Mr. Plinkett Responds to Comments on his Video Commenting on Disney’s Star Wars Rogue One!

January 1, 20171,041 Comments

Mr. Plinkett is back to clarify some of the things he said in his last video and to respond to some of your viewer comments!


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  • thisisnotaninternetmeme

    IT BROKE NEW GROUND

  • I liked he movie that robot was sadly the best thing in the film and of course ATST

  • RLMkeepitup

    here we go again. (not endearing). its an actual here we go again.

  • sikepike

    I look forward to another video next week regarding the comments from this video.

  • Percy Gryce

    Some of us have been commenting here for a half decade or more–sometimes brilliantly, I might add–with barely any acknowledgment from Management. But a few mediocre comments on Youtube and Mike & Jay race back to their webcam to explain their previous explanation.

    What gives?

  • kuhpunkt

    I liked Rogue One to a certain degree and you might have been a bit harsh, but those comments… ROFL.

  • kuhpunkt

    You can’t make fun of intelent peeple.

  • RLMkeepitup

    “I think after the prequels, star wars will fade into oblivion” -Rich Evns 2002

  • rikkibarnes

    It’s funny because one of the elements people defend in Rogue One is that character and story don’t matter yet…a lot of awful action movies have similar structures, themes, and characterizations. Bay’s Transformers, The Resident Evil films, Hitman, Assassin’s Creed, etc… All of those films are awfully similar to Rogue One when it comes to shallow stories and characters.

    Assassin’s Creed, for example, reminded me a lot of Rogue One. From Cal getting an ‘obligatory’ childhood flashback that feels empty and lacks emotion to the forced conflict to the ‘badass’ action scenes that mimic those from many other films to the whole movie being pointless garbage. The (biggest) difference is that Rogue One has Star Wars to give it ‘cred’… Assassin’s Creed is just another video game movie that people now tend to avoid due to their bad reputation.

    Then again, the fact so many people are making comments like, “who cares about characters!?” and “it doesn’t need to be an in-depth character study to be a good movie” just helps to cement my opinion that most people should never produce, direct, or write films…or any other media.

  • Percy Gryce

    Yes, I see that now. But I always say that interacting with smart people makes you smarter and interacting with dumb people makes you dumber.

  • Chris Alexander

    Oh boy, now we’re going to get into tactical analysis of the AT-AT’s capabilities and mission set. Is it capable of precision destruction or “scorched earth” missions or can it do both? Is it a tactical nuclear weapon or an AC-130? So many questions. Umm…idk brah let’s ask your Boba Fette.

  • Chris Alexander

    It was so dense.

  • kuhpunkt

    That’s true. I’d like to talk to the guys, too – but I think that it can be overwhelming, because of the mass of people. And if they do that a bit, it might feel unfair even more (why did you talk to HIM and not ME? *sad*) And sometimes it’s not always clear if people are honest and stuff.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Exactly… without the SW shine the movie would never have been made because the script sucked.

  • kuhpunkt

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  • Troll Prince The White

    Because a huge swath of the fan boys here couldn’t understand the points.

  • Leo_Silva.

    I think he just chosed the most stupid ones

  • rikkibarnes

    Nah. It would’ve been made.

    It might have even been a box office success still.

    It would just still be a lazy pile of crap.

  • I demand that ‘Crazy Over Boba Fette’ be a stand alone Star Wars documentary film like Rogue One.

    Julia Roberts is a party planner. She has to organise a Life Day celebration in Fiji, but not actual Fiji – Star Wars Fiji. Also she is engaged to Bossk, who wears a Hawaiian shirt over his yellow jumpsuit. Then Boba Fette defeats him in a limbo dancing contest and at the end they (Fette and Julia Roberts) fly off together in Slave One.

    In the time line, I imagine this taking place between Empire and Jedi.

  • doctorr

    Thank you! I mean if you wan’t to be a dick and over analyze AT-AT’s, you should start with their presence in Empire Strikes Back. I’m mean, brilliant idea, let’s put a giant armored troop transport vehicle on fucking stilts so their center of balance is a hundred feet in the air on sticks. That makes sense. And if shields were the problem for the Empire for why they couldn’t attack with weapons from space, then how the fuck did they transport those giant things off their space ships and on to Hoth’s surface? Why couldn’t whatever vehicle that brought them down, have weapons of its own and fly to the rebel base and fuck the rebels up? But most normal people just enjoyed the cool looking ships that looked like giant elephants; we didn’t feel the need to over analyze it.

  • maximilian645

    so because TFA made much money you can not say that it sucks?
    Great logic. So Transformers,Avatar,Fast&Furius are fine too, right?
    _
    Simple Truth: TFA sucked. It sucked hard. Get over it.

  • Justin McGovney

    “It’s so dense, every single image has so many things going on.”

    -Most Rogue One fanatics I have seen defending the movie, not realizing irony.

  • Paul

    I see the point that this channel is making. I live near Pinewood Studios and I over hear things from people that work there who know nothing about Star Wars and some that do. All i know is that the first cut of the movie was watched by the producers early last year and after that they did major re shoots. I had to hear them complain about rebuilding the sets, apart from the electricians who got paid double time, maybe more. All of them stated that never before has a movie had more re shoots, especially the final scene which I believe was totally different. Anyway, a certain lady liked the first cut but thought it could go from good to great with a few reshoots………..plus the contrast was fucked.

  • Troll Prince The White

    maybe it would have been made as direct to video or a syfy movie.

  • thisisnotaninternetmeme

    And R.I.P. Debby Reynolds, her mom, Plinkett! Even for an incontinent deranged serial killer, that was an insensitive omission on your part…

  • Justin McGovney

    One of my favorite defenses to why Rogue One is great is that “it’s a war movie.”

    Like that makes me care about it more.

  • HorseyFace

    Yeah it’s always a risk if you try to make a main protagonist a remorseless assassin who is so far into rationalization and guilt that his only apology is that he can’t go back now.

  • DeadWife

    Although I agree with Mr. Plinkett on most things, I wish he brought up the failed ending. I mean, the whole point of the movie is to explain how Leia got the plans to the Death Star and it totally fails at that. The plans had to be beamed to Leia’s ship, which should have been far, far away from the battle. A better ending to this movie would have been: Raddus gets the plans the he says “ohh f*** we getting f***d by the empire I gotta send the plans to someone really far away” then he manages to send to Leia, so then Vader can actually go on a hunt of the plans and finally get to Leia on A New Hope.

  • Prescription Nass

    When’s the next Plinkett review?

    Titanic 2 I hope.

  • doctorr

    I’ve haven’t met any Rogue One fanatics, just some people who enjoyed the movie. Have you really? Have you really heard them say that?

  • David Gallagher

    RLM I don’t get this “if it were a movie without sequels and prequels it wouldn’t make sense” crap – it ISN’T a movie on it’s own. It DOES have sequels and prequels and, most importantly, sequels and prequels everyone knows. Your argument is so weak on that, especially given that means Empire and Jedi also would make little sense since all the setup and exposition is in A New Hope.

  • Justin McGovney

    No that phrase is just a joke.

    But I haven’t gotten into a few arguments by people who absolutely loved the movie.

    I personally didn’t like it nor hated it. I felt it was very average. There were times I was entertained, and most of the time, I was bored. I just don’t think it’s worthy of a conversation of whether it’s the best or worst film in the Star Wars universe.

    But, when you have people who like something, they will do all they can to tell you that your opinion is wrong and you need to be converted to loving it like they do. Their arguments are often like Rick McCollum’s remark on The Phantom Menace. Just apology.

  • Justin McGovney

    The point you are missing is that without the context, Rogue One would be a terribly average and boring movie. Only within its context of the Star Wars universe is there any value to it.

    Empire, on the other hand, is entertaining in its own right without the context.

  • Captain Turbo

    You son of a bitch! I’ll beat you death with a rubber hose!

  • CM Chunk

    Go read the opening crawl of A New Hope. Rogue One sets the story up exactly the way it is described.

  • Angela

    Wait a second–you guys read the comments? Well then, I don’t have anything else to say about Rogue One (thought it was great, whatever), but I would like to request more videos of Rich as George Lucas unpacking salads (or anything else). His Lucas voice is very soothing and makes me happy. Thank you for your consideration.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Tactical analysis… he just said it was a visual designed to remind us that the Empire was still in control.

    If you base things on the OT – which I do and you should – there appears to be different ships for operating in atmosphere or in space.

    Speeders are for atmosphere and things like x-wings, ties, star destroyers etc are for space operations.

    The reason why you want the Walkers is because – unlike speeders – they are so heavily armored that they are immune to laser fire.

    So they deployed the Walkers to take down the shield so the star destroyers could blast it from space.

    And I know there is a star destroyer hovering in the atmosphere in the Reshoot One trailer. That’s why the movie sucks.

  • Captain Turbo

    Yes

  • Captain Turbo

    Twelve years in the making!

  • DeadWife

    You obviously need to re-watch A New Hope.

  • “It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire.
    During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet.
    Pursued by the Empire’s sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy….””

    Nothing in there about the battle being started TO GET the plans. Besides which, now Leia looks like a retard telling Vader she was on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.

  • CM Chunk

    Actually, it makes her look like she’s using every trick she has available.

  • Willrow Hood

    The biggest problem with the AT-ATs in this movie was that they were completely inconsequential. The Rebels on the ground had no plan to destroy them, they just seemed to show up out of nowhere.

    Machine Gun guy (who cares about these character’s names right?) sees them and shoots one of them IN THE FACE with a bazooka. It has no effect. Oh shit, these things are tough! We’re going to have to have some kind of plan to take these things out. Maybe they’ll need to figure out a way to trip them. Or use grappling hooks to set charges on a vulnerable part of them. So I’m preparing for an intense action scene and then the X-Wings show up and blow them all up within 30 seconds. Oh.

    All the AT-ATs did was kill some unnamed characters before some other unnamed character blew them up. They were a complete disappointment.

    But that’s basically the whole movie.Think about your favourite scenes in the movie and then think about how many of those scenes involve the main characters. Darth Vader kills a bunch of unnamed rebels. Some unnamed rebels push a Star Destroyer into another Star Destroyer. Unnamed characters fight an AT-ST in an urban environment. Unnamed characters destroy AT-ATs. Nobody is saying their favourite part was when a main character had to connect a cable or flip a switch or align a satellite dish.

  • doctorr

    “Tactical analysis… he just said it was a visual designed to remind us that the Empire was still in control.”

    Yeah I heard that. It was a visual designed to remind us the Empire was in control that made no practical sense as a military vehicle. IT just looked cool in a movie in 1980, which is why Plinkett now has a problem seeing one in a movie in 2016. Just like the monster Death Star in TFA, 100 times bigger than the original Death Star with an entire eco system living on it’s surface that somehow went from conception to operational in 30 years made no sense. You either forgive these things or you pick apart a movie for them, but they are there to be attacked from the first scene of A New Hope if that’s your inclination.

    “So they deployed the Walkers to take down the shield so the star destroyers could blast it from space.”

    How did they deploy them on Hoth? Just shoot them out of a star destroyer, and let them float in space until the planet’s gravity smashed them on to the surface? Or i they had a vehicle that could transport those giant things to and from space planet’s surface, what was it? Why didn’t that vehicle have any military capacity? You know what? Never mind. Forget I asked. I enjoyed AT-ATs as a visual spectacle and I don’t need to over-analyze everything in a movie about space wizards and laser swords. I didn’t in the 70s and 80s, and I don’t in 2017 either.

    “And I know there is a star destroyer hovering in the atmosphere in the Reshoot One trailer. That’s why the movie sucks.”

    Yeah I thought that was lame also. But not lame enough for me to reject the whole movie and not as much as the plot in TFA being almost exactly the same as ANH disappointed me a year ago.

  • Justin McGovney

    The question I have for those who love Rogue One, thought it was great/best in the series or whatever is this:

    What does Rogue One do to differentiate itself, not only from the Star War Universe but from other sci-fi films of the today? What things does Rogue One do that you can’t find in, let’s say, Star Trek Into Darkness or Edge of Tomorrow, besides the obvious things connected to Star Wars? If Rogue One was a stand-alone film with no other Star Wars films previously made, then what is it in its content that makes it great?

  • Captain Turbo

    So did my box of Star Wars macaroni and cheese.

  • HorseyFace

    It’s the part where Protagonist A makes a rousing speech about fighting the bad guys.

  • Justin McGovney

    I think we have an apologist here.

  • Captain Turbo

    The full-frontal nudity.

  • Even by that standards of sci-fi and fantasy there are some speeches in this movie that are cheesier than Italian food.

  • HorseyFace

    You didn’t like the part where Protagonist B lectures the whipper snapper about the true cost of war? And then Protagonist C says he’s too tired and just lets himself die? That was inspired stuff, right there.

  • doctorr

    I don’t know about that. It’s impossible to know how entertaining Rogue One would be without the rest of the franchise. That would mean you never saw the Star Wars Universe before; you would never seen the cool ships and gadgets, weapons and aliens that are a huge part of why the OT is amazing. If all that never existed before, and R1 was the first time they were introduced to audiences, I’m betting people would love R1.

  • Justin McGovney

    There would be people who might. I personally wouldn’t because the characters were extremely boring. I can’t even remember the names of most of the characters, even the robot which was the one I liked the most! I couldn’t stand Donnie Yen’s blind monk character though because his only purpose was to get the crew out of normally fatal situations. Essentially, he was a Deus ex machina.

    I just feel that there is no substance to Rogue One and the only thing propping it up is that it’s a part of Star Wars.

  • Justin McGovney

    Empire is entertaining because the characters of Han, Luke, Leia, C-3PO, Chewbacca, Yoda, Lando, Vader, and even R2-D2 all had personality and likable traits to get you invested in the story they were a part of. So you can watch Empire without seeing A New Hope and still be entertained.

    I don’t see any of that with the characters of Rogue One.

  • doctorr

    Yeah I’m familiar with the reference. I just don’t hear any defenders of R1 saying anything similar to that for why they enjoyed the movie, so I don’t get the joke.

    I feel similarly to you about this movie. It was entertaining. Could have been better, could have been worse. I do wish they’d have developed the characters more, but I enjoyed being back in the Star Wars universe for a few hours, I enjoyed the movie’s tactile, gritty practical effects feel, which is a big part of the OTs successful and why the prequels were such failures. I liked seeing Vader exhibiting bad assery that didn’t look somewhat lame based on a limitations of special effects in the 70s and 80s but also didn’t look like some choreographed space sword dance like in the prequels.

    “But, when you have people who like something, they will do all they can to tell you that your opinion is wrong and you need to be converted to loving it like they do.”

    See? I’m getting the opposite feeling. RLM and their ‘fan boys’ (hate that term what’s good for the goose…) are here to explain to you why R1 sucks and why anyone who doesn’t agree and enjoyed the movie is a mouth breathing idiot.

  • peterablex

    When’s the next BotW? Tired of this shit

  • Let’s say I got to a circus. There are 8 clowns dancing around.

    Clowns 1, 2, and 3 are not very good dancers, but they are flashy and kids seem to like them at least.
    4, 5, and 6 are the ones who’ve been doing it the longest, they taught the others most of their stuff.
    7 is as flashy as 1-3 and has all the same moves as 4.

    And then there is another clown who is standing between 3 and 4 but isn’t wearing a number. He is dressed like a clown, and a flashy one at that. But he isn’t dancing like the others and he appears to be muttering incoherently about war and misery.

    Maybe you like your clowns to mutter about war and misery, but let’s be clear, if he weren’t dressed like a clown and between the others, you probably wouldn’t find him entertaining

  • Protagonist B? Are you sure you are not thinking of ranting mentor figure?

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    Inarticulate, butthurt fanboys defending shitty movies by explaining that the opinions that are different than theirs are invalid will never stop being hilarious.

  • And just think, until the inevitable atomic war caused by an inept president we can look forward to people bitching about Star Wars on the annual.

  • doctorr

    You do realize that RLM and their fanboys are here explaining are so butthurt that some people liked these movies, that they are making video after video telling us this movie sucked and anyone who has a different opinion is invalid?

  • Justin McGovney

    Yeah I don’t think anyone is an idiot for loving the movie. I don’t understand why but preference is preference.

    I personally don’t get that vibe with the guys from RLM (Plinkett is designed to be offensive so I see where that’s coming from). I mostly see people who love the movie tell me why I’m wrong for not seeing the masterpiece as it is.

    But yeah, it does happen both ways. I’ve just seen one side of it mostly, probably because of the opinion I have.

  • doctorr

    Yeah well I’m definitely not going to argue that the characters should have been more developed, or that it was anywhere near as good as ANH or ESB. I still liked the movie though, and it inspired me to rewatch the OT. TFA didn’t do that and had worse offenses, if you ask me.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I reject the movie for many many many other reasons. All which i saw while watching a few 5 minute segments while waiting for other movies to start.

    There is a definite difference between space ships and air ships in the OT.

    That seems to be the rule in the OT. Speeders are the only things that can travel at high speeds in atmosphere, land, snow or cloud city “speeders”.

    That’s why the Rebels used them and had to “adapt them to the cold.” If X-Wings worked in atmosphere, just adapt X-Wings.

    Maybe the Empire had speeders but they were not adapted to the cold.

    Transport ships are slow and lumbering in atmosphere in the OT which makes them extremely vulnerable to ground fire.

    Look how easily the ATATs shrugged off laser fire, even from huge turrents.

    It all makes sense if you think it through.

  • Derrick Cryderman

    When will we get more Salad Unboxing videos?

  • Troll Prince The White

    I don’t care if you like Disney Wars. Just don’t tell me shit like “Star Wars is back” or try to claim that any of DW is anywhere near the OT.

  • Alexander Hernandez

    You say in your video “If it were a movie on its own without
    sequels and prequels or a pre-established universe it would be the worst movie
    ever” but that’s the thing it’s not on its own, the prequels, sequels, and
    established universe exists, and I think Disney knows that the majority of the
    human race who has access to a theater or dvd player know what Star Wars is. Personally
    I don’t think they have to spend too much time explaining these things and they
    can just keep focusing on moving the story forward instead of adding pointless
    exposition that most viewers already know. In your example you used
    Ghostbusters 2 were they take a quick scene to explain what happened in between
    the films, but that’s all they did. The first scene where they use the
    protonpacks in the courthouse, they don’t stop and explain what proton packs
    are, they just say “it’s been a couple of years since we used this stuff” and “the
    power cells have a life of 5000 years”. Using my best Plinket impersonation I
    would say “what haven’t you used in over a year” and “what has a power cell
    that last 5000 years? Then later in the same scene they throw the device to
    trap ghost you would say “what that thing? Why does it capture the ghost?” I
    think it’s clear to say that every time an expansion to a film universe either it’s
    a direct sequel or a side story comes out, the creators can assume the audience
    going in knows a little bit about what the fuck they are watching.

  • doctorr

    I definitely wouldn’t argue that the new Star Wars movies have been as good as the orginals. But if you want to call Rogue One ”Disney Wars” then you should say the same about TFA whcih RLM loved.

  • Troll Prince The White

    My favorite part was when Calrissian Endor fell to his death and then unexpectedly came back and shot Admiral Mushmouth from off-screen to save the heroine. One of the defining character moments of the film.

  • thecityismychurch

    Is not selling enough tickets in China a “normally fatal situation”?

  • “The movie was made as a ‘part’ of a story, rather than a whole…”

    But the title says “A Star Wars Story,” not “A Part Of A Star Wars Story, Rather Than A Whole.”

  • Angela

    I know, right?

  • DeadWife

    The crazy thing is that on a 200 million budget they are unable to make a story that makes sense with the original.

  • Willrow Hood

    >Then again, the fact so many people are making comments like, “who cares about characters!?” and “it doesn’t need to be an in-depth character study to be a good movie” just helps to cement my opinion that most people should never produce, direct, or write films…or any other media.

    And these people are missing the fact that with a little effort it is possible to have movies with big action scenes and decent characters. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.

  • doctorr

    “That’s why the Rebels used them and had to “adapt them to the cold.” If X-Wings worked in atmosphere, just adapt X-Wings.”

    X-Wings did work in atmosphere. Luke flew one off Hoth to Dagobah and then to Cloud City (even though they are described as ‘short range fighters’ in ANH). Another technicality to shit on in the OT, if that’s you’re inclination (and something you should shit on if you want to shit on the AT ATs in R1 and be consistent)

  • Jon

    I’ll always enjoy your work, Mr Plinkett and RLM crew. You’re funny, and you put films in a proper perspective. Plus, you have every right to your opinion.

    I enjoyed Rogue One a lot, but I’m surprised you did not say much about the horribly misplaced cameos of R2D2 and C3PO. For me, that was probably the biggest mistake in the film.

    For all the flaws, the film grew on me, so I can’t fault them too much. But I still have fun when you talk about these films.

    Have an awesome 2017.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I totally agree.

    I think they – like a lot of people – were caught up in the “motion” and the “competence” of it.

    Compared to the prequels it was very kinetic and “thrill-ridey”.

    Also compared to the PT, there was no leaden acting, no anvils of dialogue than fell off the screen and no flat lifeless characters.

    And I agree with that. It was made in familiar, professional way that didn’t offend people with it’s lack of style.

    Except for me it passed write through OT territory into an almost sit-com sensibility. It reminded me a lot a snarky TV show.

    I think they will revisit it.

  • TomKemp

    I could accept all the criticism if RLM hadn’t heaped so much praise on that complete dogshit The Force Awakens. That movie is so damn dumb and stupid. I’ve never liked a single thing Abrams has ever made. Not one thing.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    and once again we got proof that the gang doesnt give a fuck about the disqus-threads and prefer to read shitty Ytube-comments. so much for “comment below”.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Yeah… but look how they flew… like levitating… very slow. I never said the transports didn’t work in the atmosphere but they are slow and lumbering like other space ships.

    When are they called “short range fighters?” I honestly don’t remember.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    but I get the point, mike. I really do and understand your opinion. but dont give up that torture-device-for-the-modern-ages in 2017. its also a survival-tool through those newly-reloaded-dark-ages-to-come. please?

  • And Star Wars isn’t?

    It has “war” IN THE FREAKING TITLE.

  • B. Warren

    I wonder what george lucas thought of the movie? Maybe he’ll come by for a review?

  • Admiral Bone-to-Pick

    Aw man, Mr Plinkett didn’t cite any of my comments – what an honour that would have been! I need to start being more insulting, or use worse spelling.

  • xDiscipleOfTheWatchx

    How much of this could have been solved with an opening crawl and less studio interference? I liked Rogue One as a Star Wars movie more than I liked the Force Awakens, which I found to be shallow and annoying, although well made. But it is definitely a deeply flawed project and could have been much better. Mr Plinkett’s observations are right on the money.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    was curious and looked up his filmography; neither do I (well, ok, I liked “lost” in the beginning quite a lot, but that went down the toilet pretty fast too)

  • doctorr

    We’ll see. As it stands, as someone who found things to enjoy about both TFA and R1 but who understands their flaws, the thing that annoys me about RLM’s take on R1 is how inconsistent it is with regards to their take on TFA. I mean maybe the characters were somewhat better developed in TFA but the fucking plot was ANH. At least R1 told a new story.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Plinkett didn’t give it a pass.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    you didnt saw the video, right? or maybe mute? I liked the film very much, but I DO get plinketts points.

  • Alexander Hernandez

    What does that even mean? Not make sense wit the original? They went to get the thing that told them how to destroy the other thing, Get out of here with that vague shit. This movie has a lot of problems in it for sure, No character development , terrible passing, no one really cared when they all died at the end, and so on. But Not make sense with the original? What is there to even make sense with its a prequel to it.

  • Troll Prince The White

    STFU, idiot.

    Either he’s a Russia agent or he’s going to start a nuclear war.

    Both are equal retarded but at least you can try to be consistently retarded.

    So which is it? Is he Putin’s best bud or is he going to nuke them?

    Wait… I see.. I get it… Putin put Trump in SO Trump would nuke Russia because Putin wants a nuclear war.

    Obvious really…

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    think the part with that money-chart was just trolling. its plinkett, right? that old prick forgets everything he says in under 30 secs.

  • The war will be with China. Russia “wins” by staying out.

  • doctorr

    I don’t know if I saw the RLM review. Here Plinkett is giving it a pass, and RLM gushed over TFA in their review about a year or so ago.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Exactly.

    Also Vader says that the plans were beamed to the ship by Rebel spies.

    Disney doesn’t give A FUCK about any continuity. They are just in it for the money shots… because execs know fan boys each that shit up. And that who is making these movies. Suits.

  • Slograman

    Thanks for reading the comments and responding, but you kind of went for some low-hanging fruit. It’s pretty easy to defend yourself against knuckleheads who failed grammar school and do not proofread their own comments, but hey, your site, your battleground, I suppose.

    Rog won was teh best tho and I will will unsubscrib. There, I’ll get featured on the next video.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Jesus… there point is that there is nothing interesting enough going on with these characters and the action to have it be a good movie on it’s own.

    It’s just not written very well at all. It has no memorable moments.

  • Troll Prince The White

    yeah… i felt like they were holding back. Just me.

  • RLMkeepitup

    theres a rumor he liked it more than force awakens, but less than episode I

  • Deplorable Citizen Seven

    TFA was meh at best, completely forgettable save for the vague feeling that one wasn’t annoyed for two hours. A lot like the other big Disney franchise, the MCU.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Good. That will be over quickly. We can shoot down all their weak-ass ICBMs. All 30 of them. And rain thousands of them on their cities.

    China loses.

  • moisan4 .

    Thank you, RLM for another great year of laughs and entertainment.

  • Steven Gibbs

    Rogue one reminds me of a movie where everyone has Qui gonn Jin’s ‘personality’. Remember that whole “describe to me the characters of episode 1” thing RLM did? That goes double for this movie. I can’t even remember any of their names!

  • bernverdnardo

    TFA and R1 were both equally as dumb. These guys were high when they saw TFA.

  • clementine

    The trouble with this film and The Force Awakens was that they were both assembled by large committees of people all trying to protect their asses. Say what you like about George Lucas – that he’s a cunt, say – but his vision was clear and that’s why his films, even the worst ones, have coherent arcs.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    well, “thousands” is a bit farfetched; the US got 440 ICBMs. aint the 80′ anymore. but all of them are still locked on russian targets.

  • Troll Prince The White

    And those can’t be changed. They have 440 missiles. With 6 to a dozen MRVs each. So thousands. And China can’t do MRVs.

  • clementine

    Spingbong Nuht
    Nertz Twangling
    Wanglo Ding
    Governor Gonaht
    Spaz Wobblie
    Rafe Lipschitz CPA
    Pinglepanglepong 2, The Comical Robut.

  • Troll Prince The White

    They mentioned in the HITB review. As “distracting”.

  • VvdD

    Most people defending Rogue One aren’t saying it’s the best movie ever, they are defending it in contrast with the comically overhyped TFA. Rogue One isn’t a good movie, but it’s Citizen Kane compared to the boardroom directed, politics driven, dummy test audience approved panderfest that is the Force Awakens.

  • SnareRiff

    RLM has officially Jumped the Shark.

  • clementine

    Can I also recommend this youtube girl’s take on Rogue One. She’s like a young, sexy Rich Evans in her opinions.

    Google Jenny Nicholson , Top 10 Worst Reasons You Liked Rogue One

  • clementine

    Would you suggest they were a kind of fraud, perhaps? What kind?

  • Troll Prince The White

    Implying Reshoot One wasn’t just as micro-managed as TFA.

    They are both retarded as hell.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    fear-monger?!? what do you mean? just gettin your numbers right, wiki:

    “Current missiles carry a single warhead.”

    but ja, thats of course changeable, if you shit on international agreements on nuclear weapons.

  • VvdD

    True, but one irritated me far less than the other. Perhaps because Rogue One isn’t trying to repeatedly smash me over the head with blatant gender politics..

    STOP HOLDING MY HAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Tom Slothvo

    Sars Warts is for kidz.
    Why are grown man-children still arguing about this tripe?
    Maybe they should focus their efforts on moving out of mommy’s basement.
    And perhaps they should at least attempt to watch a decent movie
    Instead of fighting incessantly about a blatant cash-grab designed to sell toys.

  • VvdD

    I’d say the hack fraud kind.

  • Troll Prince The White

    sorry dude, i was talking to the other guy. I didn’t see you were a different person.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    yep, she’s neat: saw her vid of why the dark side didnt make sense few days ago. nerdy.

    but nobody, absolutly NOBODY is as sexy as rich evans is.

  • Troll Prince The White

    It still had a completely unqualified criminal in charge of the mission. Because her dad or some shit. R2 has the plans to the Death Star they didn’t make him the leader.

  • VvdD

    We make too few spelling mistakes.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    cause we got nothing else to do in mamas basement, didnt you know?

  • Ernest Aquilio

    So many butt hurt people about a movie they will forget about soon enough. I am a big fan of the Star Wars ethos and I gave this film a 5.5 out of 10 for the reasons Plinkett covered. Yeah its STAR WARS… no, it wasn’t all that. In this case the hype precluded the effectiveness of the story. Also, this is my opinion, don’t let it butt hurt YOUR opinion.

    Keep on keeping on Mr. Plinkett. What are next?

  • Tom Slothvo

    Mebbe get a jerb?
    Or, at the very least, watch sum decent movie-films?

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    and?

  • VvdD

    Both movies pretty much use paper thin motivations to drive people from one scene to the next… why is everyone looking for Luke Skywalker again? Is him waving his lightsaber going to make death star 2.0 go away?

  • Tom Slothvo

    So RLM is Fonzie?
    That’s pretty cool!

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    you ARE a troll, arent ya? than lets troll together, shall we?

  • notenough

    What is this, ‘Commentaires sur la société du spectacle’ of the movie reviews?
    To think about it, Plinkett does look like if Guy Debord lived for another 25 years after shooting himself

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    just four words: balance of the force. sure its bullshit, but hey: space-wizards.

  • Tom Slothvo

    This movie is for childrens
    And it’s crap.
    No one cares.
    Fanbois will defend it because they are stoopids.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    thank you: that was my first laughter in this webzone today.

  • VvdD

    It’s harder to make fun of opposing arguments when they aren’t littered with spelling mistakes. YouTube is known for being the cesspool of comments. It makes perfect sense they would ignore this message board.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    wadda ya mean? like “pixels”?

  • Troll Prince The White

    Totally… they are what we used to call “Plotskis”. Nothing comes from character.

    Just make RayRay a slave girl who fixes ships for the fat guy. One of the ships she is fixing for him is the Falcon – hidden under a tarp so we don’t know it’s the Falcon – and she sits at the controls and pretends to by flying in. She yearns to be a pilot. You could even have a scene where she talks herself through some crazy flying moves.

    Then all of her weird skills make sense from a character perspective plus it gives her much mroe depth.

    And the fat guy could call the Falcon something else which could pay off in a later scene with Solo when she tells him the name of the ship.

    Setup – pay off.

    And I thought of that instantaneously. Just goes to show Disney DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK about the audience.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Yes.
    Pixels deserves all the Oscars.
    Everyone go watch Pixels!

  • Troll Prince The White

    No, I made a mistake. The other guy was fearmongering about Trump.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    pretty violent and depressing for kids, dont you think?

  • Tom Slothvo

    Its for kidz.
    Check the toy aisle at your local store.
    The only reason Disney is making these movies is to sell toys to kidz.
    Deal with it.

  • Knight_ldr

    I feel “Rogue One” was a better fit for a “Best of the Worse” episode, probably would have won too, probably…

    I mean the ending was a foregone conclusion, they do get he plans to the rebels, so all we had was the “how” and the “whom” and we didn’t get enough development to care about the whom.

    Also it has pretty big continuity flaw, the separatists at the end episode 3 have the plans, yet here they were done by the Empire, so which one is it?

  • Tom Slothvo

    If it was on BOTW it would have been the worst movie they’ve watched to date.

  • VvdD

    I agree with you, yet I’d argue they care TOO much about the audience.

    You want to know the real reason everyone is looking for Luke Skywalker? It’s because Disney knows that WE the audience want to see him… so they just pretend every character in the movie does too.

    Another example, apart from her having great potential in the force, how does Rey even know she can mind control the guard with the force? No one told or showed her… Doesn’t matter, the audience knows the Jedi mindtrick, even the casual crowd knows that’s a thing. So magically every character in the movie also knows.

    This is my biggest complaint with these new movies, instead of trying to tell a good coherent story, they are trying to manipulate the audience in every scene. And it drove me nuts, not being able to break away from realising this.

  • Knight_ldr

    Had it being for adults we would have had blood, guts and developed characters so we care about their deaths and no funny robot.

    Think Saving Private Ryan within Star Wars, Hell I cared more about the death of the medic in Private Ryan, which was just a secondary character, then the whole cast dying in Rogue One.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    as you said, toys for kidz, pixels for parents, everbody go see pixels, someone told me.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Yes.
    Pixels is the best movie of 2016.
    Rogue one is Shit for stoopids.
    I’m glad we agree.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    so do I.

    anybody saw my bong? it was right here…

  • Tom Slothvo

    How did you misplace your bong?
    Were you mebbe going to a kidz movie about stoopids in space?

  • VvdD

    Pretty much this. Great movies are always the vision of one man, supported by a skilled crew. All a boardroom directed movie can hope to be is just ok.

  • MichaelKz

    YouTube viewers always lose their shit over these kinds of videos.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Shot?
    Do you mean shit?

  • Fartastic

    I don’t know how they’ll do it, but I’m sure Disney’s legal team and production experts will make Carrie Fisher physically appear in the next Stat Wars movies.

  • Valentine Donegan

    Y’all motherfuckers need Jesus!

    It’s an outrage!

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    got it; was in my left hand, which is odd given the fact that I am normaly holding the booze there.

  • MichaelKz

    CGI Leia stole Carrie Fisher’s soul.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Booze in the right.
    Drugz in the left!
    Grow the fuck up fer chrissakes!

  • Empire didn’t just reference the Force and other elements of the movie, it actually built on them. In the original Star Wars basically all that’s said about the force is “it’s an energy field” and later on Luke is told to “use it”. There was that little moment with the training ball thing and that was it. As clearly depicted in this video, Yoda indeed does bring up “energy field”… but then you have the entire section of the movie where he’s training with him and filling him with spiritual knowledge. That’s more than a past reference, that actually added context to the Force, it helped us as an audience understand what it “was” a little better. And even though it’s cliche now to have everybody be related to everybody in Star Wars, revealing Vader as Luke’s father actually added more emotional depth to Luke’s character. Things weren’t just referenced, they were fleshed out.

  • VvdD

    Haha

  • Tom Slothvo

    She had one?!

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    I do. promise. right after I see pixels.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Good.
    Cuz it’s amazing.
    Kevin James should be a shoe-in for best supporting actor.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    of course they will; filming is wrapped.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Good point. I’ve talked about that mind trick as well and have people say that MC Ren did some mind magic on her so she knew that it was possible.

    What-fucking-ever.

    In that case why didn’t Luke mind-trick the entire Death Star?

    Those manipulations can be termed a kind of fan service. Like RLM says “these are things I know!”

    They bend and break all kinds of things that true fans – not fanboys cumming over laser swords – have a real problem with.

    Star Destroyers hovering over cities? Why didn’t they do that on Hoth?

    X-Wings operating in atmosphere? Why didn’t they have them on Hoth?

    The worst is when Han and TFA crew watched planets light years away being blown up in the sky in REAL TIME.

    Hilarious. Disney doesn’t give a fuck about it’s audience because it’s audience is stupid.

  • DoobzMcgee

    It would have been cool if Ip- Man took out hordes of stormtroopers Kung- Fu movie style. It also would have been cool if Forrest Whittaker’s character changed his Darth Vader depends so he could have ran faster.

  • Tom Slothvo

    “true fans” = fanbois cumming over laser swords.
    Let’s be honest.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Why does Ghost Dog Way of the Samurai say, “Our world is coming apart…”? Shouldn’t it be, “Our universe is coming apart…”? Were they too self aware? 😀

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    that outfleshing of rayray of yours is actually pretty good.

  • Tom Slothvo

    It should be “stupid fucking white man”

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    That’s DEAD MAN YOU FUCK! 😉

  • Tom Slothvo

    And Ghost Dog.
    And life.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Jim Jarmusch confirmed for director of next Star Wars spinoff! It’s gonna be Mystery Train in…SPACE.

  • frankelee

    I hope these videos continue forever.

    Also did he just do a drive-by suggesting TFA was good because of how much money it made? Does this mean Mr. Plinkett’s now wrapping his lips around Avatar’s large, blue penis because it must be the besterest movie ever given how much it made?

    (Oh I know, Mike would say he was just making a subtler point and you can’t in anyway hold it up to scrutiny because the target keeps moving… But TFA still blew.)

  • Tom Slothvo

    Highly unlikely.
    He doesn’t make shit.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    I still haven’t seen Only Lovers… I need to fix that.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Only Lovers > all Sars Warts

  • Fartastic

    Starring Bill Murray as melancholic Palpatine.

  • frankelee

    It was a really good video, but I wanna see her ID before I put her ahead of Rich Evans on my Bucket Fuck List.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Thanks. Probably the easiest thing to fix in that movie.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Bill Murray doesn’t make poo like Star Wars.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    thats right; just makes poo like GB2016. and 2.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    ^ He has you there.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    I would believe that.

  • nooodles

    Dear knight and tom – hate to disagree with you both. I saw the original in the cinema when both of you were little whisps of your parents imagination. I stand by it. Rogue 1 was OK. I enjoyed it.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Still better than any Star Wars film
    Same goes for the GB reboot.

  • Adez

    Who thought Mike knows about anime like Naruto, isn’t he like 50

  • Tom Slothvo

    Star wars…
    2 good movies
    Six shitty movies.
    Time to move on.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Is that like Robotech, but bad?

  • nooodles

    i agree. It was a moment for me too.

  • Adez

    Nah more like YuYu Hakusho, but boring

  • Troll Prince The White

    hell no. I love the OT. Like it was probably the most important thing to me until the PT destroyed it. I used to play it continually on a TV in my office.

    To me it was something magically. I loved anything SW from the radio dramas, to the expanded universe books to the comic books.

    Once the PT came out I was kind of done with all of it.

    Didn’t watch it again until about 5 years later when i got the laser discs. Because fuck giving Lucas any money for those DVDs.

    Still haven’t watched it since.

    But i never bought any action figures after i was 10. Or owned a plastic lightsaber.

  • Adez

    I thought Donnie Yen explained the force better than the prequels, make it less of a X Men gene superpower thing

  • Tom Slothvo

    But you like’um the new stuffs?!

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    So it’s like Dragon Ball but with MORE words? O_o

  • Adez

    I’m glad I got year discount on my local arthouse for Christmas, because I’m bored of these fanboys movies

    Lately I care less of fanboys stuff, but I was usually casual about this stuff, frankly we shoulx be a bit more casual with these franchises and just likes movies on their own rather than some logo

    I thought Donnie Yen character explained the force well

  • Willrow Hood

    Oh yes, that was just before they had to run like hell to get to the beach so their inevitable death would have a more epic backdrop. I love it when characters realize they’re in a movie and do things solely to make the cinematographer happy.

  • Adez

    Sure, and more emo

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    UGH…*goes back to watching JoJo.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Logo = money.
    Nothing else matters.
    Cinema is dead.

  • clementine

    I’m going to allow it.

    He’s like a magnificent tawny beast, threatening and alluring at the same time, a dugong, perhaps, or a hippo.

  • Adez

    Personally I like Kill La Kill, and I’m pretty picky about anime

    I finished like 5 shows this decade

  • Troll Prince The White

    I hate the Disney Wars. They are just as bad as the PT but for different reasons.

    Disney Wars doesn’t try anything new. The PT did, which made it a noble failure when Lucas wasn’t failing to understand his own damn franchise.

    Not only does Disney not understands it, they are actively turning it into something else.

    Kind of like what Nerd Glasses did with Star Trek.

  • Tom Slothvo

    So we should all agree to stop giving them money.
    NEXT!!!

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Same. I don’t watch much either. JoJo and Fist of the North Star are the most recent things I’ve watched. Bebop and Big O round out that list. I will check the one you mentioned out.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    “do you think james cameron would donate the huge profits to some indigenous african tribe? JEAH PROBABLY NOT!”

  • Troll Prince The White

    Absolutely. I skipped Dr. Strange and didn’t pay to watch the few minutes of Reshoot One I could stomach.

    “Don’t choke on your ambition.”

    HAHAHAHAHAH

  • Otto Tomato

    So ummmm you went the wrong route with the ATATs since they are a variant used to transport the cargo and with the odd terrain they actually make a decent cargo transport hence why they easily destroyed due to the weak sides.

  • Troll Prince The White

    So retarded… it would have been much better if they were still at the top of the tower and we like “Get to shuttle we can still make it” and then the death star fires and they are like “oh well” and sit down and start telling each other random things they will never get to do. Could have set that up easily.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    as long as stuff like “ex_machina” or “under the skin” is made, cinema wont be dead. or “fury road” as an expensive example (well, yeah, gotta kind of a logo). its like it always was; roughly 90-95% shit and a few real diamonds, even in the high-budget-segment.

  • Omis

    Yes R1 was a bad movie but it’s better than TFA. These Plinkett videos seem more about defending their review of TFA than R1. Pretty obvious they got swept up in TFA’s hype and are regretting their glowing review. Now they are putting one Plinkett video after another to justify liking the inferior movie.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Is Jesus the head of Disney, selling me more things like he’s a farmer and I am his merry crop? If so, I need Jesus.

  • Tom Slothvo

    So 95% shit. 5% watchable.
    Gotit!
    And yes.
    Fury Road is great.
    Despite the “logo”.

  • Jaws Lucas

    The point is people, the more money a movie made, the better it must be! TFA, check it out, it made a billion dollars, it must be good right?

  • Tom Slothvo

    Slothvo likes movies with boobs.
    Sars Warts = no boobs.
    Slothvo no like Sars Warts.

  • Omis

    Slothvo needs cream for those warts.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Youtube comments are just a bit more depressing and unpleasant than a date rape in junior high. The date rape in question occurs in some fat kid’s Star Wars themed bedroom and the victim has a Darth Vader pillow case shoved in their mouth to muffle their calls for help.

  • Tom Slothvo

    No cream will cure the Sars created by Star Wars.

  • Tom Slothvo

    These are Disqus comments.
    They’re marginally better.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    For Disqus, change the pillow case from Star Wars to Star Trek. Or maybe Battle Star Galactica reboot.

  • Do you have a copy of Jane’s Imperial Armoured Vehicles?

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    but booze can. kinda.

  • Tom Slothvo

    I don’t care about that stuffs.
    MST3K is the only sci-fi show worth mentioning.

  • Tom Slothvo

    *chugs scotch*

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    This is fact.

  • Troll Prince The White

    that is awesome. and i forgot it was “aspirations” and not “ambitions”… guess “don’t choke on your ambitions” would have been too cheesy and on-the-nose… fucking assholes

  • The fanboys make out at night with their Darth Vader pillows.

  • MichaelKz

    Aside from the Transformers movies, most big box office movies are at least pretty good. Transformers really lowered the bar for movies that are shit.

  • Tom Slothvo

    By the time the sun rises,
    Vader is white and crusty

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Pretty sure there is a market for Princess Leia Bikini anime fuck pillows. Especially now.

  • Tom Slothvo

    They are all shit.
    Your bar has been lowered.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I agree. I’m not sure if it was Deadpool being so much more enjoyable than the CA: Fan Service or TFA stench rubbing of on Marvel but I can’t really stomach any of these Disney fanchises any more.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Wish David Mamet would make movies again or someone like him.

    Fury Road makes a lot more sense than Disney Wars but it is also a little bit of a plotski.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Saw it in the theater then too. Rouge One is trash. Jedi Academy and Shadows of the Empire games have a better story. 😀

  • Troll Prince The White

    That was drugs and alcohol.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Speaking from experience? are we..

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    “The worst is when Han and TFA crew watched planets light years away being blown up in the sky in REAL TIME.”

    thats not disney, thats just JJs bullshit. did the exact same thing with vulcan in ST, remember? do you know the DISTANCE between STARS, JJ?!?

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    I was the receiver. Plz don’t make light of my assault. I shudder every time I hear the Imperial March theme.

  • So meta.

  • C3-PO and R2-D2 have entered Stan Lee cameo territory.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    The use of “Meta” should be band along with “literally” and “nightmare fuel”. I am currently drafting up legislation to make this a reality.

  • Tom Slothvo

    My pillow case had Jar Jar on it.

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    Jar Jar looked like my attacker.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Meesa gunna rape yu!

  • Troll Prince The White

    I forgot that. But someone should have fucking stopped him. He is such a hateable douche. I hope he gets assaulted by one of the men who fuck his wife.

  • Tom Slothvo

    I literally find all the meta references in the new Star Wars film to be nothing more than nightmare fuel.

  • RLMkeepitup

    the special edition of force awakens will include them somehow

  • Band! I Meta Band once. It was Barenaked Ladies.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    but it cant beat pixels. thats for sure.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Pixels is a gursh-dermed classic!
    Anyone who speaks ill of it is a fool!

  • Tom Slothvo

    Why are the ads telling me to date arab women?
    What the heck is going on?!

  • It’s a ISIS honeypot!

  • MoaKaka

    RLM was burned by criticism for liking Ep VII too much. It’s more embarrassing to like a movie that others don’t, than to hate a movie that others like. So, being gun-shy, they went overboard trying to show how much they didn’t like Rogue One, even though it really is an entertaining movie. Because it’s better to hate an entertaining movie, than to risk embarrassment again. Hopefully they will grow the balls to like what they like in the future, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Well, this gurl has nice boobs.
    I would date her.
    But I don’t think she would date me.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    sure its a plotski with someone called rockatanksy; so fucking what? the delivering is fucking PERFECT!

  • Tom Slothvo

    It was a shitty movie
    Get over it.

  • Willrow Hood

    Dude there’s so many things wrong with this movie I don’t think there’s any way to fix it.

  • Troll Prince The White

    yeah, i loved that FR when it came out. told everyone to go see it. It’s definitely the best, most original action movie in years or decades. The world-building insane. That was the best character in the movie.

  • The balls to like what they like? Have you heard Jay list the movies he likes? (And btw the movies he ((amazingly)) hasn’t seen?)
    Going Rogue One directed by Sarah Palin was a corporate checklist embellished by an unimaginative director then cut to pieces and 40% re-shot per order of the suits. In other words, you really need to demand more from the movies. Fanboys are too complacent about the quality of the film.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Fanboys like shit!
    Mangia, mangia, mangia!

  • Otto Tomato

    It says literally EVERYWHERE that they are All Terrain – armored CARGO Transports
    They don’t look the same as an AT-AT, less weaponry, and I thought it quite obvious that they have a giant loading ramp on the side instead of extra armor.

  • Tom Slothvo

    ^^^ fanboi.

  • Troll Prince The White

    yes… it just pisses me off that i can think of better character payoffs in a minute than those idiots at Disney could in years.

  • I don’t recall disagreeing with you.
    Wow, sensitive.

  • Great, so now we’ll have to check whether they’re AT-ATs or AT-ACTs before we feel the dread a la The Empire Strikes Back.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Yup, you’re right, it’s time you guys made love.

  • Tom Slothvo

    I hadda take the ACTs in high school.
    They sukt!

  • Tom Slothvo

    Commence to cocksucking!
    Jaws demands it!

  • I rode in the Suck Ass Transports (SATs)

  • Jaws Lucas

    So basically you’re saying, you just wish you were William Shatner. Don’t worry captain, we all do.

  • Tom Slothvo

    A double dumb-ass on you!

  • Jaws Lucas

    Fine, get your pants off then :p

  • Tom Slothvo

    *takes off pants*

  • Don’t say Rogue One was humorless!
    I laughed out loud in the theater when the Alliance Council meeting descends into confusion after Gin’s speechifying and some unseen voice from the back of the room says above the din, “What is she proposing?”

    Haha! “I was saying Boo-urns.”

  • Tom Slothvo

    I laughed out loud when I realized people were paying to see this trash at the theater.

  • Willrow Hood

    I just realized something. Rogue One has the same plot as the Godzilla remake. Main character’s mother dies in the opening scene. Main character grows up disliking father because he’s [crazy / works for the empire]. During an action scene early in the movie the main character realizes that father isn’t actually [crazy / working for the empire]. Main character then has to carry on father’s mission. Bullshit plot follows that only exists to give the forgettable characters something to do in between the scenes that the audience is actually there for (Godzilla fucking shit up / X-Wings and Darth Vader fucking shit up)

    Gareth Edwards just took the story (if you can call it that) from the Godzilla remake and replaced Godzilla with a Death Star and called it a “Star Wars Story”.

    No one noticed because everyone forgot the plot to Godzilla as soon as they left the theater.

  • nooodles

    ‘Rogue 1 is trash’ – nice critique. lol. Your words dude.

  • Hey, I got smashed on Aldebaran whiskey in the holodeck with Scotty. Closer than anyone’s been to Kirk in a century.

  • Tom Slothvo

    I don’t recall Godzilla’s mother dying.
    But it’s been a while since I seen it.

  • I don’t recall Godzilla travelling through hyperspace.

  • Jaws Lucas

    One of the best Star Trek movies there.

  • Willrow Hood

    It’s worse than that. Rogue One has basically the same plot as the Godzilla remake (also directed by Gareth Edwards) just with Godzilla replaced by the Death Star. They didn’t even bother to write a new storyline, they just jammed Star Wars references into the last movie Edwards made.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Mothra traveled through time once.
    But that was a different (better) movie.

  • A man-in-a-rubber-suit as Grand Moff Tarkin would have looked better.

  • Tom Slothvo

    All future movies should be made using suitamation!

  • I don’t what’s worse: fanboys arguing the movie doesn’t suck or fanboys arguing it sucked because of ‘SJW’ and ‘cucks’. And I don’t even know what those things mean but I can tell something is wrong with these people.

  • Willrow Hood

    You’ll be socked to learn but there were actually human characters in the movie. The main character’s father was actually played by a good actor and seemed kind of interesting so they immediately killed him off.

    This post applies to both Rogue One and Godzilla. It is the same movie after all.

  • Tom Slothvo

    You’ll be shocked to learn that if the movie is title Godzilla, then the main character is Godzilla.
    And his mother did not die in the 2014 movie-film.

  • Willrow Hood

    That’s because he only does it when he’s under water.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Don’t be such a cuck, Prickhard!

  • Willrow Hood

    You have a point there… the main *human* character then.

    Now I’m trying to think who the the main character of Rogue one was… the Death Star or just Star Wars references in general.

  • Captain Turbo

    Maybe you spend too much time masturbating.

  • Tom Slothvo

    WRONG!

    Rogue One is not a movie.
    It’s a two-hour advertisement for toys and whotnot.

  • Tom Slothvo

    That is unpossible.

  • I have been spending more time lately masturbating your mom.

  • Palpatine

    “SJW” stands for “Speedy Jakku Walker”, a type of creature found on planet Jakku that walks very fast. A “cuck” is a creature found on Naboo that Gungans hunt for food. They are, as Jar Jar would put it, “moi moi yummy!”.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    waddayamean? taking off? what pants?…that reminds me of my timezone; already 04:10 am. time to check out and change position…thank you sir, for the pleasure of the philosophical exchange with yours over the last hours. I see my world finally changed to the better, thanks to you and your truly wise words about pixels.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Rub the clit.
    But do so gently.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Pixels truly is the best film ever made.
    Puts Citizen Kane to shame.

  • Jaws Lucas

    True, considering Citizen Kane is a truly boring movie, that couldn’t be a hard task.

  • Captain Turbo

    I saw the whole movie forty years ago. It was called the opening crawl of Star Wars. (And no, it’s not “A New Hope” you fucking fanboy fucks.)

  • Captain Turbo

    Then you have incredibly poor taste.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Total dreck!
    Why do people like it so much?
    They must not have seen Jack and Jill.

  • Citizen Kane is overrated and the camera gimmicks were the Lucas-tricks of its time. But I’ll take it.

  • Captain Turbo

    You misspelled “eunuch.”

  • Your mom was poor taste.

  • Willrow Hood

    I laughed when after she gave the speech they all immediately decided to surrender.

    Meanwhile Bail Organa, a skilled public speaker who the rebels actually know and respect doesn’t get a chance to say or do anything because there’s some kind of rule that Jimmy Smits isn’t allowed to do anything in a Star Wars prequel. So he’s like “Well I guess I’ll just go to Alderaan to die now, but before go I better mention that Obi Wan Kenobi exists since that will make all the fanboys happy.”

  • Tom Slothvo

    Or maybe you’re the one with poor taste.

  • Hey-OH!

  • Captain Turbo

    She sends her regards. She also hopes you one day have an actual girlfriend.

  • Captain Turbo

    Nah, I went to private school.

  • Troll Prince The White

    HAHA! Dood… never heard that before but exactly correct. The mother even died. Holy shit…

  • Tom Slothvo

    Your mother said to clean your room/the basement when she came up for air.

  • Captain Turbo

    Are you stalking her? Pervert.

  • lol That’s right. She makes the speech…. and it fails, haha!
    Reminds of this serious documentary:
    youtube dot com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs

  • Tom Slothvo

    Yes.
    And yes.

  • Captain Turbo

    You’re cool. No homo.

  • Captain Turbo confirmed for bitter!

  • Captain Turbo

    It’s “gay.” Can’t you get anything right?

  • Troll Prince The White

    That’s pretty damn clever.

  • That’s either a decent joke or you’re a ridiculous prick. I’m going with joke.

  • Captain Turbo

    The first one.

  • Captain Turbo

    Godzilla had a plot? You fucking liar!

  • Tom Slothvo

    Giant monster fights other giant monster.
    Plot!!!

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    YES! AT LAST! thnx again and good night.

  • Troll Prince The White

    SJW = social justice warrior. The kind of people you find on Devin Faraci’s site. Or what used to be his site before he got busted for actual pussy-grabbing. A person who is constantly crusading on behalf of visible minorities in order to be “down with the cause”.

    Cuck is short for “cuckold” which is a man who knows his wife is fucking other dudes but can’t do anything about it. It’s also come to mean a man who enjoys watching his wife be fucked by other dudes. Basically is means a complete and total pussy who not only knows he is a pussy but gets some kind of thrill out of being such a huge gigantic pussy.

  • Captain Turbo

    I have no problem with “literally” as long as it’s not used in the place of “figuratively.”

  • MichaelKz

    Filthy! But a million times better than all of the hurt fanboys over on YouTube.

  • Captain Turbo

    Dammit, you’re right, man! I hang my head in shame!

  • Jaws Lucas

    So basically men just have a fascination with their dicks.

  • Tom Slothvo

    You say that like it’s a bad thing!

  • HorseyFace

    A fanatic is someone who can’t or won’t change the subject. -Winston Churchill.

    So everything these guys say on the internet revolves around “SJWs” or “cucks”. Everything. Every single subject somehow relates to SJWs. It’s amazing.

  • Ahhhhhhh, got it.
    Mark Ruffalo.

  • Tom Slothvo

    ^^^ cuck

  • What if we men had no dicks??
    What good would we be?
    We’d be rounded up and sent to the death camps!!!

  • Troll Prince The White

    Well… almost every single mainstream entity is behaving liked cucked SJWs, so it’s definitely apropos.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Not exactly.

  • HorseyFace

    What an amazingly simple and lazy way to see everything. It’s almost like we don’t have to think at all anymore! Yay! I’ve found my simplistic ideological formula! Woo!

  • Tom Slothvo

    I would kill myself.
    I need orgasms.
    And I don’t know how to achieve one without a dick.

  • Sadists write articles about the ‘runner’s high’.

  • Tom Slothvo

    If you stop thinking, you are the ideal Star Wars fan.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Sloth writes articles about the “jerker’s high”

  • Captain Turbo

    I find the term “these guys” racially offensive.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    cant go to bed with all that pictures in my head of men without dicks. but there is hope for you: anal-orgasm.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Youse guys?

  • Captain Turbo

    Better!

  • HorseyFace

    That’s nice.

  • Captain Turbo

    You’re obviously suffering from horse privilege.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    I cant go to bed with all that pictures in my head of men without dicks. but there is hope for you: anal-orgasm.

  • HorseyFace

    Oh noes.

  • I doubt any race science caliper would prove you a member of the ‘guy race’.

  • Tom Slothvo

    I’m not a man.
    I’m a sloth.
    And I have a dick.

  • Troll Prince The White

    It’s a response to the groupthink of the Left that dominates the mainstream culture.

  • Captain Turbo

    The masturbating comment really hurt your feelings, didn’t it? Sorry, dude.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Or Captain America. A pearl-clutching “friend to womyn”

  • HorseyFace

    Well something has to dominate mainstream culture.

  • “Apology accepted, Captain Turbo.”

    ….”and don’t choke on your aspirations.”

  • Tom Slothvo

    I too was deeply offended.

  • Captain Turbo

    Tom, you old scalawag. I don’t have to worry about offending you.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    works for me. my pants are off. ever thought about a trip to old hitlerland?

  • Tom Slothvo

    Sloths live in South America.
    Costa Rica mostly.
    And we move very slowly.
    So we don’t travel very often.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Ideally it would be one where true, reason and fairness reign. It’s not. And it’s not just ideology. It’s downright fraud and fakery. People got tired of trying to be civil in the face of intentional and conscious deception. Now it’s just shock and awe. I understand it.

  • HorseyFace

    Huh?

  • Captain Turbo

    Does anyone know who played that Tarkin fellow? I think he might be going places.

  • Tom Hanks

  • Troll Prince The White

    Just what I said. Reality is being manipulated to support an agenda by mainstream media. Examples abound everywhere. People got tired of being civil when dealing with the brainwashed and virulently zombified. So now they are just insulting them.

  • “I must admit, it dragged, had no character development, was designed to be predictable, and looked surprisingly cheap.
    Eight out of ten.”

  • Tom Slothvo

    His name is Bill Cosby.

  • HorseyFace

    Oh, right, that whole “society is a conspiracy” thing. You should have just said you were a reactionary and skipped all the verbiage.

  • Willrow Hood

    NO!

    It was actually just watching someone else play a video game on Twitch.

    I was surprised when a character selection screen didn’t pop up after Machine Gun Guy and Mystical Staff Guy had their first scene where they showed off their abilities.

    I wanted to select the Machine Gun Guy character class, how about you?

    The main problem was all the stupid mini-games like where they had to operate that machine to open the disk drive. Then they kept adding on extra bullshit missions to the quest like “re-align satellite dish” and “connect cable to ship”. The side quests where they fly the X-Wings around was better than the main quest.

  • IamSithAzagoth

    CGI played Tarkin, and CGI is gender neutral so watch your pronouns.

  • “Heeeyyyy, kids!” -Tom Hanks, Polar Express

  • Captain Turbo

    I love that dude! Uh, so he beat the rap?

  • There were literally (‘literally’) side quests.

  • Tom Slothvo

    I dunno.
    Maybe.

  • I saw this comment and I completely agree:
    “I swear that CGI freakshow crawled off the screen and killed Carrie Fisher.”

  • Troll Prince The White

    Nope. It’s a confederation of mutual interests. I didn’t say “society”. I said mainstream media pushes an agenda. The media that edited the Zimmerman tape, that pushed forged Bush National Guard documents, that lie about their own heroic deeds, that push falsehoods like “hands up don’t shoot”, etc, etc, etc. It only goes one way. You raise a generation of kids like that and you get the SJW. I’m just saying that i understand why people call people that. It’s our “racist” and “sexist”.

  • HorseyFace

    Yes I know, people do and say things that you don’t agree with and that are wrong and this is bad.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Fox news… it’s bad for your health.

  • Troll Prince The White

    You’re doing what they do. I just said it was the entire mainstream media… not one guy on a message board. The influence and control over tens of millions of people can’t be discounted or ignored. I mean, they got to you.

  • HorseyFace

    Did you know that people who agree with one another band together and create organizations that promote their opinion and ideology and agenda? Are we just going to sit here and let that happen!? Can we just let private capital go about deceiving all the precious childrens into believing horrible evil things, things like having female leads in movies! CAN YOU IMAGINE THE EVIL TO WHICH I REFER?!

  • Troll Prince The White

    I don’t watch Fox News. They have become more mainstream. They tried to take Trump down until he looked like was going to win. And they only reach a few million people. Fox News is a media created bogey man.

  • HorseyFace

    Well I generally don’t argue with people who know the real reality because I can’t possibly attain to such a high standard and could only argue from the lowly ground of being a simple dupe with no way to see for myself. So I guess the argument is over before it begins. Which is good. Because that is incredibly lazy and I don’t like putting too much effort into things.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Yes, Bill O’Reilly is Jesus.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Well, be ironic as much as you want. I gave you some serious examples of not just “viewpoint” or “opinion” or “mistakes” but total fraud. It’s fraud because the mistakes only go one way. If a careless waiter who can’t total the bill correctly always makes mistakes in his favor, it’s corruption.

  • HorseyFace

    If only there was a competing and viable media that makes up 50 percent of the mainstream media revenue and viewership that wasn’t left wing!

  • Jaws Lucas

    It’s all B.S. and it’s bad for ya.

  • HorseyFace

    I don’t know what to say so I’ll just call you a cuck or something. I, on the other hand, am a Teutonic knight who has lots of sex all the time for real.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Well, there isn’t. And it sucks that there has to be any. At some point the press decided that being progressive was the new objective. Being responsibly progressive is fine… the tree needs new shoots like it needs it’s roots… but all the time 24/7/365 and anyone who says different is marked with the scarlet letter? No really productive.

  • Troll Prince The White

    All what? Politics? Culture?

  • HorseyFace

    Oh. So I guess the whole right wing media complex just doesn’t exist. So I guess they just won the congress and the presidency, and will soon control the supreme court… but somehow this all happens in spite of a massive and unstoppable liberal media conspiracy! Oh what valiant men! Oh what glorious heroes! (I just kinda wish they’d stop whining all the time about everything.)

  • Jaws Lucas

    Politics is B.S. central.

  • Of course, the ultimate outcome was known by movie goers in advance, so what?! The entire cast dies in the battle for the just cause! It brings tears to your eyes but you’re heartened because you know that in events afterwards the good guys win!
    But enough about 1989’s Glory , a film starring Matthew Broderick, Morgan Feeman, and Denzel Washington who gave an Academy Award winning performance in a supporting role.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Well… OK. That’s just like… your opinion, mahn.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Trust me, I’m a doctor… kind of.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Matthew Broderick was great in Inspector Gadget, now there’s an Academy Award performance.

  • Now I Get It

    Actually, it’s “can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.” But you’re right, it’s the not changing the subject part that’s truly fanatic – hence, the “and.”

    Also, according to quoteinvestigator(dot)com, there’s evidence that the saying predates Churchill.

  • HorseyFace

    Well that’s just what they want you to think. I know the real truth however.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Yeah. Absolutely they won because people stop listening to the lies. No one trusts the media any more. With good reason.

    Like i said, FOX NEWS reaches a few million a night. Canceled out by CNN / MSNBC.

    Network nightly news reaches 22 million a night.

    “Conservative” talk radio has a very low TSL and reached about the same amount of people as NPR, which has huge TSL.

    Progressive newspapers outnumber conservative ones by at least 3-1… if you count The Wall Street Jounrnal as conservative.

    HuffPo – with their hysterical SJW headlines – gets more views than Brietbart. And the offline newspaper reach is even more magnified on line.

    Yeah… we’re the rebellion.

  • HorseyFace

    So what’s the problem then? You won. Everything is good. People don’t listen to the media. I guess things aren’t so bad, right? I mean, either people are hopelessly influenced and duped by the progressive agenda, or they don’t trust the media anymore. So I’m just trying to figure it out.

  • Troll Prince The White

    nice

  • Captain Turbo

    Fucking Heathcliff.

  • I was totally baffled by the Alliance Council resigning themselves to surrendering. Is that a realistic option? Only if the Empire is reasonable and forgiving. It was the strangest Star Wars moment I’ve ever seen. I “get” the attempt at moral ambiguity but to have the Alliance Council vote in favor of becoming a bunch of Quislings was bizarre.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I’m a idealistic dreamer. It would better if people were told the truth.

  • HorseyFace

    We should probably put someone in charge of telling us the truth so we can make sure this never happens again.

  • Troll Prince The White

    hahaha… was that a moment? Is that where Jynny From The Cell Block give her inspiration speech? Jesus… Disney just doesn’t even fucking care… as long as they can connect-the-tropes for the audience….

  • from the back of the room, a voice speaks for the audience, “What is she proposing?”

  • Jin

    All this accomplished was restating what you already said in a very slightly different way. You could have spent this time dressing Rich Evans up in more cute outfits instead of responding to people who will, in all likelyhood, not understand the clarifications.

  • Jin Erso? Is that you?

  • Troll Prince The White

    fucking douche chills…

  • HorseyFace

    I mean, but really, what did this accomplish in the grand scheme of things? Why we’re thinking about it, why not try some pizza rolls?

  • HorseyFace

    Yeah it was like, “We’re a Rebellion that doesn’t actually want to fight.” And I was like, “Oh. Well. I thought this was a Star Wars movie. My bad.”

  • Troll Prince The White

    Stop fearmongering. Just get woke.

  • HorseyFace

    I don’t know, I’ll leave the fear mongering up to people who are fighting a valiant battle against evil confederations of mutual interests. Have I told you the link between Dan Rather and casting Daisy Ridley in Star Wars: The Force Awakens? Did you know that this also ties into the very justifiable outing of Valerie Plame? And it all has to do with Disney! I know, its sounds crazy, but hear me out!

  • Fans are the worst and Full Blown FanService is six-months-to-live CANCER.

  • Troll Prince The White

    “Outing”. Another fake story. I suggest you look into it. And of course there is an ideological connection between pearl-clutching Rather and GRRRL Power.

    Grow up, dude.

  • HorseyFace

    You mean like how the SJWs cast Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia? I heard that had something to do with Watergate.

  • Carrie Fisher had Vince Foster killed. True story – see InfoWars.

  • DeadWife

    Get out of here with that vague shit?

    Ok – now I will explain so that your brain can understand, if you can’t please re-watch A New Hope.

    A New Hopes begins… Darth Vader storms the ship and sees first guy, grabs by throat and says: Where are those TRANSMISSIONS you INTERCEPTED? Guy says its a consular ship, refuses to speak and gets killed.

    A little later on… Vader sees Leia and says: Don’t play games with me, Your Highness. You weren’t on any mercy mission this time. You passed directly through a restricted system. Several TRANSMISSIONS were BEAMED to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.

    The end of Rogue One makes no sense because they put Leia in the middle of the battle. Darth Vader sees a hard copy that right there is given to the ship Leia is on. At the beginning of A New Hope, Vader states that they finally get to the ship that the transmissions were transmitted to. He was hunting for those transmissions, for what it seems, quite some time.

    He says I have traced the Rebel spies to her. Now she is my only link to find their secret base!

    On top of everything, that little ship would get blown away with all the empire right there.

    So get out of here if you don’t know anything Star Wars and leave this place for people that have actually seen the movies.

    Thanks.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Dood… widely different things are not the same. I don’t need to explain it to you because you know. You’re being cheeky. Put the time in somewhere else.

  • HorseyFace

    SHE SAVED HERSELF FROM THE DEATH STAR! THEY GAVE HER A GUN! THEY MADE SPEECHES ABOUT STRONG WOMEN IN MOVIES!

  • Troll Prince The White

    Cuck

  • Troll Prince The White

    GO cuck yourself

  • HorseyFace

    Nu-uh! I totally have real sex with real girls all the time. You probably don’t know them though. You’ll probably never meet them. They’re from Canada.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Cuck

  • More testimony damning director Edwards as an uninspired movie bro:
    4 minutes, 9 seconds into this confused review. Seriously, these ‘it’s ok’ reviews by fans sound like people halfway through a cult de-programming process:
    Search youtube for “Rogue One: Where Did That Trailer Footage Go? (Spoilers)” and fast forward to 4:09 if you’re interested.

  • and HOLY SHIT, yes, there’s Fan Service, ok, whatever. But this fan service felt like it was produced from an algorithm. The 1977 X-wing pilots swooping in to, uh, open up that shielding or whatever? Jesus, that was embarrassing and I’m relieved that Jay pointed that out a number of times. It was terrible, terrible corporate decision making at its worst.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Bodes very well for future Disney Wars. Truely no one gives a shit any more. $4 billion was a bad investment. Put it in a index fund.

  • Absolutely. Actual, truly ‘in the bank’ Hollywood profits are always a mystery. Even with TFA’s $2B international box office, I seriously doubt they made up for even $450million in actual cold hard profit after all the distributor fees (50% in the US, god knows in China) and jesus the marketing for that pile.
    $450M is huge but they paid $4B just for the IP rights.

  • I should probably say $200M.

  • Troll Prince The White

    The numbers are very weird. Especially international. Look at movie like Prometheus. Or Man of Steel. They allegedly made tons of money. But had to be rebooted.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    That ‘plot point’ only existed to allow waify to give her man-shaming speech about courage and conviction and fighting.

    It’s like when a stand-up comic says “I think women ARE smarter than men!” to get a round of applause in his terrible dead set.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    I’ve never understood this bizarre infatuation with the word ‘cuck’.

    But the committee that ‘wrote’ this pile of shit is on record saying they are primarily interested in making Star Wars into a ‘social justice’ story. That’s why both of the new movies have had waify female leads beating man ass all over the place (although, to their credit, at least the latest one looks marginally less like a tranny).

  • Frank Lovejoy

    All of this is pointless. You’re arguing for a good story when people don’t want a good story. They want ‘splosions and stuff they’ve seen before, someone to turn to the camera and say “really?!” or “seriously?!” so they can cackle between stuffing fistfuls of popcorn in their fat, stupid faces. And they want the cast to be ‘diverse’ so they can feel like they’ve somehow helped make the world a better place by sitting in a chair stuffing their face for 90 minutes (before going home and making the world EVEN MORE BETTER by retweeting #bringbackourgirls).

  • Troll Prince The White

    dood…

  • Sheriff Mitchell

    It’s a good thing this movie didn’t have Dexter Jettster’s 50s Café.

    Mike might’ve gone catatonic.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Was there a 1950s in SW?

    Why not make it a diner for just one species that was super tall and had to sit on 20 ft stools?

    Already more interesting. Fucking bullshit Lucas and shitbag Disney fucked out SW into their own assholes.

  • Palpatine

    Dexter Jettser deserves his own movie about how he got his diner started. It’ll be the feel-good comedy of the summer winter!

  • Jaws Lucas

    Movie, or sitcom, just think we could dig up that Friends theme, it would be grate.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Yeah, right, they both sucked.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Tom Hanks is the most boringest man alive.

  • Sheriff Mitchell

    This movie was boring.

    But I would’ve been fine with it if it weren’t for the clunky characterization and pacing.

    Like that boring, long scene in which Jyn is read her rap sheet, and the audience learns that she is apparently a troublemaker and a renegade.

    And then she basically never exhibits any behavior that confirms that. She’s a good person the whole time. But she’s bad! The movie said so! That’s why she’s on the Suicide Squad!

    Too much tell, not enough show in this movie.

  • Nirwin

    “Finn was a bumbling guy who tried to do what’s right. He knew he didn’t agree with the Empire’s murderous philosophy so he ran away…” and promptly began murdering scores of his former compatriots on his way out the door, proudly yelling “DID YOU SEE THAT?! DID YOU SEE THAT?!?”
    TFA characters are a total joke.

  • Galactic Shawn

    Does anyone know if Rogue One Limited Release Collectors Edition Blu Ray Box Set Director’s Cut will include the opening Star Wars crawl at the beginning of the movie? Don’t get me wrong, after I saw the AT-AT’s, C-3P0 cameo and Vader’s saber, the movie theater workers are going to have a hell of a time trying to clean the sticky theater floor.

  • Bleurgh

    I have elaborated on this elsewhere, but I call this Audience Surrogate Syndrome. Flying a spaceship in the Star Wars universe should be as normal as driving a van, but instead characters are all ‘Wahey! Wohoo! This is craaaaaaaaazy!’ because the audience needs to be able to relate to them and there’s supposedly no way the audience could relate to them if they didn’t say the exact thing that a person from 21st century Earth would say when flying a spaceship.

  • Bleurgh

    Murdochs already responsible for creating the people who voted for Trump, unfortunately like good old Victor F. he has lost control of his creation. They will simply go on and create their own fake biased news independent of him. Rupert can’t uncork the bottle, no matter how insanely dangerous and dangerously insane Republicans get from this point onwards. That Ayn Rand idolising shithead needs to get the credit for what he helped crate though.

  • azicat

    The problem with Star Wars (as well as Marvel, Star Trek, etc etc) is that it’s become a mythology. It’s becoming difficult to isolate a single movie from the context of the bigger mythos. Watching one movie by itself is becoming like opening a Greek classic at a random page and reading from there, e.g. why is everyone aiming arrows at that random guy’s ankle? Is he important?

  • Thanatos

    Your first mistake was reading any of the Youtube comments.

  • Thanatos

    I actually liked that most of the AT-ATs were missing armor, like they were all in maintenance or something before they had to get rushed out the door to respond to the attack.

  • Thanatos

    She didn’t know Vader was there personally. Makes Vader’s rage at her a bit more explained.

  • Well clearly I’ll take “energy field” over “midichlorians”.

  • Thanatos

    The feel good comedy of Fuck You It’s January

  • nd4spd

    *confused squint

  • Welcome Back Otter

    Yes, I was kind of hoping this would address some of the valid points raised in comments here on RLM. Responding to misspelled YouTube comments is like shooting fish in a barrel. You’re better than this, you hack frauds!

  • But I think it’s also a problem pertaining to the complete dehumanization of stormtroopers except when the script calls for otherwise. It kind of ends up being ironic that Finn is joyously murdering his stormtrooper brethren when he deserted because he didn’t wanna murder people. And it kind of negates any emotional impact we’d get out of the fact that he’s a traitor – that should be a thing like “Oh, so all the dudes in white uniforms who characters we’ve loved have been killing by the boatload are actual thinking people with feelings and emotions?” And then you could do something with that maybe. It might not work as well in the “fantastical”, “fun” version of Star Wars, but it might actually add some meaningful depth if they’re trying to do a gritty war drama thing with it. Instead of that godawful “we need to fight the big evil” speech. I cringed. I think what you said is also an interesting and probably mostly valid point though.

  • Aaron James

    I’ve been watching RLM movies since their “talks about Prometheus” video, and while I’ve disagreed with their reactions to movies before, this is the first time I’ve felt compelled to comment. Because this is the first time I’ve felt like my disagreeing with RLM was more than just a simple difference of opinion.

    If your problems with the movie stem from the characters being too thin, or the first hour or so being too boring, or a Star Wars movie being too joyless: those are legitimate complaints. I personally don’t agree with them. The characters may only have been painted with a handful of brushstrokes each, but it was enough for me to infer their personalities and motivations, which worked for this kind of movie. I was entertained by the first hour or so both times I watched it. And I’m not opposed to joylessness. But, if you took exception to those elements of the movie, I’m not going to argue that you’re wrong for doing so.

    My problem with the RLM videos is that they treat these complaints as if they’re axiomatic, and that some audiences are just too dumb to realise it. And that’s just not true. I saw, and really enjoyed, a scrappy war movie that would have felt just as comfortable in a WW2 setting as it did in the Star Wars setting, and it really worked for me. Moreover, for me it added a whole lot of dramatic weight to Episode IV that wasn’t there before.

    I also think that the argument that the movie doesn’t work outside of the context of the Star Wars franchise is…well, sure, it’s true. But it’s only relevant if you really believe that every movie should have to assume that the audience has no prior knowledge of the setting or ongoing story. I don’t, and I don’t fault the movie for assuming I know what comes after. That’s an effective storytelling technique: fill in some backstory that recontextualises what you already know. Rogue One is that sort of prequel, and it works best when watched after seeing the original trilogy.

    All this is not to say that I think it’s flawless. There was way too much fan service, and you can tell that it used to be a different movie, before the rewrites/reshoots (the trailers suggest that Saw Gerrera was a major character with a whole arc, but he really feels superfluous in the released version of the film, and probably should have been cut completely), but I think it was a good movie.

    I feel like maybe RLM has decided that their brand includes talking shit about Star Wars movies they didn’t like. And when they were critiquing the prequel trilogy, it worked. because those are genuinely awful movies. But here they have a perfectly competent movie that works for a lot of people, and they’re trying to turn their own dislike into some sort of fundamental truth. It comes off like they’re reaching.

  • Welcome Back Otter

    That was such a bizarre moment of hypocrisy by Plinkett I can’t help but think it was trolling.

  • nd4spd

    Lol the prequels have the most nonsensical arcs ever.

  • nd4spd

    That wasn’t his point. It was ‘nothing can make $2b if it has not a single redeeming quality’, to directly refute the youtube comment in the easiest way.

    Plinkett just muddled the execution and confused people, for the 3rd video in a row.

  • Welcome Back Otter

    A well written, thoughtful response with no spelling errors? You have zero chance of getting a response from Plinkett in the next video!

  • Welcome Back Otter

    *Claps at reference to thing I know from previous RLM video*

  • itbegins2005

    For the record, the title character is not always necessarily the MAIN character. To wit, Beetlejuice is not the main character of Beetlejuice.

    (And yes, I figured you were being facetious, but I just couldn’t hold back my pedantry here.)

  • Welcome Back Otter

    I’m tired of these pointless spin offs and sequels to the original Half In The Bag Rogue One review. It’s all just a cash in, filled with fan service to get the clicks. Especially since they’ve now announced those special edition Plinkett reviews, featuring a CGI Rich Evans with more hair.

  • I don’t necessarily agree that they see it as part of their brand, more that a good portion of their fans are trying to force it to be their brand, and they’re just kind of getting it out of the way early on so they can move onto other things. Because I probably far more often see complaints that they “loved” TFA and they were far too soft on it. Leading up to that was just constant comments about them not doing a Plinkett video about it. People legitimately just want to see them rip Star Wars movies to shreds – personally because modern Star Wars movies are now at least hitting a quality of standard beyond complete rubbish (prequels) on a movie-making level – I find they’re more boring to talk about. And to be honest I think Mike is getting bored too, and that’s probably part of his reason for being negative towards people who do like this movie.

  • Bruce

    Disney did not kill Star Wars for me. They just made a mediocre film and followed up with a bad one. Fanboys accepting mediocrity and bad movies and calling them great is what ruined Star Wars for me. This franchise is doomed because they can put out crap and people will defend it to the death. Darth Mickey does not even need to try now. These people are like dogs that eat their own vomit and think it’s a world class meal, so Disney will milk them. A Han Solo trilogy we never wanted to ruin that character. A Obi Wan movie that breaks continuity. Shoehorning Admiral Thrawn into a bad cartoon featuring space Aladdin (Ezra). Ruining Kyle Katarn and Galen Marek in one film (Rogue One). RIP Star Wars and enjoy the rise of the fanboys who ruin everything, defend trash and consume, consume, consume.

  • Woah, seems like Star Wars videos only draw in angry commenters to this webzone nowadays. E N J O Y it, RLM boys.

  • Bleurgh

    I agree it doesn’t make sense, if he quit the Stormtroopers to get away from all the killing and destruction then he should be a stubborn pacifist for the rest of movie, until he picks up the lightsabre in the battle with Kylo Ren. Boom, movie made better.

  • Bleurgh

    The dude has ‘troll’ in his username. He doesn’t believe any of this shit. He finds it funny that people are interacting with him for reasons I can’t even begin to understand and is basically just wasting your time. Stop feeding the self-confessed troll.

  • Kawaii as Fuck

    Is there gonna be a full length Plinkett review of Rogue One at some point?

  • I doubt it seeing how they’ve already done three videos about it, and when they did a full HITB review of Into Darkness it was only followed up with a 7 minute Plinkett video. While I’m always game to hear Plinkett talk more shit, it does feel a bit inane if they’ve already treaded the same water in its entirety, just as themselves instead of a character.

  • It’s just a tiny bit depressing that every time they release a non-SW video it gets like 100 comments tops, and whenever a SW video comes out it’s spammed with 500 comments in the first 12 hours. And that’s just here. I’m guessing though that it’s mostly outside visitors come to exact their revenge on the alleged heresy they’ve been presented with.

  • CGI Grandpa Fartkin?

  • They liked the traffic so much they drove the old regulars out and closed the first Rogue One Plinkett review thread.

  • It’s not closed anymore, I just checked. Furthermore, while I tend to enjoy the company of like-minded individuals – I think something that’s important to remember here – we’re not all like-minded individuals. We just commune over a common thing we enjoy. I actually take no offense to the “regulars” being driven out because part of the basis of my understanding of RLM is that they don’t like fanboys – and to a certain degree that probably applies to their own fanboys. So when everyone was up in arms about URLs being cut out of the comment section, I was actually going “thank god I don’t have to load a facebook newsfeed every time I click on an RLM link”. There was too much garbage.

  • Rebus

    In every scene, his hairline, its so dense.

  • Crixxxx

    It’s good to have contempt for your audience.

  • Love the content of these two videos but I have to say that Mr. Plinkett drawing is a crutch. And unpleasant to look at to boot. Please stop spending half the videos be a static shot of a cartoon.

  • RLMkeepitup

    yes i forgot theyre already in the movie

  • Crixxxx

    It took 4 years to do the last Plinkett full review. Don’t count on it.

  • Crixxxx

    Plus, you’ve already established that this is a universe in which huge vehicles and ships can fly above an earth-like gravity planet with some form of repulsor-lift technology. Why even require legs on the AT-ATs? You can just have some type of heavy gunship. What a ridiculous thing for the makers of Empire to do!!

  • Omis

    People are big fans of things and JJ Abrams knew not to fuck with the fans.

  • Jaws Lucas

    lol

  • playdude92 .

    To offer a more calm reaction to this film, I´ll call it neither boring NOR amazing. It´s an entirely un-internet-y response, so feel free to ignore it.

    The key word here is serviceable. Characters? Serviceable. Story? Serviceable. Emotion? Pretty good, actually. Film making/production? Very Competent/Good (except for CGI grampa).

    The main characters weren´t interesting, I´ll give you that. Worse, their stories were identical. Short wholesome youth cut short by terrible events leads to survivalist personality, hiding true feelings. Jyn or Cassian? Exactly. But the side characters were strong; Wise-ass snarky robot, Heroic yet careful father resisting quietly, Nervous pilot defectiing from the empire, Very ambitious and backstabbing imperial officer, Two close friends: One´s very spiritual, the other relying on his senses. But together, they can crack jokes about their attitudes. You don´t want a movie held up by the strength of side characters but sometimes, that´s what you get. Serviceable.

    Story was *very* “fight the power”, I felt. Surprised you guys didn´t feel that. They played up the evil empire massively with the power struggles at the top, their murderous officers and soldiers and let´s not forget building a planet destroying super weapon. Darth Vader´s evil was actually overstated, with his comicly evil home and his choking the main bad guy for no good reason. The rebels weren´t exactly very inspiring, but effectively understated, I felt. Hard to root for them but easy to root against the empire. Serviceable.

    Emotion was strong based on the combined average strength of characters and story, delivered through very competent film making. Especially Mads Mikkelsen´s (the father´s) story. And the fun main bad guy. It worked well for me and no I don´t care much about the action (`cept for a few scenes including Darth Vader slaughter).

    Overall; It was fine and very well-made. SW: FA was good and very well-made. Small difference.

  • Troll Prince The White

    “Serviceable”. Did Disney send Tinkerbell over to service you?

  • Tom Slothvo

    Fucking the fans is the only thing Abrams knows how to do.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Sars Warts makes me sooooo ANGRY!!!!

  • Omis

    He didn’t call them assholes or dickheads for calling him out for disrespecting the property.

  • Tom Slothvo

    So no one told ya life was gonna be this waaaay….

  • Troll Prince The White

    “And I’m not opposed to joylessness”

    “There was way too much fan service”

    “I also think that the argument that the movie doesn’t work outside of the context of the Star Wars franchise is…well, sure, it’s true. ”

    You just explained why is a really bad movie. And a really bad SW movie is a really bad thing.

  • Tom Slothvo

    This video needed moar pizza rolls.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I like that phrase… ASS… haha. Also a lot the dialogue in TFA reminded me of something from a sitcom that was copying 1990s self-aware Kevin Smithery.

    “Do i go first? Or do you go first?”

    “Yeah, i need a pilot”

    “Ummm, yeah I’m with the Resistance.”

    “That not how (any of this) works.”

  • Andy James

    So your problem with RLM in this case is that they’re being assholes about something you actually like.

  • Oil Can

    I agree with Plinkett. The film was put together well, however the story and characters kept it from being a great film. You don’t need a giant space battle in these side films. Do a heist film, while using some of the same elements of Galen and not so clean Rebel intelligence service, and the crystals would have been a better fit. Then you would have a escape scene after the heist. Escape scene with multiple hyperspace jumps with Darth Vader after you. It could have been a very cool scene.

  • Jaws Lucas

    It’s time for Mst3k. I need my fix.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Just as long as it ain’t Ocean’s 11 for god’s sake.

  • GlobalResident

    As for those who defend martial arts lightsabers and endless action over emotion:

    Everyone is entitled to their own ppinion.

  • Oil Can

    Pushing a movie out every year will do that. That’s just too many Star Wars too quickly. Put some time in to develop better stories and characters. Characters and stories are what going to be keep this franchise going. Not space battle after space battle.

  • Crixxxx

    “SJW” and “cuck” are a person’s way of identifying themselves online as small-minded assholes who endlessly parrot shit from other small-minded assholes online. They think they are being clever and edgy. In reality, they are likely 300-pound basement dwellers with Cheeto-stained fingers and whose sexual experience is limited to a box of Kleenex.

  • Oil Can

    Agreed. Ocean’s 11 was all heist.

  • Yeah while I’d enjoy a “space heist” movie, I wouldn’t want it to play out like all the modern bank heist movies do. I grow a little weary of the whole “so, let’s go over the plans” montages where it’s a little unclear whether they’re talking about doing it or actually doing it.

  • GlobalResident

    Rich Evans is the key to all this.

  • They were sitting right there on his chest, didn’t you notice?

  • GlobalResident

    The problem is that sifting through YouTube ppinions is painful at best.

  • Troll Prince The White

    That would require actually writing an interesting story with engaging characters who have deep, tangible motives that drive a plot through relationships and action. Which apparently screenwriters working for Disney are contractually prohibited from doing.

    Not to pile on but how interesting are any of the Marvel movies without the super powery action?

  • Oil Can

    Disney VR tech in 2030. Disney’s “Adult” section.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Not enuff!
    We need moar!
    Pizza Rolls: The Movie!
    Starring Mr. Plinkett and his wife Jada Plinkett-Smith

  • Tom Slothvo

    It would have been Ocean’s 11… IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!

  • Oil Can

    They spend $300 million making and marking a movie, I don’t understand why not spending a just a tiny bit more to clean up the story and the characters.

  • Tom Slothvo

    I’m not sure when the new season starts but Shout Factory TV has around 80 episodes available to stream for free!

  • Jaws Lucas

    Money can’t buy love dude.

  • Jaws Lucas

    And their Academy Award winning son Kitai Rage.

  • Tom Slothvo

    Pizza Rolls will be distributed throughout the audience during intermission!

  • GlobalResident

    The thing is, when watching the original SW movies, I’ve never needed to analyze things like character depth or plot nuances because they were and are just fun. That’s why I like them. Every movie since requires deconstruction in order to somehow “make sense” of their existence, probably because they really aren’t that fun and need some other detailed, emotionless justification. In doing so, I think people have forgotten about “they’re just fun”, and Plinkett reminds us of that, imo. Yes, TFA was a retread. I don’t care, because it’s still kind of fun. Not as fun as the originals, of course.

  • Rebus

    Hes a funnier character than weve ever had before, if we can make him work……

    Ofc, this is why rlm have every reason to hate their fans 😀

  • Troll Prince The White

    It’s not quantifiable. As unbelievable as it sounds i think the mouse writes these movies with polling data.

  • sepiajack

    My wife made a good observation that one of the most potentially interesting and important moments in Jyn’s story (or would have been if we actually saw it) is her time growing up with Saw gerrera. If instead of cutting over all of this the movie went from him rescueing her in the hole, to a montage/opening credits type segement of this young girl growing up under the wing of this violent terrorist, hiding bombs in Imperial tanks, stealing weapons, we see her go from girl to teen to woman, picking up these skills, and bonding with her make-shift father figure.

    A little scene like that with some good music and ending them parting ways might have been enough to keep her character, Saw and the rest of the movie afloat. Instead we are just told all of this happens… which just added to the muddle

  • david dallas

    Well said. I think RLM’s points are mostly valid. To each their own. Like you I think the movie works and is good. I also feel that the reshoots may have hurt the movie a lot. But we can only judge the film that they released. Despite all of that, the movie still worked for me.

  • sepiajack

    Well don’t forget Disney spent how much to acquire the SW property? 4 billion? 6 billion? I forget the exact amount but needless to say they will not be in the black on that investment for a while – they are well on their way, but need another 2-3 TFA type super hits before this investment pays off

  • sepiajack

    We rewatched TFA on New Years eve, mostly just because we had been talking about Carrie Fisher – – I hadn’t seen it since the theaters but liked it then. It has a few issues, mainly with the 3rd deathstar plot, but the character work is good, 14 minutes into this movie we know exactly who Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo are, what motivates them, and most of this is done with visuals and actions and very little has had to been explained with talky exposition.

    Mike’s right that they aren’t the deepest characters in the world, but the tone is fun, like a SW trilogy movie, and since we know who these people are and what drives them the story can move along, and a few bumps there and there don’t derail it. The 3rd deathstar plot is both silly and ultimately unnecessary, but its also not the main conflict or issue at stake, and is more just the B plot that Leia / Poe are dealing with. Finn goes to the base to rescue Rey, Han is ultimately there to confront and hopefully redeem his son, and in the end the real climax is Rey & Finn confronting Kylo Ren, who we understand their conflict with, and rising to the occasion to become the heroes they have both been reluctant to be.

  • Copperbeard

    Nice trolling but didn’t you just do the very thing you criticized the SONY marketing team for in the Ghostbusters Scientist Man video? You chose the most braindead, hastily typed comments to respond to in order to paint people who disagree with you as imbeciles. I love you hacks, but come on.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Hmmm… WRONG. Sony deleted the generally critical comments so only anti-women and fat joke comments remains. This was so they could shame market their movie to the normopaths that watch late night comedy talk shows.

    RLM is just blowing up bullshit.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Except they act in contradictory ways, have unexplained abilities and disappear and reappear with no explanation to service the plot.

    Thanks for repeating the end of that movie for us.

  • nd4spd

    It’s not like any exec even really cares about the audience, fan or critical reaction to any movie as long as they continue to make significant profits.
    So I don’t think it makes much of a difference.

    I mean, they might take a couple looks at the general consensus, misunderstand the main complaints and shoddily try one or two things different in the next. But ultimately, $ is the most important statistic they consider.

  • sepiajack

    Unexplained abilities?

  • Troll Prince The White

    Piloting, knowing the internal workings of, and fixing,The Falcon. Better than Solo.

    Knowing what the Jedi Mind Trick was. Thinking she could use it.

    Things like that.

  • Exactly this. You can spend x amount of money on CGI and basically be guaranteed at least a decent looking movie on a visual level, but you usually only ever hire one to a few writers (whereas CGI is done by huge teams of people as we’ve all seen in credit rolls) and even if you hire a very expensive writer he may fuck up by not taking any chances and just churning out a bland, forgettable script. I think it’s harder to judge writing with corporate thinking than it is to burn cash getting something to blend into a scene.

  • sepiajack

    Knowing the internal workings of the Falcon is attributed to the fact that Solo has been without the Falcon for years, Rey seems to be some way be indentured to Unkar Plot (simon pegg alien) as we see in her flashback that when she was abandoned on Jakku she was sold/given to him – she knows about the Falcon because she seems to have been involved with the changes/repairs that have been done to it over the years – when her and Finn take off in it, it is established that this is not her first time on the ship .

    Piloting: same story as Luke, she’s piloted speeders a lot and other planet bound ships, but never in space before. I would presume, same as Luke that her piloting prowess is a mixture of her strength with the force mixed with her pilot experience on Jakku, just as Luke had never left Tattooine and only ‘dusted crops’ but was able to expertly pilot an X-wing better than any of the other rebel pilots.

    She learned about the force from Han & Maz, and seemed to have heard myths about the Jedi as well. She learned how to use the jedi mind trick because Kylo Ren tried to use it on her.

    I would note that Luke uses the force in the Wampa cave to move his lightsaber despite the fact that nobody told him (or for that matter the audience) this was something the force could do.

  • Troll Prince The White

    “Fun”. But also extremely well written. Things made sense from a story as well as a character perspective. They were inventive and fresh.

    It’s hard to have fun when there are inconsistent characters and recycled generic stories. This is why they have to lean so much on splosions and fan service.

    The writers just suck. And I know the Empire guy “wrote” TFA. I’m sure he had a hell of a lot of help with Empire just like Lucas has a hell of a lot of help with Star Wars.

    How many drafts did TFA or Reshoot One go through? 2? maybe 3?

    Star Wars had about 30.

  • Troll Prince The White

    The tie fighters were short range fighters…

  • Troll Prince The White

    absolutely. again, it just shows that creativity is not a commodity that Disney is interested in…

  • Troll Prince The White

    Except Luke “bullseyed wamp-rats” in his T-16 back home. T-16 is an x-wing trainer. We see, or hear of, Rey piloting nothing more than a hover bike.

    Except none of that “Rey repaired The Falcon” stuff isn’t setup at all. If she was repairing it then she would know what an awesome ship it was and not a piece of junk (fan service).

    Except Luke was guided in the ways of the force by one of the greatest Jedis. He was woke. Rey was “told” that the Force was real. Suddenly she could do forcey things.

    I’m sure the force talent is just some Smug Smug Nerd Glasses mystery box BS but that really isn’t the way SW stories are told.

    Luke was clearly established as the son of a Jedi, as Force powerful, as being trained, etc.

    I hate the way Nerd Glasses tells stories.

  • Troll Prince The White

    > Polling shows that the fans really want to see Vader going postal
    > Polling shows people recognize X-Wings
    > Polling shows more women would buy Star Wars stuff and more parents would buy SW stuff for their daughters if we have a female lead

  • Jon

    Ah, my bad. I guess I’m surprised such a glaring misstep did not get criticized more. It completely contradicts the whole opening of Episode IV. The droids cannot be on Yavin’s moon when the Tantive is on board the admiral’s ship at the start of the battle. I don’t mind droid cameos, but this should have been fixed.

  • Jon

    I think maybe Krennic and Galen had the most clear motivations, and both worked like polar opposites, in a way. Krennic was constantly trying to maneuver around Tarkin, while Galen was trying to outsmart Krennic. Both probably had the most well rounded stories, since both got to see the full circle of their ambitions. Galen saw that his daughter would carry his message to the rebellion, and died content, while Krennic died knowing that his own weapon would be used against him. Thoughts?

  • david dallas

    You saw Assassin’s Creed? Sorry couldn’t resist! LOL

  • sepiajack

    Luke received training from Yoda, I presume ep8 will have Rey training with Luke, I’m just comparing TFA Rey to Luke from ANH, and prior to meeting Yoda. We don’t know what Rey’s parentage is, my hope would be that her parents are nobody special or any character we’ve seen before, but it remains to be seen if the SW filmmakers are going to be able to resist the urge to make yet another family connection within the saga, but that will be judge against any future installment where it is dealt with – it’s not addressed in this film, and so I for the moment will take Maz’s talk to Rey at face value, that her parental origins are irrelevant, and what matters is the path ahead, the path that will lead her to Luke.

    I would agree (if I follow your comments correctly, which I’m not sure if I am) that JJ abrams is known for handywavey exposition to cover up less than solid foundations in the plot – but taking the original trilogy just at face value and not looking at the prequels, or EU stuff (none of which is of interest to me anyways) – I think it is fair to interpret that being a Jedi doesn’t have anything to do with formal swordsmanship training, or anything like that, and that those who are strong with the force are going to be inherently good at most things they set their minds to – be it piloting (as we see with Luke), weilding a lightsaber (again established by Luke when he holds his own with Vader despite having no training with a lightsaber of any kind) – or otherwise.

    Rey does state she has piloted lots of craft on Jakku, but never left the planet. All the impressive flying she does in the Falcon is on Jakku, and she knows the inside of that crashed star destroyer intimately as its her office. Once they get to space (a hard target to miss) they aren’t headed anywhere specific and are immediately caught by Han, who does all the flying after that.

    Where does it state that a T16 is an X-wing training vehicle? Why would Luke have rebel training prior to leaving Tatooine? Wasn’t his dream to go to the Academy and presumably become a TIE fighter or Imperial shuttle pilot?

  • Troll Prince The White

    I don’t know. I didn’t see that part of Reshoot One. What you are saying sounds bizarre. All characters, references, cheecky callback dialogue, etc should be kept the fuck out of the movie unless they are absolutely critical to the story. I saw in the HITB review that the bad guys from the cantina were in the movie too – WTF?????

  • Burgerlord

    Seriously, just ignore this guy. He’ll go on and on about how Rey is a “Marie Sue” even though you can come up with a reasonable explanation for her abilities. The argument will go on forever and will eventually just bore you to tears.

  • schoenerAndi

    Sorry for my language, but this here is from Germany:
    Today it is very hard to have an oppinion and point it out. Because today we don’t discuss the arguments! Today we just say:
    YOU IDIOT, YOU’RE COMPLETELY WRONG…and so on.
    In my eyes Rogue One is nearly the best Star Wars Movie ever! Why? Because of all the stuff you guys hate.
    OK
    I grew up with the original movies. I LOVE Star Destroyers, Darth Vader, etc.
    I hate the prequels because they look cheap (just green screen), have NO good characters, a weird story and such an idiotic kind of humor. AND no Star Destroyers,…!
    And this movie is so well executed ( I really Love the Soundtrack), the second half is just awesome.
    But from your Point of view, your arguments work! The movie is based on references.

  • Burgerlord

    I’ve got a really important and relevant point to make.

    Does anyone else notice how Rich Evans looks like a young Anakin Skywalker?

  • Troll Prince The White

    Luke didn’t have rebel training. He flew the T-16 back home.

    Rey’s flew the falcon better than anyone we’ve ever seen. Having never flown it before. Not set up properly.

    Vader was an old man in a suit. Half an old man in a suit. And he initially crushed Luke who had done a lot of training with yoda.

    In the OT, you just don’t come out of the box being a badass. You need training to focus your understand and control over The Force.

    This is why Luke can even do anything against Vader. He would never have been able to do that in Star Wars. He was just a angry kid.

    Also… we know the Luke is powerful because his father was.

    It’s inherited or it’s some dumbshit immaculate concept / clone program. So there is no explination for Rey being basically the most naturally gifted force user in the entire franchise.

    The shit she pulled off made “now this is podracing” look plausible.

  • sepiajack

    Thanks.

  • david dallas

    You guys must really need the page views to make another Rouge One video!

    I think your context argument is more about what makes a “Star Wars” movie a Star Wars movie? It seems to you that a Star Wars movie needs likable, defined, pithy characters. The OT and TFA both are anchored by strong characters, but does that mean every Star Wars movie needs to follow the same formula?

    Honestly, saying that Jyn was “overpowered” but not saying that about Rey?? I didnt’ think anyone in Rouge One was super human unlike Rey who could do anything and everything. I don’t want to tear down Rey to make this point, I think she is a wonderful character, but at least be consistent in your critiques then.

    Yes, Rouge One does rely heavily on the IP. It is a Star Wars movie after all. I know you get a good laugh mocking all the fat fan boys out there. Who doesn’t? But I think I speak for many who can remember seeing Star Wars at a drive in back in 77 and feeling that Rouge One was felt like “pure” Star Wars to us.

    This was our generations Star Wars. Not Jar Jar 90s Star Wars or 2015 Awakens Star Wars. Like you said before in the other video…it was pure icing. Indulging in icing now and then can be fun!

  • Jon

    Yeah, I thought that was bizarre. An odd reference to have the two cantina guys in the film, especially in a place that was getting blown up.

    As for the droids, the scene is where the Rebels announce that the fleet has gone to Scariff to fight, then they cut to C3PO and R2D2 in the rebel base on Yavin. C3PO looks at R2 and says “Scariff? Why doesn’t anyone tell me these things?”

    Which is so out of place since they are supposed to be on board the Tantive in “A New Hope” and the Tantive is clearly shown at the end of the film at Scariff. You’re right. That whole bit should have been kept out of the movie. It was pure fan service, and not very good fan service at that.

  • david dallas

    Star Destroyers rulz!

  • sepiajack

    Well the T16 looked essentially like a space car, Rey’s hover bike looks essentially the same just turned on its side. She mentions that she has flown other ships.

    You said the T16 was an X-wing trainer, I don’t recall anything of the sort ever being stated in any of the films, and the idea that he would be training to use an X-wing, an exclusively rebel craft does not make any sense in what we know of that world in the film.

    How is the piloting of the falcon better than anyone else has done? She pulls off essentially one big maneuver by the skin of her teeth, and again its in an environment she knows extremely well – none of it is made to look easy for her.

    We know nothing about where Rey comes from, but she is strong with the force, which is the same thing we knew about Luke, or any other Jedi for that matter. If they come up with some dumb explanation for her origins in episode 8 or 9 than the problems will be on those films, I’m looking at 7 purely as its own film, against what is established in the SW trilogy.

  • Troll Prince The White

    27 instances of fan services and cameos. Hard to enjoy that.

    Rey is a shit character because of what she can do and how completely nonsensical her motives are.

    I don’t know much about Jynny From The Cell Block but it seems like she’s the equivelant of getting a sick wolf tattoo.

  • nametaken

    this is embarrassing. only serves to strengthen his arguments.

  • sepiajack

    I think it is fair to say that any movie, Star wars or not should have likeable or engaging characters. It’s not setting the bar very high to expect this of any movie, be it part of a larger franchise or its own thing.

  • Burgerlord

    YOU IDIOT, YOU’RE COMPLETELY WRONG

    Just kidding.

    Look, if you liked a movie then don’t let the opinions of others and critics bother you. I’ve liked movies that other people would call crap, and I’ve called movies crap that others have liked. It’s entertainment, after all.

    What these guys at RLM do is deconstruct movies critically. That’s their job. I actually learned a lot from them on what to look for in movies, and sometimes their explanations makes me think about why I like or dislike certain movies. They even make me think about why some things about movies I like bother me. I like Rogue One, but I often felt myself go “what the hell just happened?” and “wait, that does not make sense to me”. I still, however, enjoyed the movie.

  • Troll Prince The White

    the T-16 is not the land speeder. It’s that triwing ship that Luke was playing with in the “tool shed” at the beginning of Star Wars. It’s a speeder.

    Dude, she flew through the super structure of a Star Destroyer. She shook multiple tie fighters. She did that crazy loop.

    If you look at TFA on it’s own there is no explanation. We knew Luke’s father was a Jedi.

    And speaking of flying ships and these dumb Disney movies. X-Wings, The Falcon, Ties, etc never operated as attack vehicles inside an atmosphere in the OT.

    That’s why they had speeders in Empire. Notice there are no tie fighters or x-wings on Endor.

    They can take off and land at slow speeds – at you see in the OT – but jetting around would rip them apart due to air resistance and gravity.

    Just one more thing to complain about.

  • sepiajack

    I had never heard the toy imperial shuttle tri-wing ship was the T16, where does that come from? Even if its not the landspeeder how is it any different than Rey saying she’s flown other ships? Luke is able to out fly all the rebel pilots in the deathstar attack and win the day.

    Rey does not do any flying equivalent to this – she flies the falcon and barely makes it through the Star destroyer cavern, which is as I’ve mentioned set up to be her day job, knowing that interior.

    Rey doesn’t fly an X-wing or attack Starkiller base – and none of the flying she does in the film is any more impressive than what we see any other SW pilots do in the other films.

  • Troll Prince The White

    No dude… the T-16 was the model that Luke was playing with in the mechanical shed or whatever.

    google “t-16” images. I can’t post them here.

    It’s in the “speeder” family. Like hoth speeders, cloud city speeders.

    If for jetting around a planet surface. I just looked it up. It’s called a Skyhopper. They call them airspeeders.

    I also looked up there reference to being a trainer… it’s not in the movie but the radio drama which was canon. Not that that matters were talking movies here so I will still say that Luke was known for shooting small things in some kind of fighter ship.

    Luke doesn’t do really any fancy flying.

  • sepiajack

    Well I assume you’re right about the T16, none of that is in the movie though so I agree lets just put that aside.

    How is Luke using the force to avoid being hit any different than what Rey did? We actually see several seasoned pilots attempt to do what Luke does on the Deathstar and fail. We don’t see Rey do any fancy flying in space – and nobody claims she is any kind of expert pilot, just that she is a pilot.

    Luke wasn’t any kind of warrior or gunslinger, but handles himself against stormtroopers while running around the deathstar, with I would say comparable craft to Rey escaping from the TIE fighters on Jakku.

    Most of this is ultimately irrelevant to either Rey or Luke as characters, in most stories we are going to see our hero do amazing things, and beat the odds to save the day – I can over look any small hiccups in the plot or leaps of logic in plot mechanics in Star wars, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, or The Force Awakens because I enjoy the characters, and while the plot may not be perfect, the story is effective. I can’t make the same leap with Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith or Rogue One, because I can’t invest in any of those characters, and so all of the plot problems rise to the service. There’s no suspension of disbelief because there’s no incentive to do so.

  • Troll Prince The White

    It was just way too much to be happening without any explanation or a more fleshed out explanation / backstory in TFA.

    That is why so many people are saying “Mary Sue” in reference to Rey.

    They could have fixed this will a couple scenes or lines of dialogue.

    They just don’t care.

  • Mateusz K.

    I completely agree with Plinkett points. I sure hoper they keep bringing him back more, so I also hope that a bunch of angry fanboys keep throwing hissy fits in the comments.

  • DeadWife

    Rogue One is the most disappointing thing since my son

  • DeadWife

    What is wrong with CGI Carrie Fisher’s face?

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Can we at least give this movie some props for single-handedly erasing Attack of the Clones from the Star Wars universe?

  • Hank Schkorio

    Maybe one day in a galaxy far far away, fanboys will learn that if someone has a different opinion to them, it doesn’t actually take anything away from their enjoyment of the film.

  • Hank Schkorio

    How does this movie erase AotC?

  • DeadWife

    I was thinking the same, how does it erase it? They are still there, they will never go away…

  • Troll Prince The White

    Well… that is why fanboyism is so insecure. It’s built on a house of cards. Once someone rationally assails their idols they have to lash out in order to not just defend the object of their worship but also themselves.

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    ….they can never be undone.

  • peterablex

    Dear god man! Hunter S Thompson would be proud of you

  • Hank Schkorio

    I don’t think it’s about having one over the other. Rather it’s about having the emotion and the action tied together, so they can enhance each other. The emotion should give the action meaning, and action should underscore the emotions of film.

  • Troll Prince The White

    splain

  • Hank Schkorio

    All I ever hear now is Rich Evans yelling: AT, ST, AT, ST anytime I see an walker of any kind.

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Sure thing. Here are a few of the major points that leaped out at me:
    Death Star
    AotC: It’s designed (entirely by what we can tell) by flying termite people.
    R1: Is an Imperial weapons project headed Director Krennic with the assistance of Gallen Erso.

    Storm Troopers
    AotC: Clones…ugh.
    R1: Seem to be real people who banter (T15 vs. T16, yes it’s fan service but it’s a real conversation and not something that clones would probably have).

    And most Importantly (though it is more to Phantom Menace)…THE FORCE:
    AotC/PM:The force is medicolians…or whatever.
    R1:
    “I am with the Force and the Force is with me”
    by having this
    mantra it brings back the since of mysticism that the Force originally was.

  • peterablex

    He’s a serial rapist of space movies.

  • sepiajack

    I guess, but it also re-cemented the prequels as being canon by including characters/actors & vehicles exclusive to those films

  • Hank Schkorio

    I thought the movie would be about a group of rebels (all with different skills) performing a more or less suicide mission to sneak onto the death star and try to work out a way to sabotage it. But having failed to do so, they end up transmitting it’s vulnerabilities to the rebels.
    Kind of like the WW2 movie The Guns of Navarone.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Nice… missed all those scenes. The Stormtroopers had a conversation in Star Wars too. Near the tractor beam controls.

    Continuity, even with the OT, doesn’t matter. It’s all about the fangasm.

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Perhaps…though Jimmy didn’t really acknowledge anything he had done in the prequels…I think the only reason he was there is because Leia was mentioned and it probably would have been too obvious a bitch slap to George Lucas if they suddenly had a different actor.

  • sepiajack

    But they also used the same Mon Motha actress who was in Episode 3 but had her scenes cut – I mean it doesn’t bother me personally, but I would say Rogue One did not take the same approach of distancing themselves from the prequels the way TFA did

  • sepiajack

    I’ve been away for a while, why do some of the posts/posters have a check mark and ‘deplorable’ next to them?

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Verified member of Hillary Clinton’s Basket of Deplorables

  • Hank Schkorio

    It’s all about creating hype and appealing to as many demographics as possible in order to sell tickets and merchandise. None of which requires an exceptional movie.

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    But if I am remembering right, Mon Motha was originally from RotJ so that is probably more in keeping with OT than the prequels.

    Truth be told, I didn’t even know that the character had an appearance in RotS that was cut until you said it.

  • WylyQuimby

    It’s like a gang tat. Deplorables use it to identify each other and feel empowered. The flip side is that helps ordinary people identify them for what they are.

  • Spoiled Ants

    I think if the movie would had only been about Mads Mikkelsen character, showing his waning loyalty, secretly communicating with a rebel double agent inside the facility, against his better judgement bonding with this stranger, but not sure who he can really trust, then MAYBE I would have been intereseted in watching another SW movie. But nope.

    Hopefully this will be the last of SW related content for a while, it’s just depressing as hell.

  • Hank Schkorio

    Can a speedy jakku walker beat an AT-ST in a race?

  • Lute Hende

    Mass Effect people. Mass Effect

  • sepiajack

    Yeah she was part of a Padme senate plotline that was cut but would have showed her, Jimmy Smitts and natalie portman laying the foundation for the rebellion. It’s all typically dull lifeless prequel scenes of senators in chairs talking about nothing, but it is the same actress, and she does a have a wonderful likeness to the RotJ Mon Motha both in terms of appearance and performance. I’m not begrudging Rogue One’s decision to use her, I just think its speaks to some extent of lending legitimacy to the prequels instead of further distancing the new movies from them

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    And that would be…?

  • david dallas

    Some of RLM’s arguments make a good point. Doesn’t mean it makes the movie bad.

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Oh man…that sub plot just sounds terrible.

    I think it might be some time before we see a Star Wars film that is willing to stand on its own two feet rather than lean on the originals…but I’ve seen a few glimmers of hope.

  • Troll Prince The White

    White supremacists racist sexist rapists with islam and homo phobia! Fucking cucks…

  • sepiajack

    I’m a little confused though why people keep singling Disney out on this as though WB, 20th century Fox, Sony etc aren’t guilty of doing the same thing. It’s a widespread issue throughout hollywood, Disney isn’t any better or worse than any of the others

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Ah yes, every “ism” and “ist” under the sun, that’s us!

  • I agree they may have made no practical sense as a military vehicle but from a plot/thematic point the Hoth AT-ATs works rather well.

    Firstly, from a plot pov because it gives Luke his individual moment of heroism and intelligence with the tow cable lateral thinking.

    Secondly, from a thematic point it shows the Empire towering above the rebellion, which is something the audience absorbs unconsciously without actively thinking about it. If you do think about it for 5 secs it makes no practical sense, but then I’d argue the film gets away with it because we are (hopefully) swept up in the moment. For this reason I’d always place practical realities at the bottom of the pile below the concerns of plot and theme, if that makes sense?

  • sepiajack

    Well hollywood in general, I don’t think Disney has any sort of premium on how lazy and muddled most big releases are starting to feel.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Disney 60% of the top grossing movies in the US and worldwide. They set the tone. Others try to copy.

  • rikkibarnes

    Saw, didn’t pay for it if you catch my drift…

  • Lute Hende

    FA review was already short and pretty toothles compared to the prequels. It’s strange.

  • WylyQuimby

    Yes. The label is quite useful. So is “troll.” Usually hateful people, although trolls are more likely to be entertaining and may actually make arguments based on facts. From time to time anyway.

  • Mark Bisone

    At this very moment, from his basement headquarters at the center of the moon, someone with a furry neck is composing his “Commenters Respond to Mr. Plinkett’s Response to Comments About His Video Commenting on Disney’s Star Wars Rogue One” essay. It will be approximately 162,000 words long, half of those in CAPS. The other half will mangle the meaning (and, frequently, the spelling) of the word “context”

    Ours is a glorious apocalypse, my friends.

  • Bruce

    What is a dead franchise whose lead writer left after the second game and whose director left before the new game, while a desperate company outsourced someone to lead write the new game and he has already left the company Alex?

    Enjoy Bioware hires like Sam Maggs. You should see her work talking about GTA 5. Google it for fun.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Yes they are.

  • I now view associate that name with Dallas plot twists:

    *Cue Bobby waking up* “Mass Effect, it was all a dream.”

  • Bruce

    “I didnt’ think anyone in Rouge One was super human unlike Rey who could do anything.” Rey is totally a Mary Sue but she has magical powers. Jyn on the other hand looks like she just got done shopping in the petite section at the mall and somehow melees Stormtroopers in battle armor with a baton. I suggest putting on a hockey uniform and having a small woman like Jyn smack you where the pads are with a baton. Laugh in her face while she does zero damage.

  • Troll Prince The White

    So is “cuck”. Usually sexless people, although cucks are more likely to perverts masquerading as white knights and may actually engage women online in discussions based on shared anger at real men. All the time anyway.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Plinkett needs to target Marvel next…

  • WylyQuimby

    Possibly, but usually “cucks” don’t identify as such. Instead the use of the word “cuck” is another method of self-identifying as a “deplorable.” Similar to gang tats, gangs have their own lingo that identifies them.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Yes… there are proud cucks. Just ask them.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    Winners.

  • Mark Bisone

    I kinda got the feeling it was the other way around: that the people flaunting the “Deplorables” label are saying they are ordinary people, who were unfairly broadbrushed by a politician hoping to scare up a few extra votes.

    In other words, it mostly seems like a big “Fuck you” to Clinton, rather than an embrace of her caricature. Mileage may vary.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    I’ve never watched the entire shitshow that is TFA, but wouldn’t Flynn being a black stormtrooper with a separate personality kind of undermine the whole ‘clone’ thing anyway?

  • Frank Lovejoy

    The movie being bad is what makes the movie bad. RLM is just explaining to you why it’s bad.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs! AT-STs!

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    ↑ This man gets it. ↑

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    That assumes the First Order is the same or remnants of the Empire which I’m not so sure about anymore…Movies need to tell us these things lol

  • Palpatine

    Depends on what kind of Speedy Jakku Walker we’re talking about here. The Greater Speedy Jakku Walker is big and capable of walking speeds of only 25 MPH. The Lesser Speedy Jakku Walker is smaller, and so it’s actually faster than the Greater one. So yes, a Lesser Speedy Jakku Walker can beat an AT-ST in a race. Believe me, this is all on Wookieepedia… I assume.

  • Orson Hyde

    I like to imagine that when the idea of the Death Star first got pitched to Imperial R&D, that it was a lot like the scene in Hudsucker Proxy.
    “Grand Moff, I’ve been thinking about a superweapon.”
    “Ok…”
    *guy draws a circle with a smaller circle inside*
    “You know, for shooting planets.”

  • Jingo

    Wait, why can’t a movie be dependent on context? Isn’t the entire point of a prequel/sequel to add depth to another story and make both of them more enjoyable? I’m not even arguing that Rogue One actually does that, it’s just pretty easy to corner something by making shit up and playing by those rules and only those rules.

  • Jessica Meyer

    I try to pretend the prequels didn’t happen as often as I can and have most likely watched the Plinkett reviews more often than the actual movies so I can’t really comment on your points.

    I do like that the storm troopers are back to being absurdly incompetent though. Weather it’s fan service or just them throwing everything that worked in the original trilogy into this movie I still at least appreciated it.

  • Patrick Batman

    You win.

  • Jessica Meyer

    There’s a line in TFA that conveniently tells us that there are two types of troopers. Clones and stolen children raised under the wing of the empire for a specific purpose (ie Fin) basically.

  • Jessica Meyer

    Is it too soon to say that CGI Leia killed Carrie Fisher?

    It’s sad yet 100% not surprising to me that people loved this movie. To those thinking Plinkett isn’t a real Star Wars fan it’s my opinion that anyone who was “blown away” by the ending cannot call themselves a fan at all.

    I actually horrifically was wondering how they were going to pull Leia off or if they would even show her about 20 min or so in. Either that or thinking that someone fucked the timeline up real good.

    The myriad recycled images and lines started to get old real quick. I mean ya. It looks cool. -% originality or intellectually stimulating content.

    This is a movie made to get some money outa yo wallet. That’s it.

  • sepiajack

    I’ll be honest, I read through all the explanations and I’m more confused as to what any of this means than I was to begin with.

  • Jerome Gorden

    The end of Rogue One with Vader and Leia was embarrassing-cringe-worthy fan service. It was a lot like Mariah Carey doing a concert on New Year’s Eve.

  • Burgerlord

    Extra credit for the inclusion of an unintended Venn diagram.

  • Burgerlord

    It’s due to cognitive dissonance. That’s why it can be confusing. For example, they explain how they are proud to use the epithets, but then wind up using more epithets to attack their straw man opponents. Another example is how they talk about being “generalized”, and then follow up with a generalization about their supposed accusers. Other clues are sentences that begin with the following:
    – I’m not a racist, but…
    – I’m not a sexist, but…

  • Burgerlord

    Tie Fighters!

    X-Wings!

    Tie Fighters with X-Wings!

  • Couldn’t disagree with you more regarding this film. You guys loved The Force Awakens and hated this; I was the opposite. In fact, what you say about it not being a film when you remove the Star Wars name is how I felt about TFA, the majority of which was coasting on a series of familiar names, themes and faces. This film, if you took the branding off it, would still have a slim but perfectly reasonable and enjoyable plot involving a convincing band of characters. What I liked about it was that there was scarcely a lightsaber in it.

  • Omis

    I think they are hung up on it supposedly being a “stand alone” movie. Context was the only thing I disagreed with them about.

  • Jaws Lucas

    The ironic part is, they would, on this occasion, probably be right!

  • Mark Bisone

    CONTECTS!!!

  • Brendan

    You implied that TFA can’t be bad because it made a lot of money. Well Twilight made a ton of money too…

  • RLMkeepitup

    the next comment response video will take a further step back, by claiming the Twilight series was never good, which is of coarse completely false

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Here is a brief summary: A while back during the general election, Hillary Clinton made the comment:

    “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

    She basically called over thirty million people the absolute worst things imaginable even though there was no proof of it and zero basis for it. It hearkened back to when Romeny made his moronic 47% comment that he received so much backlash over from non other than Hillary and her acolytes.

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Um…I don’t hold inconsistent thoughts or opinions that are contradictory among themselves nor do they stand contrary to my actions. I know what views I hold and have held them for years and years.

  • That Guy ✓ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Agreed.

  • I felt the film got going after Saw Gerrera left the stage.
    I agree with what you say about RLM’s gripes; they seem particularly strange when compared to their generous praise of the deeply flawed last Star Wars film. Their point then (you can trace it back to their Prequel reviews that held the films up against Star Trek ’09) was that Star Wars didn’t need to be complicated; it needed to be dynamic, straightforward and likeable, and basically something to cheer. It’s a fair criticism to say the new characters weren’t all that ‘fun’, but I for one preferred their tone compared to the disingenuous and glib protagonists in TFA. Sure, the film is a little tilted toward fan-service, but not nearly on the level of JJ-Star Wars, and moreover, what fan-service there is is mostly quite clever and well-executed – and it serves the plot.
    One thing few people are mentioning that absolutely made a difference to me is that Rogue One is set against the same politics as the original films – this is crucial to the drama in my opinion, and both the Prequels and the new films fail because the political dynamic is not as starkly obvious.
    Let’s face it: Star Wars *is* fan-service, like James Bond films or any other perpetual franchise. At least this one went for something a bit bolder, and in my opinion it worked.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Tongue in cheek

  • Troll Prince The White

    But there was a lightsaber. A poll tested, fanboy approved lightsaber attack.

  • Troll Prince The White

    What happened at the end that “blew you away”. Did Vader finally do the BADASS things you always wanted him to?

  • Troll Prince The White

    You missed the point. They are saying the story is shit, the characters are boring and cliched. That without the SW window dressing the movie wasn’t good enough to stand on it own.

    This is the first stand alone story so it’s really the only one you can talk about in that way. All the other ones are part of saga.

    It’s kind of obvious to me that they are correct. Otherwise why all the fanboy ballwashing and cameos?

  • Yeah, but it was a minor part of the story. Certainly the Prequels and the last film were somewhat tedious in their overuse of lightsabers. Vader only used his for about 2 minutes. I don’t think the fan-service was egregious, and in any case such criticisms are a bit pointless. If you want more Star Wars, then it’s going to be fan-service on one level or another. I think RO did well with what it had.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I think they explained that some how as that the clones were no good or something? I forget.

    It’s all retarded. I doubt Lucas was thinking clones in the OT. He brought that in as an excuse FOR why they sucked at fighting and to make it easier to accept killing so many of them.

    Now they are back to being human and the suck even more at fighting and they kill more of them.

    So it’s whatever… I’m getting burned out thinking about this shit all the time… I need to go do some blow with a couple hookers named Sugar and Phat Gurl and remember that no of this shit matters at all…

  • Troll Prince The White

    But it been something that fanboys have been clamoring over of DECADES. “Vader in his full Sith glory!” or some fucking nonsense. There is zero need to have fan service in any Star Wars movie. It’s part of what made the prequels suck. And Disney doubled down on it. It’s cheap and makes me think they think we’re stupid.

  • Jaws Lucas

    It’s called make believe, ya know, like santa claus, the easter bunny, shit like that. It’s all B.S. folks. The whole thing. But hey people love it. It keeps their minds of real life, it works every time.

  • DeadWife

    He should have shown metacritic or RT score. The strokes have damaged his brain.

  • Jingo

    “You missed the point. They are saying the story is shit, the characters are boring and cliched.”

    In the three (?) videos about the movie so far, how much time is spent actually discussing why the story is shit, why the characters are boring and clichéd, and how much time has been spent on patting each other’s asses about how they just KNOW every bit of it is a sleazy, boardroom, manchild baiting scam, and how clever they are for being able to see through it?

    I don’t care if they hate it, there’s so many reasons to, but there’s such a thing as taking a position for completely stupid reasons, and that’s the thing that’s starting to drive me crazy about them. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, you can’t pretend to be knowledgeable about what you’re talking about and then try to laugh it off when you should be explaining yourself, or misdirect the real argument by going after shit that was never part of the argument, like:

    “This is the first stand alone story so it’s really the only one you can talk about in that way. All the other ones are part of saga.”

    Where did everybody get the idea that “standalone” meant “this has no connection to the sagas proper” instead of “a side story that is contained in one movie”? It’s the same thing as harping on how knowledge of the previous movies plays into the story.

    “Otherwise why all the fanboy ballwashing and cameos?”

    You mean like Force Awakens, which was even worse about it, but still a pretty fun movie?

  • Troll Prince The White

    Except Romney had proof.

  • Troll Prince The White

    “cognitive dissonance” – another buzz word that the brain-dead left have discovered in the last year.

    It called being nuanced you black and white pearl-clutching moralist!

  • Troll Prince The White

    It would be extremely fun. For you.

    It took me four sittings to past 40 minutes of TFA. I thought it was horrible. Finally managed to make it through for the sake of my niece and nephews who dying to see it.

    I saw a few scenes from Reshoot One including the silly opening. Laughable. Not Star Wars.

    I think the boys are saying it’s a given that the movies are going to be terrible movies and will mainly just function as nostalgia engines tricked out with a lot of fan service.

  • Like Icare

    Meanwhile, at the marketing department…

  • Like Icare

    *sound of a biplane engine starting up*

  • Like Icare

    Best time to be alive… Oh… wait… Was that too soon?

    R.I.P. Carrie Fisher. The one half of the one and one-half wandering Jews.

  • ReviewTheReviewers

    You guys are starting to sound like the career movie reviewers that are jaded and smell their own farts. Don’t become the rest of the stuffy film critics who can’t enjoy a film unless it’s some lauded indie project.

    Rogue One wasn’t the greatest star wars movie, it certainly wasn’t the worst, but it was entertaining. I know it’s not as entertaining as one of your favorites “The Hateful 8” where they sit in a cabin and play clue with each other. Would it stand on it’s own, maybe not. Same can be said about a lot of sequels in spite of your retort of a couple of one liners to catch the audience up. You are really nitpicking if your biggest gripe is that it needs the context of the Star Wars universe. Your old critiques used to break it down from a pure story telling perspective. Now you’ve gotten lazy and complain about a plot that you don’t like and pretend it doesn’t exist when it clearly does and was easy enough to follow. Your real issue seems to be that you don’t like that Disney is churning out Star Wars movies every year and have made it some corporate cash cow…

    I used to look forward to Plinkett reviews but it seems like Mike’s just not into it anymore and no one wants a half assed plinkett.

  • Like Icare

    There’s nothing to target. It was never more than a cynical cash grab. It never aspired to anything more.

    Original Star Wars had quite a few of things of value to which various spin-off cash grabs fail in comparison.

    All Marvel has is how much money each movie makes.

  • Like Icare

    Not to a poor teenage moisture farmer from Tatooine…

    Much like the way a bajilion of people keep polluting the internet with their inept photos taken at same old “famous” locations around cities inhabited by bajilions of people to whom those locations are just fucking sidewalks.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Alas you are probably correct…

  • Like Icare

    Not Cheers theme? Sure… Friends had Central Perk but still…
    A 50’s diner is much closer to a Cheers theme.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Good thinking, even better, although, unlike Friends, I like that show.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Dood… the Hateful Eight had interesting characters and good dialogue. It’s easy to entertain an audience when you have that. Even if they are just sitting around a room.

    That’s the problem with Disney Wars. The characters poorly developed and what they say and do are moldering cliches.

    The biggest entertainment company in the world should have done better with the most beloved franchise in the world. This isn’t Pirates of the Caribbean or comics books. It’s flipping Star Wars… it changed movies, culture and society.

    They owed us more. Especially after Lucas forgot what he was doing.

  • Like Icare

    Lack of Hollywood profits is a lie.

    They get to reap any shit they produce for the next 95 years. Across the entire planet. And then remake it. Again and again and again.
    No movie ever lost money in the long run.

    They are just pretending to be poor for tax porpoises.

  • Like Icare

    One word. Merchandizing.

  • sepiajack

    TFA had Finn/Rey/Kylo/BB8, who could support the movie on their own even if Han & Leia & Luke weren’t in it. What are you left with in Rogue One if you had just Jyn, Cassian, Krenic, and the other new characters who are unique to this film? Not very much except a dreary space war film.

    TFA could stand on its own even if it wasn’t a SW film or if you haven’t seen any of the others.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Don’t forget Captain Phasma, what a grate character that was.

  • sepiajack

    Well I don’t have any statistics to back it up, just going by every day interactions, but I would say a much higher percentage than 30 million are awful people, or 47% – probably more like 90-95% of people? I could be wrong – most people seem generally terrible.

  • sepiajack

    So a reference to King Arthur?

  • sepiajack

    I don’t know if she really qualifies as a character

  • God

    If I was real, I’d let Plinkett live forever.

  • Like Icare

    I never quite got into it…
    But I’ve never gotten to dislike it as I did with Friends. Which DID start off being fresh. And then went to new depths of not-fresh.

    Apart from Chandler.
    Mathew Perry is a charming fellow and one hell of a naval commander for an addict.

  • Troll Prince The White

    No, that would be The Green Knight.

    “White knight” is a man who is constantly coming to the aid of women online and in the real world so they will give him puss. They are male womynists but only because they think it give them a chance to club the wet seal. It rarely works with anything other than greenhairs or land whales.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Joey went off to better things though, like that Lost in Space movie, what a hit.

  • Like Icare

    But but but… it’s the chick who wears the suit of plate armor on that show wearing a suit of plate armor in the moopie!

  • TheVerySpecialK

    At the very least, he would keep the mosquitoes happy.

  • Darkling

    “Who wrote this, a fifth grader?”

    No – a guy from the Lucasfilm special effects department. ‘Nuff said, I guess. Now they’re not just using a story to tell special effects, they’re using /special effects/ to tell special effects.

  • TheVerySpecialK

    I was not entertained by Rogue One. I found it incredibly boring. I fail to understand how visuals alone can entertain people. That’s all Rogue One was: a series of mildly interesting images played on a screen without any effort to invest the audience in said images. If I am to be entertained by a film, I have to be invested in it. I don’t sit on my ass at a theater for 2 1/2 hours to see explosions and flashing lights. If I wanted that I’d just play some Star Wars video game.

  • Fizzgig

    I would like to challenge Plinkett’s claim about context, not in a “how much context was needed” way, but if R1 really needed context at all. The Star Wars universe has operated from a simple premise of good team vs bad team, and the religion that’s used by each side to further their team’s goal. Those 3 things act as a great foundation for any Star Wars story, and if you got that down, you don’t have to constantly try to explain things to new audiences. The OT does this perfectly, but other SW franchises have not. Please allow me a minute to explain.

    If any 3-part series needed context, it was the Prequels. This is not because it’s introducing Star Wars to a new generation of fans, but because the Empire, the Rebellion, and the Force are not there in simple terms. We have a Senate, a Trade Federation, and people who run around with pretty swords, and I don’t understand how any of it really operates. Forget midichlorians. The Force in the Phantom Menace is literally people specialized in fighting with lightsabers. Everything else about the Force is introduced in contradictory terms, from sensing certain premonitions but not others, to moving things. Is the little kid force sensitive? How should I know if Lucas really cares about lightsaber battles and midichlorians and assumes you know everything else?

    Plinkett has previously discussed some context being needed in TFA, particularly with good vs bad team. How did the First Order come to be? Why is the Rebellion still around? Without these explanations, the success from ROTJ and TFA seems rather deflated. People have argued that Rey’s use of the Force is jarring, because she learns alone, and Abrams made her story so secretive it’s hard to argue the logistics of the Force in this movie. It’s nice that people like Rey, but understanding how she can use the Force so well is important, too, and Abrams clearly cared more about action, mystery, and likable characters than explaining the Force to people in clearly defined terms.

    For R1, the Empire are clearly horrible people. We understand the power structure. There’s an emperor, and if you’re not worthy of talking with him, you go to a Lord. Vader uses the force to intimidate and kill people. The Empire is vast and are Hellbent on galactic domination at any cost. It’s simple and easy to understand. The Rebellion are a spattering of people who are fighting a losing battle, and don’t yet have a galvanized incident to bring everyone together as a unified team. Each person in the Rebellion has their own agenda, and when trying to operate like a senate or even separately, fail spectacularly. Jyn and her team forge their own trail that sets the Rebellion on the right path.

    Chirrut isn’t really a character with an arc, rather a surrogate for explaining the Force to the audience. He can sense the good or bad in other people and their intentions. He relies on intuition to accomplish tasks that the audience would deem foolhardy. He doesn’t see blindness or no-win-situations (like being in their jail cell) as disadvantages. It’s not the Force from a Jedi’s view, but rather a normal person who deeply believes in something beyond the physical, without being a master at harnessing it.

    Chirrut’s counterpoint is his sidekick, Malbus, who obviously doesn’t see the world the same way. He believes in strength through weaponry, and thinks Chirrut would fail without him. It could be argued that Chirrut’s death isn’t to make us feel sad, but the impetus for Malbus to find his own faith, and show us that the Force is for everyone, even people who don’t initially believe it or have lost their way.

    This isn’t to argue if the film is good or not, what tone is acceptable in Star Wars, or which characters are likable. It’s just to ponder what fan introductions are needed with Star Wars trilogies or standalone films. I think Rogue One accomplished Star Wars fundamentals in a way TFA and the Prequels did not, which is why Rogue One resonates with me in the same way the OT did. Have a good day.

  • Darkling

    Sure, that would be true if they had marketed it as “Star Wars Episode III point IX – Rogue One”. Instead, it’s “Rogue One – A Star Wars Story”. Nowhere in those six words is anything implied other than that the movie is set somewhere in the Star Wars continuity. There is nothing to indicate that you /have/ to have seen other movies in the series to understand Rogue One, and that’s just poor planning and/or writing.

    The drama to a movie’s plot should stand on its own and be at least somewhat relatable whether or not you’ve seen other movies in the series. They could have easily established the stakes of the Empire/Rebellion conflict and the danger that the Death Star presents in just a couple of scenes. Instead, we just get a fanservice-laden movie that will be bewildering to anyone who’s never seen a Star Wars movie before. “Who in the what now? Guy in a castle wearing a black mask? Guy with a bad CGI face? Plans to a thing? Castle guy has a red sword now? Wait, they didn’t blow up the thing even though they got the plans? Where’s the ending of the movie?”

  • ReviewTheReviewers

    to each his own. I was entertained and I’m not alone, and I’m not some mouth breather.

  • ReviewTheReviewers

    The Hateful Eight was a Quentin Tarantino version of Clue. Long exposition and gruesome deaths. That might not be entertaining to some. See where I’m going with this?

  • doctorr

    For someone who hates these movies so much, you sure spend a lot of time thinking about them and complaining about them on the interwebs. What’s up with that?

  • Darkling

    I think my other comment about this is still in moderation for including a link to the Star Wars wiki, but apparently they’re AT-ACTs – cargo-carrying variants of AT-ATs. That would explain the large open cargo bay.

  • Ed Wood

    “Why does the stormtroopers even wears armor if a blunt object would kill them?”… Sounds stupid, but well established in Return of the Jedi.

    All I hear in this video is the sound of butthurt. Mike is pissed that his own fanboys are questioning his opinions since TFA.

    Rogue One is no masterpiece, but it’s competent and entertaining enough to count as a better prequel than the prequels Lucas gave us.

    Last point. Dismissing an argument because it’s spelled wrong is a cheap shot. Many RLM fans as myself aren’t born with english as their mother tongue. So when you read it and just one or two words (or some letters) are missing and laugh about it sarcastically, you do not address that argument. You just prove that you are assholes.

    Really, I love you guys, but recently, you have become disagreeably condescending

  • skidmark

    Exactly. Any well-reasoned criticism was cast aside in favor of a stupid comments full of misspellings or typos.

  • I literally just watched the Hateful Eight with my mother – her reaction was interesting. At first she didn’t like the movie because Kurt Russell was beating the shit out of Jennifer Jason Leigh – so we had a short discussion about shock value and hyperbolic entertainment. Then later on the Mexican’s head exploded and she burst out laughing. I’ll say one thing – Quentin Tarantino knows how to entertain, even when he divides his own audience in the same theater – even divide them internally. By the end she loved it – I think she even learned the value of slapstick gore.

  • skidmark

    Agree in total. The irony is that while I loved the first film, I didn’t care for any of the sequels. This one I enjoyed. I am anything but a “fanboi.”

    But the lickspittles that rush to RLM’s defense come off as exactly the kind of basement dwelling fantasists that RLM derides in each of the R1 videos.

  • skidmark

    This is where RLM shows their drunken idiocy. Empire on it’s own is pile of poop.

    Han is frozen, Luke loses his hand and everybody is running away. “To Be Continued.”

    There is no fucking way that POS stands on its own.

  • TheVerySpecialK

    I saw Hateful Eight at the theater with a bunch of friends. Right before it started, this old couple (probably in their 70s) walks in and sits up a few rows from us. As the movie went on, we kept looking over at them to see what their reaction was. They were laughing their asses off the whole time.

  • Welcome Back Otter

    I wouldn’t say Jedi is well written. Aside from continuity problems at the start of Jedi (and I’m sure the books somehow explain why 3PO says Chewie never came back from Jabba’s palace, but then suddenly shows up with Leia), the whole plan to rescue Han is nonsensical. But do I still like it? Sure.

  • Craig Duncan

    >but it seems like Mike’s just not into it anymore and no one wants a half assed plinkett.
    There could be a danger or just churning them out to keep the brand alive for commercial reasons.

  • Bubs

    It continually amazes me how people still don’t understand what Plinkett means by “context”. How is it that fucking hard of a concept to grasp?

    If you remove the Star Wars stuff from Rogue One, does the STORY still work? NO. IT DOESN’T.

    To which people say, “Well that just means Plinkett is wrong and context is important. der herf” No, it means you still don’t get it. If you were to take this same exact plot and characters, but set it on Earth during WW2 Nazi Germany, would the movie still work? Make Jyn a Nazi war-camp escapee. Make the Ninja just a right wing religious nut who believes in the power of Christ, and all the other characters are thugs/mercs. Does the movie work? NO. The characters are still written horribly – being flat and boring and saying some of the most uninteresting dialogue ever written; the plot is still absurd and attempting to hide its awfulness behind explosions; and the entire film still fails to evoke any sense of emotion – except now it can’t even bank on evoking feelings of nostalgia because all the Star Warsy stuff is gone.

    In other words, without Star Wars being in the name, would anyone watch this fucking movie? NO. It would be Netflix trash by the end of the month.

  • Lute Hende

    Oh! Didn’t know. o0 Only played ME2 but man was it awesome! (Grunt fanboy!). And saw the gta video. no words…

  • Jaws Lucas

    Although, a movie about a right wing religious ninja who believes in the power of Christ sounds kinda cool. I think we may need Len to direct this.

  • Erwin

    This back and forth between Mr. Plinkett and his fans is really fun. I want more retards to comment!

  • Bruce

    Just another EA victim man. That is why Bioware is doubling down on the Sam Maggs type rhetoric. They know Edmonton and Montreal studios are going to be closed soon. Funny thing is she was an unethical hire in the first place because she wrote articles for sites like PC Gamer lauding only recent Bioware games and lauding them only for SJW reasons, while she basically advertised Bioware store products on her twitter while tweeting about ending the patriarchy. The only reason these studios adopt the SJW stuff or allow someone like Manveer Heir to actually be a racist against whites and give hate speech on his twitter calling them a different species, is to try to spin mediocre products as great, while calling criticism “racist, bigoted or phobic.” They use minorities and women as a shield to protect themselves from criticism. If anything this actually hurts women. Now every time I see over the top marketing with “strong female character” I just assume the movie is garbage and they can’t advertise it as just a good film.

    Sad thing is women will probably get less prominent roles due to companies like Sony or Bioware and their disgusting marketing.

  • She said she *wasn’t* blown away.

  • Completely disagree. I thought everyone in RO was compelling and enigmatic. They didn’t need to be quippy or to have banter in order to be likeable. Also, I felt the main character had far more credibility than Daisy Ridley, and her skill set was justified by a small amount of exposition.
    I disliked TFA to the point where I didn’t want to see another SW film, but I’m glad I saw RO. It’s not the greatest film ever; it’s just good.

  • Well I really liked it. Does it matter if other people wanted to see it if the end result was enjoyable? I’m not saying it isn’t fan service, what I’m saying is the same criticism can be applied to the last film (more so), and RLM liked that one.
    I agree Star Wars is about commerce; I think you have to accept that. It’s the eighth film.

    Plinkett’s reviews of the prequels were acutely perceptive, but latterly his stuff feels like nitpicking.

  • This. Kylo Ren specifically says, against the advice of his advisors, that he won’t authorize the use of clones. Probably something of a “purist” mentality. Which apparently didn’t pay off because you have people like Finn just wandering off and blowing shit up with Jedis.

  • Joe Syxpac

    Len is still working on Bite of the Mummy.

    But if there are crucifix shaped throwing stars I’m all for it.

  • I wanna bring something up about “characters talking during fight scenes” – although this is not a needed thing like Plinkett said – I still think that it helps establish that you have actual CHARACTERS in the fight scene – that it’s not just disconnected, dizzying action choreography. This brings me back to the prequels a little – I’m talking like the most over the top action scene at the end of episode 3. Just a complete disconnected series of special effects/choreography – it’s like a scene from a musical. In a musical, all dialogue tends to stop so that they can have an “exciting action sequence”, which in reality is two guys going “YAAH YAAAH” at eachother with fake swords until the raging orchestra cues them to fall over. However if you have characters reflecting on their situation verbally, you get more of a sense for how and why they react to certain things at certain times. It means you have CHARACTERS in a SCENE. That’s not to say that this is how it HAS to be done, because if you already know the character you might get some sense that they still are that character through the way they handle situations – this on the other hand can be harder to detect and not as effective. It requires clever writing to establish a character verbally and still have their actions without words reflect on what they’ve established thusfar.

  • But his stuff was always nitpicking, there’s just less to talk about/dissect now. There are entire sections of his old reviews where he goes over the same scene again and again and again – and don’t get me wrong, I was entertained – but we got the point early on. Him overdoing it is part of the entertainment value.

  • That’s fair. But whereas the original Plinkett reviews were very insightful, this is the sort of opinion that they cover enough in HITB. The Prequels were terrible enough to be called out publicly, and RLM did it with panache. I’ll maintain that the reason SW is what it is now is almost directly a consequence of those reviews. It’s easy to slag off ‘fanboy service’, but the reality is Disney is not courting fanboys, who are a guaranteed audience – they’re trying to get middle aged guys who used to like Star Wars to like it again, and although it’s hard to swallow, I think it’s too easy to shoot fish in a barrel. Let’s give credit where it’s due: RO is not terrible. Mr Plinkett can both be hilariously pedantic and make a more worthy point, I’m sure.

  • Brian Levine

    Maybe I missed something but why does Jyn want to go and steal the plans when the Rebels not only planned to kill her father, but in all likelihood WERE responsible for his death? What’s her motivation?

    And once again, I hate that now the Death Star was designed to blow up. Way to ruin the ending of my favorite Star Wars movie for me.

  • rikkibarnes

    > And once again, I hate that now the Death Star was designed to blow up. Way to ruin the ending of my favorite Star Wars movie for me. <

    Silly Brian Levine! But Rogue One "fixed" that "plot hole" because it just didn't make any sense in the OT! Even though it did. If you paid actual attention.

  • Brian Levine

    Silly me? Of course I paid attention! Luke switched off his targeting computer and used the Force. I didn’t need a technical explanation for how he was able to do it any more than I needed to hear that Midichlorian nonsense.

  • Bubs

    I never saw the exhaust port as being a mistake. To me it was always just a necessary flaw in the design (a giant space cannon needs to vent heat) that they didn’t think was that big of a deal. It’s an example of the Empire’s hubris. They think a 2 meter exhaust port would pose no threat to them. And even if it did, the place is the size of a small moon. Who could possibly know about it?

    Except now Rogue One tells us that The Empire knew that the Rebels knew it was there. So now the Empire isn’t blindly proud, it’s stunningly retarded.

  • rikkibarnes

    > Dismissing an argument because it’s spelled wrong is a cheap shot. Many RLM fans as myself aren’t born with english as their mother tongue. <

    For one, there are many english speaking people out there that are just shitty with the language. Another is that if someone is that bad at reading/writing/speaking english, then they need to practice more before they try getting into arguments online. At the very least, use a translator or another online device to assist. On top of it all, even without the grammar and spelling errors, they lack a coherent argument and/or suck at actually putting forth their opinion properly.

  • rikkibarnes

    > I’m not some mouth breather. <

    That miiiight be debatable.

  • rikkibarnes

    > Of course, your post was sarcasm, wasn’t it? <

    Basically. When I wrote 'you', I meant viewers in general.

  • rikkibarnes

    Whoa, great comeback! Never seen that one before, and certainly not from the fanatical Star Wars sect!

  • bmcelvan .

    Wait…I think I’m confused. When was Plinkett ever NOT AN ASSHOLE! That is his character!!!

  • Propranolol50mgonceadayforever

    I like the robot with all the lightsaber arms. general greediest or whatever his name was. Is he in this ? Hes the best star wars of the film ! i like his catchphrase ” It’s a Niiiightmarrrre!! “

  • bmcelvan .

    More to this point…it’s an online debate/statement/argument/comment. You literally HAVE ALL DAY TO GET THE GRAMMAR CORRECT. It’s not that hard!!
    Also, I find it hilarious when Plinkett reads the grammar/spelling mistakes/moronic attempts at an idea/thought/argument out loud!

  • bmcelvan .

    >You are really nitpicking if your biggest gripe is that it needs the context of the Star Wars universe.<

    Seriously, this is your argument??? WITHOUT PROPER CONTEXT, no story, book, movie/film, documentary, fairy tale you read your kids at night or argument used in a debate has any meaning!

    Literally, without context, ideas are meaningless jibberish!!

  • bmcelvan .

    I enjoyed Rogue One in the theatre…I was entertained. But I planned on going back to see it and you know what, I never did…nor am I going to. After reflecting on the movie, trying to remember who and what the characters were, I really couldn’t come up with a reason to go back and see it!

    It’s just not that good/engaging!

    …and there is nothing wrong with that nor is there anything wrong with Mike, Jay, Rich and crew pointing out why this ISN’T A GOOD FILM!!

  • “I know it’s not as entertaining as one of your favorites “The Hateful
    8″ where they sit in a cabin and play clue with each other.” Dear oh dear.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Yes. To idiots. Those people don’t understand or like RLM.

  • Troll Prince The White

    That’s a good point about being “designed to blow up”… way to make a retardedly simple movie for simpletons that shits all over the first movie.

    Why not just make Jyn hate her father because he’s an bad guy?

  • Troll Prince The White

    Oh. I’m just reflectively attacking people now. Time to move to the desert.

  • Troll Prince The White

    You must be a millenial psychologist! Should I get a life? Or Educate myself? Or… let’s see… what else… am I angry?

  • Troll Prince The White

    TFA was mouse shit too. I don’t know why they didn’t smash it. Some others mentioned they might have been swept up in the hype.

    We know they are huge SW fans and maybe simply seeing a SW movie that was “fun” and had “fun” characters was enough for them to be satisfied.

  • RLMkeepitup

    the power of christ impales you

  • Jaws Lucas

    Well you just did comment didn’t you.

  • Jaws Lucas

    So basically you’re suggesting George Lucas knew what he was doing.

  • Jaws Lucas

    I think you’re quoting the audience.

  • lol it’s cool, I do it sometimes too

  • Spoiled Ants

    I hope that last line is a Dewey Cox reference.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Maybe he should just show the CAT Scan then.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Grevious
    Maul
    (In)Sidious

    FUCK YOU, GEORGE LUCAS

  • Troll Prince The White

    Han is also irresponsible “He’s the brains, sweetheart”… a 15 year old kid

  • Troll Prince The White

    Just compare the dialogue to the OT.

    “i find your lack of faith disturbing”… HAHA… he’s evil but he’s also sarcatic!

    “don’t choke on your aspirations”… JESUS… he’s making obvious puns…

  • Ygoraphobic

    The “plot hole” wasn’t that there had to be a small intentional vulnerability to vent heat, etc. The plot hole is who the heck would design a thermal exhaust shaft in such a way that a torpedo fired into it is going to hit the reactor core? Pretty sure most exhaust systems I’ve seen on virtually any structure tend to angle them in such a way that stuff goes out and doesn’t come back in. 😛

  • Ygoraphobic

    When your father basically gave himself up to evil in order to save your life and then goes through all the life-risking trouble to get a message to you and tells you that you gotta go do something, I imagine there’s some motivation to do it? Also, her surrogate father basically believed in the cause…oh yeah and her father’s dying breath was something about having to stop the Empire. Maybe all that might have something to do with it? I admit though, it would have been better if all that came across more in her own dialogs, and it would have been nice to see that she was conflicted based on the way the Rebels have acted as well. We are basically forced to assume her motivations rather than know them.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Chewie never went there. They lied to the droids so they wouldn’t know the plan.

    The plan is great. They get multiple bites at the apple.

  • RedLetterMediumsDotCorn

    Before Rogue came out I was super apathetic and watched everyone around me trip over their boners for it. Like my ex, who saw and loved it, but we also disagreed about TFA and the to a certain extent the prequels. He’s a longtime fan and it makes me feel like maybe I’m not. I feel like I got everything I needed from 1 2 3, I mean 4 5 6 (ugh). I feel like now I should just go watch the fucking thing and get it over with. If only to see awful CGI actors.
    What a shitty rant…sorry.

  • Troll Prince The White

    SW is fan service? No, it’s not.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Is it worth two hours of your life?

    Maybe when you go to see another movie at the complex pop into Reshoot One a couple of times for some laughs…

    The real fans hate the PT and they laugh at Di$ney War$ and those who enjoy them.

  • Joe Syxpac

    Hey, now. There’s no reason to bring up the altar boy scandal.

  • RedLetterMediumsDotCorn

    Ahahaa, yeah! Maybe I’ll just pop in at the end of Refund One for a quick look at poor CGI Carrie…man that just seems in poor taste now…
    I can’t trust Disney with anything anymore. When Bob Iger talks all I hear is a sleazy car salesman.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Did you feel inspired? Did it change your life?

    If not then it’s not Star Wars.

  • Joe Syxpac

    No wonder you two split up.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Unfortunately, as a comic book kid I got hoodwinked by Disney into all the marvel movies. I think the fanboys of both franchises have made me more adamant about not contributing to either Marvel or SW any more. Also the cucked reviews. How is a Dr. Strange getting 90%+ on RT? I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked like Inception to me.

  • RedLetterMediumsDotCorn

    I wish I was above that kinda thing. But alas, it wasn’t totally unrelated. I’m such a douuuche.

  • Propranolol50mgonceadayforever

    Isn’t there too many star war films now anyways ? How about some remakes/updates to other beloved franchai ? I’d love to see them remake Jaws at long last. Get all those old ass white men out of the boat and replace with modern, diverse young actors/actresses. Let’s have a gender fluid shark this time too. None of that privileged “Bruce” crap. Does McG still make movies ? I’d simply LOVE to see his re-imaginings of Kubrick’s work. ” 2001 Hardwired! ” Or even a Wayan’s send up called ” Kubrick Movie! “.Time to let Star War go people. It’s for Children – Lucas said himself !

  • onenil

    I might take your assessments more seriously if you guys hadn’t tried to tell me a month ago that Neon Demon was a good film.

  • Gentle Robot

    No one’s ever been thrown out of Panera.

  • Gentle Robot

    Why didn’t he just send the plans?
    Instead he sends this elaborate scavenger hunt.
    Why did they need to see him anyway? They could have just gone straight to the library planet.

  • Gentle Robot

    I think a lot of people were bothered about that whole “chain reaction” thing. Seemed like a really suspicious weakness that the rebels just happened to find.

  • Omis

    It’s not a plot hole. It’s a contrivance that’s actually addressed in the movie. The Empire designed the Death Star around large scale attacks. They didn’t consider one man fighter any threat.
    Even the pilots didn’t think it was possible to hit the target.

  • Gentle Robot

    Rogue One would have been way better without all the prequel crap. No Vader, no CGI-necrophilia Tarkin, no Death Star, no Tatooine 3, no Mon Mothma fer crissakes and no friggin Yavin 4 watch tower guy.

    “I think it is time we demonstrated the full power of this station,” even though we just did like three times

  • Gentle Robot

    we are stupid. we all paid to see this movie

  • Gentle Robot

    The Hateful Eight was not entertaining.

  • Troll Prince The White

    They examined the plans and found a weakness.

    Is it a glaring weakness? Yeah. But lots of things have glaring weaknesses that look retarded in hindsight.

  • Brian Levine

    Heh…I had an issue with Mike LIKING Jurrasic Park I Phase 2…EERRRRRR…Jurrasic World.

  • Brian Levine

    Story-wise…to kill him.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Haha! I didn’t. I didn’t even watch more than 10 minutes of it. Saw some really disturbing shit like “Don’t choke on your ambitions”.

    I did pay for TFA twice. Hard to sneak into the theater with 3 kids or a fat woman.

  • Brian Levine

    I cite you The Levine Principle:

    “Every system and every process everywhere is broken.”

    You don’t need to design a flaw into something. They’re already riddled with them. Try calling your phone company or bank to try and resolve a problem.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Well, you probably have a low to average IQ, are a social justice warrior who was offended by the N-word and the hitting of women or are a conditioned fanboy who needs splosions.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Lucas? Never. His collaborators did. That’s why Kurtz left over the Death Star and Ewoks in Jedi.

  • doctorr

    I’m not making assumptions about your emotional state or having-a-life status. Just making an observation. I hated the shit out of the prequels and have definitely done my share of bitching about them online. (That’s how I came to be an RLM fan, now that I think about it.) But that was because they ruined something I love — namely the OT. On the other hand I think Marvel movies generally suck but I’m not interested in them enough to complain about them to the interwebs. But I do notice your username includes the word “Troll” so maybe there’s a reason for that.

  • doctorr

    It’s not a ‘comeback.’ Just an observation. And I’m certainly not claiming to have been the first to make it. You’re being quite hyperbolic characterizing me as being a member of some fanatical Star Wars sect. I enjoyed R1 even though I recognize the movie had flaws. I resent the belittling of anyone who enjoyed the move as idiotic drooling at the mouth ‘fan boys.’ RLMs criticisms for this movie — and for people who don’t share their stated (but I found disingenuous) disdain for it — are overly harsh and inconsistent, to the positive reviews they’ve given to movies with similar and sometimes even worse flaws, like TFA.

  • doctorr

    Well stated, and there’s a reason why your comment here will be overlooked by Mr. Plinkett in any future commentary on these comments.

  • doctorr

    Oops looks like you’ve already made the point I just made (Plinkett not going to use this comment). Cheers!

  • FanComment213

    (in)Vader
    Plagueis
    (heart)Palpat(ation)ine
    Sn(a)oke

  • That was just Jay, and I’d expect it from him. I thought it was fine, but I don’t think I liked it near as much as he did.

  • Dustin Dye

    I agree with you, Mr. Plinkett. A friend of mine saw Rogue One with her brother without having seen a Star Wars movie before. She had no idea what it was about, or why she should care or see any of the other movies. The ending made no sense to her. Her brother is a geek and explained it, but she still didn’t care.

  • doctorr

    “In Rogue One the use of AT-ATs was purely fan service.”

    Yeah I guess those AT-ATs in R1 were just shitty ‘fan service.’ They made no sense in the context of being in this battle even though they were perfect in Empire. As Rich said in an earlier video “They didn’t use AT-ATs in Empire because [fanboy accent] ‘that’s a badass concept'[/fanboy accent]. They were in there because we need a thing in the snow that’s a threat.

    Hey, you know what was also definitely fan service? It was also in Empire Strikes Back, which everyone agrees is the most awesomest awesome Star Wars movie of all — from sophisticated Star Wars connoisseurs who can tell a good Star Wars movie from shitty one like the RLM guys — to the most mouth breathing fanboy who somehow enjoyed R1.

    Luke uses an X-Wing fighter to get off Hoth and fly through the galaxy and get to different planets. They could have given him a different kind of ship that would make sense for long range intergalactic travel, not something that had been presented to us as short-range combat fighter in the previous movie. But they didn’t. You know why? Because everyone fucking loved X-Wing fighters (read this in Rich’s fanboy accent)”X Wing fighters fucking rule! They’re an awesome concept!” Fans wanted to be served and X Wing, the writer knew it, and so they served up an X-Wing.

    If you want to be a cynical dick and shit on Empire, you can start there, and you should if you want to be consistent to your cyncial dickery here with the fucking AT-ATs in R1.

  • nametaken

    is this replacing BoTW?

  • Gentle Robot

    I’m actually a butter churner from the planet Rigel 7.
    It was a boring play passed off as a movie. Whoever leaked the script did Tarantino a favor.

  • Gentle Robot

    Yeah you don’t get to give yourself credit for saying “the system is broken” when people have been spouting it for decades

  • Gentle Robot

    Which would, in a logical universe, serve the purpose of turning Jin against the rebellion.

  • Gentle Robot

    I’m not holding up the plot point in the star wars prequel sequel spinoff as some kind of holy text. I’m explaining it. I don’t care if it’s dumb.

  • david dallas

    Good point about the James Bond analogy. And you’re spot on with the TFA fan service. If fan service upsets you then I don’t see how you can like TFA.

  • Jerome Gorden

    These soulless corporate hacks did not take Vader seriously at all. Was this stupid one-liner supposed to be funny? Hey Disney, can we hear Vader say “Yippee Ki Yay, motherfucker” in the next film? That’ll be awesome!!

  • Brian Levine

    But the fact that every system (and process) is broken is much more sweeping. It declares that flaws are a natural consequence to the dehumanization of our systems.

    My favorite example: I walked into a convenience store to buy a soda. Their registers were down and they could not fathom how to sell one to me manually. I offered to leave two dollars (significantly higher than the actual price), but the befuddled clerks were unable to comprehend that.

  • Troll Prince The White

    OK… well what are you favorite 5 movies. what tv shows do you watch. how old are you. Have you even been to a comiccon? Do you have any comic related clothing? Do you own action figures or other collectable? How many women have you had sex with? Are any of your children gay? Do you have any black or hispanic friends who have been to jail?

  • Brian Levine

    But, but…Rick McCallum!

  • Troll Prince The White

    Holy shit that made me busted out loud laughing… I’m glad my mom is at her church group or else she would have hit me with a spoon and took away my modem.

  • Cat Stowell

    Not nearly enough here about baby’s day out, goddamnit. What the duck is a star wart?

  • LameSame

    I WILL END YOU

  • LameSame

    Yeah… but the X Wing is kind of like Luke’s horse. It’s his vehicle of choice. He flies it well. It’s a tool he knows in and out. It’s got nostalgic properties for him. There’s character connection there, and a sensible reason for why he uses it. Much more than just “fan service”, in my humble opinion. So let’s not start there!

  • Jerome Gorden

    Plinkett and RLM take pedophilia very seriously.

  • Rey vs Jyn comparisons are inevitable I suppose, but I was amazed at the difference. Example: Rey, with no dramatic impetus whatsoever, decides not to escape her prison through the doors that Finn and Han come in by (after it’s already been established that she can hotwire door mechanisms), but instead to rappel down a precipitous and exposed interior wall in the enemy base. Disney spent so much needless time trying to establish a credibility to Rey that Felicity Jones earns just by virtue of exposition and what’s implied by the fact she’s adopted by a fighter and later escapes from prison. Jyn makes the ‘you’re sexist if you hate Rey’ argument even more embarrassing if you ask me. Rey’s like a video game character. If Jyn was Rey she’d have busted herself out of prison, made a needless speech about not needing anyone’s help and blown up the Death Star before it was even finished.

  • Troll Prince The White

    That’s kind of silly and reductionist. And I think you know it.

    X-Wings are NEVER presented or talked about as a short range fighter. That’s tie fighters.

    Fan service would have been x-wings on hoth.

    EXCEPT THEY BROKE NEW GROUND with the snow speeders. Side note: Speeders are for air operations, X-Wings are for space operations. X-Wings flying around in an atmosphere at attack speed goes against the OT. Falcon and Tie FIghters too.

    The only time the OT didn’t break new ground was the Death Star 2.

    Fan Service is having characters in it from the first movie. On another planet. For no reason.

    And there are 23 more instances. At least.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I feel sorry for that girl. Tell her to email me.

  • Troll Prince The White

    That guy was the biggest yes man since Von Hidenberg.

  • RLMkeepitup

    you changed your picture too #2017

  • Andy James

    Nearly 800 comments? Fuck.

  • That was just Jay.

  • Jerome Gorden

    Change the “J” to “g”

  • LameSame

    IT’S A TRAP

  • sepiajack

    That all sounds rather bizarre, but it wasn’t the knight part I was referring to, I thought maybe you were making reference to ‘The Magnanimous Cuckold”

  • sepiajack

    But how did the RLM guys know who voted for who so they could assign the labels?

  • William Thomason

    You know, there was an AT-AT on the Endor moon in Return of the Jedi. Seems like that would serve even less purpose than in Rogue One. Just saying.

  • Troll Prince The White

    You got em. All criticism rendered invalid. Hey RLM, They know. Shut it down!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Troll Prince The White

    HAHAHAHAAH. I have no idea what that is but it sound funny.

  • Charon

    This video AND this comment section should be called “Lurk MOAR”, amirite?

    Some dipshit two videos ago had the nerve to call me a troll. Maybe he was RIGHT? *_*

  • doctorr

    Yeah, sorry, but it’s straight-up ridiculous for the same military spacecraft designed for ship-to-ship dogfights to also suffice for intergalactic transportation. I’m pretty sure you know it, but are forgiving it in Empire, for the same reason I do, and just choose not to think about it too hard because X Wings are cool. It’s certainly far more absurd than the idea of X-Wings (or Tie Fighters, or the MF) to incapable flying at “attack speeds” in a planet’s atmosphere. Was that even mentioned as a limitation in the OT? Correct me if I’m wrong and point me to a line of dialog or something that makes that claim, but I think you’re making that up.

    I agree the snow speeders were cool; definitely better to watch fight AT-ATs than X-Wings would have been. BTW, how do you suppose the Empire got those gigantic stormtrooper-laden AT-ATs to sprout up on Hoth’s surface? Must have been some gigantic ship capable of entering Hoth’s atmosphere, dropping the giant tanks on stilts off and then collecting them later…. wonder why we never see that vehicle, and why if it was so huge that it could deliver AT ATs, why it couldn’t just deliver the shit-ton of stormtroopers right on top of the rebel base? The answer: unlike Rich’s contention, AT-ATs were in Empire precisely because “That’s a badass concept!” Some creative mind brilliantly thought giant , near-invincible tanks that look like mechanical elephants marching through the snow would be awesome. And so, in spite of the many logical contradictions, got to behold giant tanks that look like elephants marching through the snow. And it was awesome.

  • Burgerlord

    At least you aren’t racist against colored pearls. I’ll give you points for that.

  • Charon

    Oh, it’s you again!

    The dipshit!

    #HATERZGONHATE THO

  • RLMkeepitup

    had he posted a youtube© comment, yes RLM would likely be finished. but he um. he didnt do that.. *fart*

  • Cat Stowell

    Or he was in an x wing because those models were already built and established, and it would’ve cost time and money to develop new models. Hey remember! Movies used to cost money and producers were taking a gamble. But I guess it’s easier to spout hate than respect other peoples’ OPINIONS!

    OPINIONS! facts r difrunt :/

  • Troll Prince The White

    We only ever saw X-Wings levitating into orbit in atmosphere, never flying at speed, in the OT. Disney doesn’t understand Star Wars.

    They are never called “short range fighters”. Only Tiefighters are.

    The ATAT transports – like any SPACE SHIP – move very slow in an atmosphere and would have been very vulnerable to ground fire on Hoth.

    The ATATs could be much more heavily armored with actually physical armor and not just shields because they didn’t have to fly. They shrugged off laser fire, even from ships and huge gun turrents.

    The Empire might have had speeders to use in an assault but they weren’t “adapted to the cold”.

    The ATATs have legs because the #1 against tanks are ditches and berns, both of which the ATAT can climb over.

    It’s simple if you think about it.

  • Burgerlord

    That’s ok. I’m totally fine with sharks eating white dudes.

  • Burgerlord

    He was a hybrid. His name was….wait for it…..

    General Prius.

    (•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)

  • Burgerlord

    I think, and I’m vaguely remembering this, he just designed the gun, not the whole station. IIRC, the station was designed by those bug people in the prequels. He probably only had access to some of the designs, which makes sense. Need to know basis.

  • Gentle Robot

    1. Real Housewives of Minsk, the movie
    2. Justice League part 1
    3. Magical Mystery Tour
    3. Helvetica 2
    5. Shakespeare in Love

  • david dallas

    More than the first video! Got to hand it to those hacks!

  • Troll Prince The White

    Now answer the rest

  • doctorr

    I don’t care if X-Wings were called short range fighters or not. In A New Hope they functioned as short range fighters. The same military spacecraft designed
    for ship-to-ship dogfights should not be capable intergalactic
    transportation. It’d be like an F-16 that can fly from the US straight to fight in Iraq, and fly back. But whatever; starting with the second scene of A New Hope where we meet a bipedal, humanoid robot, there are a million illogical, impractical things to pick apart in the OT if you are so inclined.

    I see you doing mental gymnastics to justify illogical, impractical elements that happened in Empire, but this back-and-forth is growing tiresome. You’re free to get the last word in if you want, but I should do some actual work. While it wasn’t perfect, I enjoyed Rogue One for the things there were to enjoy about it. You and RLM are free to hate on it and deride those of us who don’t agree with your hate.

  • Troll Prince The White

    IT DIDN’T BREAK NEW GROUND!!!

    Humanoid robots would be preferable as interpreters because they would be AROUND HUMANS ALL THE TIME! CHECKMATE, Mouse Molester!!!

  • david dallas

    Would anyone have gone to see TFA if it was about a girl and a dude trying to get some map to someone we never heard of before?

    This is a Star Wars story, it says so in the title! You can’t take the Star Wars out of this movie. I understand why the RLM crew didn’t care for the movie. And I can certainly understand if you are not familiar with Star Wars that you would feel lost and confused (adding some brief explanations would not have hurt).

    But a lot of us are very familiar (maybe to familiar haha) with the materiel and loved seeing what is basically an extended prologue to New Hope play out.

    The very context of the movie is Star Wars. That is the movie’s DNA.

  • david dallas

    That was odd that they did that. Box office does not equal quality. Phantom Menace made a lot too.

  • david dallas

    Couldn’t agree more. TFA, like Abram’s Star Trek reboot, needs the IP. Though I did enjoy Awakens.

  • david dallas

    I agree with you. The one thing I would say in Rey’s defense is she is just plain more likable. Call it charisma maybe, or maybe it’s Ridley’s eyes, but Rey was someone you could get behind, even if she seemed to have all of Han and Luke’s abilities combined…and was only in danger when she forget she knew everything.

  • Burgerlord

    For this movie, I’m ok with fan service. After all, I paid (well, I sort of paid), so why not service me. The reason I’ll let it pass is because this movie was not really necessary, so if they want to take chances and just throw some stuff in, so be it. Better this than EP8 and 9.

    BTW, It would have been totally cool if they had Ewoks running around on the beach so that we could see them all die from heat exhaustion.

  • Propranolol50mgonceadayforever

    Ok, gotta bow to you for that one.

  • Propranolol50mgonceadayforever

    Though, old white men meats are probably a bit tough, especially that Quint guy. Must taste of old boots! I’m merely thinking of the shark’s bowel evacuations, is all. What about a plot twist where the shark is VEGAN !? Will only eat Coral plants ? The town of Amity is all asunder, as what to do about said Coral preservation ?

  • Propranolol50mgonceadayforever

    I think the next Star War film should be nothing but a constant barrage of sentimental Carrie Fisher references and maybe a small reference to Kenny Baker, who doesn’t deserve a FULL reference because he was only half human ? Who else died in 2016 ? Hell, maybe spend all the film referencing them too ? David Bowie too whilst we’re at it, as he had a small but shit role in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me. Hooray, because Twin Peaks is back in 2017 ! And I’m SURE it will live up to expectations and not actually be shit because they’ll be so busy trying to capture lightning in a bottle twice ! YAY !

  • Burgerlord

    A vegan shark would make an awesome Robot Chicken skit.

    INTERNETS, MAKE IT SO!

  • Troll Prince The White

    Because it’s a shortcut to filmmaking. Kind of like being a fanboy is a shortcut to thinking.

  • Burgerlord

    You go to movies to think? Dafuq is wrong with you?

  • Troll Prince The White

    If you start thinking during a movie it’s a bad movie. Problem is the fanboy brain has so many dopamine grooves carved in it that things that should trigger their critical thinking, like shit characters, silly plots, pointless cameos – don’t. They are trapped in the lightsaber, xwing, atat, “things i know” loop. Sad really. I bet if they removed themselves for the fanscape for a while and started taking mma classes, lifting weights, smashing puss, fly fishing, playing an instrument, learning some computer programming, attend a social event not focused on comic books, etc their minds would go back to be normie.

  • Burgerlord

    Meh. Depends on the movie. If TFA did this shit, I would have been upset, especially after them crappy prequels. Personally, I think R1 was at movie that nobody asked for, so my expectations were low, and turning my brain off to see some cool stuff was fine.

    Still would have loved to had seen some Ewoks sweating their asses of on the beach, tho.

  • Troll Prince The White

    “see some cool stuff”… play some VR video games. I like story, character and dialogue in my movies.

  • Burgerlord

    Eh…my video game days are over.

  • fred

    AT ST AT ST AT ST AT ST AT ST AT ST

  • Completely; I think Daisy does a great job with what she’s given. It’s a pity that the character is over-endowed to the point of weakness.

  • Troll Prince The White

    This message board is being shut down in… 59 MINUTES!

  • Jaws Lucas

    Ah well, at least Liam Neeson was not in this movie.

  • frankelee

    The Star Wars? Do you even GET LAID?

    Make a new video you fucks!

  • Donavon Bray

    I enjoyed “Rogue One” for what it was in the grand scheme of the unstoppable “Star Wars” machine. It was a decent action movie with archetypes created to serve a very specific purpose that only makes sense to fans of the series.
    Unlike A LOT of people, I loved “The Force Awakens”; another movie that served a purpose. It was a soft reboot/remake that continued/retold the story of “A New Hope” with the end result being the promise of an all new adventure with brand new likable characters.
    On the other hand, “Rogue One” told an essential part of the overall mythology with characters that could have been in any number of generic action films.
    I don’t think it was a great movie. At the end of the day, I’d put it on par with the prequel trilogy, only with the slightest of advantages in the form of a more straightforward plot with recognizable imagery and props.
    I think it’s a passable sidestep for the series during the wait of what will hopefully become a leap forward with the release of “Episode VIII”.
    At the end of the day, I can at least say it was a borderline GOOD “Star Wars” film.
    In fact, we’ve had two pretty good “Star Wars” movies in as many years, which is saying a lot since we haven’t had anything worthwhile on the movie front since 1983.
    Take that as you will.

  • Donavon Bray

    Aww, come on! Kwi Guy Gin was a GREAT cardboard cutout masquerading as a character!
    When he gotted killed by Dark Mall, I was all like “Oh no!” and stuff!
    When Obi Wan busted out that rage fueled choreographed dance routine in retaliation, I was TOTALLY invested!

    Oh wait. I was 13 when “The Phantom Menace” came out and I remember the disappointing Christmas I had that year when I got a dancing Jar Jar Binks figure and an inflatable Darth Maul chair…

  • Donavon Bray

    Wow. Just finished this video. I can’t believe some of those comments.
    People are taking “Star Wars” WAAAAAAAY more seriously than they need to.
    Anyway, whether I disagree about “Rogue One” or not, still love the videos.
    Thanks for the “R.I.P., Carrie Fisher” at the end, by the way.

  • Troll Prince The White

    “with the end result being the promise of an all new adventure with brand new likable characters”

    Maybe they should have done that for, you know, the first movie. Kind of like Star Wars did.

    Movies shouldn’t “serve a purpose”. They should entertaining, inspire, enlighten, educate but never be just a be a way to get to another movie or fill in some details about a movie you saw 40 years ago.

  • Donavon Bray

    I get what you mean. At first, I was disappointed with “The Force Awakens” basically being a retread.
    I have been obsessed with the original trilogy my entire life, and probably didn’t need to see it rehashed.
    I really liked the characters, though. I feel like they could do something worthwhile with the series going forward.

    When I said it served a purpose, I really just meant it did what it set out to do. It was only created to wash out the bad taste the prequels left in our mouths. Now, if they manage to actually accomplish something after the last film that ADDS to the story, then I’ll really be on board with this “cinematic universe”.

    That’s all I meant by that.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Star Wars should be more that what Disney has given us. Lucas failed his fans but Disney is just churning out sausage.

  • Donavon Bray

    Oh, trust me, I feel the same way!
    The thing that scares me the most is what Disney can do to this series.
    I’m one of those 30 something year old people that grew up LOVING all things Marvel and Star Wars, and pretty much spent most of my teenage years ostracized for it.
    Now, thanks to generic movie magic, these franchises are reaching the general audience and becoming more popular than they ever were when they actually meant something to me.
    In a way, I’m just trying to not hold a grudge against any of it, but I’m holding out hope that even though they’re continuing Star Wars for the wrong reasons, they can at least pull a creative team together who can make something that’s actually meaningful to the lifelong fans of the franchise.

  • Donavon Bray

    For example, I bit the bullet and dealt with all these Marvel movies that they’ve been releasing (whether I PAID for them or not is a different story lol), but they’ve FINALLY pulled something off I can get behind.
    Their version of Spider-Man is already among my favorite interpretations of the character, and I think they’ve finally reached that point where I’ll be able to just get over my resentment and enjoy a small part of this Disney Marvel-verse money making machine.
    If there’s even the slightest chance that something Star Wars related can do the same for me, I’m willing to merely tolerate anything they can muster.

    I know that’s bleak, but I’d give anything to feel the same excitement I felt as a kid seeing Star Wars for the first time, and I think somewhere along the line, they can hit that.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I’m burned out on both SW and Marvel now. I tried to give TFA a chance. It just wasn’t a SW movie for me in the same was ST 2009 wasn’t Star Trek for a lot of people.

    I was never a Star Trek fan but for some reason I had this feel that they had just turned Star Trek into an action franchise that made no sense. I went back and watched “Star Trek : The Motion Picture” and enjoyed it a lot more than the 2009 version.

    Of course to general audiences, ST and SW movies are almost going to be audience-proof. Action, familar plot gimmicks, familiar dialogue tropes, the whole busyness of them, etc are just so overwhelming that people say “that was… awesome?”

    But there won’t really inspire anyone. Then definitely won’t change the world. Or culture. Or movies.

    That’s what Star Wars should do and that’s what Disney should have tried to do.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I think Marvel peaked with Avengers.

  • Donavon Bray

    Exactly. They’re taking these franchises that actually MEAN something to a large group of fans and just churning out sequels and remakes based on nothing more than nostalgia.
    I’m trying so hard to be open to this.

    Sure, Marvel has “evolved” into this almost unrecognizable monstrosity, but I’m finally starting to see a glimmer of hope coming through.
    I think I enjoyed “The Force Awakens” solely based on the fact that it felt more like “Star Wars” than any of the prequels.
    I even respected the fact that the only lightsaber fight in the entire movie wasn’t this overblown spectacle of a ballet dance with swords. It felt somewhat raw and almost emotional.
    If they can follow up the retread with something new and creative, I feel like I can get over the bastardization of a beloved franchise.
    Get back to me at the end of the year and we’ll know for sure. lol

  • Donavon Bray

    Same here. That was the last one I actually saw in theaters.
    I completely fell out of the series until I caught “Guardians of the Galaxy” on TV.
    I gave “Civil War” a try on Netflix recently and LOVED Spider-Man in it.
    So, I can’t say I’m sold on the Marvel universe, but I AM looking forward to the standalone Spider-Man film.
    In a way, that almost makes it worth it, but just slightly.

    By the way, thanks for discussing this with a respectful attitude. That’s extremely rare online these days. It really means a lot.
    Just like my hope for Star Wars, you give me hope for the future of the internet. lol

  • Donavon Bray

    To be fair, David Lynch is going to be directing every episode of “Twin Peaks”.
    I feel like it’s more likely to alienate fans of the original series rather than service them needlessly.

    That guy’s fucking INSANE! lol
    Now, in regards to your other point, I’m worried “Episode IX” (since all the Leia scenes have already been filmed for VIII) will be nothing more than a computer animated Carrie Fisher needlessly shoehorned into the background of every scene. Not so much as a tribute, but more as a reminder that Disney has mastered the technology to circumvent death and insert whoever the fuck they want in their movies against their will.

  • Donavon Bray

    Actually, I JUST remembered I also got the “Episode I: Racer” game for Nintendo 64.

    So….pretty badass Christmas, all things considered.

  • Donavon Bray

    Actually, I JUST remembered I also got the “Episode I: Racer” game for Nintendo 64 that year.

    So…pretty awesome Christmas, all things considered.

  • Manioc

    People don’t defend the plots of the original SW movies or feel compelled to rationalize their appreciation of them because they are critical darlings, nostalgia magnets, and for many fans above reproach.

    The prequels opened the franchise up to incessant criticism (even if often insightful and justified), and so now every entry is cause for controversy. RLM critiques R1 on largely narrative grounds, so of course defenses of the film will focus on the merits of plot and thematic elements, rather than some subjective interpretation of “fun”.

  • ThePatchelist

    Okay so i totally am able to understand some of the critique regarding Rogue One, basically because it’s justified – and yeah, this video makes fun of some commenters who seem to feel personally offended by RLM not “liking” the film and making very silly “arguments”.

    But i still cannot agree with all of the initial critique. I am not saying Rogue One was a great movie, but it also wasn’t that bad. Some characters were totally replaceable and mostly even removable and had no meat to them at all, the story overall is more “meh” than anything and the amount of fan service was a little bit too much. (R2-D2 and C3-PO (how’d they get up into space in the end?) i’ve got a bad feeling, cantina guys etc.)

    Then there are things like the argument “oh it’s X-Wing’s and Storm Troopers and AT-ST’s again *Evans-Wiggle* – where i think this is a point you cannot really critique. The “named” characters, yes, make them differ from previous character “tropes” – but not the “background noise” so to speak. I mean what else is supposed to be there? If you make a movie about WW2 ofcourse there will be Nazi Soldiers, Allied Soldiers, Tanks etc. – in the end that’s their war machinery and you cannot replace it, especially when we all know that the “story”, whatever exists of it, revolves around the empire and this timeline days to literal minutes before ANH.

    Also the argument that this film does not explain or give some recap of previously established universe points, and then showing other movies and how they did it as an example. The problem here is, the movies that are taken as an example are all “real” sequels – Other SW films, Ghostbusters 2, Alien x(?), Gremlins 2, Nightmare on Elm Street 4, Escape from L.A. (which is part 2) – which Rogue One simply is not. In the end, even though it is a standalone movie (or called one), it’s more like a spin-off off an existing universe. I don’t think it can or should be critiqued on the point that it is not completely understandable when watched alone without any background knowledge of the Star Wars universe. I guess the movie simply is not made for anyone other than Star Wars Fans.

    At least that’s how i am seeing it regarding these two critique points. Other than that i can agree that this movie could and should have been better on many fronts.

  • Thanatos

    They elaborate much more on this in the video games, in fact. All the rebel fighters are equipped with personal hyperdrives because the rebels are all about quick strikes against imperial targets and fleeing. (Just like what happens in Rogue One!)

    Tie Fighters are housed within capital ships, and equipping them with hyperdrives would be way too expensive for fighters they consider mostly expendable.

    So it makes sense from a thematic point of view as well in addition to making pragmatic sense. Your complaints don’t, on the other hand.

  • Spoiled Ants

    I didn’t know Rogue One was taking place minutes before ANH, doesn’t it make the tone and the desaturated look even more jarring?

    For me this is as if someone made a HeMan-Movie with Dolph Lundgren and they follow it up with a prequel called “District 9” – hypothetically speaking.

  • Jyn Erso Lives!

    What makes Rogue One great/different compared to Star Trek Into Darkness or Edge of Tomorrow: decisions in Rogue One had real and irreversible consequences. You make a choice, you live with it, you die with it. In STID as well as in EoT nobody dies, nothing has any consequences. There is no need for sacrifice in these movies, whereas Rogue One is all about sacrifice. Death is very real and that makes it way better than STID or EoT.

  • Nirwin

    Now THAT’S a cinematic universe I could get into!

  • Spoiled Ants

    Aw Jeez, I won’t even bother scrolling down to load more comments, if I have to watch those ads with the rotten toes at the bottom.
    – NOT – WORTH – IT –

  • Duckler

    Who comments on things that aren’t even Star Wars anymore? Where’s Suburban Sasquatch?

  • Ads? Do you not have adblock?

  • I feel like with all the thousands of artists and minds they have working on a project like this, they could easily come up with another type of walker or tank type thing that was more suited to the type of planet/terrain they’re on. I don’t think it is absolutely necessary to show the empire as using the exact same technology in every subsequent movie.

  • I don’t wanna be a naysayer, but I think it’s a little unrealistic to hope to relive the magic of your childhood. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just unlikely. Not even just based on whether or not I think Disney could release a Star Wars movie as good as the originals – more on the fact that I think people can in fact trick themselves into believing that all these new things haven’t quite “reached that level yet” – when in fact maybe in an objective sense they might actually do it and you might just not notice because you are no longer a child. I think that it’s easy to forget that often times the first time we experience the magic of art it’s difficult to recreate that exact feeling again. But shit – I’m onboard if they manage to pull it off.

  • Spoiled Ants

    I don’t have a good ad-blocker, and even if I had one, I don’t want to deprive those hacks of their ad-money. Aaaaand now those yellow toes are at the top of the comments.
    Well-played RLM. Well-played…

  • Fair enough – but for future reference in my experience – adblock plus is trash. Adblock (the Adblock) seems to deny most everything. I can appreciate that you don’t want to deprive these hackfrauds of their legitimate ad money – I’d feel the same way if I weren’t on DSL.

  • Jaws Lucas

    Marxist!

  • Imaf

    Here is what Mike & Jay are missing about STRO: (1) the film is about world-building in an established setting: we don’t have to explain who Hitler is in every WW II film, and we don’t have to explain who Darth Vader is in every ST film; (2) the film STRO is about an ensemble cast, not a new jedi-super-hero with no flaws as in TFA; (3) the film STRO is in a different genre of films, gritty war films, than TFA, so critics should treat it as such with its own rubric appropriate for its genre.

  • Imaf

    Also, the inclusion of character banter does not equal (!=) characterization or character moments. Case in point: TFA: “Do you have a cute boyfriend?” (Finn to Rey) goes nowhere, just as “Where is my boyfriend, Chewie?” (Big-eye-small-mouth-lady to Han). This is dialogue-schlock that is at least as good as anything in GB 2016, a film Mike and Jay hated. The irony is that Mike and Jay love TFA but hate GB 2016, two films that are virtually identical in characterization. Believe me–STRO lacking *this* type of dialogue-schlock makes it a *much* better film, in its genre!

  • WhatPlanetAmIOn

    Wait, are you upvoting yourself? Ew

  • Imaf

    I know! Isn’t it gross?

  • Imaf

    So, I know that MIke, Jay, and Rich frequently skim through these
    comments, trolling for incoherence that they can laugh at/with/about.
    But here is a thought about Rich’s comment regarding SwRO. Hey Rich,
    you say that Star Wars looks like it can include anything, but is actually limited in what it can do (AT-ATs, and such). That is a half-truth. World-building is about recognizing the elements that viewers expect (“What’s wrong with your face?”) and giving it to them, repackaged, in exciting ways. But SwRO also included additional elements, even some taken from the SwApocrypha/Legends. It’s not as though the films are entirely stagnant–they are trying to please different demographics that already exist, while attracting new eyeballs.

  • Imaf

    In addition, the fact is that world-building is constraining as truth in every composition. It is the constraints that afford meaning, linguistically. If you take this back to your film school-film theory training, you may recall the semiotics of meaning-making that are established in a film. Now, multiply that across a franchise, and what do you get? Repeated content that shows up to please fans of the franchise. The fact that you hear people in the theater saying, “Yes!”, when they see an AT-AT is a *good* thing for world-building, and the franchise. It means that people remember, are willing to pay money, and have fun with a gritty war film that repackages SW in a new form, while playing with its existing tropes and images.

  • Colorless Green

    These videos are always right on the money. If you disagree, you are wrong. Accept it, learn from the experience, and move on.

  • Omis

    Not really. While I agree that R1 isn’t that good of a movie, it was better than TFA.

  • Troll Prince The White

    If you are joking that’s brilliant. If you are being serious then you should remove the Darth Vader action figure from your skull.

  • Troll Prince The White

    This guy is either a brilliant troll or a deeply confused young man.

  • Troll Prince The White

    That’s dogshit sit-com level dialogue.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Star Wars isn’t real. It’s not WW2.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Oh I can be very disrespectful. You just happened to be sane ans reasonable.

  • William Thomason

    Just pointing out that you can nitpick anything to death. Pointing out the original trilogy was different and Rogue One was just fan service is simply not true. ROTJ would not work as a stand alone film either, and was full of fan service, yet RLM claims it hits all the marks. The problem is, after 40 years and more media attentions and merchandising than you can possibly imagine, its nearly impossible for anyone to be truly objective about Star Wars anymore. Especially since most of us were kids when we first saw it. New films are never going to please everybody and are likely to displease large amounts of people on either side.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Shill. You are a shill. If you can’t understand the difference between fan service and continuity then you don’t know shit about Star Wars and why are you wasting my time with your fucking post!??!!!?? I don’t have any use for it! I don’t have any bloody use for it!

  • Brian Levine

    Listen very carefully…

    Mike Storkla thought Jurrassic World was a good movie.

    It can happen.

  • Brian Levine

    But if he’s serious, then it’s hysterical.

  • William Thomason

    You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

  • Duckler

    This site has been seriously lacking in the “smoking hot Latina” category of late.

  • Brian Levine

    Here’s what really scares me about RO:

    Remember when Lucas released the Special Edition of the Original Trilogy? Sure, it was great seeing it back on the big screen (where many fans had never seen it), but we had to put up with his revisionist crap as well (Greedo shooting, etc). In the end, it was really about Lucas seeing if his digital creatures and sets would work, prior to making the prequels.

    But with Rogue One, now we have digital likenesses of classic actors that are certainly passable. You see what I’m getting at:

    We’re eventually going to get a Trilogy set between ROTJ and TFA, featuring digital Mark Hamill, digital Carrie Fisher and digital Harrison Ford. It’s inevitable.

  • Duckler

    Better movie: “I don’t want it, you take it. Those ships are ridiculously powerful!”

  • Omis

    I’m ok with that.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Commenting on RLM posts should be about saying something new, it’s a journey into the unknown. Just not snarkily hacking dialogue from movies that children like.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Sure if the 1970s george lucas, gary kurtz, etc are involved.

  • RLMkeepitup

    id call it possible. i think fisher signed away her likeness to Lucasfilm. a face scan may be part of the contract for future films. a facial actor would then perform the scene and digital artists would add the texture. hollywood magic

  • Jaws Lucas

    Isn’t that a tune by Tone Loc.

  • doctorr

    If they are right about Rogue One, then they were wrong about The Force Awakens.

  • Adez

    CA?

  • Imaf

    Soon, we may even have a revised Batman: The Dark Knight Rises with an uncanny valley digital Joker played by a CGI Heath Ledger. We live in interesting times. Of course, Star Wars always asked the question of humanity, whether Darth Vader was more machine than human, whether droids were really people, whether one really dies or just melds with the force, whether one can come back as an apparition.

    Does it really sound all that far-fetched that we add another question: “Can actors die and return in their likeness through CGI?” It is an extension of the previous discussion, for of course–just as bringing back Tupac as a Hologram to dance and sing on stage with Snoop Dogg (yes, that has been done too). The two big themes here? #1: Technology and humanity; #2 IP: Intellectual Property that knows no end, in the marketplace.

  • Lute Hende

    Karl was a good guy! You don’t blame Jesus/Yeshua for what the church did and does…to children for example.

  • Imaf

    I will only say here that TFA makes the prequel trilogy look like High Art.

  • Imaf

    Brilliant trolls often go on to have their own podcasts or media companies.

  • Imaf

    The Joke is that everyone is joking.

  • Imaf

    Bingo!

  • Imaf

    The difference? TFA was made by J.J. Abrams, and Mike and Jay carry J.J.’s water.

  • Omis

    I’m sure if Lucas, Kurtz, and Kasdan got together now, they could still make magic. Lucas was too lighthearted, Kurtz was too dark, and Kasdan was the guy who could find the happy medium between the two.

  • Colorless Green

    How can you even type with Disney’s cock so far down your throat? It’s pretty impressive…

  • Troll Prince The White

    Do a search for “‘Star Wars’ Producer Blasts ‘Star Wars’ Myths” There is a good interview with him. Can’t post links here without admin approval.

  • Troll Prince The White

    What’s stopping you?

  • Troll Prince The White

    Captain America. I tapped out after that movie. There is zero poignancy, zero stakes in these movies. No one can or will die except throw away characters. Too worried they might lose out on a solo film – for Hawkeye.

  • Bubs

    There’s a scene in Rogue One where a Cthulhu monster probes the brain of BowTie. Why was this scene in the movie? What did it accomplish? Why didn’t they know whether or not he was telling the truth even after they raped his brain? Why didn’t Brodie care that this had happened to him after the fact? Why didn’t we ever see the Cthulhu monster ever again?

    Someone help.

  • TheVerySpecialK

    Plus, they animated the Cthulhu monster. Talk about uncanny valley. What is this world coming to? Can’t even cast a real Cthulhu anymore.

  • Andy James

    They do? Huh. I must have completely misunderstood every word they said about Star Trek Into Darkness.

  • Omis

    They got sucked into TFA’s hype. You can see in their Plinkett Review that their opinions have changed.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Something “cool” and “different”. Even though it makes no sense. The mind probe is some kind of droid with a 1970s needle coming out of it. Everyone knows that

  • Troll Prince The White

    You’re joking but how hard would it be to make a slug monster with prehensile limbs? CGI is shit… look at Jedi… the ships look real because they are.

  • Aaron Baugher

    My impression is that their expectations were so low after the prequels and the sale to Disney, of all places, that when TFA wasn’t horrible, their relief caused them to like it more and rate it better than it deserved. Once the relief wore off, and they could take a more objective look at it, they realized it didn’t look so great.

    Kinda like waking up next to a beast who looked great last night through ten beers.

  • Joe

    To be fair, I think he misspelled realize, so maybe Plinkett will take that line out of context and call us all fanboy dumbasses because of it.

    *sigh* I really wish he didn’t double down on the whole R1 thing seemingly without doing any introspection on the criticism of his argument.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    CGI Moff Tarkin was stupid. Too bad it made all the fanboys tent-pole in their jeans whenever he said, “You may fire when ready.”

  • RLMkeepitup

    they do have prehensile tentacles, i forget which movie its in, maybe one reviewed here

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn great again! Vote Trump!” — HP “Not a Racist” Lovecraft

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “Greedo shot first? That’s bullshit!” — Lee Harvey Oswald

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I agree. Bring back Jessi!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    You don’t need to look at the keys to type.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Can you re-edit this so that it is written in English?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I blame SJwRO safe space snowflakes.

    Sorry, wrong room.
    **sees self out**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I thought that was called fanservice?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I thought these hackfrauds got their money by using their film studio as an underground meth lab?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    WW 2 did have Stormtroopers though. But they had better aim.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Which half of Neeson?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    And TIE Fighters aren’t designed for peripheral vision either.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Gimme my free pizza roll, you fat murderous fuck!
    **belches**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    No. Everyone agrees Jack is the Best of the Worst.

  • david dallas

    I agree with you there. While I understand their criticisms of RO, I think most of them apply to TFA too. Especially the “fan service” or “context” complaints. Take the IP out of TFA and its a movie about a girl and guy trying to find a map to some old guy while being chased by an emo dude in a black hockey mask.

  • Darkling

    Someone had been watching a bit too much hentai, I guess.

  • Darkling

    With TFA, I think Mike was so happy that an actually /good/ Star Wars
    movie had been released for the first time in thirty-odd years that he
    got carried away and gave TFA a glowing review. He was caught up in the
    moment. It happens to all of us.

    He had /years/ of hindsight in preparing his prequel reviews. No rose-coloured glasses there.

    I
    just think it’s understandable that he was excited about the ‘return’
    of Star Wars with TFA, and that he didn’t start analysing it more
    objectively until a bit later. TFA is by no means brilliant, but it’s a
    competently made movie. I think that’s why Mike didn’t (or couldn’t) completely savage it in the Plinkett review, but a lot of people seem to want to hang him for a review he made of TFA while he was carried away
    in the moment.

    TL;DR – I don’t think his excited initial response to TFA invalidates his criticisms of Rogue One in any way.

  • fred

    There’s a Cthulhu monster in Rogue One?
    TIME TO VISIT THE LOCAL THEATA.

  • Omis

    We’ve all been there.

  • TomBaum

    I think because RedLetterMedia appear to be more cynical than your average movie reviewer we get convinced that they’re going to take the least charitable view of everything. I really didn’t think Force Awakens worked, from about 20 minutes into my first and only viewing of it on opening night, but I’m not surprised that the guys here loved it. I don’t know that their standards are miles higher than anyone else’s, I think they just have an actual healthy skepticism that so many other reviewers on Youtube and elsewhere utterly lack.

    I agree that as time goes on Mike will view TFA less and less favorably, especially when it comes to the characters. IMHO Finn is one of the strangest and least consistent characters I’ve seen in recent movies and I think even people who enjoyed the feeling they had when they watched this movie, in the middle of the fever surrounding it, will eventually realize that there’s something a bit hollow about his journey in the movie and about the rest of the characterizations as well.

  • fred

    Enjoying quality films and disliking recycled Hollywood tripe is not cynicism, it’s taste. I trust their taste in cinema (for the most part).

  • Darkling

    Yes, I think that people were expecting Mike to be far more critical of TFA than he was (especially in the Plinkett review). Also, I think the opening few minutes of the Rogue One review rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way – they felt like they were being mocked.

    And so, feeling attacked, some of the fans are returning fire by using the RLM review of TFA against Mike (ie “how you can you like TFA but hate Rogue One, you hackfraud?”. Apparently it’s a breach of ‘trust’ for Mike not to completely hate TFA, because Mike’s scathing and spot-on criticism of the prequels is what brought a lot of Star Wars fans here to this webzone in the first place.

  • Troll Prince The White

    cringe convention on “fire when ready”

  • Jaws Lucas

    Captain Phasma.

  • Welcome Back Otter

    He only misspelled realise if you’re American. The rest of the world spells it with an s (you know, the correct way). :p

  • Tom Erv

    Translation: It was for the fans.

    Just because the details weren’t spelled out, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t realized.

  • Rubber, animatronic tentacles will always reign supreme.

  • maikimo

    grand moff tarkin looked exactly like the bfg in the ‘bfg’ movie no one saw last year.

  • I’m assuming ads are just supplemental to their drug game cheddar.

  • I hadn’t really thought about that for some reason… I’m imagining it now and the transition doesn’t make any sense in my brain. This is an additional reason this prequel (and I don’t know why more people aren’t referring to it as that, everyone keeps calling it a “side-story”) feels severely miscalculated. It’d be one thing maybe if it took place long before ANH, but the fact that it’s supposed to take place RIGHT before makes it more obvious how tonally inconsistent this makes the series.

  • Big Fuckin Grandmoff

  • To supplement my argument, this is an excerpt from an interview with Gary Kurtz: “We wanted something like that with a religion that nobody’s ever heard of. So the idea of the Force is this energy thing. The fact that Ben Kenobi could say in one sentence pretty much what it was all about, and then we move on.

    That’s how it got boiled down to practically nothing — and it worked much better that way, much better.”

  • Brian Levine

    Wait…that wasn’t the real Peter Cushing?

  • Brian Levine

    Your favorite Star Wars moment:

    1. Discovering that Darth Vader built C-3PO
    2. Millenium Falcon randomly sitting on Jakku
    3. Learning that the Death Star was already Booby Trapped

  • dogshitcom

  • RLMkeepitup

    4. falcon starts right up and piloted without thought
    6. stormtroopers never hit shit, they won’t be a problem
    7. the force is strong, learning it is easy
    8. in the end, the ewoks still win, the christmas special is cannon?

  • You know RLM is plenty aware that ROTJ is the worst of the original trilogy – they did do an entire commentary track on it. It seemed like they felt it mostly was redeemed by the showdown at the end of the movie, because it was one of the most important moments (emotionally) for Luke’s and Vader’s characters. I also think that there’s a slight difference between doing a self-contained side-film and making the third in what is announced as a “trilogy”. I was a little surprised they gave ROTJ as a whole a checkmark for characters because they were relatively harsh on the useless (fan-service) presence of Han Solo and Leiya – but I don’t think that’s enough to overshadow the climax of the movie.

  • Imaf

    Yes–it was for the fans. But even more than that, it was for an *established universe*, a world that is recognized by popular culture. Could RO have been more of an easy-entry for new fans? Yes, but there is no reason–its IP is instantly recognizable already.

  • Imaf

    Ha!

  • Imaf

    Sorry–academiceese doesn’t translate well into English. 😉

  • Imaf

    Yes, but Mike is *still* defending TFA based on character. It is an indefensible premise.

  • Imaf

    J.J. didn’t have much to do with STID. And they didn’t do a Plinkett review of the film, only a HITB.

  • Imaf

    😀 You’re reading mah mand!

  • Imaf

    I do not eat Disney chicken–how vulgar!

  • Imaf

    But I could go for some roast duck.

  • Troll Prince The White

    9) R2 confusing a computer terminal for a power outlet on Bespin.

    That was some cringey George dub-over right there.

    “Make the gold robot tell the trash can that it was a power outlet”

    “But… George… we wrote it that the system was protecting itself from hacking and shocked the… trash can.”

    “No one is going to understand that… I DON’T understand it… just make it a power outlet. Anyone seen the first run numbers from Hasbro?”

  • The Living Jaws

    10. Captain Phasma.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Anything in DW is my favorite moment.

  • LameSame

    11. Ghost Obi Wan likes to have a good sit on Dagobah. Reason: he flew all the way there from Hoth and boy, were his arms tired!

  • Troll Prince The White

    He did that to make Luke feel more comfortable talking to a ghost while he was lucid and in the clear light of day… fucking obvious, doooooooood

  • Andy James

    I get that you’re an idiot troll and that I probably shouldn’t reply, but he directed the movie.

  • Omis

    I don’t know. I liked them well enough. They just needed a better story.

  • Yezzir!

    One of the questions this video raises is whether or not Star Wars is even appropriate for this more cynical time. Star Wars is from a more innocent time in science fiction movies, that changed with Alien. So, is the classic Star Wars tone even be relevant anymore? Are we trying to fit circles into squares. TFA captured the tone moreso than Rogue One.

    One thing Rogue One is missing is personality conflict. Think about Han and Luke, Han and Leia, and even Leia and Luke. They all had duelling motivations and philosophies that tested eachother which made it more interesting as they had to resolve those conflicts to win the battle.

    I wished that Cassian and Jyn had more of that. They were too compatible and I never got the same interplay that made the first three films so interesting.

  • Jim Copeland

    RLM those comments really didn’t even deserve your attention. It’s obvious you weren’t being literal about talking during fights…

  • Brian Levine

    But it’s a valid point. In many ways, the Ben Kenobi-Darth Vader duel is the original film is my favorite lightsaber fight. Not because the swordplay is any good, but because of the trash talking going on.

    I think my all-time favorite of this ilk is between Rupert and Rudolph in The Prisoner of Zenda.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Wrong. Empire was in 1980. A year after Alien. They have just forgot that movies are about characters.

    Any first semester film student / writer knows that you need relationships in order to create drama.

    Really good drama is more about how the protagonists interact with each other than how the protagonists interact with the antagonist.

    The best ones have triangular relationships between the protagonists that are tested and either strengthened (upbeat) or destroyed (downbeat / realism).

    Han-Luke-Leia.

    People have genuinely forgotten how to write movies. And I am vexxed as to why.

    They seem to do it really well on TV. The Wire, Breaking Bad, Sopranos… the good stuff, the stuff that makes the show are the moments between the protagonists.

    Obviously TV has much more time but this formula was pretty standard.

    Same with the OT.

  • Adez

    Meh, it was ok

    But I’m tired of meh

  • Troll Prince The White

    character. It’s all movies are about.

  • Troll Prince The White

    I feel like I’m watching the same movie over and over again with the Marvel stuff. And now that they have started telling me who to vote for it’s become all part of the same machine.

  • Adez

    I’m tired of sky laserbeams

  • Troll Prince The White

    Well… in that case they have just what the doctor ordered… laser beams… in the sky… IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Yezzir!

    Yes I understand that Empire was released a year after Empire. But, pop culture doesn’t instantly change like that. I was talking about how all three original Star Wars were the products of an earlier more innocent time before Alien began the gradual transition into darker sci fi concepts. It’s a transition over years, marked by a standout game changer.

    Now, they are trying to shoe-horn “darker” concepts into Star Wars to fit modern tastes that have evolved, and it doesn’t feel like Star Wars, at least Rogue One didn’t to me. The way a movie feels goes way beyond how it looks. Rogue One definitely looked like Star Wars, but didn’t feel like it.

    I think you have a good point about TV. When I look at all those titles I see all original concepts. No fan service, no obsession with recyling. If there was a such thing as Breaking Bad 2, of course you’d have to have the yellow hazmat suites thrown in, for no reason. The Wire: Chicago would have to have a weird guy who carries around a gun, only not a shotgun this time, maybe a desert eagle….to be different.

  • Mugato

    Wow, that’s one thin-skinned motherfucker. Sorry you didn’t understand the film and people called you on it.

  • Troll Prince The White

    My main point is that they stopped putting real characters in action movies. And stop making those movies be about the relationships between the protagonists.

    While TFA had better characters they were really cringey and didnt make any sense.

    FN is tramatized by a dead stormtrooper but then relished killing?

    Mary Sue has to get back home to wait for a family that hasn’t come back in decades? Even after knowing the stakes.

    As hammy and pathetic as baby Darth was he was the most interesting character.

    So without real characters they have to lean on the fan service. In TFA it was recycling the plot.

    In RO it was stuffing it full of easter eggs, cameos, references, etc.

    Rogue One was so desperate to have fanboys like it that it reminded me of a drunk land whale shaking her ass and tits by the jukebox at last call.

    Both Disney movies fucked up by not doing something new.

    30 years in the future and it’s still A New Hope. Just dumb.

  • JackDeth

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  • EJ

    Don’t forget that the prequels, especially AOTC and ROTS, got generally decent reviews and were very popular when they came out, largely for similar reasons. George Lucas was finally making more Star Wars movies! Yay! Not everyone liked them of course, but the big critical and pop culture backlash happened years after their release.

    I think TFA will hold up better, despite its many flaws. Probably at least as well as Jedi, but we’ll see.

  • EJ

    12. Lando somehow disguising himself as a random mook in Jabba’s palace, despite apparently being at least as well known and recognizable as Han Solo.

  • EJ

    “revolves around the empire and this timeline days to literal minutes before ANH”

    That right there is the biggest problem with RO. Sure, there may have been a few dozen nerds who read the opening crawl of ANH and said, “I must know more about this space battle and how exactly they stole the Death Star plans,” and presumably there was a comic book that covered it and they all bought it. For the rest of us, there was this nagging sense of, “well, however this shakes out, we know the plans get stolen, and really that’s the most important part of this whole thing.”

    Now, you *can* make a good film where the outcome isn’t in doubt – e.g. the majority of war movies. We know the Bismarck is gonna get sunk, Normandy is gonna get invaded, Hitler’s gonna kill himself, etc. But you have to work a lot harder than RO did to make us care about the characters.

  • EJ

    AT-ATs are a pretty stupid design in general though. If they used them on Hoth, why wouldn’t they use them here?

  • maikimo

    technically, no. disney exhumed his rotted and worm ridden cadaver, and attached strings to allow for ilm to motion capture his gesticulating limbs a la “weekend at bernie’s”. real movie magic.

  • EJ

    And just like that, a new film genre is created.

  • Troll Prince The White

    12) Wrong. As a washed out gambler who got his mining operation confiscated by the Empire would naturally wind-up in Jabba’s palace. Reeeeeeeeeemember, Boba Fett think he betrayed Han Solo to the Empire.

    13.) Heeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllo. I guess you’ve never enjoyed the death and torment of your enemies as they are slowly digested over 1000 years!

    14.) Well, clearly you’ve never been in tank combat – LOL. Any driver worth his treads know that the main shortcomings of tanks are anti-tank obstacles, ditches and berms – which the ATATs can obviously avoid or climb over.

    It all makes sense i you think about it!

  • EJ

    Well, maybe on the first two. On #14, not buying it. At least if your tank gets stuck in a ditch you can shoot behind you, something beyond the capabilities of an AT-AT. And if you really want the obstacle climbing abilities of legs instead of tank treads, there’s no reason to make your tank into this giant, ungainly, unstable target. Make it a low, squat little thing, like the droid tanks in AOTC. Yep, I’m saying AOTC had better-designed military vehicles than ESB.

  • EJ

    I’m getting ads for window cleaner. The ad targeting software must know my toes are beautiful so no need for their toenail fungus remover.

  • Troll Prince The White

    Or a hover tank… none of it makes sense… they just had better characters, good dialogue and were endlessly inventive with the story and design…

  • EJ

    I always pictured the crew of that AT-AT being super pissed that some asshole sent them to patrol in the middle of a dense forest with trees taller than they were. “Goddam Empire thinks that just because it has ‘All-Terrain’ in the name, they can just send us anywhere.”

  • It seems like the sort of thing you want on open-terrain where you can see what you’re shooting at – like a tundra. Not a dense forest.

  • Aaron Baugher

    With every other franchise trying to be darker than the next, I think if they made a Star Wars movie with the same kind of optimism and wonder as the original, it could be huge, because it would stand out from all the rest. But it would still have to have good characters and an engaging story, which is the part they’re having trouble with.

  • Captain Turbo

    Hopefully they have a three-way.

  • Captain Turbo

    I believe you’ve wandered over here from Pornhub, my good man.

  • Captain Turbo

    By better do you mean worse? Then I agree.

  • Omis

    Only if by agree you mean disagree.

  • Darkling

    With the prequel reviews, any hype or excitement that Mike may possibly have felt about the movies at the time of their release had long faded.

    I understand about getting caught up in the media hype during the theatrical release of a Star Wars movie, though. And the RLM review of TFA was recorded literally minutes after Mike, Jay and Rich got out from their 1:15 am screening, so any lack of complete objectivity on Mike’s part can be excused, in my opinion.

    But it’s a worrying trend that I’ve noticed – movies in a certain genre or franchise are bulletproof on release. Critics all jump on the bandwagon of praising the movie, and if you dare try to be reasonable and point out any flaws in the movie, however minor, you’ll immediately be set upon by rabid fanboys launching personal attacks on you rather than debating the actual /merits/ of the movie.

    Then, a year or so later, after the hype is over, everyone has calmed down and an objective consensus can be reached on the actual quality of the movie (eg the general current opinion of TFA).

    I also think TFA will hold up. It’s not perfect, it’s not brilliant, but it’s pretty good. I don’t think Rogue One will stand the test of time. I just didn’t think it was an interesting or entertaining movie, and it’s not a movie I ever need or want to see again.

  • Angry Ape

    Man, whether or not I agree with every detail of every opinion you guys have really seems to miss the point of why this site is enjoyable. I’ve never actually looked at the “comments section” of one of your videos before. You will never find a more wretched hive of bad grammar and narrow-minded fanboyism.

    I give you guys a lot of credit for being able to keep on keeping on with your quality product.

    Plinkett and Half In The Bag made a ton of great points regarding Rogue One. Yet, despite the lack of character and story, i found myself enjoying this mainly because Gareth Edwards movies are very visually pleasing to me. It’s like the Fish-O-Filet. I can’t really explain why I enjoy something so bland, it’s basically like eating a soft, mildly fish-flavored sponge. Yet, i like them from time to time.

    Godzilla was generally a joyless, characterless affair, like this. But It held my interest in it’s presentation. I guess it’s a shallow enjoyment, but the chosen camera angles and images of the Death Star in Rouge One made it seem so much more menacing and powerful than anything done with the Starkiller Base in Force Awakens to me.
    I’m sure any other thoughts I have, have already been beaten to death in the other 900-plus dipshit comments.

    So that’s it. Love ya Plinkett & crew….the movie industry deserves every last drop of your skepticism, cynicism and sarcasm.

  • Brian Levine

    Ooo…I can’t wait for THAT bonus feature on the Blu-Ray.

  • Gentle Robot

    Maybe you can explain to me why the filmmakers forgot that city wasn’t Mos Eisley

  • Gentle Robot

    No backflips tho

  • Gentle Robot

    5. R2D2 hangs dong

  • enorme bite d’éléphant

    I just shit in a plastic bag, now I’m swinging it round, like a motorbike chain on road rash. It’s hilarious 🙂

  • Yezzir!

    I think you’re right, but as we know, Big Movie prefers to repeat success through copycatting, rather than trust creative instinct.

  • Imaf

    TFA has the faults of the prequels: we don’t really see that many character-defining scenes, before characters are given special powers without training (Rey), or a reason to turn away from being a storm-trooper beyond “doing the right thing” (Finn), or actual screen-time (Poe) to do anything beyond being a space-gopher.

  • Imaf

    Directorial activity is not the benchmark by which we measure investment in a film. Lucas sat in a nice chair and drank coffee. Since when is having a point of view necessarily the defining factor in what makes a troll? Besides–I like to think less of about trolling and more about t-rolling (like rick-rolling?).

  • Willrow Hood

    They needed to establish that Saul Guevara had questionable morals… I think? Forest Whitaker was too likable, since he saved Jin Antonic at the beginning and raised her we might actually think he was a good guy. It just wouldn’t work if we had a character just be a good guy in a Star Wars movie. It has to be dark!

    But then it’s later revealed that while Saul at first appeared to be really bad, he actually was sort of a good guy. Just like every other character in the movie! Not enough to justify mind-rape, but he was nice to Jin Antonic I guess. Because it’s awesome when every single character in a movie has a dark past and then ends up doing something good for the main character and then immediately dies afterwards. It’s deep! It’s dark! People die in this movie!

  • spynet315

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  • Like Icare

    I feel like I got everything I needed from 1 2 3, I mean 4 5 6 (ugh).

    Indeed.

    I feel like now I should just go watch the fucking thing and get it over with.
    Quite.

    Remember back in the day when Indiana Jones movies would come out and they were actual EPISODES and not just sequels to an ongoing story which was artificially extended to take up 3 or more movies thus selling more tickets, toys and DVDs to the audience who would be in it simply for the sake of completing a set?
    I.e. Just getting over with it.

    I blame Lord of the Rings movies and Peter Jackson.
    Filming 3 movies at once, making a bajilion dollars and winning a bucket of Oscars… and setting the standard of “a sequel each year”.

    So now we get TV quality blockbusters storywise and blockbuster quality TV actorwise (not actingwise) which we are being told are the product of golden ages of storytelling.
    While being fed a steady diet of remakes, reboots, rewhatevers of mostly 1980s stuff and filler.
    And I’m not talking of the kind they put in Twinkies. Mmmm…

  • RedLetterMediumsDotCorn

    Funnily enough it’s an old picture. My disqus is linked to my assbook and it update automatically. I should get a proper disqus account and leave that cesspool already.

  • Fucking hardcore, dude.

  • Craig

    Sorry that your are incapable of enjoying a good movie.

  • willnfs

    Interesting point on the tone of movies changing. You might be on to something but on the flip side, I’ve read some of the making of New Hope and one of the points one biographer made was that many of the movies of that time were going toward a more dark and cynical route. George Lucas broke out of that when he made New Hope. From what I recall he was basing a lot of New Hope on action movies he liked growing up. Despite what everyone else is doing there’s always the possibility of going back to what worked in the past and really creating something good.

    I also thought the same thing when it came to character contrast. It seems many of the great movies had characters with different personalities who were constantly butting heads. Think Riggs and Murtaugh in Lethal Weapon. Conflict between characters is one of the best ways to reveal what’s going on inside the characters. Rogue One didn’t do that much.

    I also thought they should have brought out new vehicles. The Empire is much larger and more advanced than the U.S. military but we have a larger variety of ground vehicles somehow.

  • willnfs

    But there may be a difference in how all these items are used in the originals from how they were used in R1. In the originals it seems they were used because we needed something like them (some huge threat on an ice planet or something for Luke to get off of Hoth). In the originals the use of those items revolved around the story. But in R1 it seems like the story revolved around getting those items into the movie.

  • Omis

    I really should keep a log of all you guys defending Rogue One. It’ll be interesting to see how badly you turn on it once Episode 8 comes out.

  • Aaron James

    I’ve noticed a lot of people really seem to hate TFA. More than one comment has compared it unfavorably with the prequels. I’m pretty surprised by this, and I have to assume that its hyperbole.

    If it isn’t, though, and a large subset of the fanbase genuinely reviles TFA, I’m interested to know why.

    The most consistent criticism of the movie I’ve seen is that it follows the plot of ANH too closely. I’m inclined to agree with that criticism – but only marginally. If you’re going to begin a trilogy that is a sequel to the original trilogy, it makes total sense to have the story and character arcs mirror those of ANH – if only so that you can take them in different directions later on. This is actually one of my biggest issues with the prequels (well, it’s really hard to pinpoint a single “biggest issue”, but this particular thing is a fundamental flaw in their conception): I always thought that Anakin’s story should have followed the same beats as Luke’s – the difference being that Anakin makes the wrong choices when it counts, while Luke made the right ones.

    And TFA actually does this masterfully, giving us different versions of the same characters. And while their arcs reflect the arcs of ANH in TFA, they’re on different trajectories. The proof, I think, will come with episode 8. If that movie is a retread of TESB, then I think this criticism will be applicable to the sequel trilogy as a whole. But using the same jumping-off point to tell a new story is very much the right thing for them to have done with TFA. It’s just that it adhered a little too closely to ANH in some of the finer details.

    The other potential avenue of criticism I see are a bunch of little nitpicks adding up to an overall feeling of the movie being broken. And I have my own nitpicks with the movie, but they’re not enough to outweigh the overwhelming number of things the movie did right. And the thing about those nitpicks the can ruin a movie for you is that the only ever really apply to things that are otherwise excellent. A bunch of little flaws in an awful movie don’t matter, because the big flaws eclipse them. But in a great movie? They really niggle at you.

    Anyway, that’s what I can think of when I attempt to put myself in the shoes of people who hate TFA. If there’s more to it than that, I’d like to know.

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    Well, you almost achieved a sentence, there! Good for you! Also, nobody said your shitty opinion is invalid. It’s perfectly valid: if you like it, fine. We’ll just think less of you. Hashtag go fuck yourself.

  • doctorr

    Not only will you think less of those of us that do (like we give a shit), you’ll dedicate your time and energy screaming about it on the interwebs in the comment section of the next RLM video on the subject. I’m sorry you’re so butthurt over this movie. Get over it, princess.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Episode 8 will be CGI Grand Moff Tarkin in cut-scenes from Gears of War 4.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    9. Dengar nude scenes.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    They just used the same character Tom Hanks played in The Polar Express and put a new uniform on him. So lifelike!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “I’ll supply the cocaine!” — Present-day James Woods

  • Pop Culture Reference

    This turned into a golden showers discussion rather quickly.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Bring on the CGI Moff Tarkin blow-up dolls.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Or IG-88 and B-88 in a buddy cop movie.

  • Yezzir!

    Yeah, I think there was a surge of more philosophical science fiction films in the 1970s, like Solaris, so I can see how a New Hope brought in some action, and of course we started to see more of the post-apocalyptic stuff too with Logan’s Run. So, in a sense, he was refreshing the genre. But, if I look at those films and compare to Alien, I think there is a notable shift tonally to an ultra-serious, visceral quality that I think made Alien so influential.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Dear Mr. Plinkett,

    You should get out more and stop obsessing about the comments sections on your webzone. Eating all those pizza rolls have made you less agile and strong. How else are you going to hold down those hookers you capture? Buy a Fitbit or something.

    Sincerely,
    A Sentient Pop Culture Reference

  • Pop Culture Reference

    How else are you supposed to make America great again?

  • willnfs

    A couple of days ago I just so happened to put the original Solaris into my Netflix Queue. It just came in and I’ll be watching it for the first time this weekend.

  • Duckler

    I literally care more about the new Shyamalan movie than another thing wrapped in Star Wars, which would probably be better in a book. But that’s mostly due to James McAvoy’s performance. Give me a call when either of them are on STARZ or whatever.

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    Have you noticed that people who accuse others of being oversensitive are usually the oversensitive ones? You’re throwing around “butthurt” and “princess” like I’m somehow offended that you like a movie. You’re offended that I’m making fun of you for liking the movie. I don’t think you’re offensive; I think you’re (unintentionally) hilarious. The macho posturing on top of it just makes it funnier. Also, you have an inexplicable, superfluous preposition at the end of the sentence where you basically tell the mean man to go away.

  • Wes Clyburn

    People watch Plinkett videos for the opinions about movies? Weirdos. Plinkett could give a bad review for oral sex and it would still be entertaining.

  • Imaf

    I have not heard of golden rivers. Are they magical?

  • doctorr

    Devil_Dinosaur: “Inarticulate, butthurt fanboys defending shitty movies by explaining
    that the opinions that are different from theirs are invalid will never
    stop being hilarious.”

    Devil_Dinosaur: “Have you noticed that people who accuse others of being oversensitive are usually the oversensitive ones?”

    HAHA! I’m glad I’m entertaining you, because you’re definitely entertaining me! I know I said move along, but you know what? I take that back! Keep it coming!

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  • Devil_Dinosaur

    Again, we see someone accusing someone else of being oversensitive because they’re oversensitive. I’m not butthurt about the movie you liked. You’re butthurt I think you’re an idiot for liking it: thus your pathetic plea for me to stop hurting your feelings at the end of your whiny little cunty statement. I’m not upset about the movie, and I’m not here because I’m upset about the movie. I’m here to upset you, because I think it’s funny. I admit that I’m bigoted against whiny, angry, stupid people; I blame them for it, even though it’s not really their fault. But in the current environment, making them feel bad about themselves is just too much fun to resist.

  • doctorr

    No I’m accusing you of being butthurt because you are butthurt. Like you said, people usually accuse others of being butthurt because that’s how they are feeling, which is exactly how you introduced yourself into this discussion, like the whiny little bitch that you are crying about others being “butthurt fanboys” when you’re just a butthurt RLM fanboy.

    Similarly it’s interesting how stupid people are quick to label others that. It’s a self-hating thing you’re doing.

    But anyway, like I said, please keep it coming you fucking troll cunt. If this exchange is amusing you, the feeling is more than mutual. Smugly tell yourself that your words are so cutting that I walk away from your posts feeling “bad about myself” haha. I’m fucking crying over here you’ve hurt my feeling so bad. Anyway, let’s keep going back and forth calling each other names over the internet! Especially over a movie that is what? 2 or 3 months old now? Maybe we can keep it going for a full year! May the force be with you, fucknut! 🙂

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    I had to read that first paragraph a few times to understand it. I’ve parsed it thusly: “I’m rubber and you’re glue, and everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.” I’m wondering if your approach to any accusation is to accuse the accuser of the same thing. Most people stop doing this around the age of eight. I’m hoping for your sake you’re not much older than that. In this case, there would be hope for both your tastes and your debating style. If, however, you’re closer to an adult age, or even, god forbid, an actual adult, it’s too late to cling to hope. Which is ironic, considering your choice of entertainment.

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  • Overt

    I don’t get the complaint of there being nothing to care about in the characters.

    To me most go through their changes and development, but the changes are personal- how they see themselves. Their development is seen in actions, rather than in dialogue.
    I think this breaks a lot of the Star Wars mold, which does cause problems, but I was satisfied overall.

    Cassian is probably the best example- At the beginning of the movie you find a cold hearted man who kills his own informant to protect his ideology. By the end of the movie, he is someone who actually cares about his team and understands the human reasons for why he is part of the rebellion.

    Chirrut completes his own journey from a man who sees himself as a servant of others- a second to Jedis who did all the work, to someone who understands that he is the agent of change. Jyn goes from a girl who doesn’t understand why her life has turned on her to someone who is reconciled with the Empire as her enemy, rather than her father.

    I felt these characters richer than the TFA characters. The only reason why the TFA characters have more depth is that we know there will be more films about them. They didn’t change substantially more, but the promise of more films makes the omissions more forgiving.

    Not that this was GREAT story telling. In many ways these transformations are somewhat two dimensional. They also bit off more characters than a single movie could support- focusing on Cassian and Jyn might have been more successful.

    I like the Plinkett reviews, but I feel like they stole a base by just asserting that you don’t care about the characters. They had plenty of reasons why we didn’t like young Anakin in the prequels but never said anything about why Rogue 1’s character development didn’t work for them. Was Cassian’s initial scene killing the informant not persuasive? How about when he promises to kill Saw? These all added depth in my mind, but for some reason they weren’t buying it. Why is that?

  • Alex Bivolcic

    Do a super long prequel style review of Rogue One!!

  • Zac Lockard

    I saw this movie twice, and I still don’t know the names of any of the characters. I had to look them up to know who you’re talking about here. I completely forgot Cassian killed someone – I see the point you’re making, but they show him one time killing a dude (in a totally forgetful scene, since you don’t know what’s going on) and then completely move on, as if that’s all it takes to set up a character. 10 minutes after that scene, I forgot it happened – they don’t do anything else to reinforce that he’s was a bad guy at some point.

    The other characters, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Chirrut – where did you come up with all that stuff? I don’t remember any of that in the movie, he’s just a monk dude that is blind and fights. Nothing he says is relevant to the movie at all. Jyn has even less of a character….she thinks her dad’s a huge asshole for leaving her, then finds out he’s slightly less of an asshole. Oh.

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