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sorry about you wife car accident mr prinkett
a momment of silence for mr plinket’s wife
Regarding Picard’s characterisation, it’s made pretty clear that he isn’t behaving normally and that he’s taking the Borg thing personally. The Borg want to fight their way to Earth in the present because otherwise they give potentially thousands of species early warning of them, and want to stop First Contact so that earth can be assimilated quickly without the complication of other species being alerted. And remember, the Borg want to add to their “perfection”, so they want to assimilate species with the high technological capabilities – this may be why they chose to go to the very latest they could before other species got involved, because they couldn’t stand the loss of all that lovely earth tech as it was, let alone more. If they tried it too early, they may have even considered it a detraction from their perfection, because any tech they gain is already obsolete.
Yeah but it comes out of nowhere. Whenever Picard on the show acts strangely it’s usually because of an outside influence. He just does here because…we’re not even told that he’s having some sort of mid-life crisis or anything. He just snaps. Which is hard to believe given his character. Had that been the only problem with the movie, it’d of been passable But all the other problems show that they didn’t really put any thought into it.
I could have bought that with some sort of explanation, but they just tie it to the best of both worlds and nothing in between. He’s dealt with the borg numerous times before with no problem, even refusing to commit genocide against them. It would’ve been fine if he acknowledged that and maybe felt guilt for not destroying them when he had the change, and this just being the straw that breaks the camel’s back
I get the feeling that Ron Moore had intended for this to be a DS9 movie. It would have made way more sense for Sisko to act the way Picard did.
You can’t have black leads in Hollywood that aren’t Will Smith or targeted exclusively at the “urban” market.
Have you noticed how Lily shoots cybernetic life forms so passionately yet lives so quietly? My theory is that someday life and shooting androids will become one and she will be wonderful in both.
I think the room with the window is for an escape if the ship were to crash land on a planet like in Generations. Can’t be solid because people need it to get out, has a force field and blast door because it’s supposed to stay closed but if someone opens it then the force field stops people from getting sucked out into space and the control panel turns it off.
Stop making retarded excuses for crap writing.
And of course this emergency exit is only accessible through a tube and not via door?
Holy shit you’re right!
I’ve never eaten Pizza Rolls in my life, but there’s something about Plinkett reviews that creates within me an insatiable desire to get in my car and go get some. They also make me want to get married, just so I can kill my wife and make it look like a car crash.
You know what to do….
I actually did a few days ago. They are not super yummy, but you can eat them. Don’t under-cook them and don’t use a microwave if you have the time.
you mean wives?
Put my wife in the microwave? Thank you for the tip!
I like how the dish is charged with whatever and can ‘destroy half the ship.’ So if you’re in a battle and somehow a shot gets through shields and hits the dish, 1/2 of the ship blows up? Has that ever happened to any ship in the Trek universe? Maybe it could be a new military strategy.
Yeah, I thought the same upon first seeing the movie when I was 10 years old. New battle strategy: target the deflector dish! No need for trilithium torpedoes or a hidden webcam in Geordi’s visor! Destroying the Enterprise is getting easier!
Well, as soon as the shields go down it’s pretty much over. Whenever this happens it’s always “One more direct hit and we’re done for!”
Obviously you can’t hit the dish when the shields are up.
I am glad you mentioned this. A lot of people don’t see these things. A bit like Anakin Skywalker (or should I say silly moptop generic kid) building CP30 at such a young age. It can’t be done.
In fact building a robot at all would be immensely difficult for any 1 person.
Well Lily mentions she spent years scrounging up enough material for him to do his work, so I dunno maybe next time pay more attention? Also plenty of famous people were alcoholics
Don’t justify Episode One, ever. There will never be a next time and there was never a need to pay attention.
Also, plenty of famous people certainly were alcoholics but none of them were rocket scientists. The people you’re thinking about are musicians, actors and politicians. They don’t get to go to space.
Do we know that…and what we are talking about is more the äquivalent of Columbus really or Cook or so, so really I don’t know. It’s not that he works for NASA.
“…so I dunno maybe next time pay more attention…”
Wow. What an ass!
There are child geniuses out there, and a good example is Tony Stark. The difference here being that he has the means…a genius father/educator and money. Age isn’t a problem in fantasy. But a slave in the middle of nowhere? Then again, Tony built a suit in a cave, so fuck it. This isn’t really a plot hole so much as a “one in infinite probability” type scenario. It’s unrealistic, true, but could it happen? Yeah. It’s just not explained at all. Maybe the guy grew up with people who were trying dabbling in getting back to progress and he happened to have a lucky brilliant idea brought on by an epiphany he experienced while hallucinating on absinthe.
Well for Anakin its explain in a comic book (like everything about the Prequels) he found CP3O in a dumpster mostly intact Anakin was just repairing him as a hobby. Yeah he does say he wants to use CP30 to help his mom but even she knows its just something for Anakin to take his mind off the whole being a child slave.
You must be extraordinarily stupid to ask what he has a problem with when he explains it in the video.
I want a pizza roll
And there’s another thing he didn’t mention and that’s very unsettling to me: how come energy-based torpedoes such as the ones used by the borg, which were to designed to take on CAPITAL STARSHIPS SHIELDS, only cause that little damage to the humam “camp”?! Just one was supposed to have lain waste to those houses… I guess that’s one more fine example of sloppy writing! XD
I would like a pizza roll.
Actually if the Borg wanted to pick one of the best times to assimilate people then they should have gone back to 1920. A wave of demiliterisation was sweeping most of the world then in the wake of WWI and with the world decimated by the Spanish Flu as well it would have been prime time to assimilate without resitance.
Why not go back to… …I don’t know, tribal times? You could even not touch humanity and have them worship the Borg, learning that human aspect as they grow. Then when the population is huge, assimilate them.
Yeah, except humans wouldn’t be any use to the borg as tribal aboriginals. Why assimilate a species with no technology. It would be like Apple trying to train dogs to build iPhones.
What does it add to the Borg to assimilate pre-warp humans as they do in the movie? Isn’t that pretty much the same as assimilating stone age humans? “Oh, you guys have invented chemical rockets? I heard those are great for interstellar travel!” Nah, it doesn’t make much sense.
Crap. I liked this movie. Now I realize it actually sucked.
I still enjoy watching it for what it is, a dumb space action movie with ‘splosions. Same with the JJ Abrams movies. Doesn’t mean they’re necessarily good, just entertaining
technically Data used his robot strength to break that big green tube. He also does this really cool James Cameron liquid effect when his head shot in the head in front of an elevator.
With the recent shootings in mind, I wonder if those escape tunnels they used would be viable in a similar scernario. Obviously, the main advantage is cost, but with the size forcing people on their 4′s like in the movie, you’d have backlash from the claustrophobic children and the families. If we lived in a more perfect, utilitarian society, people would see the benefit of such a program and would just acknowledge their children would be last in line. But nooo.
their incessant babbling created the evil mirror universe
and then suddenly worf has a purple space bazooka
On that matter, if the Borg can just go back in time and all this stuff happens, why couldn’t another race go back in time and stop it from happening? Someone would surely notice at some point… Hell, even the Q might not let this happen.
I don’t believe you can beam in while shields are up.
That window is where a clamp attaches when the ship is docked for maintenance.
You know, I loved this movie. But I just now fucking thought of this. Why would the Borg go back in time to assimilate the human race? A lot easier perhaps, but it makes no sense unless the Borg are out for revenge. It is stated several times that they assimilate to add to their perfection. There would be no benefit to assimilating humans in the pre warp past. What could they possibly have wanted that would add to their so called perfection? Even on Voyager, some of the peoples of the Delta Quadrant lived primitive, agricultural based lives, so as to not be tempting to the Borg. Another one has Janeway making a shuttle look tastier than it was so the Borg would assimilate it. I suppose they could say they saw humans as an actual threat to their existence so they went back in time to destroy human kind before they grew strong enough to be a threat to the Borg? I don’t know. This is a pretty big deal, and it’s what made the Borg always so scary and spooky. They didn’t care about wealth or diplomacy. They sought the perfection of their being at all costs. They harvested technology and resources from anyone without remorse or compassion in order to fuel the juggernaut. This makes them different from Romulans, who we always see having children, loving them, etc. They have sons and mothers, yada yada. The Borg are completely inhuman, and worse when they make you one of them they destroy you as a person. Terrifying. Unless they decided they had a thirst for vengeance at the meany head humans that wouldn’t submit then assimilating past humans just seems like a lazy plot device. It also destroys all the spookiness of the Borg. Voyager does this a little bit by adding the Queen as a more prominent character. But she’s so creepy herself it kinda works. She IS the Borg. And if you view the drones as her arms and legs the creep factor goes up. Anyway. Sad. I’m with Plinkett here. There are two parter episodes that are far more compelling than most of the TNG movies. But I still think Nemesis was the worst!
Unless its to take out a treat. Lets assume the Queen is like Locutus she’s not the real head but the voice of the Borg (yes Ronald D Moore said she’s a person but he’s also the man who ruin Battlestar with he “god did it” bullshit, so he can’t explain anything for every)
So humans have been messing with the Borg for a while now, first it was Hue who messed of the Collective. Some don’t understand how but it makes seance wend Picard says being “individualism is awesome” they just think he’s being a smallminded idiot being part of the Collective awesome. But wend a fellow Borg said “maybe individualism is awesome” they acuity start to think about it.
Plus Voyager is annoying them so let’s say one cube wants to try and take them out beforehand, the rest want to say and fight the Undine
But yeah this movie is stupid and I can’t believe it took an MMO to give the Borg there balls back
The thing is that 7 of 9 either implied or said in the final episodes that they had a transwarp conduit network that could allow the Borg to get to Earth whenever they wanted, and it’s always been the case that by the numbers, the Borg could quash the Federation whenever they wanted. For some reason, they try, but not that hard and not in a way that furthers their initial motivation.
One of the biggest problems in this movie is that they insist on intertwining two completely separate plots and they try to unsuccessfully combine them. That’s always why the tone of this movie feels different between the Zephram and Picard scenes. The light-heartedness and depressing emotions in this movie clash in an unsastifying way.
Well Voyager yeah, well I guess the Borg figure sending one Cube the normal way going warp 30 (yes I know Voyager said warp 10 is the max buy again fuck them) would be enough
The Borg are all about efficiency
agree, it should have been one or the other
The forcefield window could be like an access hatch that isn’t meant to be open in space? For like repair crews and shit from outside? But then if it’s a part of the ship that requires a jefferies tube and a large exterior hatch (you know important enough for repairs/whatever that you have a hole in the hull to get in) why doesn’t it have a door. The purpose of that room might haunt my nightmares for a while.
It would make a great escape hatch like the one in the deleted scene from Star Trek The Motion Picture. If you’re working in a Jeffrey’s Tube and you don’t have time to crawl all the way back to the hallway, you can stop off in the room, jump into an escape suit, hit the 10 second countdown button, open the hatch, kill the forcefield, get sucked (correction: blown) out into space, hit the jets, and fly free of the asplosion.
I would like to formally request a pizza roll be sent in the mail.
they look more like pizza pillows. And yes I’d love some.
I hated this movie so much, I’m glad someone agrees with me. They made Zefram Cochrane, the inventor of warp drive into some dumb redneck! They also establish that “there’s no money in the future”. Which is dumb, since that contradicts almost everything else in Trek (there’s plenty of instances of Trek characters mentioning money or alluding to it), and Picard’s explanation sounds extremely naive. Yes, I know this isn’t the first time that was “established”: Kirk said so in “The Voyage home” too. I think this may be another example of the movies contradicting the series. At some point, the Voyager writers took this as canon, and mentioned something called “the new world economy” in the “Think Tank” episode. Loved your review, it made me laugh!
Earth doesn’t use money. Other races do, the Ferengi, etc.
Because Glenn Beck says gold will never decrease in value or what? What’s so weird about no money in an unrealistic socialist utopia in the future?
Gold-pressed Latinum is the most widely used currency in the Star Trek universe from what I’ve seen. I don’t remember if it’s ever mentioned in TNG, but it features prominently in DS9 because of the Ferengi. As far as I know, The Federation doesn’t use any kind of currency.
What on god’s earth would you *need* money for? There’s replicators.
Some help please: In the FC review there is a reference to the purple space bazooka from an earlier review. And I’m sure I have seen it before but now I can’t find it anymore. What review is this from originally?? I can’t find it in the other reviews of Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis. Where is it? Please help me, my brain is collapsing in on itself.
Pretty sure the purple space bazooka is from Insurrection.
He doesn’t mention the Space Bazooka again, though he does talk about the stuntmen on the bridge in Insurrection. Just like he doesn’t mention the cartoon chipmunk again. It’s like how when British record companies release singles ahead of an album they don’t put those songs on the album when it comes out.
He has the space bazooka scene in…I guess it was the Episode II review. If not that than III.
I just noticed something, at 9:59 in the review, they have a coil looking thing that looks very familiar to the the sabotaged equipment thingy in the 1957 film “Forbidden Planet”. I am not able to locate a photo or movie clip, if I recall it is around 45-60 minute into the film, Forbidden Planet seance that is. It is a nearly exact duplicate.
the Plinkett voice has changed so much
Why is there so many injustice advertisements before and during the videos? And why do they have superman promoting the soviet union?
Actually if you are looking at Kirk’s conduct during the trilogy he is punished at the end of Voyage Home for his conduct in Search for Spock. In fact he is reduced in rank from Admiral to Captain. Sure it works for both Kirk and the audience, he becomes the Enterprise captain again and we get our hero back where we have always wanted him. But he is punished and that was for one major violation in three movies. At the end of Undiscovered Country it makes sense that there would be no prosecution because they helped to ensure that the peace between the Federation and Klingon Empires was not derailed before it had begun. Piccard in the films however is just disobeying orders because thats what was expected of action hero’s at the time. That they would disobey orders and do what they thought was right. Loving the work Plinkett.
If you take a good,close look at the hatch you see it closes after her.
Bah! I love this movie!
I think Enterprise revealed that Cochrane actually told the truth about everything that happened.
Well, one good thing about this movie is that Dr. Crusher looks absolutely stunning! Hello Nurse…er…Docrtor…whatever, she’s hot.
yep. he has a penchant for saying peoples names wrong, like Amidalun and Doku, and star track
All those years fighting the borg with phasers when they could’ve dusted off the antiques and used good ol’ fashioned lead!
And swords. Don’t forget about swords. Even a good axe would help out in melee combat.
I want a pizza roll!
I don’t care…still liked this movie. Out of all the TNG films, it’s pretty much the only one that doesn’t suck a lot, IMO. Btw, the whole “Defiant: adrift, but salvageable” bit was added in because the DS9 producer didn’t want it to be destroyed (like it was originally planned to be in the movie).
Did DS9 take place after First Contact?
During, I think it was around the 4th of 5th season.
They even make a passing reference to the “recent Borg attack” in an episode in season 6 if I remember correctly.
funny that it just ended up being destroyed on the show, and they just built another one.
Yes, but they took several episodes before they rebuilt it. It’s not like they did at the beginning of the next episode. This is quite different from how “Into Darkness” handles Kirk’s punishment, or Kirk’s death.
yeah, I get what you mean, I was trying to hint at the lack of harmony between DS9 and the Next Generation movies on a writing level, like this huge galactic war is just a passing footnote in conversation?…probably because they knew the movies weren’t that great on some level. Either that or, I don’t understand why but DS9 was like the black sheep of the Trek universe during this time.
Also it seems weird that they can manufacture all these huge star ships but…2 or 3 Defiant-type ships aren’t waiting in Section 31-land or something? Especially after Best of Both Worlds.
And to your point about Into Darkness, yeah the stakes were messed up in that movie. It was cool to see that little Defiant type ship when during the “will it fit?” sequence…I think that was on Q’onos?
I love these reviews…and you make some excellent points as always…but I love this movie XD
Hey there is one review where Plinkett Mentions DS9 in the context of the ships seeming to have less structural integrity/going down in one phaser shot. Which video is that from?
Nemesis review, I think.
Also in his review of Star Trek 2009 he talks about how the Dominion War reduced to the feared Klingon Bird of Prey to having the durability of a TIE Fighter. It’s at the very end of the review.
In defense of Picard killing assimilated (or in the process of being assimilated) crew, I think he either A) Didn’t want them to experience what he went through when he was a Borg, or B) Felt that doing so would mean less information for the Borg to use against the Federation.
Couple things I noticed:
1. “That Guy” was played by Adam Scott from “Parks and Recreation”.
2. The one crewmember that Plinkett zoomed in on was the same crewmember who got killed by Picard in mid-assimilation.
This was the only movie where Picard being “out of character” actually made sense. In “I, Borg,” Picard was perfectly willing to commit genocide on the Borg and it takes Guinan-the second-most anti Borg character-to convince him to reconsider his position. And even then, Picard’s reasoning at the time only extended to Hugh because he saw that he wasn’t a Borg anymore.
The same applies in Descent, parts 1 and 2, when it is revealed very early on that these Borg have entirely different priorities than the one that Picard experienced, and the only reason why he didn’t go on a crusade with them is because they weren’t necessarily a threat to the Federation, especially under Hugh’s leadership.
Back in the days of “Q, Who?” and “Best of Both Worlds,” the ship was so massive and repairs could be initiated quickly enough that commando squads with bombs wouldn’t hurt them enough.
As for Data suddenly being bullet-proof, I would caulk that up to technological developments between Qpid and First Contact. Remember that Commander Maddox was still researching on developing androids and while he never succeeded in developing a positronic brain, he was also developing frames and casings for the androids. Over the years, he probably developed more resistant casings and sent them to Data to test effectiveness.
Chalk. You mean chalk that up. I agree that this movie is something of a c(aul)k-up, but I don’t think that’s what you meant.
It’s admirable that you want to make the story work as one giant, canonical continuum, but one of the many points that this review points out is that it isn’t. Period. The motivation for having someone shoot Data and him shrugging it off was not exploring a hypothetical scientific development or even a detailed, passionate review of other story lines like you just provided – if people like you wrote these movies we wouldn’t have this problem – but instead is simply a cheap gimmick for laughs that ignores the world that you and I and all fans have built for ourselves. That’s why it’s so insulting – injecting humour into a story is important, especially if it’s supposed to appeal to newcomers, but this kind of wanton disregard implies that our emotional connection to the other stories doesn’t matter anymore.
A good movie should only tell you just enough to get the point across and continue the story, Point of it is for you to fill in the blanks. Which is what he did, you’re just an asshole.
He wasn’t being an asshole, he said that it was admirable that he was trying to make sense of the movie when the filmmakers weren’t, and that these movies would be less dumb if he had written them
He said caulk.
Well said. Just caulk it up to more of the same.
Picard should’ve said “You are terminated, fucker.”
Picard should have said “I Squeeze Gats Till Ma Clips Is Spent”
I was gonna say something to the effect of “Maybe since they’re in the Enterprise-e it’s got a new holodeck that projects clothing for you.”
Then you brought up the whole, “Shouldn’t they have small heads on their bodies?” Thing. Awesome. One of many things that prove I have no business analyzing movies on my own.
I want to know how and why they got The Enterprise-E
I guess Starfleet likes them or something.
You know…that’s actually a good point.
I mean, how often does a ship get replaced with the original crew in mind? Ad what did the crew do while the E was being built? Just sit around on one long-ass shore leave, waiting?
Continuity suggests it was finished a year or less after the destruction of Enterprise-D
If they had not gotten the Enterprise E, there would have been no movie.
Dude, to enjoy a star trek movie, suspend your credulity…and just be a kid again.
credulity – a tendency to be too ready to believe that something is real or true.
Next time educate yourself before posting.
Wow, how dishonest and petty. Everybody saw your original post that read “suspend your credulity” not “engage your credulity.”
Welcome to this webzone.
Dude, if you can’t take a simple rebuke, get off the internet.
Wouldn’t physical weapons like swords/ guns be more effective against the borg ?
Why didn’t they replicate a whole bunch of fireaxes and sledgehammers? No matter how sturdy the Borg are, the humanoid shape can only take so much damage before it starts to break.
I have this theory about what would have made this movie cooler. What if they brought in some of the DS9 crew. Not all of them because that would have over saturated and already over saturated movie. But what if the Defiant showed up with Worf, Sisko, Bashir and Dax on board. The Battle of Sector 001 plays out the same way with Sisko and crew ending up on the Enterprise-E. Then in an early scene Picard can get captured by the Borg and end up having to reason with them or do something Picard-ish (whatever.) It would be up to Sisko to fight off the Borg and he can pretty much do what Picard does in the movie as it currently is. It would make much more sense for Sisko to go all crazy and have to get lectured because the Borg killed his wife. His arc would be a little more believable because he had a harder time with the loss than Picard had with his assimilation. A lot of the other scenes can play out in a similar way with a few changes. Troi could be off on some other ship doing something not in the movie (the writers can come up with an excuse) and Dax could go down to the planet. Her character would make more sense in those Troi situations there because she is 300 years old (heck, her earliest host could have been alive when the events of First Contact were occurring) and tends to be more reckless and hard-drinking. A lot of the same beats would play out. I just have to come up with something cool for Bashir to do.
Basically I think that would make the movie more interesting. The DS9 people are more suited for action movies and it would be cool to see the two crews working together. The problems would be that it would bog down in backstory and wouldn’t be a movie that general audiences would get as much since it would involve characters from two story lines. Also I don’t know how it would fit in to DS9 continuity. But I can dream… That would have been a cool movie…
Well it would have to fit in sometime after Worf got there and also after the Defiant was finished.
I’m the original poster of this comment (which I guess I deleted?) and you’re right. Seeing as First Contact was filmed in 1996 they would have had to get some references to this event in season 5 of DS9. It would be interesting to see how they would explain sending the Defiant all the way to Earth during the escalation of the Dominion War.
A lot of people say they like this movie despite some issues with Picard’s behavior and a few plot issues. And I agree, when I first saw this, I liked it quite a bit. But that was before I watched the TNG episodes. Are you kidding me?! This movie dumbed down so much that the TNG episodes offered. Plinkett even says that it’s a “less than stellar Borg movie.” Bingo. Time travel plots suck balls basically always. I understand that they wanted to make a space action movie that the masses would be interested in, rather than a really deep, intellectually challenging star trek film. But it still objectively wasn’t anything spectacular. Another thing, which I lament in the episodes Best of Both Worlds: the great thing about the Borg was that they were introduced as a collective. Creating the character Locutus, and the queen, actually weakens that idea. Picard in the Best of Both Worlds should have just been another drone. Granted that may have made it easier to rescue him, but it would have been that much more demoralizing. This was a chance to explore collectivism vs individuality in an ultimate sense and they kinda let the ball down, even in the tv show. But really, First Contact, disregarding Plinkett’s nitpicking, is still a dumbed down action movie and it would be actually bold and artistically challenging to explore more intellectual issues. Screw all you morons who don’t get it… Invent something useful before you lament an accurate and precise review of something that could have been so much more.
The reason why Locutus was semi-individualized was because the Borg collective wanted Locutus to be the envoy through which the Borg would communicate with humanity during assimilation. He was supposed to, essentially, ease humanity into the idea of becoming part of the Borg. Hence, giving him a name and the semblance of individuality.
As for the queen…well, even ant colonies have a queen the directs them. It kind of makes sense. But then again, the queen was never in the show, only the movie. So there’s that.
Yeah, I get why the Queen was put in, because it’s easier to film and the actors have someone to play off of, and I guess the Borg learned from the Locutus thing. Maybe the Queen came from Picard’s mind and interpreted what an ideal woman would be through the understanding of Borg, similar to how the Talosians rebuilt Vina-it’s functional, but they never seen it before.
For what it’s worth, my main problem with this movie is that, well, I just don’t understand the Borg. I can forgive many things here, but I have no idea what the main enemy is up to, which causes problems in a movie.
In context, why would they continue sending just ONE fucking cube at a mortal enemy. Sure, it worked well enough before, but the whole point of the Borg is that they adapt and the last time they attacked their one cube was insufficient. I can even forgive the time-hole bullshit, but one cube!?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they needed to have a massive, sector-spanning Dominion War-style punch up between all of Starfleet and a thousand mecha-polygons, but some time needs to be devoted to the motivations of your opponent.
Huh, in many ways it’s just like Into Darkness; the bad guys’ motivation gets mumbled at the screen and then action happens to quickly distract the audience from engaging in common sense…parallels! Coincidence?
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