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  • Choda Boy

    Something that REALLY bothered me when I saw this flick in the theater is how the first time (pre-nexus) Picard tries to stop the rocket, it is a beautiful cloudless sunny day.  The second time (post-nexus) he tries to stop the rocket — having returned minutes before the launch — it is a cloudy day with some rainclouds.  WTF?  I realize the sequences were filmed on different days, but it REALLY kills the suspension of disbelief.  At least the shots for each sequence wasn’t a mix of the two days — clear, cloudy, clear. cloudy…

  • Nandroid

    Pretty awesome review.  It’s great to see someone pick apart the minutia of a sci-fi and expose all of the plot holes.  However I have a gripe about his gripe on the Sauron Sun Rocket Thingy.  

    If the rocket had warp capability then it could easily reach the sun the very instant it left the atmosphere.  We know this kind of technology is possible in the Star Trek universe because shuttlecraft routinely move around in a planet’s atmosphere at sublight speeds but they can also kick it into warp drive to travel between stars.  So maybe the rocket did this too.

    However if it takes light from the star about 8 minutes to reach the planet/moon or whatever then after the rocket hit the star, Picard and Sauron wouldn’t see the sun go dark for at least another 8 minutes.  Maybe the film makers thought it would be pretty boring to have them stand around and talk for another 8 minutes or so, or that audiences would get confused if Sauron said the sun had already exploded and yet the sun looked normal because the light of it exploding hadn’t reached their eyes yet.

    Then again, maybe the rocket was traveling at like warp 6 or something faster than the speed of light, in which case from the perspective of Picard, the rocket would arrive at its destination before it left.  WTF?  And maybe the rocket was traveling at a warp speed fast enough that it arrived at the sun about 8 or 10 minutes before it left, and then the light from the sun exploding traveled to the moon’s surface so that Picard and Sauron could witness it at around the same time that the rocket left the atmosphere and jumped into warp.  Perhaps the film makers unwittingly made the scene appear exactly as it would have if such ridiculous technologies were possible.

    Thing is, Star Trek has never addressed all the time dilation weirdness of traveling at many multiples of the speed of light or many other things.  They zip around the galaxy and materialize food out of thin air and instantly teleport people back and forth and have emotional androids.  Star Trek technology IS MAGIC!  We just accept that it works somehow.  So if someone says they have a tricorder than can observe tachions we just believe it and move on.  Similarly, if a guy named Sauron has a rocket that he says can blow up a star, it doesn’t really make sense to analyze how the rocket works.  IT JUST WORKS SOMEHOW!  If you really analyze it none of it is possible.  

    Having said that, the review was awesome and spot on about windows breaking and Picard just tossing the ceramic thing aside and stuff like that.

      

  • SirHenry

    Not trying to split hairs at all, but they didn’t even reuse a special effect, they just reused a shot. It’s worse isn’t it?

  • SirHenry

    Why does Sauron have to blow up a sun to get into the nexus? He can’t fly in a ship? Kirk didn’t have to kill everyone in a galaxy to get into the Nexus.

  • http://profiles.google.com/charlesp2009 Charles Petrosky

    Sure, in this day and age that’s fine but in the 24th century with replicators and all it’d be an easy matter to tell the crew to switch to the new uniforms on Stardate 48632.4 and swap them out before reporting for duty that day. ;-)

  • http://profiles.google.com/charlesp2009 Charles Petrosky

    I’d ask Data to create a new painting to put in the frame. :-)

  • http://twitter.com/Pallister55 Thomas Davies

    I have to jump in here: time dilation doesn’t happen in Star Trek because warp drive utilizes subspace fields, which create a ‘bubble’ around the ship that basically negates the physical effects of travelling faster than light. You’re quite right though, Soran’s rocket could well have been fitted wth a small warp drive. Even photon torpedoes can travel at warp velocities when they need to. I’d imagine the rocket had metaphasic shielding (well-established in TNG) to allow it to enter the sun.

    As to your second point, yes, Star Trek is silly and it always has been. This is something the most dedicated fans have a big problem coming to terms with, but it’s true. Star Trek has always tried to be more than the sum of its parts, to offer entertainment that isn’t frivolous and throw-away, storytelling that engages the intellect as well as the emotions. But at the same time, it actually never took itself all that seriously, its raison d’etre was fun as much as anything. The biggest irony of all is that Gene Roddenberry had forgotten this by the 1970’s, and his vision of Trek bacame worthy and po-faced- see “The Motion Picture” and most of the first two seasons of TNG. Since he died in ’91, the question of what is and is not ‘real’ Star Trek has been a hugely vexed one, for the series’ fans and creators alike.

    Oh, one last thing, my take on the Kurlan naiskos issue: I reckon that after “The Chase”, Picard decided it was far too valuable and important to keep for himself and gave it to one of the Federation museums. The one we see in his ready room is a replicator facsimile based on scans of the real thing. Hence why he discards it so casually, he can easily make another one.

  • bananna hammock

    Brilliant! Now god is in his place, and all is right with the world!

  • bananna hammock

    Temporal prime directive. Not that the filmmakers knew, or were even interested.

  • crazyguy

    Can anyone tell me where that footage at the very end is from? The scenes where Brent Spiner and McFadden are interviewed. I can’t find them on youtube, but they are from the premiere of Generations, taking her dress into account. Can anyone tell me where it is from?

    Thank you in advance.

  • Popo

    First woman to pilot the ship. Crashes. Never let women drive

  • Dan

    I was about to complain about the commercials, but then I remembered all of the laughs I’ve gotten from these reviews. I hope you’re making some dough off these spots. You deserve it. I’m certainly not contributing, but I fuckin’ love your work!

  • Graphite

    “Yep … I’m complainin’ about this” needs to come back in future Plinkett reviews.

  • Scott B. Smith

    Right, that’s what I was getting at as part of the moral dilemma. Wrestling with the Prime Directive (Temporal or Regular) has made for some great “Star Trek” drama. Why not use that here?
    Is going back 10 minutes in time to stop Soran on the planet any less a violation of the Directive than going back a few days to stop him and save your family too? Another great ethical question for Picard to work through, in my opinion.

  • The_Stig

    Picard should have just activated….. *dramatic beat* The Omega 13.

  • DoNotTread73

    Why i refuse to watch the new one. Temporal Police, seen MANY times in Voyager would go pick up spock and say nope your not making this BIG an alteration and letting Vulcan get blown up by a crazy guy. The thing is all ‘natura’l events are still going to happen in the new lets follow spock and ignore the other star trek universe still going on. Romulus’s sun is still going to go nova in the new timeline in 80+- years.

  • Dave

    Love your reviews Mr. Plinkett, a slight point of reference however, more a question though. Isn’t a Class M planet simply one with Earth like conditions on it? Which would put it in the “Goldilocks Zone” of a star system. Now if for example that were a much weaker star than our sun it would be much closer to the sun in order to still be in the goldilocks zone. I know its not shown or explained at all in the movie. But I don’t think that a Class M planet means that it is exactly like Earth and exactly as far from our their sun as we are from ours.

  • proghead777

    One of the funniest things about about these comments is that most people continue to refer to Soran as Sauron. XD

  • proghead777

    *puts on nerd hat* I’d like to point out that warp 1 IS the speed of light. The scale then progresses exponentially. So warp 2 is, say, 10 times the speed of light and warp 6 is something like 400 times the speed of light. Warp 9 would be well over 1,000 times the speed of light. If time dilation occurred in Star Trek warp travel, the Enterprise might find that humans had not yet evolved when they returned to Earth after a short trip. So your conclusion that the sun going instantly dark was not realistic is absolutely correct.

    You’re also correct that Star Trek is not and has never been “hard” science fiction. It’s actually science fantasy. Some people think of Star Wars when they hear the latter term but Star Wars is actually just plain fantasy dressed up as science fiction. Avatar, of all things, is actually a recent example of so-called hard science fiction. It’s always been a little surprising to me that a lot of sci-fi geeks didn’t seem to pick up on that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Lobosco/661521161 Joseph Lobosco

    I love it!!!!

  • Daniel Lee

    Guinan would have gone with Picard if he was black

  • General Grievance

    Hahaha, the interview with the chick halfway in.
    “I finally get to do something I’ve never done before.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Lobosco/661521161 Joseph Lobosco

    This is hilarious!!!!!! Sad but very very true!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Webb/1405341955 Chris Webb

    Plasma coil, plasma coil, plasma coil, plasma coil, plasma coil

  • ghost

    “then they posed for a picture nobody took” LMAO already in the beggining.

  • olik

    Wow, when did make this? It seems soooo lifeless, amateurish compared to the other Plinkett reviews.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    Yeah, when I saw the movie, I was like, “wait, if this isn’t real for Kirk, what makes them changing anything anymore real?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    Well the problem here is Sauron hadn’t done anything yet. What would they arrest him for?

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    Can something that small have warp capacity?

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    How is avatar hard science fiction? Science fiction implies exploring of technology. The only thing that separates the science in Avatar in from that of star wars is the traditional guns and look. To get to a planet so far away, they must have warp, too? It’s just dressed differently. Star Trek is definitely more Sci-Fi than Avatar, give me a break.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    I think it’s more like “we need money”…

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    This was his first one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    Plus money is pointless in Star Trek Generations. They don’t get paid…

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    If that were the case then Picard would at least look sad, and probably have more of a reason to save it. “Worthless” in a historical perspective has nothing to do with a money value. It would still be important…

  • http://profiles.google.com/charlesp2009 Charles Petrosky

    Indeed. The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force of their lives. They work to better themselves and the rest of humanity.

  • fuck
  • proghead777

    But it took over six years to reach a planet that was only 4.4 light years from Earth. So, sublight travel. Next gripe?

  • http://www.facebook.com/cyberaktif Anna Śmieja

    erm, several female crew members have piloted the ship throughout the series.

  • Ulexar

    Wait, so in Avatar they travel at about 73% of light-speed and that is to be considered realistic (or ‘hard’, as the case may be)? If they can travel that fast, shouldn’t all the other technology be significantly more advanced than what is shown if they can travel that fast?

  • William Shakesman

    Fail. Complete fail.

  • IamSMERT

    Kirk ends up in the Nexus inadvertently. But since Sauran is a badguy, he has to destroy a sun. Don’t they have spaceships in Star Trek?

  • proghead777

    You mean like giant mech suits? Or technology that allows you to remotely inhabit the body of a genetically engineered alien/human hybrid?

    There are a few things in the movie that have a questionable scientific basis. For example, that aliens in another star system evolved into humanoids. Usually a hard sci-fi no-no, but at the same time, there’s no hard scientific argument that it’s impossible either. You rarely hear that as a criticism of the aliens in Avatar though. It’s usually something along the lines of “huhuhuhuhuh, they’re blue cat people. Huhuhuuh.”

    Another would be the floating mountains. But if you concede that a room temperature superconducting mineral/element (the “unobtainium”) could exist and that that material might be found in large, mountain-sized chunks, then on a planet with an extremely powerful magnetic field those large chunks of superconducting minerals might very well float. It’s called magnetic levitation and it’s real.

  • proghead777

    I’d like to hear Mr. Plinkett review these retarded commercials that play before and after all of his videos. Right now, it’s military commercials talking about how if I’ll risk my fucking life and murder people for oil, I’ll be a, I dunno, a better person or some shit. And so on. Clearly, Baby’s Day Out and Cop Dog are far more believable and engaging stories than this bullshit. Hell, The Phantom Menace looks like Casablanca in comparison.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.buncic Michael Buncic

    After watching this for the first time last week, I came away with some broader points.

    We spent nearly 45 minutes on the Emotions Chip subplot. Data didn’t know if he wanted it, didn’t know if it would cause problems, didn’t know if it would fuse his positronic brain matrix. Then he puts it in, it fuses his brain and becomes unremovable. He goes on to make a lot of annoying jokes, annoying laughs, get angry, get afraid, and piss people off. You would almost think this was going to lead into something cool at the end, where Data makes some sort of emotional decision that helps people, giving him the chance to redeem himself. But that moment never comes. We don’t even see Data for the rest of the movie, and he ties the entire matter up with a one-liner about how he is not going to let his emotions control him anymore. So I guess while Picard was saving the world, Data was reading some sort of self-help book.

    This could have given him the opportunity to decide whether or not to keep the emotions chip plugged in. But it didn’t, because the chip was fused. If it hadn’t been fused, he could have made that decision, and regardless of which choice he made, it would reflect on his character as an evolution, as a growth of his character. This dynamic was stripped away for no good reason.

    This ties in to my main observation: What is this movie about? I’ll tell you what it COULD have been about (but wasn’t).

    It could have been about Data struggling to deal with his emotions. (It wasn’t)
    It could have been about Picard’s struggle to convince Kirk to leave the Nexus (It wasn’t)
    It could have been about culture shock – Old Federation meets New Federation (It wasn’t)
    It could have been about personality clash – Kirk wants to do things his way, Picard wants to do things his way, they disagree and they argue about it. Maybe even fight a little. (It wasn’t)

    The only conclusion I can draw is that this movie really wasn’t about anything. I was an hour in and we still didn’t even know what the main plot was supposed to be. We wasted so much time on Data and his emotions that there wasn’t any time left to dedicate to the scenes that could have made this a decent movie.

  • Klappa

    ??

  • Tim

    The problem with that is any statement claiming to explain a scene that includes “could” isn’t an explanation, it’s an excuse. If they wanted people to think the sun thingy had warp drive they should have said so.

    They mainly just didn’t give a shit.

  • Michael Pomeroy

    dude, they left the nexus on horseback. Jesus! try and keep up bro

  • Paul Johnson

    I never understood that either, considering the first time he got into the Nexus was on a ship

  • Stonewall

    The only thing about that whole rocket thing that -could- of made it plausible is the type of star the system had, and the planet’s distance. If the planet was orbiting say, a class M Red Dwarf at a very close distance, the rocket wouldn’t of had to traveled very far (But still more than a few seconds). But, they fuck that up in the scene with Data and Picard in Stellar Cartography for a few reasons. First, in that scene you see that the Veridian system’s sun is yellow in color, which could only suggest it a class G or K type Main Sequence Star, and class K type stars are even cooler than our Sun. This presents a problem, as Veridian III is the third planet from it’s host sun, BUT, they then claim Veridian IV supports a pre-industrial humanoid society, and is a garden world. Given the system’s star being either G or K class, the only way that planet would be able to retain sufficient heat is if it had a heavy greenhouse type atmosphere. But putting all that aside, if the star went out, they still wouldn’t of noticed it for minutes. In Earth’s case, if our sun suddenly decided to shut itself off, we’d never know it for 8 minutes. So the part when the rocket hits and the star immediately goes dark is just garbage. For a quick example, let’s just assume we could travel faster than light. If a star went supernova 30 years ago, if you traveled 31 light years away from that point, you’d still be able to see that star. They just take every bit of hard science in this movie and throw it out the window, which doesn’t follow the way Star Trek tries to stay true to modern science facts.

  • Stonewall

    The only thing about that whole rocket thing that -could- of made it plausible is the type of star the system had, and the planet’s distance. If the planet was orbiting say, a class M Red Dwarf at a very close distance, the rocket wouldn’t of had to traveled very far (But still more than a few seconds). But, they fuck that up in the scene with Data and Picard in Stellar Cartography for a few reasons. First, in that scene you see that the Veridian system’s sun is yellow in color, which could only suggest it a class G or K type Main Sequence Star, and class K type stars are even cooler than our Sun. This presents a problem, as Veridian III is the third planet from it’s host sun, BUT, they then claim Veridian IV supports a pre-industrial humanoid society, and is a garden world. Given the system’s star being either G or K class, the only way that planet would be able to retain sufficient heat is if it had a heavy greenhouse type atmosphere. But putting all that aside, if the star went out, they still wouldn’t of noticed it for minutes. In Earth’s case, if our sun suddenly decided to shut itself off, we’d never know it for 8 minutes. So the part when the rocket hits and the star immediately goes dark is just garbage. For a quick example, let’s just assume we could travel faster than light. If a star went supernova 30 years ago, if you traveled 31 light years away from that point, you’d still be able to see that star. They just take every bit of hard science in this movie and throw it out the window, which doesn’t follow the way Star Trek tries to stay true to modern science facts.

  • Stonewall

    I don’t know why this posted as guest and not under my username >_>

  • Sir Fapsalot

    Anyone notice that the title for this review in the Plinkett Chronological Timeline is spelled wrong?

  • Rick Berman

    Hey I think that i did a good job on the star trek films!

  • Jason

    Why couldn’t sauron Just take a shuttle and an EVA suit and park the shuttle in the path of the nexus and then just go on an EVA and wait there for it? Why did he have to blow up a star, killing billions just to move the nexus a bit so it would hit the planet at just the right moment for it to pick him up? An EVA suit wouldn’t work? Just curious as this is LAZY FUCKING WRITING!!! He could have even got Federation funding as an experiment to put a human inside the nexus and then tell everyone he would return and give everyone the data and then go in the nexus and it’s like “fuck you asshole! I’m staying here” except they wouldn’t hear him because he’s in the fucking nexus! The nexus takes James fucking Kirk and nearly destroys the enterprise B with its bitch of a captain and they just decide to forget the nexus did anything and then let it go without even warning anyone or any planet in its path?

  • Rick Berman

    Fuck me! people want star trek to have a good story?!? Not just mindless action! I’m sorry for ruining everything and everyone and most of all star trek.can you forgive me?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.wilson.9041 Joshua Wilson

    If you ever did a “review” of Enterprise, you’ll have NOTHING but material. Omg, would it be so good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Philip-Harris/676608860 Philip Harris

    All sci fi is stupid. Thats what makes it so fun.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Philip-Harris/676608860 Philip Harris

    Explain how is this ”amateurish” exactly? because he has no music or because he isn’t throwing in a ”psycho Plinkett” joke every two minutes?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Philip-Harris/676608860 Philip Harris

    Get fucking Firefox and install adblock dick

  • Rick Berman

    Your reviews are good.

  • Jim Stevens

    One thing that no one has posted: Riker says they’ll have “two seconds of vulnerability” after the Bird of Prey starts to cloak and orders a full spread of torpedoes. But when it comes time, they only fire one torpedo and it’s probably ten seconds or more before the torpedo hits (all the while they are just standing around waiting to be destroyed).

  • troutmaskreplica

    the communications officer in this movie is the dude who sells boots to the dude in no country for old men

  • http://www.facebook.com/vertigelt Tom Hudson

    From Galaxy Quest, a 1999 movie about a show similar to Star Trek that went off the air before they could reveal the Omega 13 device alluded to in the series cliff-hanger last episode. The washed-up actors from the show are living off royalties and guest appearances until representatives of an alien race, who’ve been getting broadcasts of the show and who think the show was real, misguidedly recruit the actors to help them fight their oppressors. Hilarity ensues.

    As it turns out, the Omega 13 device is something that allows you to go back in time 13 seconds–just long enough to correct a fatal mistake.

  • GrayGhost

    Even more irritating with this reasoning is the fact that the missile was explained to only stop nuclear reactions in a star. Mass is never affected by this, nor the gravity of the star. The point of the missile was to change the course of the Nexus (through gravity) to line up with the planet for an easy “pick up”. Did Soran even know exactly where on the planet to be or did it pick everyone up on the planet as well? There’s no real need to “save” the planets population if they all got picked up by the Nexus, right? Plinkett gets a little bit into the science here with the timing problems of the missile but leaves out this important bit about gravity. And even if the star “blew up”, The mass of the star would still be in the area and likely wouldn’t change any orbits for quite some time. Especially in the time frame of the movie. Even gravity works at the speed of light.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Burke/795393112 Daniel Burke

    No. Good sci is not stupid. That’s why B5 is better. Also, Even of the rocket could hit the sun in 1 second, the actual effect of the hit would take many minutes to appear to Picard. Gravity and light travel at the speed of… light. The effect would not be instant at all. Lazy, useless writers.

  • The Basterd

    Odo was the assassin!?!?!

  • TheMagicalHornOfGuntata

    Crusher tells Geordi she’s removed the nanoprobe. What nanoprobe?

  • http://www.facebook.com/cat.stowell Cat Stowell

    It’s always deeply bothered me that once they are inside the nexus they can be manipulated into believing whatever. gay Christmas and such. so when kirk snaps out of it so he can punch clockwork orange rapist and save the galaxverse, isn’t that all still inside the nexus? and every star trek thing after? and eventually jj Abrahams will have to cut to an old crusty sleeping kirk like at the end of super Mario bros 2? fuck this movie.

  • opaquedolphin

    The device the klingon sisters use to see through geordi’s visor eyes

  • http://thenewyawker.darkbb.com/ Congslop

    - Now review the original 6!

    – The crossover was damn awkward, but you best believe I sniffled when Kirk died’

    – I liked the lighting.

    – The movie contradicted itself about a few time with the Nexus bullshit, the concept of which is stupid as balls anyway.

    -The movie had pluses, a lot of the TNG bits were spot on, the saucer crash
    was awesome, and the final goodbye to the Enterprise between Riker and
    Picard was nice.-

    -Star Trek always reuses effects.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.stempo Stephen Stempo

    The star trek reviews are like preseason games, they were a warm up for the season.

  • ppg20

    The guy was called SAURON??!! Did they think noone ever read Lord of the Rings or what?

  • Roger Sarvis

    Fuck, you’re right. Yay!

  • Quonk

    Nah, he’s actually called “Soran”. In case you didn’t notice: The actor’s name isn’t “Malcolm McDonald” either; it’s McDowell – yup, the one from “Clockwork Orange”… never forget to take Stoklasa’s, err, of course I mean Mr, Plinkett’s reviews with a pinch of salt!

  • RMCarpenter

    Stop ruining movies!

  • Sauron’s Rocket

    You forgot one thing: The Warp Core is on the saucer part of the Enterprise, right? So why is the other part exploding and not the saucer part?

  • gen_usr

    guy. we get the joke. you can stop posting now.

  • Plonkette

    The warp core is on the back section of the ship. Thats why there are warp nacelles on it.

  • TheTravelator

    Actually, a device Soran used to stop and start Geordi’s heart in a deleted torture scene.

  • Daniel

    Even if Sauron’s ring, I mean rocket, had a warp drive, they would only see the explosion after 8min (assuming the same distance of Earth’s sun), because the light they’re seeing now has left the sun 8min ago. Nevertheless they would not freeze to death in seconds, it would take at least some hours. Actually it would be pretty similar to what happens after sunset in a desert (which seems to be where they are).

  • Mike Jakermen

    Well at least this movie was the last time Picard acted like Picard. After that he started acting like John McClane from Die Hard. I still like the speech at the end. But i find it interesting that Nemoy had enough integrity to say no to this. But not enough integrity to say no to J.J. Abrams crappy Star Trek Movies.

  • Socoral

    Well, you know, 20 years can do a lot to a bank account.

  • Q Who

    Nimoy turned down this movie because there wasn’t really anything for Spock to do in the story. “It was just sort of ‘let’s get Nimoy in here too’.” Ironic, considering he agreed to be in Into Darkness, where Spock had even less shit to do.

  • Rich

    Pretty sure the whale tank was made out of Plexiglass or whatever that factory made, but was paid for by giving him the formula for transparent Aluminium. the guy said it would take years to work out the “matrix”

  • Guest

    Wait…in the beginning, Plinkett mentions in Star Trek VI there was a scene at the end where a dude gets unmasked (“They solved a mystery that Scooby-Doo couldn’t solve”), but when I watched the movie on DVD that scene wasn’t included. Can someone explain this?

  • medicine someone fucked with

    I wonder how the conversation Picard had with the Federation went after this little incident.
    Picard: “Yeah, so we found the Nexus and stopped Saron from destroying the solar system and killing millions of people. Also, I found Captain Kirk in the Nexus and brought him out.”
    Federation: “Great work, Picard. Where is Kirk?”
    P: “Well I needed someone to help me punch Saron, so I got old man Kirk to help me. He predictably died and I buried him under some rocks.”
    F: “Why did you go down on the planet to fight Saron by yourself and why did you bring Kirk along? Why didn’t you just send down some security forces to shoot Saron and destroy his rocket? Why did you bury Kirk under some rocks?”
    P: “I don’t know…”

  • Klypto
  • Tropxe

    Go back in time to before the Temporal Prime Directive was created and stop it from ever being put into law. That’ll teach ‘em.

  • Naudious

    They should have had Captain Kirk meet Worf. It would have been interesting to see how Kirk would react to the Klingon – Federation Alliance, and that a Klingon serves on a future USS Enterprise

  • James Cushman

    It’s from the Director’s Cut of the film.

  • GotChewZ

    F*ck you, Rick Callum!!!

  • Plasma Coils

    I actually kinda like this one purely because it felt more TNG than the rest of the films did. It had the Enterprise-D, (some of) the uniforms from the TV show, and Picard didn’t act like John Rambo. I agree with the points he made, especially the awkward partial original crew (godammit, Chekov and Scotty? That’s all you could get? Fuck, shoulda just had only Kirk), and the uniforms issue. However, there were also some quality scenes, like Picard’s speech at the end, and as painful as it was to watch, I did like the saucer crash (so what if the windows broke? Happened in literally the blink of an eye).

  • Alex Lee

    It’s amazing how the aliens are able to make a device without knowing what it does.

  • Alex Lee

    Ro Laren being the most famous one.

  • Alex Lee

    It’s probably more like the director deciding that it would look better action-wise. Waiting around to see an explosion would feel pretty awkward.

    Picard: “So, you’ve succeeded…”
    Soran: “Essentially. In eight more minutes, the nova is now inevitable.”
    Picard: “Right. Ummm, how’s the weather?”

  • Alex Lee

    Avatar has Unobtainum. That’s not on the periodic chart, and I wouldn’t call that hard sci-fi.

  • Alex Lee

    But he’s still a wealthy man because he donated quite a bit to the Griffith Observatory and they named an auditorium after him.

  • Tom Hudson

    Well, all of it surpasses plausibility. But, yes, beyond the usual suspension of disbelief, this particular paradox you mention has always amused me in the film.

  • Taft you FUCK

    Not sure I ever understood the issue with the uniforms? The TNG cast wears the TNG uniforms (did DS9 already have the updated unis that the TNG crew wore in First Contact?). And Kirk and his buddies wore uniforms fit for that era, well before TNG. I could be wrong, though.

  • Plasma Coils

    The issue is that certain characters switch between the TNG uniforms and the DS9 uniforms throughout the movie, which creates an inconsistency. I looked into this further, and apparently they had a new uniform design for Generations, but at the last minute they decided to scrap them, hence the use of DS9 uniforms. I think it was either Brent Spiner or Levar Burton who had to borrow an outfit from a DS9 cast member, and it didn’t quite fit them. Oh, and yes the DS9 crew did have the First Contact uniforms in the later half of the show.

  • Worf

    Who are you to complain about my little flashlight?!?! I’ll have you know it is a little flashlight of honor for Kilingons!!! To question when a warrior takes it out or where he is gonna shine it on is an insult!

  • Star Tracks of My Tears

    Isn’t there an episode of TNG where Scotty has preserved himself in a transporter beam, while stranded on a ship, and when he’s ‘revived’ a couple of hundred years later (by Geordie in the TNG Enterprise) his asks Which ship am I on?, and is like ‘I knew Captain Kirk would save me?’ when Geordie tells him he’s on the Enterprise. But Scotty watched Kirk ‘die’ on the Enterprise B (and retire before then). Did I imagine that TNG epsiode?, is it another fuck up?

    Oh, Wait. Star Trek 2009, none of it happened anyway.

  • Dutch

    No, you’re right. Scotty’s lines were meant for Spock, I think. But Nimoy said “Fuck no” to being in it, so they replaced him with Scotty. Oh well, at least James Doohan made more retirement money, so he won a little.

  • Alex Lee

    Yes, the episode is called “Relics.” It’s an endearing episode, actually.

  • Baku’d in the Baku

    James Doohan always wins. He stormed Normandy Beach on D-Day, killed two snipers and led his men to the bunkers on the high ground, capturing the positions and making the beachhead safe for further landings.

    Then in Star Trek V he says he knows the Enterprise like the back of his hand, turns round and hits his head and falls down.

  • Star Tracks of My Tears

    Thanks, I knew I wasn’t crazy.

    Just… ‘special’.

    Seriously though, thank you, I thought I’d imagined that gratuitous continuity fuck up. Should have known better though, its a TNG movie.

  • Alex Lee

    Or it could be like nurse’s uniforms, where they can wear different colors provided it still fits the regs. It’s not like Starfleet is exactly a military,

  • Alex Lee

    I guess so. I definitely remember someone saying “It’s Colonel West.”

  • Alex Lee

    I think that Generations suffered from a case of being worked at the same time as Season 7, because no one knew which would be the better finale: Generations or All Good Things. This weird combination of work is probably why it felt like a two part episode and why they didn’t keep track of continuity; their minds couldn’t quite make that shift from TV to Movie to TV again+everyone is tired.

  • Kyle Zober

    In my honest opinion, Generations was the biggest disappointment of the franchise. When I first heard the concept, I immediately thought that it was gonna be awesome. However, I finished the film feeling empty and somewhat mad.

    Generations to me feels like a bad fan-fiction that Rick Berman found and slapped it together with two unnecessary and eye-rolling subplots, as well as one of the biggest plot-holes in cinematic history. It could have been good, it really could have. It had an interesting villian, and I did like the sequence with the ship crashing. However, this just set the stage for three more bad Trek films.

    If they really wanted to include Kirk, then they should have put him in the finale All Good Things, and they could have fit him in. Instead, we had a bad transition, and the pointless killing off of Captain Kirk.

  • jedidethfreak

    Verizon video ad (attacking AT&T), with an AT&T banner ad underneath.

    Nice.

  • Gregory Roth

    Trilithium is a waste product of the warp engines, mentioned in the episode “Starship mine” There wasn’t anything experimental or secret about it, this movie is just re-using a star trekkie sounding word for a new purpose.

  • Alex Lee

    Yes, but the Enterprise has FTL, and even full impulse is 1/4 the speed of light, so it’s not such a big deal for that ship to get around the Solar system.

  • Alex Lee

    Now that he pointed it out, they really should have taken Kirk’s body. It’s not like Scotty isn’t alive in TNG.

  • ident

    Have you seen V?

  • ident

    But, sadly, not actually born in Scotland.

  • Kyle Zober

    If by V, you mean Final Frontier, then yes. Final Frontier is my least favorite of all 12. With Generations being a close second.

    Personally, I like to think of The Final Frontier as a fever induced delirium that Captain Kirk experienced after the events of The Voyage Home.

  • ident

    You don’t need to take them with a pinch of salt, that would imply he is incorrect or misleading. Just be aware he hyperbolizes a lot and some of the humor is targeted at Plinkett himself (i.e. Plinkett screwing up the names because he’s a fucking moron).

  • ident

    The remainder of his career.

  • Stoshy

    You saw that too?
    LoL

  • Scott B. Smith

    Hadn’t Soran already blown up one star as a test when Picard met him on the “Enterprise?” If so, they could arrest him for that.

    Forgive me if I’m misremembering. It’s been a while since I watched this travesty.

  • http://www.scream-movie.net/ Charles Petrosky

    Because he couldn’t get into the Nexus, Soran is now doomed for all eternity to appear in Sprint commercials alongside James Earl Jones. Can you really blame him now for trying to blow up those stars? (And giving Picard a whoopin’?)

  • JWarblerMadman

    What is it with Ricks?

  • Marvin Falz

    When Marina Sirtis talks about her never before done task of driving the ship she looks bored. She looks like so many other actresses and actors during interview parts which RLM edit into their works. Probably another sign that all those movies are garbage made for intellectual and spiritual numb people, in other words made for idiots who’re in for the spectacle. (I can hear Mr.Plinkett in my head shouting at me: “come up with something new!”)

  • Thanatos2k

    The rocket wouldn’t be able to safely go to warp until after it cleared the atmosphere. Doing it too close to the planet would be bad for everyone.

    And a rocket-propelled rocket would certainly take several minutes to do that.

  • Thanatos2k

    Kidnapping Geordi?

  • Captain Matticus, LP Inc.

    He’s cray-cray now. Totes magotes, and all that other nonsense they’re getting Darth Vader and Alexander De Large to say nowadays.

  • Lloyd Hughes

    I would have forgiven this whole movie if Kirk had survived and Picard introduced him to the crew and they give him a hero’s welcome return. By killing him off it has no redeeming factor and you just focus on the MASSIVE plot hole.

  • LoveSW_Prequels

    Kirk ends up in the Nexus by accident. But Sauran is the BAD GUY, so he has to extinguish an entire solar system to do it. He couldn’t get there by spacecraft

  • Alex Lee

    I also want to point out that Kirk only went back because he was bored. It wasn’t out of a sense of duty or anything like that because he was being a selfish a-hole who would rather live on a ranch with his girlfriend.

  • Alex Lee

    And Scotland is so depressed over that.

  • Alex Lee

    In Generations defense, that applies to several episodes where the warp core was having problems.

    Oh, I feel so dirty now.

  • Alex Lee

    When you think about it, the Sulliban really are masterful terrorists; they managed to destroy an entire series and almost killed the franchise.

  • Alex Lee

    He can always tell Worf, “Watch him closely and if anything strange happens, you can act immediately.”

  • stig781

    Except play an important part in continuity from the last film, unlike Generations.

  • Jason Nucker

    Damn this made me LOL for real!

  • Dragon Nexus

    And Bones, even.

  • LoveSW_Prequels

    Fuck how Kirk died, what about Chekov and Scotty? Did all those people go into the Nexus?

  • bringmeknitting

    In fairness, he had already saved the universe once or twice… can’t a guy retire? ;)

  • Alex Lee

    That’s what Kirk said, until he realized how bored he actually was.

  • FullMetalBiceps

    I was one of those Trekkies who insisted that these movies were good. I refused to believe that TNG went out badly. Even with all it’s flaws I STILL can’t bring myself to hate First Contact, but you opened my eyes to just how the people involved in these movies have no idea what Star Trek means to people, or what the show was ultimately about. And now all that is over. The Star Trek that once was, the one of the TV universe is gone forever.

    A minor point: I’m not surprised Chekov took the part, but I am surprised Nichols wasn’t there. Those two do fan fiction movies.

  • FullMetalBiceps

    That’s one of the many problems, isn’t it? We KNOW Scotty doesn’t die/go missing with the Enterprise B. He gets lost when the transport ship he’s on crashes into a Dyson’s Sphere. I guess we can chuck poor Chekov into the Nexus. I mean, who cares about that guy anyway!? SMH

  • Ted

    Why does that gaggle of reporters all stick laser lady remington razers in kirks face? What does he need a shave or something, or are those futuristic microphones that happen to look like electric razors with a pointless light moving across the end?

  • Mr.Logical

    Yeah, this movie isn’t all that great. However, I did like the scene when Kirk tells Picard not to retire, I thought that was a nice character moment for him. I also liked Picard’s speech at the end. Other than that the film’s just so random and nonsensical, especially when they get to the freaking Nexus, ugh.

  • Alex Lee

    I always think TNG ended with All Good Things and that Generations was just something tacked on a few years later.

    Part of the reason why the script sucks is because they were working on it at the same time as the seventh season, so everyone is overworked and no one is thinking clearly. I guess overtime was ultimately cheaper than retaining the same people for one to two more years.

  • Alex Lee

    I have to disagree about the uniforms because for some bizarre reason, Troi gets to go casual friday while on duty, which implies that Starfleet isn’t THAT strict about uniforms, at least for the senior officers. So, having some DS9 and TNG uniforms mixed around isn’t that weird.

  • gregCall

    Nimoy lost a lot of credibility for me with the line from the Star trek reboot “a star went nova and threatened to destroy the galaxy”.
    Every time I hear that line my mind boggles that Nimoy would even agree to read it becase it is just so monumentally stupid.

  • Alex Lee

    I guess he doesn’t want to wreck a ship that he paid for with his own latinum, I guess. It’s better to have the Duras sisters get him the explosive stuff to make a rocket that can blow up stars instead. At least he’s not spending his own money by doing that.

    Soran’s probably the dumbest Star Trek villain ever.

  • Pissernacht

    For Troi at least, it makes sense to be able to walk around in her civvies.

    She serves as counselor. Now I know from experience that when it comes to talking about intimate details of your life, a comfortable environment is often best. If you see somebody wearing a uniform, just like with a business suit, it’s probably hard to disconnect the rank and uniform from the person trying to help, so I give her a pass on the uniform when it comes to her job.

    Now, sure, we often see her on the bridge…but how often do emergencies come up? In the show it happens often, but there’s no tension if everything is literally A-Okay. How many days go by that are utterly uneventful?

    Anyway, when there is a crisis, I assume that she gets called up to the bridge immediately, with no time to change into her dress uniform. Likewise, for any “opposition” who sees all of these guys in the known uniform of Starfleet, they’ll probably think that Troi is a nobody. At best an aide or something…

    At the end of the day, I’ve come to see that Troi being out of her uniform (teehee) has more benefits than her walking around in it.

    The same doesn’t apply to the other officers, walking around in their mismatched outfits…not that it is a big deal. Likewise I’m not explicitly going full throttle on some-sort of counselor crush over here.

    Really, all I’m doing is playing devil’s advocate on Troi’s state of dress (teehee?) before some jackass shows up with a chip on their shoulder. A preemptive strike, essentially. In many ways I agree with you on the uniforms, since I don’t know what Starfleet’s regulations are…or even if they actually have any. Could be they just want you to have your…service color?…somewhere on your body and they call it good enough.

  • son of pluto

    Just wanted to let you know there is precedent for “space photos”. Season 1 Episode “Datalore”. Picard is handed a child’s drawing of the crystalline entity, and well, it’s in a “space picture frame”.

    http://i.imgur.com/NTNTTxi.png

  • B.J.D

    The rocket and the star explosion: even if the rocket could reach the star in 8 seconds, it would still take several minutes to observe the effect back on the planet because even if the rocket had a warp drive, the photons from the sun still have to obey Einstein’s speed limit.

  • Dominik Müller

    The damn worst thing ever presented in a movie is that Nexus thingy…it’s so outlandish that I have real problems to understand it and I’m well versed in the Alpha quadrant – if you know what I mean. How the hell do they expect anyone remotely further away from Star Trek expect to understand that and also isn’t inevitability sth if you want to portrait danger – why the fuck do they have time travel in their first installment. So a virtually incomprehensible phenomenon that as far as we know is roaming the Galaxy for at least 100 years – why does noone know about this – what happened to the logs of that ship that saved Soran? And Time travel? Where did they wanna go from there? Ah ja I guess right into the Briar Patch but not after making another stop in time travel crazy.

    The TOS crew had their first time travel silver screen experience in the 4th installment and that was really more of a comedy movie – not a bad one – referencing the V’ger threat.

  • Dominik Müller

    I think they had to add that because some people complained about the red blood.

  • Dominik Müller

    And apparently haven’t done thus far for a very good reason.

  • Dominik Müller

    That could actually explain why then he decides just to take a small leap back and would salvage a lot of this IMO.

  • Dominik Müller

    Why does he go to the observation lounge though? The movie never gives a plausible idea as to why the characters split after being hailed of the holodeck. It’s not a question whether or not there might be a possibility for someone to do sth, be somewhere, fly at some speed. But if you haven’t established that your shooting Lord of the Rings where there’s Hobbits – you probably shouldn’t bring them on in Silence of the Lambs. Though I’m sure they are delicious.

  • Joe Syxpac

    What’s more, Warf says that trilithium is a nuclear inhibitor, not a mass inhibitor. Unless I miss my guess, if you turned off a star it would still weigh the same so it’s gravitational effect would remain the same.

  • Jeremy Davis

    i wish RLM would make stuff like this again… it was all so quaint.

  • Paul

    Great review, Mike! However, there’s one mistake. Scotty didn’t build the wale tank of transparent aluminum. He just sold the formula for transparent aluminum for some industrial glass panels.

  • JudgeDredd

    Why doesn’t Sauron just rent a spaceship (say a small one) and just fly out of the back of the Klingons ship and into the rift? no fuss no muss…

  • JudgeDredd

    You know I have dreams about the Kurlan Naisos sound effect…

  • nautonnier

    The commentary track to this film is with the writers, Ron Moore and Branan Braga. And they are so wonderfully self-deprecating that I find it difficult to harbor too much angst against them. If you get a chance I recommend listening to it.

  • galleymac

    I think that interview was cut here. I seem to remember (and this was over a decade ago, so I could be wrong) the whole point of her speech being that this was the first time she got to drive and they made her destroy the ship. I remember her whole speech there as being ironic and wry. “They let little kids and any passing Redshirt drive and it was fine, but the one time they let me drive they wrote in the ship being destroyed.”

  • galleymac

    I always thought they should have switched “All Good Things” and this movie — made Generations an episode, and done “All Good Things” as the first film with really pumped up production value…I don’t know if I still believe that, but both pieces came out at the same time, while I was sad over the end of TNG and primed to be invested in and even forgiving of whatever they gave me, and only AGT really tugged at my heart.

  • http://www.meatspin.com JudgeDredd

    Any idea where a scurvy individual with an eye-patch a parrot and a funny hat might find this?

  • nautonnier

    I don’t. Typically the foremast jacks don’t include special features. I own the DVD so that’s how I know of it.

  • Dunnlang

    Actually he did build it out of Transparent Aluminum. They stated that it was not possible to do with Plexiglas. They would need some impossible material to meet Scotty’s requirements. This is when Scotty introduced them to a material that would meet their requirements.

    Now the better question is… “Why did the material need to be transparent in the first place?”

  • Jeremy Davis

    plasma coils

  • Paul

    Nope, look yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmGjB-G6v8 The guy from the factory said it would take forever to develop the material to a usable state although it would be very valuable eventually. Scotty traded the formula in exchange for a few square meters of the best material he could get in the 1980s.

  • SuperGirl95

    NERDS!!!!

  • SuperGirl95

    I love you.

  • bruce wayne

    LOL, I heard someone break a clay pot in Lowes the other day and started laughing hysterically. I couldn’t explain it to anyone with me.

  • bruce wayne

    Yeah… and?

  • http://dreddlaw.ytmnd.com JudgeDredd
  • SuperGirl95

    It was a joke. Everyone here is most likely a nerd, or maybe a geek.

  • Guest

    I wasn’t disagreeing with the statement, just saying: so what? one does not go to a site about a football team and expect to find fans of Broadway musicals. Just as one would anticipate finding the nerdiest of the nerdy, and the geekiest of the geeky on RLM. I say revel in the nerd-om, for tomorrow we die.

  • Guest

    Ohhhh that’s right honey pie, work that business.

  • bruce wayne

    plasma coils

  • bruce wayne

    I wasn’t disagreeing with the statement, just saying: so what? one does not go to a site about a football team and expect to find fans of Broadway musicals. Just as one would anticipate finding the nerdiest of the nerdy, and the geekiest of the geeky on RLM.

  • bruce wayne

    Ohhh that’s right honey pie, work that business.

  • SuperGirl95

    That was the joke… nvm… nerds rule a good deal of the world, as it should be.

  • Marvin Falz

    I’d dislike that myself, when my character was the only one who wrecks the ship while even kids are able to fly it without damaging it. Then again, it probably didn’t make any sense to let her fly in the first place since Deanna Troi is a very sensitive being with telepathic abilities and no knack for technical stuff? I imagine driving a ship like the Enterprise is much more difficult than, let’s say, driving a car. Being able to hold the steering wheel doesn’t mean you’re able to drive.

    Going from my memory of the interview segment used in this review, Marina Sirtis speech was taken out of context to make a point. I’m too lazy now to check up on this, but it feels like a misrepresentation.

  • Ted

    star trek generations should have been less about climbing a space ribbon to heaven and more about those parasites that crawl in your mouth

  • LoveSW_Prequels

    Riker’s like,”Plasma coils… any way we can use that to our advantage?”
    Worf,”Doing things that are to our advantage? Brilliant!”

  • galleymac

    Aw! *warm fuzzies*

  • lnf77777

    I think it was more because he “wanted to make a difference” as he said. He wasn’t really listening to Picard early on because the Nexus kind of affects your mind… sort of like when you’re in a dream. Picard believed he had kids earlier and the destruction of Veridian III & IV wasn’t bothering him, until he snapped out of it and he realized it wasn’t real. Kirk also snapped out of it after he jumped his horse. When Kirk realized it wasn’t real, the Nexus couldn’t affect his mind anymore and he gradually regained his full faculties. It was at that point that he actually could comprehend what Picard was talking about regarding Soran. Don’t get me wrong, though, Alex… I agree completely that Generations was horrifically bad.

  • ImAFckingDragn

    Plasma Coils!

  • ImAFckingDragn

    God you nerds are nerdy…

  • ImAFckingDragn

    Ah, the famous origin story of the Curlin Nescar, a great piece of Red Letter Media lore…

  • Flora Posteschild

    Huh. Reminds me of the quote “he was a modest little man, with a great deal to be modest about.”

  • Joe Syxpac

    No problem!

  • nautonnier

    I thought Moore’s BSG was pretty kick ass. And Moore’s and Braga’s TNG episodes were among my favorite. So I don’t think the writers are bad. I think a large part of the problem with franchise films is there is a lot of constraints put on the writers by producers and studio execs. Hard to expect anything great from committee thinking.

  • I’m dead now… sad face.

    witch bit is the plasma coil?!!!

  • I’m dead now… sad face.

    sorry my bad. thats a RB30-E not a NCC-1701-D.
    BUT IF YOU CAN SPOT THE COIL?….

  • I’m dead now… sad face.

    most phones use transparent ALUMINIUM!!! (fucking seppos.)

  • I’m dead now… sad face.

    fun story transparent aluminium is clear sapphiresrubys. look it up.

  • ChuWii

    i thought sapphires were corundum… these guys wont know what aluminium is.. aluminum.. is their way..
    THE MINERAL CORUNDUM … Chemical Formula: Al2O3, Aluminum Oxide so yah.. could be right there…

  • the corpse of Andrew Thompson.

    Keep laughing. i took this pic recently… the Nexus is real!

  • darkfall13
  • the corpse of Andrew Thompson.

    shame your gif is broken.

  • darkfall13

    shame you don’t know that a jpg != gif

  • the corpse of Andrew Thompson.

    i think technically its a meme.

  • darkfall13

    k?

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