Dark dawn on the moon of Robotnick age, starring Vin Diesel as Sonic and Dwayne Johnson as Tails.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Haven’t seen it. The plinkett one? Feel so out of touch.

  • thehilblog

    Do you think they even read these comments? Or will the next ep just be more of the same?

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Yes.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    I think they like to keep intouch. I don’t think they make as much money as those VHS repair frauds ripping Plinkett so their bound to check on their fanbase. Jack has been around some times lately, can’t remeber where(someone fill me in if I’m right). They problably will continue on the same path. The way I see it is that they can only get better.

  • thehilblog

    Well, I hope they get better at least.

  • Harry Butters

    C’mon guys, I mean I’m a fan of these videos but it’s pretty pointless to critique something you don’t even understand. You talk about how going fast was a flaw, yet not once of the many times you got hit were you doing what the game intended, which is rolling. The big moment of the show where you take the frame rate and how much distance you had before you got hit? Yea it made absolutely no sense because you didn’t play the game right. Hold down and press B (or A I can’t remember) a bunch of times and you charge roll and kill enemies at the same time. (Out of the days you played these games you never figured this out??? There’s a reason why he’s Sonic the HEDGEHOG) It is a fundamental core of this game. It’s like if i were to play Mario and get mad when I run into enemies and die, because I never jump on their heads, then I say, “The game is flawed.” Seriously guys, every critique you had of this game was basically you not understanding the basic concept of the game. It was hard to watch, you guys need a true video game nerd there with you to do damage control and show you how to play the game like it was meant to be played. This is coming from a straight Super Nintendo lover who disliked everything Sega, (except Tails, I love Tails.) This review reminds me of the Titanfall review where you guys never even tried to use the parkour element the game WANTS you to use. How can you critique a game if you don’t even understand how to play it?
    That being said I still love the show, but please try to get all the information before you make these videos, for without all of the facts, it makes the entire show irrelevant, and frankly makes you guys look really duml and the discussion becomes a big waste of your and my time.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Jay comments sometimes, Jack comments sometimes, Rich commented one or twice.

    They don’t comment often, if ever, but they go through the comments and moderate things, yeah.

    They took down one of omitted’s posts because of an image that went a little too far.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Even Mike has commented once or twice.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    omitted. That Finnish bastard! What has he had?!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Yea, I would love some episodes with indepth reviews mixed with gamestation 2.0. But I Think it’s casualgaming. I’m Ok with that.
    What would you like or change?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    The very Gods them selves walk among us!

  • thehilblog

    I’d just like them to be a little more informed. And if not that, then just do a series that’s different from all the other game videos that are out there.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Fortunately I’m missing that last part of the title. I’m just an asshole.

  • Palpatine

    I assure you, Space Cop will not fail.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Really? Wow, I’ve never seen one.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    I agree. They could read up some more. I didn’t like the show in the beginning, I Think it has gotten better and I’m getting around to the casual style. It’s hard to come up with new things though. most gamingformats are covered from many angles. Hopefully it makes it to the next level.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    VHS repairman, filmmaker and fraud.

    http://disqus.com/Redlettermike/

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Yea, two years ago. I’m “following” him, you can check from there.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Goood, goood let the h… oh that’s what you say.

  • Real Quantum

    When you feel like having a good laugh, you should.

    It’s a Plinkett audio commentary track, I don’t know if it’s the one for the phantom menace or for episode 4, because Boss Nass is in both.

    Anyway, they are both great tracks and you really don’t need to be watching the movies to hear them.

    Mike starts riffing with uncanny impressions of Jar Jar and Boss Nass…
    I don’t want to spoil it more, but it is very funny ;)

  • Real Quantum

    Isn’t it illegal, though?
    Ah, who cares?

  • Real Quantum

    I want to give 20 likes to this comment.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Allright, sweet! I’ll check it out. That’s my new mission. Have not had time to see them. I like the new ones with AvP and Ghostbusters 2 when all frauds are present.

  • Real Quantum

    True, there are glitches here and there, but I haven’t played a 16 bit console for 20 years or so.
    I do have fun with emulators for Spectrum ZX, Amiga, Sega, Nintendo, PS1, though.

  • Real Quantum

    Well, they couldn’t get any worse…
    I’m KIDDING!

  • WrongWithYourFace

    *Cum to videos.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    See how I used an RLM gif to make my remark seem humorous and to get an upvote? And now I’m making a pointless reply to myself. The keys to Wall of Shame success, my friends.

  • E.C. Conrad

    Picking on the plot is silly. “Are the bunnies mind-controlled too???” Yes, Rich, they are; isn’t it kind of implied by how they attack you? All of this as if Mario and Megaman have the most straight-laced, serious and logical backstories ever. It’s a game for children, for cryin’ out loud!

  • Malevolence

    :P …. thought Crash was way better than Sonic, Spyro too……

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Turns out I ‘liked’ one of his comments. Guess I had seen it before, over 2 years ago, though.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I was waiting for that.

    These videos just get me in the mood. I use The Grabowskis to reach climax.

  • Drain

    Mike and Jay were running in place before it was cool.

  • Now I Get It

    At times, Mike, Jay, and Rich have each made many more appearances on the official “Message Board” under various threads, sometimes quite conversationally.

    BTW, using my post of Grover getting a hand job as a baseline for iffy images, was omitted’s post on the plus or minus side of that mark? Alternatively, what two images that you’ve seen on here would you say it fell between? Or did you even see his post? And if not, just where were you on the night of whenever the fuck this was, and why? … … …
    …That is all.

  • My ex wife

    Well, Space Cop’s just this guy, you know?

  • ModernDayMinstrel

    Thanks man, I appreciate it. It definitely is strange. I make it a point to beat Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past at least once every year because of it.

    I hope its something I can pass on to my kids one day, but I have to find someone willing to have sex with me before that can happen!

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    But Rich and Jack never even left their chairs. Super lazy.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    “Where did all these children come from?!”

  • Stupid Wizard

    Speaking of overrated what do you all think is the most overrated movie of all time is?

  • Stupid Wizard

    God damnit, Kotaku. Listen if you are new here and you’re one of those assholes from Kotaku who are complain about Jack and Rich please watch previous Pre-Rec episodes or other RedLetterMedia content.

  • Stupid Wizard

    You’re talking like you came from Kotaku

  • Stupid Wizard

    You’re suppose he looks like Moby, get the jokes right, you fraud.

  • Stupid Wizard

    He’s smarter than the Combine from Half Life.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I gotta start eating Chunky’s Chicken

  • Stupid Wizard

    They wake up and there’s like a film reel on their bed.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Schindler List

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    I dunno, if I were a chicken I’d be kinda pissed…That hedgehog has no business being 10 time larger than a chicken…none!

  • Meester Smeeth

    Jaws.

  • Mark Bisone

    Agree. It’s not nearly as good as Schindler’s List.

  • Stupid Wizard

    Here’s mine: Frozen.

  • Mark Bisone
  • Meester Smeeth

    I haven’t seen Frozen, but I have heard things about letting off and something about building a snowman. Is that what it’s all about?

  • Mark Bisone
  • Mark Bisone
  • Jay Stein

    Guys the first “console wars” were between Atari, Mattel and Coleco in the 80’s. Also omitting button functions is SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Meester Smeeth
  • VonBrewskie

    booooooo. You guys suck at Sonic. You’re just old. Your eyes can’t keep up like they did when you were kids. Sonic could be frustrating but it was always fun. You played some runs as fast as hell, some runs for exploring. C’mon man. Sonic CD was a masterpiece. I respectfully disagree with all of this. Also, Sega vs Nintendo as the first console war? Nah. That’s just wrong. There were huge battles among game companies in the 70s and early 80s before the first collapse of the market.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd
  • Stupid Wizard

    *in Mike’s voice* Frozen is a hypocritical pretentious mess of a film that believes it has a plot but it doesn’t, designed by Disney to be thoughtful and make a shit ton of money off a soundtrack. It has characters who just do things for no discernible reason. The film follows two sisters, one has X-Men powers and she’s a queen. Then people find out and try to kill her because they’re stupid. Along the way we meet our tropes that have been done to death in other Disney animated and live action films. Thanks, Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck, I hope someone shoves a club up your ass*breaks character by laughing*

  • Old Ben

    Rich and Jack streaming now Mario Kart 8
    http://www.twitch.tv/previouslyrecorded_live

  • Mark Bisone

    Well, I’ll agree it’s not nearly as good as Gilliam’s “Man of La Mancha”. That movie is so good, nobody’s even seen its awesomely ambiguous ending.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    What the fuck is Kotaku?

  • Palpatine

    The amazing laughter of Rich Evans is arousing enough for me.

  • Stupid Wizard

    New Best of The Worst tomorrow!

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    You’ve learned well, my young Padawan.

  • Palpatine

    How do you now that? Did also you read the script? Hey, what’s that on the ground right there? Is that the script?

  • Stupid Wizard

    No I watch Pre Rec on Twitch

  • Palpatine

    Oh, thanks. Is it a regular Best of the Worst, or a new Wheel of the Worst? I’m hoping for a new Wheel, or a special episode on Nukie.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I don’t know in the stream chat everyone wants it to be an anime one.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    He doesn’t seem to care about video games.

    Higher praise I cannot muster for Mr. Stoklasa.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    I don’t think I’d go so far as to say Schindler’s List isn’t as good as a small collection of A-roll shots from an incomplete movie that someone’s posted on youtube, but as far as it’s prospects and in terms of Directors and general I’d give preference to Gilliam as a rule.

  • Domo_Konnichiwa

    That’s almost as exciting as seeing you make the wall of shame.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Blue Velvet.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Dishonorable mention: The Crying Game.

  • Ugh

    And it came from the heart.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    I had a dream that they did a sports movie one…

  • Mark Bisone

    Oh jeez, I thought we were doing a thing. I didn’t realize that Spielberg and Gilliam were the only two guys in the world who made movies, and that these were dualistic arguments from authority. I stink at that game!

  • Palpatine

    Is it normal to have RLM related dreams?

  • Mark Bisone

    Do people still like that flick? I thought it was popular for five seconds in 1992, then everyone moved on.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    It’s probably regular BOTW. WOTW only comes around every three months or so. Not that I’m counting the days or anything.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    It would be abnormal not to.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I MADE IT! LET’S DANCE!

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/auzfTPp4moA

  • Mark Bisone

    It’s still popular with the “film theory” crowd, but like “The Crying Game” I don’t think it has held up over the years. I still do enjoy watching Hopper huff amyl through a gas mask, but the rest is minor Lynch.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Dude, quit being a fucking pest already.

  • Mark Bisone

    It’ll never happen. I was born to pester.

  • Alex Lee

    I thought Frozen was about getting off and producing a baby snowman.

    Oh! It’s like Where did I come from?

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    It won an Academy Award for best original screenplay. It has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes:

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/crying_game

    Although that obviously doesn’t include John Simon’s review in National Review

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    I love the cast. I just think the whole thing was a gigantic mess from start to finish.

  • Alex Lee

    I can’t wait for the sequel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvKTRebgJcw

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Normal as in it to a normal person under normal circumstances? Yes, it’s normal. I think. Though I may peter back the frequency that I visit this site as a result.

  • Palpatine

    Well I had once where Rich Evans ran for mayor of Milwaukee and won. Once in power, Rich declared Milwaukee an independent country, and while things were good at first, he soon became an authoritarian dictator. So Mike, Jay, Jack, Jessi, and Josh started a group of freedom fighters to overthrow Rich. Shit happens, and at one point, the lady who played Nadine joined the group, but later turned out to be a spy for Rich. More shit happens, all leading up to an epic battle between the rebels and Rich Evans’ army of robots. Mike and Rich have a spectacular sword fight for some reason. Rich is defeated by, him and Jessi get married, and all ends well.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Just be thankful all you got were words. You could have gotten pictures of Santa rape.

    They still haunt my days . . . .

  • Mark Bisone

    The most overrated film of all time is “Gone With The Wind”. Not because it’s a shitty movie — it’s a good movie. But the years have far been too kind to it, and nostalgia has lent it too much credit. It wasn’t even the best film out the year it was made, but it is typically held up as the signature film of the golden age.

  • Alex Lee

    You could not get me to sit down for that movie.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Jay once took down an image I put up. I was trying to illustrate the Nietzschean aphorism about staring into the abyss. Unfortunately, the image included not a small amount of odure. I thought it was fake, but I guess Jay disagreed. Of course, I bowed to his judgment.

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    The directors edition has Prissy turning into a car, at the end and ripping Galvatron’s head off and saving a screaming She Leboulf. Worth checking out actually.

  • Mark Bisone

    Don’t get me wrong; it’s a good flick. It’s just a gold record rated quadruple platinum, to the point that no honest disagreement is allowed.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Vizzini, Rex, Grand Nagus Zek, Andre’s dinner companion?

    Hmm, I’m not seeing it.

  • Mark Bisone

    Yeah, it was a mess. I still say that the best David Lynch movie that he also wrote was “Lost Highway”, probably because I’m a fan of odd-angled vampire flicks.

  • Mark Bisone

    For me, Jordan’s best were “Mona Lisa” and “The Company of Wolves”. He’s one of those guys that started strong and has gone downhill ever since.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    If that were true, it would be the most awesome dream of all time.

  • Palpatine

    All we need now is for them to make that into their next movie.

  • Mark Bisone

    Jay once deleted me for DOX’ing some fartward who was dissing his indie creds because he didn’t lather up and suck off “Escape From Tomorrow”. Jay was right, of course. Cocaine is a helluva drug.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    What’s the over/under on the time of posting? 10 am, 11, noon?

  • Connor

    I agree that Sonic is a bit more manufactured than Mario, but Mario was actually always intended to be the Nintendo mascot. In fact, Miyamoto’s original plan for “Mario and friends” (quote from the interview) was for them to be in EVERY Nintendo game. You can see a bit of this in early nes games like Tennis where Mario is the referee, or in gameboy games like Qix.

    In terms of “classic” sonic being very overrated though, I actually agree. I loved those games as a kid, and I still play through them, but they have HUGE issues that people tend to overlook. The same issues that the 3d ones get flack for.

  • dollar store cashier wife

    gaming’s unparalleled equivalent for tabloid “journalism.”

  • Stupid Wizard

    Jay said tomorrow

  • Mark Bisone
  • Thanatos2k

    Spikes rarely just “come out of the wall.” You are usually stopped in an area where you can see them moving before you have to traverse the areas where they can hit you.

  • Thanatos2k

    Yeah that’s some mediocre voice acting. But that’s not exactly what you’re playing for….

  • Thanatos2k

    Titanic, of course.

  • Thanatos2k

    I know. Did anyone ever stop playing Super Mario Brothers the first time they saw a goomba and go “WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? How does such a creature that is killed if anything touches it on the head even survive?”

  • Thanatos2k

    They don’t put drill beaked enemies in places where you will be coming forward with speed though. Level design, what’s that?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Of all the things to be thankful for I’ve got to think that is going to appear pretty low on the list.

  • Thanatos2k

    Before release, yes. After release – definitely not.

    Overhyped is the word you were looking for.

  • Mark Bisone

    So, basically, The Stand but with slide whistles?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    I’d pay to see that.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Thanks. Now I’ll never get to sleep.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Not a betting man, eh?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd

    Kevin Bacon

    *yes I’m changing mine.

  • Stupid Wizard

    I have a great way to release fan rage without being a retarded fanboy. Just simply look at this man. The mere sight of this will release so much anger it will make you so much better.

    http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111231121807/fma/pl/images/8/87/Shou_Tucker.jpg

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Isn’t Palpy in charge of distributing anger around here? Oh and yes, I find my self extremly angry!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Alright! Clearing the schedule. I’m cancelling my doctors appointment for my cat. My son can pick up him self. And microwave cookery! There!

  • dollar store cashier wife

    Black Monster Dicks #2

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Is that the anticipated sequel to the Tom Cruise summer hit Edge of Tomorrow?

  • Now I Get It

    I didn’t see yours either but for your reply that ~”I might have gone too far in places.”

    I’ve had two cancellations that I know of: a plate of “frosted ginger balls” was flagged within minutes as spam then vanished, I presume because the image came from a mail order website. In any case, it made me aware of where I draw images from. The other – some text accompanied by a gif from “Flight of the Conchords” – lasted weeks longer. I was grateful to see it gone, though, as, unlike Bisone, I never hate myself quite so much as when I try to rhyme.

    I suspect that between the tedium of reading other people’s mail and the indignation that some of that mail is about oneself, moderating comments is tough gig made bearable only by the absolute power to X the worst shit out. If Jay can survive that and still do a day’s work elsewhere, more power to him.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    “That beat! I’m done!” is one of my personal favorites. (gif bait)

  • WrongWithYourFace

    Oh, fuck yes! I’ve been meaning to look for a (cheap) way to get them to watch Warriors of the Wasteland (AKA The New Barbarians) and you, Sir Gryce, have just made my day! Thank you! That movie is brilliant!

  • WrongWithYourFace

    He’s kind of necrophiliac that way.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    “My son can pick up him self.”

    http://youtu.be/eCc8UieKWSI?t=1m41s

  • Firebrand

    Thank you so much. YES. The main mechanic of Sonic (speed) is not well thought out because the game punishes you for going fast. This is made worse by the fact that the game at certain times requires that you have momentum. It’s really a trial and error game much like super meat boy, minus the unlimited lives and straightforward level design that SMB has.

  • dirk beefhammer

    Rich Evans, the most overrated CGI character ever?

  • Firebrand

    Yup the Crash games are amazing.

  • Now I Get It

    It’s an interesting distinction. Both movies and games give the consumer an immersive experience, in that they put him “in a world” in which he has something at stake. But they differ in that games test the player in a way that movies don’t test the viewer. The player can lose the game, whereas the viewer can’t lose the movie (even if the movie can lose him).

    And, so, gamers are given to trash talking each other before, during, and after, whereas viewers aren’t, unless, unless they’re watching the movie for ideological reasons, in which case they’ll argue afterward as if their world is still at stake.

    It’s like the difference between archaeologists and anthropologists. Contrary to the stereotype about awkward science nerds, archaeologists are a convivial bunch, given to socialising, drinking, and swapping stories of their many adventures on digs and misadventures dealing with the officials of museums and backward foreign governments, and so forth.

    Whereas anthropologists are less convivial than they are cliquey. It’s not enough to have field experience in some backward foreign land; one must have gone to the correct foreign land, endured the ennobling hardships of farming with an approved, i.e., endangered, indigenous people, and drawn the right conclusions about subsidised land reform. Anything else would be inauthentic, i.e., mark one as “not a true player” in the academy.

  • mizzl

    Hey i really like your way of doing a review. In fact it very much reminded me of this piece of work.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ

  • Real Quantum

    I have a theory: Cliff is Plinkett’s son, before he committed suicide in the can.

  • izo

    It wasn’t a waste of mine or a lot of people’s. Cry more you nancy bitch. It’s a fucking game, and a terrible one at that.

  • izo

    You can completely run through a Mario level at full speed on your first try without having to resort to such a cheap gameplay mechanic as memorization. That’s because the controls to Mario are nearly immaculate as far as platform games go.

    Sonic games are bad. Stay mad.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Wait, he killed him self?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Cliff, what a stud!

  • Hyakkidouran

    Now that there has been several episodes, I can say it honestly : “Previously recorded” is really not very good, and it is the antithesis of why I like Red Letter Media.

    I believe Mike and Jay are more interesting movie critics than most people on the internet for basically two reasons :

    – They are the only ones that can actually tell an decent story while doing a
    review (Plinkett, Half in the Bag). Storylines by most online reviewers are just unbearable fan wank, and Red Letter Media manages to avoid that.

    – They are filmmakers. Even if their films are low-budget tongue-in-cheek stuff, it gives them actual knowldge only professionnals can have. With this knowledge, they are able to provide interesting insights. It also allows them to have a high
    tolerance for mistakes and find redeeming qualities in bad movies.

    But what do Rich and Jack know about making video games? Absolutely nothing.

    I am actually an hobbyist game developer, and reviews like this make me cringe. They are made in complete ignorance of the way things work. And especially the way it used to work in the 90’s.

    Back in the 90’s, games were made differently. Code was much harder to produce (it was made in assembly or primitive version of C language), and technical things like blast processing were soexpensive and complicated to develop, that you had to make them profitable by basing games on it.

    Sonic was a technical prowess back in the day. It is undeniable. And gameplay wise, it was good if you saw it as a game that could be played either slowly, or in a speedrun fashion once you knew the game by heart.

    With their ignorant critiques of games, Rich and Jack have basically become a devolved version of the Angry video game Nerd.

    They complain and swear like crazy, believing they are edgy and interesting, when in reality they don’t know anything about actual game making and just state mostly undocumented opinions.

    It is obvious that you guys are doing this because gaming is huge and you feel like you have to do something related to that…

    But please just don’t. Please just stick to a subject in which your team can provide actual knowledge, based on experience as a creator, rather than experience as a consumer.

    I guess I can’t prevent you from doing what you decide, but I think you are deciding to do something that makes you no different than any idiot with a camera and a game console.

    Please don’t do that. I would be very sad to see your quality devolve towards the average online review. You guys managed to be different and above the crowd and I feel like you’re throwing that away.

  • Old Ben

    lol oh man, hey it’s you boy Old Ben 2, they got this webzone right, for people who smoke or people who drink, like if you drink beer and get drunk, or if you smoke weed and you get high, and you just anything, like if you, if you just be getting fucked up, they got this webzone right! oh no! this shit called Red Letter Media, hold up fuck, rewind this shit…

  • disqus_1dQzKD1n4Z

    God bless “press start to skip”!

  • Palpatine

    Isn’t that the book by Stephen King?

  • Dooya Evanlift

    I’m a big fan of RLM in general, but come on guys, Sonic is a TERRIBLE game? Thats just silly. Its a fun platformer with great music and graphics that puts a twist on the genre with by adding Sonic’s speed and slot car/pinball inspired levels. Look, I know Sonic can come off as a little pro-active at times but TERRIBLE? You guys are better than that.

  • Dooya Evanlift

    Sorry to be the internet correction guy, but seriously, all I want to do is get a zoom zoom zoom and a boom boom is by the spice girls? My dudes its Wrex N Effect, you need some fact checkers.

  • Ogrot

    I like how in this analogy a pretty brilliant and cerebral platformer like Braid is unintentionally the stand in for Sonic. Points for teenaged inaccurate over the top hyperbole, though.

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Don’t hold your breath. Now that I exposed that tape, they might not want to use it. (I picked that one for the moose because I thought they had already mentioned it somewhere along the way.)

    Although I have a good track record with WOTW, so far I haven’t been able to get any movies into BOTW.

  • Captain Turbo

    Take back what you said about Crash Bandicoot, you bastards! TAKE IT BACK!!!

  • thehilblog

    This was the best, most well-measured and thoughtful comment I’ve read since this video was posted. This is exactly how I feel but written in a much less vitriolic way. I sorta reacted badly because I, like you, feel a bit betrayed. I don’t really care about someone not liking Sonic… but I care about RLM going against what it stands for and putting out subpar content.

    I’m told by devoted long-time commenters that the RLM team do sometimes check comments, so maybe they’ll take note because it’s clear that the majority of the fans aren’t really feeling these videos. I get that Jack and Rich like games and want an outlet to talk about them, but it feels like it’s bringing the rest of the site down. I don’t think it’s intentionally clickbait because I highly doubt that’s how these guys roll, but the fact that it’s getting reposted on Kotaku and getting lots of views is troubling because it feels like they could just keep doing the show this way and it wouldn’t matter in terms of views/monetization. But I still hope they’re better than that.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    I’m keeping my fingers crossed. (Hard to type) I don’t remember them mentioning it, though. Have you seen it yourself?

  • Ogrot

    While I agree on a few points that the review should be more grounded in it’s era as opposed to user expectations of today, the assertion that they shouldn’t bother voicing their opinion because game design isn’t their artistic outlet is completely asinine.

    Does the fact that Kevin Smith has made more films and had more success as a filmmaker than Mike Stoklasa suddenly make his opinion that the Phantom Menace was good more valid than Stoklasa’s Plinkett reviews?

    http://viewaskew.com/press/menace.html

    Do you suddenly forfeit the ability to have an opinion on politics because you’ve never held an elected office? And on the flip side am I automatically a better literary critic, because I am writing my own self indulgent fanfic? Any rationale person would say no, and it’s due to the fact that their is a lot more critiquing something than simply having a more insider perspective than the audience. In fact being too inside is a detriment to your objectivity see Kevin Smith.

    A good critic needs to be well read in their medium of critique. They need to be expert at deconstructing core aspects of the work and evaluating their success or worth. They need a good understanding of the history of the genre. Jay and Mike meet all those things and that is the heart of why they are so good.

    And finally though Stoklasa and Baumann are filmmakers I doubt very much that they would equate their experience and process to that of what goes in a Hollywood studio. Rather they look at their experience as giving them some insight in technical aspects and difficulties of filmmaking, But what grounds them as critics is the fact that they themselves are pretty grounded individuals with measured ambitions as opposed to having overblown opinions of their unique expertness because they created Feeding Frenzy. Their reviews work because they do a great job of riding that line of intellectual discussion in an informal manner that leaves the audience with the impression that they are having a beer with their buddies talking about movies. They don’t pander, and they don’t talk down to their audience (which is what an “I’m a creator” critic would essentially be doing).

  • LelouchtheFilial

    I’m not a betting man.
    I’m a LOSING man.
    *Laugh track.*

  • Real Quantum

    “It’s so dense, every single frame has so much going on…”
    But this time, in a good way :)

  • reckingmachine

    Hey guys

    I had the exact same response after I replayed the sonic games; I downloaded it on my 360 to play it again to see if I would still enjoy my child hood game. But unfortunately, it was far too quick for the map design and I found it unplayable. But I remembered it being different.

    I never had a mega drive (genesis to our American friends) when I was a kid, I had a snes and a sega master system.

    The master system was sega’s delayed answer to the Nintendo Entertainment System, they came preloaded with games on the console, one was Alex the paper kid (I think?) and the other was sonic the hedgehog, which was the one I had.

    the master system was a less powerful machine then the megadrive, so it didn’t have the “blast drive” capabilities; With hindsight (and you’re video confirmed my thoughts) my version of sonic, the game I played and loved, was much more like the idealised version of the game that you two would want to play, (based on your criticisms); there were less spiny bits (an old school equivalent of QuickTime events perhaps?) and less hazards that discourage fast travel; which destroyed the whole gimmick of sonic.

    In essence, the sonic I played was very much like a classic Mario game; A simple platformer with inventive level design. But because this sonic game was a different system, the whole map design and game mechanics were done from scratch for the master system specifically, leading to a better game. Its completely different from the megadrive version, it’s a great example of limited abilities leading to a better product

    it was good in its own right, it had less pointless fast bits and the movement was more fluid,

    If you want to play a better designed game, check it out.

    : )

    Ps, I’m loving all the work you do, keep it up!

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    No, I can’t really watch bad movies by myself, and Mrs. Gryce has very limited tolerance.

    It does have that post-apocalyptic thing that Jay loves so much going for it, so there’s that.

  • Stephen Carnaggio

    I find your conclusion compelling, but I can’t help but notice you
    didn’t seem to roll, like at all, in any of the footage you showed us.
    Did you know that when you run, you can press the down button to curl
    into a ball, making you defeat enemies that are in your way? This ball
    form allows you to pick up more momentum, and progress without being
    hurt by enemies. since I didn’t see you roll once, I can’t help but feel
    you overlooked it. That’s odd, because the video indicates that you did
    indeed read the manuals, so you should have known about that.

  • Michael Collins

    “Cry more you nancy bitch”….LOL
    Thanks for putting in the time to find and reply to my comment, the internet applauds you.

  • Joel Salazar

    sonic has the same situation as many games before it of its era. Repetition. Knowing the patterns and the placement of enemies. Mario and Megaman (and plenty of NES games) were the same too. By constantly playing it over and over, you learned where the enemy was and when to jump. If you’re running and you know the enemy is up ahead (from the last time you died), press down on the controller and roll right through it. The levels do backtrack a little. But this is meant as replayability. The last time you played it, you took path A, This second time around, you take path B. Once again, this is for replayability. Sonic had no saves built in. You took an afternoon to tackle the game, and unfortunately lost. The next time you play it, you learned from past mistakes. I doubt kids today would have the patience to do this. Way back then, you only had one game and you played it to death.

  • Pete Zarrol

    Exactly. While I agree with Jack and Rich that at times in Sonic you could almost put the controller down and sit back, ultimately the fun of the speed parts and loop-de-loops is choosing (or knowing) when to run and when to spin and when to jump, and Sonic’s vulnerabilities change depending on how he is moving. To play the whole game without spinning is missing the point, or to deliberately overlook it in the review is rather manipulative. It seems unlikely that Jack and Rich would have missed the concept completely as Sonic 2 relies on the powered-up spin move (down + jump) frequently in its gameplay, and as you say, they did read the manuals…

  • http://theladyfingers.blogspot.com/ Ladyfingers

    Space Mutiny was made in Cape Town, South Africa in a power station scheduled for demolition. I recall hearing at the time (I was a kid) that they were making a new Star Wars movie in my city, and then forgetting about it until a friend sent me a copy of the MST3K copy.

  • lorcank

    This is actually really dumb. First of all, you suck at deinterlacing. The in-game footage looks combed as fuck.

    Second of all, 70% of the arguments against the game is based on the marketing angle, Which is to say not the *actual game* angle.

    Sure, the first Sonic was rough. The first Mario was much rougher. They both had their strengths and weaknesses, but what they both had in common was a refined momentum system. Just because one might have been slightly less amazing than the other doesn’t mean Sonic was the overrated game of all time.

    Nice troll though guys.

  • lorcank

    Also, you have a long section comprised of being upset at losing your rings. Dudes, this is the lest upsetting thing in game history. Grow some balls.

  • WrongWithYourFace

    It’s true that bad movies are best consumed in company. Does Mrs. Gryce not let you of the house garage?

    I truly hope they will get to it. It’s a pearl the world must know about.

  • thehilblog

    I think what a lot of us are saying though is that they’re not well-read. I agree it’s a little ridiculous to ask them to be experts on game design just to critique games, but they gotta know SOMETHING outside of just “I picked up a controller one time.”

  • https://twitter.com/Percy_Gryce Percy Gryce

    Let’s just call it: self-imposed exile.

  • Thanatos2k

    The problem is despite the average internet commenter’s belief – the value of opinions are not equal. RLM’s opinions on film are far more informed, educated, and experienced than those on video games. Would you come to see RLM start reviewing music? I mean, an opinion’s an opinion, right?

  • ccw_clan:rewired

    Audio leveling, seriously….

  • Cameron Vale

    I don’t think the challenge of video games is any social impediment, since socially oriented video games have been quite successful in the past. But within the medium, they’re seen as a lower order (excluding online multiplayer games, since they aren’t strictly social). Movies, on the other hand, are seen as a lower order if they aren’t released in theaters, which are literally large rooms where people crowd in and watch a movie together. It’s not difficult to find technical explanations for this distinction (for example, movies don’t have to accomodate every single person who experiences them) but they don’t connect in any obvious way to these cultural factors, which are difficult to ignore.

  • Orange_Lazarus

    why aren’t they using the spin dash? Seriously that’s my only complaint.

    hold down press …. b, c or a whatever. let go.

    edit: even in the original (which lacked the spin dash) if you’re running down a hill you better press down to get into spin mode.

  • Orange_Lazarus

    Seriously the best example of a game that rewards you for going fast is the original Ninja Gaiden where you’re punished for taking your sweet time (mainly by respawns) and rewarded for moving as fast as possible through the level.

  • Real Quantum

    Plinkett’s son did ;)

  • Real Quantum

    Why??!!

  • Bag of Magic Food

    But if I lose all those hard-earned rings now, I won’t get any extra lives or Chaos Emeralds. :(

  • Ogrot

    Please point out where I said all opinions are equal or that the key to good criticism is simply having an opinion on something. You’re bringing up a straw man to argue with.

    As far as the rest, no their opinions on films are not exclusively more informed on movies because they tried to make a few amateur films. That is merely a part to the whole of their film wisdom. Their opinions are also more informed, because they have seen a fuckload more movies than most people, because they have at length discussed and deconstructed them on a higher than average level informally before devoting themselves to even making a criticism show, because they have spent some time learning the history behind a lot of the films that fascinate them, and oh by the way Mike also went to film school I’m sure some of that sunk in as well.

    Secondly, good critical deconstruction is a skill in of itself and not all professional designers are necessarily good enough at it to make a living being a critic. In fact most of your high level and respected critics aren’t. People like Liam Lane have instead spent their schooling deconstructing films and literature as part of their English degree training and liked it enough to make a professional career for it. But when it comes down to it as a consumer of criticism a critic is only as good as what you are looking for in that critic.

    If I’m in the mood for a deep intellectual discussion about the cultural value of a cerebral avante garde film I just watched I will probably read a column on it by Liam Lane. If I’m in the mood for a smartly sarcastic beer session I’ll watch Half in the Bag. If I want to debate the finer points of comic book nerdery I’ll prolly look to Movie Bob. And likewise if I want to see a game have the piss taken out of either in a loving or totally derisive manner I’ll watch Zero Punctuation. And finally if I feel like passing out in front of my computer hoping that the overdose of quaaludes I just took will kill me I’ll watch pewdiepie.

    All of the serious recommendations above have one thing in common, and that is they are pretty masterful at deconstructing and discussing the things that they are interested in. Being a creator offers a bit of insight, but it’s not at all an edge if you aren’t well read, educated, versed in the history, or are totally shit at deconstructing a thing and explaining it’s finer points in terms of your interests.

    Furthermore, using that excuse as a way to invalidate their opinion on a game is an intellectually lazy ad hominem at best. Hence why it is asinine to say.

    Also a final nitpick. I find it troublesome when people make some blanket generalization about the “average people,” because they often don’t include themselves amongst the average smoes they’re likely smugly disparaging.

  • Bag of Magic Food

    Maybe in the U.S., but Super Mario World was like seven months earlier in Japan.

  • Bag of Magic Food

    That’s why Mario was only on the Family Computer

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I agree with both of your comments. Well articulated points, if a bit lengthy.

  • izo

    Thanks for taking time to respond. I’m sure you feel vindicated knowing that your precious sanic games have been defended

  • Jesus the Hutt

    I was not aware of that, thank you, but actually I am from Spain and we did get Sonic waay before we got the SNES.. I should have pointed that out.

  • Tukka

    The birds in Ninja Gaiden are fine. They just require a little more timing and patience than most of the rest of the game. Overall the game is solid. Its only major failing is the awful checkpointing (or lack thereof) in the final level. It’s far too punishing and gives you no fair opportunity to learn the final boss’s patterns.

    And Sonic and Mario are not really so different. They are both action platformers that are mascots for their respective companies/platforms. Given that speed kills for a novice/intermediate Sonic player, they do not play differently in any fundamental way. I’m not saying there are no important differences, but it’s not exactly apples and oranges.

    And I’ll maintain that not being able to productively utilize Sonic’s trademark feature until you memorize the levels is a major flaw. You have to put the game in its context. It’s the game that introduces people to the Sega Genesis, and maybe video games in general, and speed was a major part of the game’s marketing, and the game’s various animations and whatnot make you feel like you should be going fast.

    So when a video game novice (or Sonic novice) starts playing Sonic and is punished for going fast, it is (and was) very disappointing and off-putting. It’s bad design and the only reason I can see giving it is a pass is the fact that Sonic was a pack-in game, and was probably the only game a lot of people had for a while, so it’s inevitable that it would get played and re-played by a lot of folks who could eventually get to the point where they could master it and go fast.

  • ElectricPrism

    Can we get a PreRec review of this modern masterpiece
    http://store.steampowered.com/app/313740/?snr=1_237_151__104

  • Jennifer Elise Bunnell

    Kotakunians must be more affectionate than I’ve heard then. :)

  • Bob

    So Jack went into playing Sonic with the predetermined opinion that it sucked, and at the end of the review he concluded that Sonic sucks.

    I’m sorry but I think Jack is the worst person to do these video game reviews because unlike Rich, he really doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He comes off as a smarmy asshole most of the time, and it’s embarrassing to see him put out his preconceived idea without even knowing how to spin dash.

    I can see why Len Kabazinski punched his face hole first. He’s probably the most ill-informed member of RLM.

  • Bob

    And if you recall when Jack was reviewing one of Len Kabazinski’s movies he criticized the mistakes of black frames and wondered if anyone even proof-viewed the movie after editing.

    So I guess it’s pretty clear that Jack never watched HIS OWN VIDEO for these kind of audio mistakes?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/TwiIight0ne Muscle Hedonist

    I had really hoped you’d link Air Control.
    You screwed up, is what I’m saying.

  • tommaile

    Red Letter Media people, I love your shows and this one is another winner, but the first console war was Atari vs. Intellivision. Not Nintendo vs. Sega.

    Come on, fellas. This is Video Game History 101.

  • tommaile

    Regarding Sonic’s fatal flaw, you nailed it. The game tells you to move fast, but penalizes you for doing so. This paradox has always been the fatal flaw that has kept the games from being enjoyable, IMO.

  • Bliss Seeker


    Is Sonic the Hedgehog the most overrated game ever in the history of our lives?

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  • Bliss Seeker

    Would you like me to publish that comment for you?

  • Bliss Seeker
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  • Now I Get It

    I’m sure we’ll get to observe this again, for as long as “Pre-Rec” is a thing on RLM.

    In that vein, it’s interesting that documentaries on games have proliferated in recent years, much as they have on heavy metal. A rough survey on imdb reveals 31 titles since 2002, with over half coming since 2012, and many of those not yet out. The list of subjects is rangy: arcades, game (culture, developers, studios), gamers (amateur, professional), games (as therapy, classic), history, industry, and tournaments. Then there are the TV series, both reality and fictional.

    Add to this the documentaries on movie collectors and genre history, plus those on cosplay (which seems to fit between game and movie enthusiasts), and one finds a lot of labour going into defining each of these distinct quarters. Maybe in time a complete picture will emerge of what is really a single territory.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATk530jVOs Boss Nass

    Oh, yeah. *wink* Long time since I saw those plinkett reviews. Something for the weekend.

  • Nathan Evans

    Guys if you press down and one of the A, B or C buttons – Sonic goes in to a speed spin attack that is lethal to any enemy… hell that mole looking robot with the drills, all you do there is press down when you’re running and you roll in to him and smash him.

  • Yezzir!

    I don’t remember Sonic being so hard to play going fast. I remember that you had to get used to knowing when to lay off the speed, but the more you play it the faster you can go because you know when to hit your jumps to avoid those pitfalls and traps.

    I remember being really impressed with Sonic because it was such an amped up version of Mario. I never thought about what Mario could be like in fast forward mode.

  • Yezzir!

    The irony is that you guys showed gameplay video of Sonic going really fast without a problem.

  • The Summer of George

    Now, you youngsters are speaking my language. Fuck Sonic, indeed! Fucking red-shoed fraud.

    HOWEVER, Crash Bandicoot 1-3 kicked Sonic’s unplayable blue ass all to Hell and back again. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise!

    Also… “AAAARRGGHH!!” Fix your painfully-uneven audio levels, you hacks!!!!!

    Oh, and thanks for the free entertainment.

  • The Summer of George

    I’d through Coleco Vision into that mix, as well. However, I wouldn’t quite call it a “war”. More of a polite quarrel, at best.

  • tommaile

    As I recall it. It was Atari VCS/2600 vs. Intellivision.

    That’s around 1979-81.

    Then later Atari 5200 vs. ColecoVision.

    That’s 1982-83.

    Intellivision was out at that point.

    One could maybe make a case that the Magnavox Odyssey was competing with the Atari VCS (later named the 2600), but that “competition” wasn’t nearly as sharply delineated as Atari vs. Mattel.

    The 2600 vs. Intellivision featured an aggressive and pervasive television, print, and radio campaign which made it totally unambiguous that both were competing head to head.

    To nerds back in the day, Atari vs. Intellivision was as sharply divisive as Marvel vs. DC, Apple vs. Android.

    I was an Atari man, for the record.

    I owned the VCS, 2600, 5200, and ColecoVision. Never owned an Intellivision, though it was a great system. The thing that sold the 5200 was arcade perfect ports of Centipede, Joust, Dig Dug, and Ms. Pac-Man. But the system selling games for the ColecoVision were Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. Those were huge to game nerds back in the day.

    Lurking at the periphery of all this was the Vectrex, which was the Steel Battalion cockpit controller of its day. Every nerd knew about it and desired it, but few actually purchased it.

  • KoalaJohnson

    You’re just playing it wrong.

    I’m sure this point has been hammered into the ground already (scrolling down, I see Nathan Evans makes this point) but seriously guys: SPIN DASH. That’s how you plow through the fast sections. Press down and tap A a few times to build up speed and release, or simply press down while you’re running to go into spin dash mode. It’s an essential element of the gameplay, and one of only three moves Sonic can even do. That’s why you were having such trouble. You were playing it wrong.

    I loved these games, especially 2, 3, and Sonic and Knuckles. The reason it was fun and not just “gimmicky” was the push-pull BETWEEN high-speed sections and slow, methodical searching. You would run through an area at high-speed, but if you played a level enough or had an eagle eye, you would spot the clues that lead to secret areas full of goodies like ring portals to chaos emeralds, extra lives and so-forth. A suspicious rock or a breakable wall with a window revealing something behind it. If you timed your jumps off of the high speed sections just right, you could reach areas that were only accessible when you went at high speeds, enhancing the speed element integration. It was a fun, fast ride and a treasure hunt at the same time. Loved the labyrinth-like maps as well, and the fact that there were so many different paths you could take to get to the end.

    Love the vids guys, but maybe read the manual before playing hours of multiple classic Sonic games the wrong way and then recording yourself playing it incorrectly to build a case against them.

    This is the most worked up I’ve ever gotten watching a review video on the internet. And that’s sad.

  • Painted Pagliacci Of Perfidy

    I like Pre-Rec. A lot, actually. Mostly for the live Twitch stuff. You can heckle them so bad live in the comments, it’s great. They spend every single episode just trying to get into the game or learn the basic button configuration. Just like most of the comments here are like “you could have used spin dash”, most of the live Twitch comments are “PRESS ‘UP’ YOU STUPID FUCKERS! UUUUPPP!!!”

    I have a feeling they’re trolling by being bad at the games and it’s a hoot.

  • The Summer of George

    Coleco was definitely in the mix. I hail from that era, as well, and recall many a lunchroom debate on the subject. Good lord, that Donkey Kong was UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

    Even with its head start, the Odyssey was too fringe at the time to compete against the VCS. Hardly anyone owned one (nobody I knew, at least), let alone knew of its existence.

    However, by today’s cutthroat marketing shenanigans, the Atari / Mattel war was gentle, by comparison.

    I, myself, was lucky enough to own both a 2600 and Intellivision (perks of being a child of divorced and guilt-ridden parents, I suppose), and later a 5200, which I wanted to adore more than anything but ultimately broke my early teen heart due to it being saddled with the WORST CONTROLLER IN HISTORY!! Seriously… who designs a joystick the doesn’t automatically recenter itself?????

    This unforgivable engineering flaw rendered nearly every game for the system unplayable.

    Hopefully, someone went to prison for that crime against humanity.

  • Guest

    ….

  • Matthew Banes

    All this video needs is someone going “Didn’t they TEST this game before releasing it?!” and it would be a pretty good parody of bad game reviewers.

  • The Summer of George

    Anyone know the secret to getting images to appear in comments?

  • Wintericecrystal

    Sonic games had exactly the same strengths (graphics, sound, playability) and flaws (too easy) that the people who reviewed it back in the day said it had.
    Overrated? No.

  • sbf2009

    Two old men who suck at video games complaining that they don’t know how to use the up and down arrows on a d-pad. It would help if your reaction times didn’t resemble that of a developmentally disabled octogenarian. You guys are fun when you review movies, please just stick with what you’re good at. If you are getting your ass kicked on the second zone of a Sonic game, it’s time to put the controller down. THese are good games, but by no means hard.

  • Jay Stein

    Nice. I had Intellivision ( it was a piece of shit), ColecoVision and a Vectrex. Those were good days…

  • tommaile

    The 5200’s controllers had issues. So, did the ColecoVision’s. The keypad’s plastic overlays would get thrashed over time. Still, I dearly loved both machines, but I’d probably give the nod to the ColecoVision. They were both pretty remarkable with great games. Those two systems were the first to bring arcade perfect ports to the home.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I’m not sure how graphic your Grover image was. I can’t find the image that omitted posted, but it was a drawn image of an anonymous dude with a bald, faceless head [I think]. On his head it had /tv/, I guess because they talk about RLM a lot over there? I don’t know. Either way, this dude was on his knees pleasuring Mike and Jay, who were sitting down. He was giving one of them oral and the other a handy.

    I’d say that’s on the minus side of your image. Not sure which two images it would fall between. I saw his post. I was home because I live at home.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I tried this. Couldn’t get it to work. I got confused at a certain step and was still confused after finding instructions and an online video to help.

  • Now I Get It

    Thanks for the analsis. And according to your comment at the time, “The Grover” was more suggestive than explicit.

    http://redlettermedia.com/best-of-the-worst-wheel-of-the-worst-4/#comment-1275293784

    P.S. Dude, your memory of events five months back is becoming as pixelated as Japanese Muppet porn. You need your own full-time, professional archivist. Entry positions start at +$25/hr. Start your own Patreon page ASAP. Don’t let what happened to Leonard Cohen happen to you.

    http://drhguy2.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/straightaheadzen-by-dom-scaled10001.jpg

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I think part of the problem was that I got Grover and Oscar the Grouch mixed up.

    That and I’ve made too many comments on RLM.

  • Firebrand

    Agree. I really don’t understand why people hate on Crash Bandicoot so much. Those games were made by Naughty Dog for christs sake.

  • Mike Jakermen

    I think the biggest Difference between Sonic and Crash Bandicoot. Was Sony didn’t even make those games. Naughty Dog were really the brains behind those games. If X-box had a mascot. It would be some guy with the gun holding up a pike with someone severed head on it. I think the only reason i don’t own a X-box 360. Is because most of the exclusives are unimaginative first person shooters. The only FPS i would want play is one where your character says “Hail to the king” all the time while shooting pig cops and throwing 5 dollar bills to strippers.

  • dirk beefhammer

    It’s like watching someone play Super Mario Bros. without them realising there’s a run button.

  • Charon

    The review could have ended with “Sonic is just a platformer”.

    Thumbs down, unsubscribed.

  • Charon

    Sanik Troll is Sanik Troll.

  • ChickenSandwich

    I completely agree. Mario still holds up as a game with perfect game mechanics. Each Mario has simply been a refinement of something which always worked. His games were built up literally pixel by pixel, everything in a Mario game is a result of putting good game design first, and always was.

    Sonic was just a reaction to Mario, a result of a Sega think-tank who wanted to outdo Mario so they came up with this ‘X-Treme’ character with an ‘attitude’. Yo. He had a few good games but they don’t hold up all that well these days but Mario’s games certainly do.

    Sonic The Hedgehog is nothing but the videogaming equivalent of Poochie.

  • Mike Jakermen

    I would not call Sonic Games Unplayable. Now Mario’s Cement Factory is almost unplayable. Its a total pain in the ass and there no way to win. Unless you got reflexes of Steel.

  • Mike Jakermen

    Here my thing about the whole Sonic vs Mario thing. The Sonic games are totally different bread of video game. Its about rushing through to the end of the level. Mario to some extent is about problem solving and learning from reparations. But there both fine games for what they are. Yeah you get hit quite a lot in sonic and lose rings. But your just suppose to pick up some more ring and keep on going. And sure Sonic was made as a Mascot. But so what. Namco has be pimping out tons of mediocre 3D games for its Mascot (aka Pacman.) And even those games are not unplayable. Im sure if Atari came up with the whole Mascot years before Nintendo. That Colecovision and Intellivision would have there Mascots out within a year. It was good business sense for sega to follow Nintendo Lead. Ive been playing Sonic Generations. And Guess what. I fine it fun. Imagine that.

  • Yezzir!

    What’s worse is their analysis of what Sonic is supposed to be. Sonic is •supposed• to feel a bit out of control. He always wants to go fast, and the player must know when to let him go, and when to hold him back. The challenge is to keep him from running wild and getting you into trouble. That’s part of what made it revolutionary compared to Mario, where you feel totally in control and everything is totally methodical.

  • Guus van Voorst

    Unlike you I like to be challenged… true, it can be annoying at times, but if you succeed its so much more rewarding than beating something with little effort… impossible, not true, hard, sure, but that’s the fun…

  • The Summer of George

    And unlike you, I like to use correct punctuation and case.

  • Guest

    Pre-Rec is starting to feel like the RLM equivalent of Poochie.

  • Freak #1

    The issue is not that Sonic sucks, it’s that you suck at Sonic. Older games require skill and patience to learn.

  • Liz Frazier

    “TAILS, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!”
    I believe that is the best line I’ve heard come out of Rich Evans’ mouth.

  • Earth

    Thank you for this video guys. I was wondering whether I really liked
    Pre-Recorded or not and this has affirmed my view that, no, I don’t.

    This video sucked. This is RedLetterMedia, the idea that there is actually a
    video on this site that sucks depresses me. Either pull this show
    together or euthanise it. It’s dragged this site down to ThatGuyWithTheGlasses level, and RLM should never be at TGWTG level.

  • The Summer of George

    Do you mean the factory level from Donkey Kong arcade? I always thought it was the easiest of the 4 stages. Check the video below at the :49 mark for further evidence.
    http://youtu.be/EEmsPOwYf70?t=49s

  • Josh

    This has to be the most painful and cringe-worthy Sonic gameplay footage I’ve ever seen. Seriously, do you even know how to roll in this game?

  • Josh

    I had more fun with Sonic 3 & Knuckles than I did with any Mario game ever, thank you.

    Btw, the level design and mechanics in Sonic’s games are great and it flows perfectly. This guy from the video is just terrible at playing it, which is obviously not the game’s fault.

  • TechnoSyndrome

    You’re free to think whatever you want of Sonic the Hedgehog, but don’t sit there with a straight face and tell me New Super Mario Bros is a good game.

  • KnickKnackMyWack

    It’s a fun game. I didn’t even blink.

  • KMD

    Why have so many people countered comments saying they didn’t like the video because of X, Y and Z by saying “don’t hate them for having an OPINION”? It’s possible to have a misinformed opinion. Especially regarding video games, which need a lot more input and time investment than watching a movie.

  • Dswynne

    These guys simply deconstructed a popular franchise, knowing full well that there will be blow-back. For that alone, I give this video a positive review. Good job, guys!

  • Matthew Warnick

    Hahah, whatever. Just because I hate Sonic doesn’t mean I’m a nintendo fan boy. I’m sure the Samas profile pic doesn’t help to deter that though.

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  • John Doebody

    I totally respect their opinion on the series, but anyone who has played Sonic one and is any good knows that you HAVE to use Sonics spin roll when going fast instead of just running straight. That you learn in like two tries. I did at least. A must in the first one when Sonic did not have his signature burnout spin.

  • Robert Overstreet

    “HOWEVER” You do?

  • The Summer of George

    Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

    The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

    *Chapter and section headings.
    *Newspaper headlines.
    *Publication titles.
    *Warning messages.
    *Word of important meaning.

    Also, what you meant to write was: “HOWEVER”. You do?

    It’s fun to learn, right?

  • Robert Overstreet

    I am not the one that claimed to use correct punctuation and case while failing to do so. Sorry you screwed up on the internet.

  • The Summer of George

    Since you didn’t read my previous reply, I’ll go ahead and re-post it for you, free of charge!

    Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

    The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

    *Chapter and section headings.
    *Newspaper headlines.
    *Publication titles.
    *Warning messages.
    *Word of important meaning.

    Be well and best of luck to you, madam.

  • Robert Overstreet

    There is no need to be angry. Many people get on the internet and incorrectly capitalize words. You just made a mistake calling someone else out while your post was also incorrect.

  • The Summer of George

    Again…

    Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

    The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

    *Chapter and section headings.
    *Newspaper headlines.
    *Publication titles.
    *Warning messages.
    *Word of important meaning.

  • Robert Overstreet

    Again you fail to simply admit your mistake.

  • The Summer of George

    I see. Well, if that’s the game we’re playing:

    Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among italics and bold text. They are used to denote a louder, almost shouting (and in many cases, actually shouting) pronunciation.

    The house styles of many publishers in the United States use capitalization or all-uppercase letters to emphasize:

    *Chapter and section headings.
    *Newspaper headlines.
    *Publication titles.
    *Warning messages.
    * Word of important meaning .

    Like your dad said to your uncle: “I can keep this up all night”.

  • Robert Overstreet

    My pride. I must defend my posting career. I was called out on the internet and have no defense. Somehow I must hide my mistake.

  • The Summer of George

    There’s no defending needed here. I’m right. You’re wrong. I’ve shown you well-expressed proof of that fact but, for some reason, you refuse to acknowledge the proof.

    So, unless you can prove otherwise, troll somewhere else.

  • Robert Overstreet

    Yet here you are defending your mistake.

  • http://www.compendiumofchaos.com/ Eugene

    You realize the eventually *did* make a new Duke Nukem game right? And it was terrible?

  • http://www.compendiumofchaos.com/ Eugene

    Funny you should mention that. You can actually get all the way to world 8 in the original Super Mario Bros without knowing there’s a run button. It’s one of the only design flaws of the game.

  • The Summer of George

    Again, prove me wrong or kindly fudge off.

  • Robert Overstreet

    Your mistake is clear for all to see.

    Never forget “HOWEVER” 2014.

  • The Summer of George

    As predicted, you have nothing.

    Thanks for all the trolling.

  • Robert Overstreet

    You have a mistake.

  • dudebro

    “WHY CAN’T I HOLD RIGHT TO WIN? OMG SONIC SUCKS OVERRATED GARBAGE WAH WAH WAH”

    This video in a nutshell.

  • Stephen Grillo

    The audio in this episode is terrible.

  • Guest

    Yeah, we’re all still recovering from the bombshell that two thirty-year old’s can’t figure out how to play sonic the fucking hedgehog….

  • Liz Frazier

    Rich Evans: “Everyone knows we’re pretending…It’s a thing.”
    Me: I didn’t know! PRE-REC RUINED MY CHILDHOOD!!!!”

  • Eric Breaux

    Sega, for whatever mysterious reason, ONLY advertises Sonic, a series that isn’t even worth crap compared to the quality of their rpgs, action games, etc. It’s one of the greatest mysteries in history what Sega could possibly see in Sonic that they deem more worthy of recognition than just about every other game they work on, which makes one wonder why they even bother making other games if their hell bent on making sure only one gets enough marketing to get it noticed and make a profit from it. Meanwhile Sega’s gaining laughably low sales on all their other series (many of which they’ve been leaving dormant [some for years now] completely pushing away potential sales and popularity for them…because they can I guess) and then they complain about low sales like they expect people to just magically know about their other games, when they only market freaking Sonic. And then there’s the problem of them half assing sequels to classics or letting people not even from Sega work on them, almost like they’re in a rush to just get another game out of the way so they can hurry and get back to the oh so brilliant masterpiece that is (definitely not) Sonic. While Capcom screws over their mascot, Sega screws over most of what makes them a developer in the first place. At least Sega actually markets most of their games in their native country of Japan, but that can only go so far in terms of establishing a worldwide fanbase and at least as much profit from it. And it seriously makes no sense that the foreign divisions of the main Japanese corporation ever bothered making their own games. It ain’t Sega unless it’s internally developed from the country where they established what Sega is today.

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  • Sully

    Maybe this version would’ve been more your… speed (pun definitely intended).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNEZ4WWQIk

  • Guest

    Before Sega made Sonic they already had franchises with potential mascots, like Shinobi, Golden Axe and Phantasy Star. Sega didn’t need to make a platformer to compete with Mario, all they had to do was actually market the games they ALREADY MADE. Once Sonic came on the scene Sega suddenly forgot to advertise their other ips as much as they did with their overrated marketing ploy.

  • http://Sholms.deviantart.com Steven Robert Holmes

    I understand their frustration with certain level traps and hazards
    however Sonic was not meant to be beaten in a single sitting. You had to
    play it many times to learn the layout of the levels and know when to
    go fast and when to stop, jump, or proceed with caution. This sort of
    trial and error structure was intentional and a common staple for both
    sega and nintendo games of that era. I believe this review really boils
    down to preference

  • Иван Феоктистов

    So you are required to memorize the game?

  • http://Sholms.deviantart.com Steven Robert Holmes

    Essentially, yes, however this is not as difficult as it sounds because enemies appear in the same places every time making them very predictable and levels all contain recognizable landmarks to give you and idea of where you are. Someone who’s good at the game can beat it in less than an hour.

  • Kyle

    That’s what people do with levels of first-person shooters. They learn where all the guns and vantage points are so they can easily beat people who are playing for the first time.

  • Kyle

    I see what you’re saying, but I think there’s a pretty big difference between Sonic and Mario. It’s more than just “You need to memorize the levels in Sonic.” Sonic is poorly designed. And I think Mario lends itself more to being beaten in a single sitting, if you’re a skilled gamer.

  • Kyle

    Building off of your two major criticisms of Sonic…

    Not only does going fast kill you in a game sold on the idea of going fast, everything seems designed to slow you down. Running up slopes is excruciating, like you said. But using your spin attack can also make you stop. Jumping can slow you down. Trying to jump off of slopes gets real weird, which you have to do a lot. There are fans and other obstacles that slow you to a stop. And of course the level design, which often suggests going fast, can actually just contribute to slowing you down, like when you have to change directions over and over again. And sometimes it just brings you to a stop and makes you wait for the level to move around you. And then there’s all the times you’re just waiting around while riding a slowly moving platform.

    And the level design is even worse than you gave it credit for, because the levels often repeat themselves in the same zone, and sometimes even in the same level. You’ll be going through some sequence of slopes and enemies and obstacles and you’ll get a feeling of deja vu, because the design has been reused.

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