Independence Day (1996) – re:View

June 19, 2016415 Comments

Awaiting the release of the much anticipated ID42:Regurgitation, Jay and Mike discuss the 1996 film Independence Day and make a case for why it’s a terrible, terrible, terrible movie.

There isn’t an extended audio version of this episode because obviously the video version is already long and thorough.


Filed in: re:View

  • FIRST?

  • Well it’s better then watching Pre Rec a sunday night with clowns &games.

  • LameSame

    I’ll take it! Good luck with whatever demons are delaying BotW. I for one am a big fan of this new show. It’s very refreshing having you guys focus on movies that aren’t complete shit! I know HitB wasn’t meant for that, but with modern cinema suffering severe brain damage these days, well, you know.

  • LameSame

    Leave PreRec alone, guys! It’s a fun show… then again, I also have a weird man crush on Jack for some reason.

  • It’s not that I hate Pre Rec it’s just that I don’t like it.

  • It’s not BotW but I’ll take it!

  • I guess you can like Pre:Rec if you like to laugh at how incompetent Rich and Jack are at anything gaming related.

  • Boo Urns

    Can I suck your cock?

  • Triple M

    THANK YOU for making the video the “extended” version and not a seperate audio file. It’s so much more convenient that way, I hope it’ill stay that way for future episodes!

  • Who the fuck are you and what are you doing with Dollar_Store_Cashier_Wife’s avatar?

  • RLMkeepitup

    there’s a knockoff version of this film called “independents’ day”. Has a 1.7 on imdb

  • LameSame

    What can I say? I like my gamers how I like my women: disgruntled yet unseasoned. Fits in neatly with my worldviews.

  • MEC2

    I cannot reconcile Mike’s criticism of Independence Day being “dumb” with his positive review of Jurassic World, a movie that required the abject stupidity of both characters and audience to advance the story. It was a movie for soft-headed children, and yet, ID4 is dumb. Hmmmm…

  • LameSame

    Well, he DID seem to be in an alcoholic pit during the time he reviewed Jurassic World. Also: I, like, totally was not hip with the “ID4” abbreviation until the ad campaigns for this new one started making the rounds. Am I a loser?

  • This is wrong. Your face is wrong!

  • RLMkeepitup

    I thought the brent spiner would be followed by a clip from star trek, then i remembered he’s actually in this moovie

  • mister man

    How many days after invasion do you think they would have destroyed Milwaukee?

  • OMNI

    Ok, c’mon mike get right this time..

  • Well! Shadows on the moon, S.E.T.I, and an apocalyptic song. It’s called foreshadowing. Kubrick would be proud. Check your facts RLM!

  • Dasjerm

    Mike’s man boobs are too distracting. I can’t concentrate on Jay’s uncomfortable shuffling around in his chair as he tries to come up with something clever to say while he laughs nervously at everything Mike says.

  • LameSame

    Everybody’s a critic.

  • LameSame

    “Let’s move on. Looks like somebody else already destroyed that one!”

  • RLMkeepitup

    that’s his review of re:View

  • LameSame

    Now I’ll have to re-view this re:View to see if his review makes any sensea;lkewjr;oaw4ekhjawoe;hawew

  • JoeAconite

    Deus Ex Mentiona.

  • savedbythebellend

    I don’t think Jay has actually watched the movie.

  • LameSame

    I approve the use of music from Paul McCartney’s “Ram” in this video. Great fucking album!

  • Mason

    I thought they were going to do movies they liked…

  • Bill

    I though the “gay panic” bit was rather a reference to the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy of the US military. The guy sees apparent gaiety so he just checks out. “Not asking. Don’t mind me”.

  • disqus_fnwCMQDX7u

    I was ten when it came out… they don’t respect my opinion 🙁

  • Adzl33t

    Please review Finding Dory, just review an animated movie Mike

    I was too young to check ID4 til much later, and I see it as a cornball B movie that’s kinda fun to watch, I like the music, humor, effects, and pacing, and even the actors even if I can only remember them as Bill Pullman president and Jeff Goldblum cable guy

    Which is why a sequel particularly a Nolan esque sequel just won’t work, this movie is too goofy and shallow for me to have any emotional impact for me, or any pop culture standing for most people that may only think of this movie as that goofy 90s movie with the computer virus that destroy aliens

  • fred

    Let me guess — Mike likes it.

  • b-

    They used the video game kid saving the day in Snakes on a Plane.

  • Adzl33t

    Kenan Thompson?

  • LameSame

    “Occasionally we may talk about a movie that we hate. You never know!”

    “Or a good-bad movie that doesn’t belong on ‘Best of the Worst’, where we wanna break it down more thoroughly.”

    “And it’s also meant to highlight movies you may (or may not) have seen.”

    -Mike & Jay, from the opening lines of the very first “re:View”.

  • LameSame

    He repeatedly asserts he doesn’t, but you kind-of-sort-of get the vibe that he actually does.

  • OMNI

    I’ve got a couple things. One re:View is best when Mike and Jay agree about the movie that they are discussing and that the show is better when it’s longer.
    Mike was definitely fairer to Jay this time and the points of the critique were spot on.
    I chuckled through this re:View.
    Back to form!

  • thatgeekygal

    My parents dragged me to go see this movie when it was in theaters. I was a kid and I was terrified of aliens at the time. I ended up screaming my head off in the theater so they had to leave halfway through. Didn’t actually watch the thing until years later. It’s…all right. I like Jeff Goldblum? And Will Smith was great too. Not much else to say.

    Hey! Digging this new series.

  • fred

    It’s like people who shop at Walmart.

  • Kaji

    I’d like to propose the term serenstupidy to describe a dumb offhand comment that inspires a brilliant idea

  • OMNI

    He probably had it on in the background. It’s a very dumb movie that has points of greatness esp. when Jeff Goldblum and Brent Spiner are on screen.

  • disqus_fnwCMQDX7u

    mike spit when he was talking

  • OMNI

    He was emoting and got really into the part.

  • LameSame

    I feel like Will Smith is always great when he’s just being Will Smith. When he tries on a faux-British accent and gets too serious (“After Earth”), things start getting weird.

  • OMNI

    That’s because he has very little talent in my opinion.

  • OMNI

    Will Smith is acceptable in ID4.

  • why_wolf

    I guess this means Mike and Jay won’t be going to the special one time showing double header of ID4 and ID4.2.

  • Mr. Pedantic

    Ok I’ll say it….this was good, but it would have been perfect for a Plinkett review.

  • OMNI

    What I found distracting was Mikes collar was tucked in wrong on the right side and his mike (ha) brought your eyes right there.

  • LameSame

    I’d say he’s talented as far as natural charisma goes. He’s very fun when he isn’t trying too hard. But I also like his “Ali” performance. He knows how to draw on his emotions when the mood is right. He reminds me more of an old-school, personality-first type of celebrity. Like Sinatra or Grant or Dino (which of the three doesn’t belong?).

  • Adzl33t

    I recommend Lindsay Ellis analysis on Roland Emmirich to understand why Roland is a hack, which his too many broad characters

    I also find Moviebob revaluation of ID4 as a movie about multiculturalism teamwork interesting

    Fun trivia, this is was Mae Whitman the voice actresses of Katara first movie who is now replace by some bland pretty lady, when is the Last Airbender Plinkett review, Mike you hack?

  • OMNI

    Yes that is a good description. Just not a fan of Will Smith.
    I like him as agent J.

  • LameSame

    Agent J is maybe my favorite of his “characters” too (read: Smith really gets to chew the scenery). I think it’s a big reason I even enjoyed the third one so much… nothing can make me too fond of that second MiB, though.

  • Palpatine

    The hacks are reviewing Independence Day on the wrong holiday!

    #Unsubscribe

  • LameSame

    Unless you’re a really shitty, absentee father. Then it’s exactly the appropriate holiday.

  • LameSame

    They’re, like, only five-to-ten years older than you, though.

  • tOmy`

    So I guess I will have to wait for more Wacky Jokes For Kids a bit longer, huh?

    Fine, this will do. But I am this close to telling someone to stop paying them Patreon money.

  • LameSame

    Good luck getting their parents to stop funding their Patreon on FATHER’S DAY, FUCKHEAD!

  • disqus_fnwCMQDX7u

    yeah, i was gonna post a follow up comment and ask that.. i always figured those two were like 5 or 6 years older, and then I guess Rich is a bit older than them? Well, I’m jk in my first comment. Being 10 vs 15 when you first see a movie does change your perspective on it.

  • tOmy`

    Independence day, Father’s day… Americans need to learn how not to give a shit this much.

  • LameSame

    That’s what St. Patty’s Day is for.

  • disqus_fnwCMQDX7u

    I’m surprised they didn’t compare SETI in “ID4” to it in Contact.

  • tOmy`

    Contact? Was that the movie where God was space and love was blind or something?

  • why_wolf

    A serendipitous event or happy accident.

  • disqus_fnwCMQDX7u

    lol, somethin like that

  • tOmy`

    What’s the obsession with telling them to re:view animated movies? Not everyone is into this specific kink.

  • LameSame

    I thought it was love was in space and God was blind… or space was blind and love is God? Or Jesus hates blind love so he blows up a spaceship???

  • tOmy`

    It’s one of them r/eddit kids. I saw him sucking on drugs the other day.

    Scum.

  • Percy Gryce

    Eureka moment.

    Google that in TV Tropes.

  • LameSame

    This gives me an idea… I’ve got it!

  • Adzl33t

    Has Mike watch Burton’s Mars Attack, that’s may be corny enough for him

  • tOmy`

    I am pretty sure the last one was the Challenger accident.

  • b-

    Yeah!

  • LameSame

    It reflects poorly on me that this is the most I’ve laughed at anything today.

  • I’ve had a huge question about the movie.

    OK, alien ship’s shields are down. The humans don’t know how long of a window they have so it looks like they’re only gonna get one shot at this. Why didn’t they just shoot their nukes at the enemy ships? Seems like a safer, more logical way to win the fight.

  • tOmy`

    That’s more of a double-rearer than header.

  • Percy Gryce

    “Poor Porkins”

    I hope Porkins has an awesome cameo in Rogue One.

  • Adzl33t

    I generally hope for Mike to review an animated movies on any of his shows, no I don’t count that shoddy sex ed vhs

  • Percy Gryce

    The “Best of Both Worlds” edit did make me larf.

  • LameSame

    It’s a Double-Downer.

  • Adzl33t

    Jay’s “sigh this nerd crap” face made me laugh

  • why_wolf

    it would make more logical sense. I think they sort of set up the reasoning for why they didn’t, which was when they tried to nuke the one over Houston they just ending up fucking up Houston. So the logic is if they nuked the one hover right over their own heads they’d just end up committing suicide.

  • Leo_Silva.

    I love it, I don’t care if it’s stupid.

  • LameSame

    But… the hive-mind… hates you… for this…

  • Leo_Silva.

    I have a theory: “Porkins” was just his nickname, and his real name was Lardass

  • Leo_Silva.

    Thanks

  • Adzl33t

    So did Star Fox 64 had a better plot with that Fortuna stage? Which ripped off ID4

    Mike you haven’t watch enough saturday morning cartoons to know those have way better plots than Roland Emmirch movies

    They didn’t gave Mae Whitman her job back Jay

  • why_wolf

    you have to pay good money to see some ass to ass play.

  • RLMkeepitup

    pretty sure Sagan, who also wrote Contact, was a trustee of SETI

  • David

    Fuck your crooked ass camera. :3

  • Jake

    “I don’t get why people like this movie” -Jay, Mike.

    Well, you liked that Dark Knight Rises movie, and X-Men: Apocalypse, so basically your opinions are garbage.

  • why_wolf

    It sounds like Mike actually does like it, as a guilty pleasure, and is just trying to rationalize it away by over thinking it. Jay sounds like he just doesn’t like the characters so he didn’t care or pay attention to anything else that happened. Which is a fine complaint, the movie really rides off you liking the characters enough that you like it when they survive each new death trap. I bet he would have been on board if they compressed the character into each other a bit. Will Smith is fighter pilot who believes in aliens and keeps applying too/rejected by NASA. Goldblum is under appreciated smart guy (minus the possibly racist Jewish stereotype father) and the President has a photogenic family who gets killed in the first 15 minutes and is all revenge fueled. Everyone else is dumped.

    At the end of the day ID4 is a disaster movie with aliens swapped in mother natures place. Personally I like it but I also know its a dumb movie. I have no real interest in the new one which I doubt has any of the debatable magic of the first one in it.

  • LameSame

    Wait, I kind of enjoyed all three! WHAT AM I, GOD? WHAT AM I?!?!

  • Ren1

    DAVID! DAVID!!!

  • James Lacy

    It’s a guilty pleasure.

  • Drew Angell

    Jay you’re trying too hard to hate this movie. Most of your comments or questions about the movie are answered in the movie

  • LameSame

    Stop being so critical, Jack!

  • LameSame

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………..

  • moron

    Was it even explained why the aliens even showed up? Are they just assholes who wanna kill people? I have seen the movie but don’t recall if this was explained.

  • Geoff Shotts

    They were there for the resources I believe.

  • Geoff Shotts

    “Welcome to Earf.”

  • LameSame

    Yeah, pretty much. They just go from world to world depleting planets of their resources and, yes, being assholes. The asshole thing is extra, though, because (as explained in this episode), there’s really no practical reason for their personal aggressions.

  • re:View is nice. Good job with the show. Hope you have great holidays RLMteam!

    Independence Day is such a moronic and smart formula wrapped around an effective money making Hollywood formula that it’s hard for me to give any angry criticism about it or even bog down and nit-pick while not thinking of all the other effective money vehicles out there. It was sure to win NO Oscars but make a TON of money. Blunt and effective.

    It is worrying that a lack of substance and intelligence could become a studio formula. But this goes for most types of movies. And it is a formula. If it works in anyway, churn it out. Twilight, Terminator anything and everything.

    I suffer more from today’s Marvel-repetition or the 20 pointless blockbuster churn out’s per year or any studio uprooting whatever worked in the past in order to reboot it tomorrow. SO YES, let Star Wars be alone and don’t let them spew out more movies to dilute it’s uniqueness and value. It’s such a Hollywood thing to do. Don’t cheer it, refuse it. It’s much worse to go see anything J.J puts out. Of course I don’t want Mr. Emmrich to make more movies but I would rather not have J.J pointing the way for studios to make a buck. Do we really want what he’s making? Is it worth anything? Do we want more dilution? Soon, nothing won’t be worth anything anymore. Have we thought this through?

    Anyyway. That was what I was thinking. And 2016 anyone! Seen any good Hollywood movies lately? 2017 is probably going to be even worse. May God kill us all.

  • LameSame

    This is the best suicide note ever written.

    But really: amen to everything you’re saying, here. Lots of great points. I really hope the Marvel machine runs out of steam someday. Or are we just doomed to this forever now?

  • Adzl33t

    Mike there’s an aquarium on Finding Dory that’s kinda like the aquarium on Star Trek 4

    So maybe review that instead?

  • moron

    I thought it was about resources. That’s dumb. Stupid movie.

  • LameSame

    I mean, that IS the stated reason. There’s just no reason for them to have gone about it the way they did is all.

  • LameSame

    Star Trek/Pixar shared universe confirmed?

  • Palpatine

    Star Trek IV? I’m sure they will some day. Finding Dory? Yeah, I don’t think so.

  • I have no idea.

    It’s working now. Comics saturates the culture like nothing before. Thanks to the Internet and thanks to everyone being a child at one point and reading comics.

    It is interesting to see people hating the SM reboot back in 2012 and now cheering a new reboot of SM cus he had down time in CA:CW and was a true comic adaptation. Have we learned nothing since 9/11?

    I think new things will be discovered along the way. We live in a time where we want constant distractions from big issues and it’s becoming a part of the problem with having global mind to not be able to solve these issues. So we entertain our selves with heroes and easy solutions. So there is always a good chance things change and we actually start growing up. I see 27 year olds acting like they are 17 and I’m part of that too.

    I know my kids will rebel and not want to be like me and I’m glad. They will mature faster and be much smarter then I am. They won’t hopefully have to use the word man baby like I must. And hopefully they won’t applaud companies making Star Wars collectibles(toys) for adults.

    But Hollywood is still a business like everything else. Hopefully we won’t get a Weyland like corporation ruling the world making products of us all. But who knows. We don’t want it but we can’t resist. It’s the weakness of our culture.

  • Palpatine

    I always love it when you make deep, thought provoking comments.

  • Like Icare

    Boutros MacLardo.

    Of the clan MacLardo.

  • Adzl33t

    Star Trek 6 is favorite Trek movie

  • Adzl33t

    I don’t think it’s the same place, I’m just desperate for Half in the Bag animated movie review

  • Thanks. I’ve been really bitter about 2016. I believe I have mentioned this before. And much thanks to my movie going friends listening to my rants afterwards I have learned a lot about what I actually think.

  • moron

    “We had 20 years to prepare: So did they” is seriously dumb. Most of our major cities and economic and population centers were decimated. How in the world would 20 years be nearly enough time to prepare for another invasion?

  • Like Icare

    Cause the ship is on top of them. It’s coming to wipe out the last military base – where they are all holed up. They’d just be nuking themselves.
    They already know that nukes don’t work if the shields are up. Which they assume they are.

    BECAUSE they don’t know that shields are down until that “one more try”.
    Up to that point it is all just the last Hail Mary shot – they don’t know if Goldblum’s plan actually worked on the saucers or if he and Smith even made it.
    Mothership is still up there at that point.

  • Thomas Nissen

    The moment you are talking about is what is called the “penny drop” moment.

  • OMNI

    Boutro Lardo would fall more in line with Star Wars land..

  • OMNI

    I would love to see a Pixar produced Star Trek cartoon

  • Palpatine

    I can understand where you’re coming from. All these big blockbusters must be exhausting after a while.

  • OMNI

    Ok, what moment?

  • OMNI

    I love TV tropes

  • OMNI

    Jay obviously was too bored by ID4 to pay attention

  • Like Icare

    Yeah. And it’s an actual thing. Which just leaves Jay and Mike looking like…

    What was the word used? Simpletons! Right.

  • It’s not that actually but it’s a lack of good Hollywood movies. I’m to dumb for smart movies or movies titled masterpiece so I want something in between. Like Hail Caesar, only not so bad.

  • OMNI

    Does Rich Evans even exist anymore?

  • Mike Schwartz

    Bob Dole’s favorite film! Remember, don’t watch Trainspotting or you’ll get addicted to heroin.

  • Like Icare

    Pehaps, perhaps… though that’s more of a non-human name.
    Humans need more human-like names. Particularly the good guys.
    American sounding names if possible.

  • To “catch a cold” is a thing. When you say “you don’t want to catch a cold” means “you don’t want to get sick.”

  • disqus_fnwCMQDX7u

    yeah, apparently all the supporting people are based on real employees

  • LameSame

    I watched Trainspotting and all’s I got was addicted to submerging myself in dirty toilets.

  • bleurgh

    I am hoping this is addressed in the film, but it probably won’t be.

    One possible solution is that the near destruction of Earth led to a new kind of political system. Maybe some kind of one world government sort of thing, with mandatory military service for people of a certain age like they have in Israel. The millitarry service would involve both combat training and recruits would also function as a labor workforce. That combined with the new technological developments based off the alien technology and a much larger investment into defense and weapons research could change things pretty dramatically. I’m sure some cities had to be abandoned and left in ruins, but those that were only slightly damaged could have recovered and been made stronger.

    Will the movie explore any of these ideas though? No, that would actually be interesting.

  • bleurgh

    100 PERCENT would have been the ideal solution. They shouldn’t have even waited until Goldblum and Smith are off the mothership either.

  • Thomas Nissen

    They were talking about that moment where the Dad is saying “You don’t want to catch cold.” and Goldface says: “A cold…you’re a genius!”. That moment is what we called the “penny drop” moment. Not sure if it is universal but the acting community I was around called it that.

  • OMNI

    Just clarifying. The Eureka moment, same thing right?

  • Bola

    Hitler whipped Germany into shape pretty quickly. Perhaps Trump would do the same. Here’s hoping for a Trump cameo.
    We thought he was an evil leader… it turned out he was our last, best hope.

  • OMNI

    Well we now have Po-Dameron, so I thought, you know…

  • LameSame

    I have a theory: if studios started taking many risks with smaller-budgeted-but-decent films (as opposed to one all-or-nothing risk on one stupid BIG film), they may actually make more money that way. But who am I? Maybe that’s what TV’s for now. It’s just a shame that the canvas of the big screen doesn’t get that treatment anymore.

  • Thomas Nissen

    I never heard the Eureka moment. The Shakespeare folks used “penny drop” and so did the LA assholes so, I just assume it’s a standard somewhere.

  • Bola

    Good thinking. Service Guarantees Citizenship. Would you like to know more?

  • OMNI

    It sounds like a typical “new movie” framework, so that will probably be the setting but it won’t be elaborated on.

  • bleurgh

    Starship Troopers is a really smart movie hidden beneath a really dumb movie.

  • OMNI

    I just looked it up on TV tropes and yes “Penny Drop” and “Eureka moment” are synonymous.

  • OMNI

    That would be a good one for re:View.

  • Thomas Nissen

    Okay.

  • Bola

    Now we’re talking.

  • Bola

    Hey you hacks! Do Starship Troopers next.

  • Ren1

    Yea!
    I’m doing my part.

  • I agree.

  • Palpatine

    Well Mike did use Johnny Rico from that movie as an example of a good protagonist in the Plinkett review of The Phantom Menace.

  • MichaelKz

    Well, at least this movie created the interest within Hollywood to get Mars Attacks! made.

  • Ren1

    It’s a solid movie. Not perfect but definently worthy of a re:View.

  • MichaelKz

    Independence Day was the first time I was cynical about a blockbuster movie.

  • fred

    GODDAMIT MIKE — it took me over ten years to wipe “The Explorers” completely from my brain!!! NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • ElectricPrism

    I love new old things. bring it on.

  • Ren1

    How about Beetlejuice as re:View content? Micheal Keaton is so great in that movie.

  • Wolvy

    I love it when the little green men put a horse’s face on a little dog’s body.

  • fred

    The opening scene is great — the rest is kind of bland.

  • fred

    Nobody calls it that.

  • Bubs

    I typically give zero fucks when famous people die. But I’m legitimately bummed out that Anton Yelchin is dead. I feel he had some good movies in him that he’ll never get to make. RIP.

  • MichaelKz

    I usually care when it is someone that I am familiar with, but this death is particularly sad to me. The NuTrek movies are dumb, but Yelchin’s Chekov was a bright spot in them.

  • fred

    I wish people weren’t buried in coffins. The body should naturally decompose to make the earth fertile for future generations to use the space. It’s a waste of metal and space. Death sucks — but you need an expensive stone to remember them by? And it somehow makes death better if you treat the corpse with “respect” by putting it in a casket to rot away from the earth?

    That’s my off topic rant for the evening.

  • LameSame

    At the expense of being a dorky, nitpicky turd (and believe me– I’m being one), I’ll repost an earlier response I had to a similar comment:

    “Occasionally we may talk about a movie that we hate. You never know!”

    “Or a good-bad movie that doesn’t belong on ‘Best of the Worst’, where we wanna break it down more thoroughly.”

    “And it’s also meant to highlight movies you may (or may not) have seen.”

    -Mike & Jay, from the opening lines of the very first “re:View”.

    Alright, second and last time I’m posting that. It was just so clearly part of the M.O. that I don’t know where the misconception comes from. Maybe it’s that at least one of them liked the last two films? Anyway, done being a twat. Sorry.

  • fred

    Don’t Hug Me I’m Scared is really good.

  • kylemz

    I saw it after it came out on video. I was 15. I liked it. Haven’t seen it since. Remember almost nothing about it. I wonder how I would feel about it now.

  • UnhealthyNutter

    You guys at RLM loved The Force Awakens(and alot of the criticisms leveled at Independence Day equally apply to TFA)… so you cant really say anything about it being dumb, for simpletons, say anything bad about Independence Day jf you then go on to love The Force Awakens.

  • Fair enough. I should have re:Viewed the first video… … …

  • Balgor Vern

    You forgot to mention the dumbest “I’m the new Spielberg – now swallow this ham-fisted homage” moment which was the Operation Welcome Wagon sequence. They fly a helicopter up to one of the alien ships and flash lights at it ala. Close Encounters. The only person on Earth capable of getting a chuckle from that who wasn’t a dimwit could only be Spielberg himself. For me, that moment is emblematic of the level of film savvy the creators had. It’s a very particular amount. Enough to know plot formulas, character development, setups and payoffs, but all devoid of what is most needed: actual cleverness.

  • fred

    They might have mentioned it in the full discussion.

  • BCFC25

    Im really starting to like these re-Views and though i must say i do
    prefer when you hate on a movie like this one rather than spend 30 mins
    gushing on a movie that you like but maybe thats because iam a hateful
    prick LOL

    Iam glad you are gonna spend time chatting on movies that you love and
    hate. ALSO FFS PLEASE BRING RICH EVANS INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS YOU
    FUCKING PAIR OF TALENTLESS HACKS!

  • Micha

    So the first complaint is that this is not “Man of Steel”? ;-D

    I actualy disliked ID:4 back in the day when i first saw it, i was 15 back than i belive.

  • OMNI

    I saw it when I was 26 in the theater and while I had a good time I never felt like I would buy it on VHS or DVD. I walked away thinking it was dumb.

  • OMNI

    He was talented and was the new Chekov what a bummer. RIP Anton.

  • OMNI

    Were too polluted and chemically toxic. We need to be cremated when we pass on.

  • OMNI

    For me it was Total Recall (the original).

  • OMNI

    Mike and Jay need to get a grip on when they disagree, because that re:View sucked.

  • OMNI

    The next Trek film at least has me interested. I wish the last one was re-made and re-edited.

  • OMNI

    Call me weird but I like horse-faced girls. Just a different kind of beauty.

  • I find it puzzling how many people love The Force Awakens. There are plenty of moments when it’s just as goofy and nonsensical as the prequels; the rest of the time it’s just fan service and references to the original films.

  • OMNI

    The Force Awakens is definitely better than ID4

  • fred

    oh wait — there isn’t one

  • Balgor Vern

    Sorry if it came across as an accusation. They covered other references which is fair enough. The ridiculousness of that particular sequence has stuck with me since I first saw it, so I felt compelled to mention it.

  • I was 10 when Independence Day released and I loved it. Such a fun film for me and my friends. We were reenacting and quoting it for years. I have it on Blu-ray now and I still thoroughly enjoy it.

    Probably my nostalgia keeps me from being objective, but this movie feels more genuine and comes off more fun than todays huge blockbusters. I’m well aware of its goofy moments and shortcomings (the dog outrunning the explosion in the tunnel, the stereotypical Jewish character, etc.) but I’ll always enjoy this film.

    Now, I will say I don’t much care for The Day After Tomorrow and I’ve never actually sat down and watched 2012. Did I outgrow Roland Emmerich or are those films genuinely crappier?

  • OMNI

    I’m glad that Mike and Jay just made a long video discussion.

  • “We can’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore…”

  • OMNI

    You correct. It’s the only Emmerich movie that I can watch all of the way through. Mikes assessment of ID4 as a turning point is also correct.
    To be fair I don’t like all of Speilbergs

  • Now that’s what I call a Close Encounter.

  • Balgor Vern

    I think it’s just that the concept of their other disaster epics aren’t as cool. ID4 could have been a terrific film with better writing. The trailer made it look epic so my friends and I couldn’t wait to see it. I’m sure if I’d been 10 at the time I too would have loved the film.

    I was very young when I saw Flash Gordon. It’s a cheesy film but I love it all the same. So, yes, I’d say nostalgia has a very big part to play.

  • OMNI

    I LOVE Flash Gordon, but some of the effects and design are lost on me, but it’s a DeLaurentis joint so, yes flaws…

  • OMNI

    Crappier and just fucking ridiculous.

  • OMNI

    My answer is that TFA at least evokes some emotion and is a fun Star Wars movie. It’s not perfect but Abrams does capture the spirit of SW.

  • I have a feeling he liked it a lot in the past but has now “outgrown” it.

  • Jerome Gorden

    Another mediocre remake of a mediocre movie. Can’t they come up with anything original anymore?

  • Balgor Vern

    That sequence where Flash is kamikazeing the ship into the capital, the cockpit glass is all blown out, the frame is ablaze and whipped by the in-rushing air… Still the coolest shot I’ve ever seen.

  • Balgor Vern

    Their follow up, Godzilla, being the lowest of the low. Time would have been better spent at the dentist.

  • OMNI

    Flash Gordon is one of my favorites. I watch that and Logan’s Run when I dabbled a little too much and need a little diversion…

  • OMNI

    No. Hollywood doesn’t like original, it could change the matrix…

  • It works in my mind. It does not cross the line into dumb-bad. It sucks in all ways except that it still maintains function and is entertaining. So I still defend it in a few ways.It’s blunt and effective. I would also watch it before most movies that comes out nowadays. I’d rather have Mr. Emmrich fart on me then Disney.

    For me it’s the characters that are portrayed by stars that makes me watch it and not go crazy. I like Will & Jeff as actors. And the special effects are really charming. I’m very fond of the miniatures and the usage of the space ships. I think that the flight battles are well made. The reveal of the spaceship is iconic and it does not have much that matches it even today. Look at all the brain dead CG in CA and BvS, who cares? This feels somewhat convincing.

    This movie throws everything at you so I guess something stuck with me.

    But still, final score: 4.1/10.

  • metalraygear

    everything you guys said is one hundred percent true…. But I can’t help my eight year old self from loving the shit out of this movie. I still like it to this day, and I know it is bad.

    Thanks for the laughs though lol.

  • Mike Magnum

    Yeah ID4 is a cheesy stupid and explosive extravaganza. But the characters and the events of the movie are still more interesting than anything that happens in Space Cop. Sorry Mike and Jay. But ill forgive you for Holden My Dick deleted scene. I mean i saw Feeding Frenzy. I know you can do better.

  • OMNI

    I like Space Cop.

  • If Verhoeven was doing everything to make me hate the cast of Starship Troopers, he did great.

  • Imperial_orb

    Really? Did they also said something about this not replacing HitB?
    Because I’m very worried it will and I don’t want that.

  • Tvastrत्वष्टृ

    28:04 Fortuitus ex Machina?

  • Imperial_orb

    Aahh! Independence Day; One of the big TV motion pictures.
    It’s up there with movies like Bad Boys and… I don’t know… Interview with the Vampire?
    At least I have the feeling that it is one of those movies, they show more often then other movies or at least annually. I don’t really care for it, but fuck me, I have watched it probably more then any other movie. If having a movie on in the background counts as watching.

  • Joe

    Some of these plot holes could be answered like “It takes a lot of time to collect resources, and the aliens accurately have a valid fear of humanity hurting them while they do.” But I get it’s in the best interest of the show to allow for plot hole jokes even when we admit there are reasonable answers.

    This movie is dumb, but it’s so endearingly dumb. It’s like Furious 7 except less intentionally dumb. Roland has a low ceiling to how smart he can be but still this movie is just really rich with “moments” even if so many of them are dumb setup or payoffs or just dumb randomness. It’s a charming movie and they smile when they talk about it and that smile is why I’d kind of defend this movie. It’s not amazing but how do you not smile at a lot of parts of this movie?

  • Imperial_orb

    I was so amused when they mentioned Harvey Fierstein in the Review.
    To me he’s one of those persons, I sometimes feel the need to make a bad impersonation of around friends. I guess we all have someone like that.
    My heart goes out to all that had Bill Cosby as there chosen one.

  • Imperial_orb

    “Anton Yelchin, a rising actor best known for playing Chekov in the new “Star Trek” films, was killed by his own car as it rolled down his driveway (…)”

    Wait, what? How?

  • LameSame

    They did, in fact! It isn’t replacing anything. HitB is specifically for new releases now. Which it always kind of was, give or take a couple episodes. re:View is for older releases that are of specific interest to them for this or that reason. It will also not always be hosted by Mike & Jay.

  • Joe

    They are definitely worse films. Asking if 2012 is genuinely worse than Independence Day is like asking if John Cusack is less fun to hang out with than Will Smith: Yes Absolutely

    That said I do think the doors to my heart were initially open to this film because I was young and so nostalgia does make a difference.

  • Joe

    I really liked Spielbergs WotW. Aside from whiny Dakota Fanning it was solid.

  • Joe

    I have GOT to get me one of these!

  • Imperial_orb

    War of the Worlds tripods are groundbreaking…
    Wish I could poke your sides with my elbow right now…

  • Like Icare

    It’s actually Poe Dameron.
    Like Edgar Alan and Dameron, MO. Or Dameron, WV. Or the one in Maryland.

    Good guys will never be called something like Stinky or Smello or Jabba the Fat.
    It’s a fairy tale. Bad guys are ugly and have bad names, good guys are pretty and have good names.

  • Imperial_orb

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  • tOmy`

    I heard he has his own show where he uses the word “gamer” as a loosely as I am using the word “consent”.

  • Imperial_orb

    That is so mean! Imagine any of them reading this. They would feel so bad.

  • Imperial_orb

    You better take it maggit. There are countless Rumours of this show replacing BotW, and you just watch out HitB is next in line.

  • *Insert Han Solo’s voice* “It’s true, all of it!”

  • Imperial_orb

    They would empty their septic tanks over Milwaukee.

  • rizla

    the script of independence day is not weaker than the script of episode 7. it’s all about convenience. everything and everybody is connected, so there’s no reason needed for anything.

  • FewChar

    The “Eureka” Moment.

  • Tvastrत्वष्टृ

    Yours is pretty good actually. Could be a bit more pejorative, but I can see myself using your term.

  • Imperial_orb

    Jeez…
    That was almost as emotional as President Thomas Whitmore’s speech in 1996 on Independence Day.

  • Allen Boxer

    Wasn’t that “video gamer trumps soldier” theme the plot of Pixels?

  • Erwin

    This is really beating a dead (and retarded) horse.

  • Kevin

    I’n not finished watching your review, but based on the comments it doesn’t look like anyone’s noted this… Independence Day is an updated version of War of the Worlds. Every plot point is there, most notable the aliens being killed by a virus. In 1890 is was a biological virus and in this film, a computer virus. Cause it’s 1996. Other points, El Toro/Horsel Common, nuking Houston/HMS Thunderchild, it goes on and on. Roland Emmerich does War of the Worlds.

    I’m really surprised you guys missed/didn’t go into this.

  • Imperial_orb

    That’s because, like me, they most probably didn’t read the book.
    But that is interesting, didn’t know that. Now this movie get’s even less respect from me.

  • Gallen Dugall

    I’m still watching and so far they haven’t grasped the fact. Makes me wonder if there are any versions of the WotW story that they do like. Because it’s a pretty dumb story.

  • So I never understood why the virus in the first place. According to the movie, the mothership provided power to the smaller ships, as when the Roswell ship started lighting up. So nuke mothership, all ships die. I know that’s very Avengers/Trade Federation droids but they set that up so the virus was pointless.

  • frankelee

    I still remember people groaning in the theater. I hope they bring Randy Quaid back.

  • Gallen Dugall

    If you read books you soon realize that all movies are dumb.

  • Gallen Dugall

    Just watched their discussion of the virus affecting the aliens and nope they don’t grasp that it’s from the original story. Mike and Jay need to read a book.

  • Gallen Dugall

    Because that’s how War of the Worlds ends. A common virus, that shouldn’t have any way of affecting the aliens, is what takes out the aliens. Go complain to HG Wells.

  • I walked out of the theater after watching this as a 10-year-old and boldly declared, “INDEPENDENCE DAY is my favorite movie of all time,” which should tell you everything you need to know about who this movie is speaking to.

  • Imperial_orb

    That’s put it crudely… but I know what you mean.
    It’s also shocking the first time you find out that most movies are based on books.

  • Gallen Dugall

    Are there any versions of War of the Worlds that they do like? Because it’s all the same dumb story. You’ve got the even more dumb Tom Cruise version, that anime version with the mechs that came out a couple of years ago, the ’50s religious message version, the couple of hundred made for TV/radio versions, or just read the book.

  • Imperial_orb

    That’s their style.

  • Variant

    I saw this in the theaters when I was like 6 or 7. I could care less about it though, I’ve always looked back on it as traditional 90s schlock. I’ll admit I never thought about the aliens being Giger ripoffs but I suppose I could see that – I always liked the idea of a smaller creature piloting the big biomecahnical suits though. I remember I had one of the action figures and it actually had the alien, you open up the suit’s face and put him in, and it had like 8 octopus arms that were bendable/poseable – p neat. Looking back at it now probably the only thing I like from the movie is the visual from the opening when the ships are coming down through the atmosphere. I thought that was a neat visual, and seeing it for the first time I wasn’t entirely sure what was going to be behind all that smoke and flame. It was a nice reveal for the unusually large space craft, that made for a few effectively menacing images.

  • Gallen Dugall

    I’m going to go way out on a limb and say this is probably the best version of the story even including the original book which focused heavily on the aliens using poison gas to wipe out cities, minimalist characters, and no particular through story.

  • Gallen Dugall

    …and then you find out everything is a variation on one of the seven basic stories.
    😀

  • Wolvy

    Orson Welles had the best version of “War of the Worlds”, and it was a radio broadcast!

  • tOmy`

    I am gonna repeat myself here, but I do find Feeding Frenzy a pretty great movie.

  • I’m very passionate about Boyhood

  • cucadandi

    Guess why the gay character is drinking Fanta? Because Fanta’s FRUITY.
    Just like the FAGGOT drinking it! Isn’t that CLEVER??

    Mid-90s audience reaction: “HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA”

  • cucadandi

    He likes it for the same reasons I do – the not so subtle homophobia.

  • Thomas Nissen

    People named fred always say that.

  • cucadandi

    Hopefully they’ll let you out of the nursery home for an evening so you can go catch ID4?

  • cucadandi

    Huh, I wudda thought such a person would’ve killed himself by now.

  • AJ

    Talking about movies you love that don’t fit in another format sure lasted long…

  • AJ

    it’s better when they like a movie, they are far more informative when they do. they gush so rarely i wonder how you don’t get sick of the hateful prick shtick.

  • AJ

    they disagreed more in the previous one

  • The Wicker Man (BWF)

    #WeAreAllDollarStoreCashierWifes

  • OMNI

    Yes that was what I was speaking of.

  • OMNI

    Hopefully. I have an abusive nurse that keeps me tied to a portable toilet…

  • OMNI

    I guess his name is just Porkins then…

  • OMNI

    I think it’s HG Wells least complete novella.

  • OMNI

    I have that in my playlist, I have to listen to it every time. I just can’t turn it off.

  • OMNI

    I sort of always gloss that fact over, maybe it’s the difference in the story structure or that EVERY alien invasion movie is basically War of the Worlds.
    Except for Spielberg’s version which had the aliens hibernating under the ground…yawn

  • luvs2pwge

    Still better than Slumdog Millionaire.

  • Michael Tuthill

    lol – WHAT THE FUCK YOU DON’T LIKE INDEPENDENCE DAY??

  • William Everett

    When are you going to review the new Adam Sandler movie? Suffer for our amusement!

  • fred

    kay

  • RLMkeepitup

    Mikes reaction as Jay attempts to explain how ID Resurgence could begood –>> 😐

  • fred

    If there was an AFI’s top 100 list for youtube/internet videos (series?) — The Plinkett reviews would be up there with Don’t Hug Me .I’m Scared.

  • fred

    Jays reaction when he realizes Mike’s about to drivel about Star Trek again.

  • RLMkeepitup

    thats why they’re the dynamic duo

  • durhay

    Paul McCartney’s “Too Many People” FTW

  • RLMkeepitup

    Genesis had a song like that

  • Sheriff Mitchell

    It’s definitely dumb. But I still don’t hate it.

    Godzilla on the other hand…

  • fred

    Is this the one with Deniro or Pacino — I get those mixed up these days.

  • fred

    Did anybody see that moopie?

  • Bubs

    Why can’t you just press X to pay respects like everyone else?

  • OMNI

    Nope. Zero interest in Bollywood, except for “Robot”.

  • Kevin Anderson

    LOL. Seriously, ID4 follows the book nearly beat for beat. Just a lot more splody.

  • Kevin Anderson

    Meh, the point of the book was for Wells to show the English how iit’d be if what they were doing to the natives in their colonies, happened to the English.

    Plus it had the advantage of never having been thought of before.

  • Kevin Anderson

    The Spielberg version was horrible. Pretty much as bad as the TV show. What I’d really like to see is a faithful version of WoW done as a period piece.

  • OMNI

    Yes! It’s never been done here in the US, maybe in the UK. I say do the story exactly as it was written.

  • Kevin Anderson

    I’ll admit. I just want to see an ironclad taking on a bunch of walking fighting machines.

  • Kevin Anderson

    What about the 1954 version of WoW? It also followed the book closely. It just moved the location to California and updated the tech.

  • OMNI

    I’m a fan of period pieces. I think very rarely do I enjoy the modern setting of books that were written in the 19th century.
    First men on the Moon is a good example of well done period pieces, well basically all of Jules Verne’s stories are period pieces. Come to think of it I think its odd that HG Wells novels are almost always modernized.

  • Kevin Anderson

    Actually, the more I think about it, to be fair to ID4, the original book was little more than a high-concept, penny-dreadful w/ a little more money and talent behind it.

  • OMNI

    It was good, and it’s a classic. I thought it took place in NJ?

  • Kevin Anderson

    There we a number of low-rent production companies in the UK in the 60’s that did a good job of filmming Verne and Wells stories and setting them in the mid to late 1800s.

    Kinda silly movies but fun to watch. Not unlike ID4

  • Mugato

    Damn. I usually defend these guys as *not* being clueless film school nerds but this review reminds me of Ebert towards the end when he was trying to understand a sci-fi movie and just dismissed it instead.

  • OMNI

    I thought that in the UK, someone would make the stories in their appropriate time period and location.

  • Kevin Anderson

    I’ve read the book. Decades ago. My primary reference point to WoW is Jeff Wayne’s version.

  • Kevin Anderson

    And Disney. 20,000 Leagues is very watchable.

  • OMNI

    Oh yeah, and Mysterious Island! Both excellent renditions in their proper time period.

  • Barking dog

    “There isn’t an extended audio version of this episode” good that you said that, was gonna go straight into the long version because last time I kind of got the same things twice with watching and listening

  • Barking dog

    it’s entertaining dumb movie, like most movies with will smith

  • RedLetterMediumsDotCorn

    Makes a world of difference with the video! Mike should always be on screen. Whenever Mike’s not on screen, everyone should be asking….uh you know.
    Thanks Redlight! You DO care!

  • RedLetterMediumsDotCorn

    I was also a youngling when this came out, and didn’t speak any English. Maybe it was hyped up too much, but it was too… I dunno, i dont make much eenglish,it was ugh! But it was one of those movies all your friends liked and you were like…why have you forsaken me?

  • Kevin Anderson

    That’s Orson Well’s 1932(?) radio version.

  • Cream-A-Thon

    Of course this re:view will be completely negated when Mike & Jay’s fan fllm of ID4, “IndepenDANCE Day” is revealed.

  • William Everett

    I believe the new one has David Spade in it. So it has to be good. Right?

  • OMNI

    Wow it’s been a long time since I’ve seen the 1953 as it is set in Cali, making ID4 an even bigger rip-off (homage if you’re a fan).

  • Cream-A-Thon

    I thought the tone of re:view was intended to be more celebratory of films and filmmaking but here it feels like shameless click co-opting. I understand the need for view$ but at least pick a property you liked in your youth and which has a sequel, reboot, or re-imagining coming out, like, I dunno… Ghostbusters?

  • Cream-A-Thon

    I remember looking at my watch more than the movie and, if I had to do it over again, I’d just watch my watch for the duration.

  • Jean-François Martel

    Mars Attacks is so boring tho

  • Graham Miller

    The whole time I kept thinking you guys should do a re:View of Mars Attacks, then Mike name-checked it at the end there.

    Despite being dumb, I somehow find this movie less offensive than something like San Andreas. At least Independence Day maintains an internal consistency, and is competently put together enough to let you just sick back and enjoy. More modern iterations of this type of film are so incoherent and don’t even bother giving reasons for anything happening, it completely ruins my suspension of disbelief.

  • spynet315

    Not gonna lie, yes you his movie is stupid, but I still enjoy it on a very superficial level. It’s a dumb, fun action movie. I’d be curious to know your thoughts on Stargate, the movie not the show

  • OMNI

    My thought was that it sucked.

  • OMNI

    San Andreas is like the rotten fruit of the Emmerich era action movies.

  • RandMS

    Please reupload Mr. Plinkett – The Animated Series!

  • OMNI

    Oh God.

  • OMNI

    In-Depends-Dance. 🙂

  • david moon

    You so can tell that Mike edited this episode: he gets to correct/bully/tease Jay every other second. Mike you shellfish brasstard.
    I´d done the same being in charge for once btw.

    One bit of criticism is warped around my heart:
    I enjoyed the first episode of re:View the most cause
    you guys talked straight about a movie that you actually really liked.
    Please do that more often, cause that was a new thing in your rooster.

  • Kevin Anderson

    *shrug* movies get remade all the time. Sometimes better sometimes not.

  • Fartastic

    I rather enjoy Stargate. It has some cool visuals, good-natured humor, effective characterization and decent actors.

  • Topalov: “Alien mothership takes knight.”

    Kasparov: “You have destroyed my white horse.”

    Kasparov: “Rook takes alien attack ship. welcome to square E5 motherf_____”

    etc

  • RandMS

    Yeah. I keep praying God too to get the best content of this site to be returned. But that bastard is being cheap with miracles nowadays.

  • rashad1

    love you guys been a fan since the first star wars review

    but fuck you guys ID4 is a classic “DUMB” movie

  • Imperial_orb

    Urgh! I hate that movie so much. That shit was soo depressing, it wasn’t entertaining at all, it was just an accumulation of horrible and terrible things.
    I can imagine (that’s even the point of the movie I’m sure) that for some people this movie can be intriguing because it shows you Indian culture. It also shows some of the social, political, economic and environmental issues ETC. over there and those things can shock you. SO, if you have no clue and never heard about any of that stuff it can make you feel something I guess.
    But I knew about most of these things when I watched it and it was just sad.
    And the fucking end didn’t make it better.

  • Aaron Nagy

    You do realize that aliens invade earth is a trope beaten to death WAY, WAY more times than what you just listed above right….right?

    The anime version with the mechs was a terrible spin-off of an actually good story in the same setting, but that’s mostly because it had things like…characters…character development…plot…all things the spin-off was missing. The Tom Cruise one was fun despite deviating from the source dramatically, kind of like Starship Troopers.

  • bleurgh

    I’m shocked by how interesting some episodes of the show that it inspired managed to be given how bone dry, boring and unimaginative the movie that inspired it was. RDD really brought a lot to the show because they actually started writing more comedy into the series purely to play to his strengths. Surreal sci-fu weirdness and comedy is always a winning combination if you ask me. That being said I always thought the over-arching storyline was one of the shows weakest elements and the more contained single episode storylines were the most effective.

  • bleurgh

    I fucking loved that movie as a child, but there is no way I’m ever viewing it through the eyes of a world-weary adult.

  • Ogrot

    To the people who are like, “I can’t believe you hate my favorite corny schlockfest! I know its terrible, that’s why I like it!” I think Jay and Mike’s hatred of this cornball dumb action fest was not merely because it was dumb. It was due to it being both dumb and a watershed film. It’s success birthed the disaster porn genre and the renaissance of the loud, stupid, and pandering sci fi action big budget summer film that Micheal Bay would be the Leonardo Da Vinci to. Both of which we can prolly agree are a blight on the big budget tentpole scene. I think that is generally where their ire for this film comes from. Roland Emmerich essentially discovered the formula that Micheal Bay would later pollute the screen with.

  • bleurgh

    Man that movie is terrible and to have come from a great director like Boyle and also go on to win fucking awards, awards for it’s supposed quality. I mean, holy fucking shit, I can’t even comprehend it. It’s a similar case to Benjamin Button. Great director gets rewarded for creating a price of pandering crap.

  • Imperial_orb

    Yes, the shit they say in the first 2½ min is why they really hate it so much .
    They associate the movie with a lot of bad things basically.
    I think that is fair enough.

  • LincolnHawksBaseballCap

    In the words of my generation………….”Up Yours!”

  • NicCagesHair

    But it has a soundtrack by Queen so, flawless in every way.

  • Sneakstir

    Through the time distortion effect of space travel, the mothership was running on Windows ME. The virus was merely coincidental to the catastrophic failure.

  • moron

    This came out the same weekend as the world-famous Kazaam! starring juicy-meated Shaquille O’Neal. Too bad that one wasn’t the big hit or we’d be inundated with movies starring basketball players as magical genies.

  • Ren1

    I can hear it even now…DAVID!

  • RLMkeepitup

    Jay confused that people enjoyed a crappy movie… but last episode praises Escape from York. Oh, I get it, this show has replaced Pre-Rec.. ohhhmyygaadd

  • Ren1

    Still have not seen TFA. Too afraid.

  • Greg

    LOVE re:View guys!! .. BUT have to disagree… I love Independence Day …. just my 2Cents

  • I’ll take “Up Yoooouuuurs!” over “They caught a virus (LITERALLY) and died off. …yay…” any day. Maybe it could have been handled better. But I think the rest of it was just an exercise in Spielberg suspense 101. This begs the question: has any movie accomplished what ID and WotW attempted…in the past 30 years anyway?

  • Joe Syxpac

    The big question is: Will Randy Quaid stop being crazy long enough to save us from yet another alien invasion?

  • Escape From New York is way better than Independence Day. Much like Stargate, ID4 is watchable in a trainwreck kind of way, but you must know in your heart it’s just an illustration of the special effects artforms at the time it was made and nothing more.

  • Caruso S.

    I said something similar after walking out of SPAWN.

    Fucking SPAWN.

  • Greg

    Very Good…

  • Joe Syxpac

    One of our local radio stations plays that in its entirety every Halloween. I listen to it every year.

  • Joe Syxpac

    After Earth?

  • Joe Syxpac

    I think it might have been called a “trigger word” or “trigger phrase” in literary circles before it was absconded by overly sensitive idiots.

  • Herrkilman

    I don’t agree at all with the “we don’t know what the aliens want”-thesis. It’s an alien invasion movie. It doesn’t matter exactly why they’re invading, in fact the first part of the movie is effective because the threat is unknown. We don’t understand the enemy.

    Still a crappy movie, though. But not because of that. In fact, I wish we didn’t have the stupid scene where we learn the motivation at all.

  • MichaelKz

    Both don’t like the movie, but Independence Day is still too big for Best of the Worst.

  • You don’t mention once that this is a ripoff of HG Wells War of the Worlds? Even Mars Attack confirmed it was based on the trading cards that as based on WotW, but ID4 is above acknowledgement of their sources.

    So like Volcano/Dante’s Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Antz/A Bug’s Life and Mars Attacks!/Independence Day are all part of the big studio showdown. Now we have Asylum ripping them off instead.

  • MichaelKz

    There’s a Seinfeld episode where Kramer says that Independence Day was based on book about toy ray guns. Just a joke, but with a kernel of truth.

  • snot house

    rad to hear that jay doesn’t respect anyone’s opinion unless they’re 37

  • Joe

    IMO, they are 2 different premises, ID is about fighting an alien invasion and WotW is about surviving an alien invasion, and with that comes lots of cool sequences/set pieces (and some of the best sound design I’ve heard in a long time). I just remember between that awesome BWWWARGH noise and the sound effects of battle (like fireworks) and all these other great things really having an awesome theater experience with WotW. I get what you are saying about the ending, but I think the audience was more about watching Tom Cruise’s story arc than the higher level story.

  • Bootsy81

    I thought this series was about movies you liked because you bitched out so many movies on Half in the Bag?

    So far we’ve had one movie you really like, one movie one of you liked and the other doesn’t and one movie you both hate. It’s like you’re slipping into old habits and bitching out movies again.

    I guess it’s easier to criticize than to praise right? I mean, just look at me now in this comment!

  • Tristan

    Emmerich seems to believe, that to show the impact of a catastrophe on humanity, you need a high number of characters from all parts of society (president, soldier, scientist, worker etc.). But the result is that these characters are underdeveloped clichés for which the viewer doesn’t really care. Movies who focus on few, but original characters achieve that goal far better: An extreme example is Melancholia, where we only see four characters reacting to the catastrophe, but in radically different, yet believable ways.

  • Bootsy81

    Bill Pullman explains the Aliens motivation for invading Earth when it psychically assaults him in Area 51, he explains how they travel from world to world feeding on planets resources, “like locusts” if I remember right. It’s that insight from the alien that convinces him to use nukes in the end. Not defending the movie but that particular criticism is explained to be fair.

  • Gallen Dugall

    Which yet again was adapted from the book that the movie was based on.

  • Deaths Head Knight

    Stargate isn’t bad, it was pretty refreshing when it came out. They had good physical set and prop design, large numbers of extras, grand scale, memorable lines of dialogue.. Things that have been getting rarer and rarer in movies since the 2000s.

    You can see that phenomenon happen for real in the Alien movie series. Look how increasingly fake and forgettable subsequent movies get.

  • luvs2pwge

    It was only tropes . Similar to Independence Day both had very good marketing campaigns that got hype around the films.

  • OMNI

    Yes. ID4 is like the Towering Inferno, or Posieon Adventure. Ensemble cast with disaster all around.

  • MonkeyKing1969

    So who is right, Mike or Movie Bob? Are they both right?

  • Cream-A-Thon

    I think this is their attempt at becoming part of the news cycle, nothing more. If my theory is correct we’ll see re:View episodes about Star Track & Ghostbusters the week of their debuts.

  • Dan

    Thanks guys, great episode!

    For a change of pace, instead of bitching about not liking super hero movie reviews, my top haha-moments:

    “Because that’s when the garbage starts – Mike”, loved the thorough analysis.

    “Well, it’s a world threatening issue, you want it to be as light and wacky as possible – Jay”, as dry and cynical as it gets.

    That Star Trek ending edit, Worf’s face, cut the end credits, hahaha…
    When Mike started talking about Star Trek, you get visually see Jay’s brain go to standby

    And “It’s a matter of opinion, but in this case we’re right” was a great discussion wrapper-upper.

    Impressive how long you’ve been at it and manage to keep it fresh and fun.

  • jim

    clearly you’ve never seen the bollywood ‘action jackson’, where the protagonist’s head randomly morphs into bruce willis.

  • OMNI

    That sounds cool.

  • YouTube comments are generally cancerous, but Jesus Christ, the ones for this video are starting to take the cake. They’re reaching prequel-fan levels of butthurt.

  • It’s watchable in a “I’m at my grandparents’ house and have no internet access, but this is the only entertaining thing on cable” kind of way.

  • You’ve seen it already. It’s called “Star Wars: A New Hope”.

  • Ren1

    Then I guess I don’t need to bother.
    😀

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    He probably doesn’t think much of people who don’t use capitalization or punctuation and start sarcastic comments with “rad,” either. I mean, if he’s anything like me.

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    Eureka Moment is the winnah!

  • snot house

    nice to meet you

  • fred

    David should use that spade to dig his fucking graaaaa–ve.

  • fred

    No you press X to reassure your son that you love him.

  • MR

    Ah yes, that thing where the hero is at their lowest point and then someone makes a throwaway comment which makes the hero have a sudden epiphany and proceed to solve the problem. Suits did that all the time. I had to stop watching that show because it happened in every goddamn episode.

    When I first watched this movie I laughed out loud at the “upload a virus” idea. I genuinely thought it was a joke.

  • junkevil

    isn’t moviebob the autistic guy who wrote an entire book detailing how he played smb3 while in his parents basement and went on to defend a pedophile because they were on the his side of the whole gamergate thing? fuck you for even comparing these two people. you fucking suck donkey balls and probably touch children innapropriately.

  • Jerome Gorden

    Awesome Jesus reference!

  • Jerome Gorden

    It happened in every episode of Star Trek as well.

  • Gallen Dugall

    They were Nazi metaphors. Starship Troopers reads like a love letter to fascism. The film itself is a damning satire of the book.

  • Maybe he was aiming for something similar with Showgirls…

  • Thanatos2k

    The Independence Day aliens aren’t the stupidest aliens in the universe. That honor goes to the aliens in Signs.

  • Andrew Murchison

    I came here to say the same thing.

    * Stumped by doors
    * Don’t carry weapons
    * Burned by water, yet come to a planet that’s so covered with the stuff that it falls from the sky

  • Jim Bean

    TV Tropes just calls it a Eureka Moment which is lame because it doesn’t reference the source the epiphany.

  • It’s about high-time I give WotW another full viewing. They are pretty different. Perhaps WotW should get credit for being more refined on a visceral and emotional level. Both movies are products of their time, pre and post 9/11, so it’s a choice between fun and dark. I could enjoy either approaches (much prefer The Dark Knight over Batman and Robin).

    For me though, I think in the case of these two simple alien invasion plots, even after considering how much better WotW might be as a grounded allegory, it comes down to how enetertianing the characters are to watch, and Cruise, although great, just can’t beat an untethered Smith and Goldblum who are two really unique sources of charisma, especially Goldblum. Independence Day will always be more rewatchable, and that’s what I need from a movie about aliens blowing shit up.

  • Joe

    It probably is more rewatchable, but the characters and the experience itself are much more real/visceral in WotW. I’m still reminded of the friend they try to rescue from the car repair place (gas station?).

    I do pretty much agree with all you are saying, but these days WotW is underrated or forgotten. So I do feel compelled to stand up for it.

  • Jonti Baylis

    “Occasionally we may talk about a movie that we hate” – Direct quote from the first episode of re:View..

  • Hilary Manfat

    I’m so glad that Independence Day has finally been its due. I remember laughing my tits off at the dog escape scene in the cinema, and the utterly unbelievable way of killing off an entire alien species with a virus. I’m not even a movie snob, as I love Con Air, Bad Boys, Armageddon to name a few. But Emmerich just seems to reach a new level of dumb in his movies, Godzilla being a perfect example.

    Off topic, I’d love to see a re:View of Krull at some point. Surely it was the Waterworld of the 80’s, considering the large budget and the end result.

  • Hilary Manfat

    *book spoilers* The computer virus in Independence Day was just a lazily redefined conclusion based on War of the World’s original ending, in which the alien species died out because of a human virus. In my humble opinion, this alternative take on the whole concept of the virus just shows how dumb and half arsed Independence Day was.

  • Hilary Manfat

    When people mention Always and Hook as examples of a bad Spielberg movie, I always re-direct them to War of the Worlds. At least the former movies mentioned had some entertaining moments, Wotw is just… horrible!

  • I remember enjoying ID as a child but I have a feeling that it wouldn’t stand up to re-watches now.

  • Jack Smith

    I thought this was a series about Movies they Liked. If they just going to review movies that hated. They can go back to Half in the Bag.

  • Robin Zimmerman

    I’m surprised the similarity in setup to the 1983 TV mini-series ‘V’ didn’t come up. i.e. Big ships over the planet’s major population centers, here for resources, etc… Even the ship design was flagrantly similar.

  • Curtis Mitchell

    You fucks have a whole website dedicated to shitty movies and you’re mad at Independence Day?

    And how could you spend like an hour shitting all over this movie and not even talk about the horrible American jingoism at the end?

  • SkaMP

    42 minutes! awesome 😀

  • torajima

    Speaking of which, when will that be rebooted?

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    Personally, I always thought the alien creature design was ripped off/homage from The War of the Worlds (the original book, not the various films), with the tentacles and general body shape. Didn’t really get a H.R. Giger feel from it, or at least, not a Xenomorph feel from it.

    Regardless, I didn’t care for film when it came out (I was like 10 or so at the time), and kept thinking it was ripping off too much stuff I liked. The helicopter-communication scene particularly reminded me of the end of Close Encounters, with the flashing light array.

  • Now I Get It

    That site is infinitely browsable.

  • nametaken

    ID stunk.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    I don’t recall any aggressive, pro-war foreign policy speeches at the end of the movie. Or do you, like most loudmouth left-wingers, not actually know what ‘jingoism’ means?

  • Frank Lovejoy

    Look, Signs was a terrible movie, but at the end they make it pretty clear it was a dream. Dreams don’t have to make sense.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    You just described every episode of “House”.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    37 is a bit of a high bar, but it’s objectively true that anyone born after 1990 is a pile of shit. Sorry.

  • Frank Lovejoy

    Right, because everything has always been political. It’s not the irritating left since the 60s that has made it so.

    I understand Invisible Man was about Global Warming. Or was it Global Cooling back then?

  • ikdks

    Jay, you predicted the plot to resurgence. They drink lava in the new one.

  • ikdks

    Oh shiz, you got another one too, but I can’t tell you cause its a spoiler.

  • J0099100

    I like how the sequel is 20 years later and they call the aliens just “the aliens”. Were they afraid they might confuse somebody if they gave them a name? We understand their technology enough that we can duplicate it, some people speak read and write their language, and, hell, some characters even have a telepathic connection to the “hive”, but we don’t know what they call themselves or even have our own name for them?

    These movies really do spoon-feed you. I like that “Area 51” is called Area 51 even by the insiders and higher-ups, and there’s a sign in front of the facility that says “Area 51”.

    The reference to Roswell was neat. I know what the Roswell incident was! aliens

  • ikdks

    I liked that. There’s no reason to keep it a secret anymore since the invasion, so area 51 is like any other government agency now. I thought that was clever.

  • J0099100

    It’s not called area 51 though.

  • Emery Calame

    Dimspiration n. : A dumb, obvious, or flaky peripheral comment, often musing, rhetorical, or nagging, from a minor or boob character that provokes a protagonist listener into finding some innovative lateral thinking “path” to a solution that drives the plot.

  • Dasjerm

    I’m sure they can take it. They are pretty self defecating, I mean self deprecating.

  • endeyequote

    and they did mention it with sarcasm that america is the only place that mattered in the movie. next time watch the whole video.

  • Mischief

    This comment is for Mike because I too am a huge TNG nerd/fan! The Borg cube does not randomly set self-destruct – it explodes from over-regenerating power.

  • whatever

    funny because i*ve always seen id4 as a modern adaption of the 53 war of the worlds movie… the atom bomb / shield thing, using a computer virus instead of a real virus….even the small fighter design is reminiscent to the 53 design

  • Jack Smith

    I have to ask. What is Mike and Jay definition of shlock. Is it just stuff that is poorly made. Or is it just anything that dosn’t feature some jewish boy crying because his mom and dad were just gassed to death by the Nazi’s. Or something else that majorly depressing. Because if that the case. Let me just pull the trigger the on this gun i just found.

  • David J

    My thoughts exactly.

  • Jerome Gorden

    Ya, I had the same thought. They regenerated at full power, causing a feeback of the energy. I think Shelby is the one who says this.

  • Robin Seaberg

    It is my belief that, despite all of its downfalls, the reason why the general herd of people love this movie is probably because it has the whole “The whole world has to band together to stop an oppressing outside force” thing going, which generates an emotional response in their brains that blocks out all of the very logical reasons why they should find it to be as absurd as you guys do.

  • Alexis Ruben Athanasio

    Isn´t the “you don´t want to catch the Cold” a reference to War of the Worlds where the aliens are defeated by the Common Cold? Maybe too smart of a reference for such a stupid movie.

  • Martian Monkey

    So, who do we thank for numbers integrated into the title? T2 or ID4?

  • Andrew Murchison

    This is literally the first time I’ve ever heard of it being a dream. In fact, if it was, that would honestly just make the whole thing even MORE stupid.

    A little googling I have found a few sites that try to take the “dream” tact, and… yeah, I maintain, that would just make the movie even stupider.

  • King

    I remember a newspaper doing a “War of the Worlds” thingy with daily articles about an alien invasion with pictures from the movie. My grandma was totally confused because of these f***ers.

  • Kevin Cooper

    To me, their definition of Schlock is something that is so simply Stupid, but so dumb that it it almost works.

  • Kevin Cooper

    As a military idiot, I recall when I saw this movie, that the “aliens” have the ability to totally annihilate our planet within seconds. What makes this movie nad, is that they could have, but instead they have to make a Hollywood movie out of it. Any other milatary objective is to cut off the head of the enemy and take over… but no, instead a guy in an RV helps deter the threat….

  • Citzen Seven

    The thing about the original ID4, it was essentially following the disaster movie formula from the 70’s: the whole “day in the life” of a large ensemble cast just before the cataclysm, then how they work together to overcome adversity. For that reason, it’s schlock I enjoy, though I wouldn’t go so far as to defend it in any way.

    And of course a militaristic alien conquest makes very little sense: just nuke the cities from orbit, that’s the only way to be sure. However, you can’t find too much fault with the movie based on the whole usual invasion thing. That’s a virtually necessary dramatic trope. A movie where everyone just dies instantly, or waits to die from an engineered plague would not become a staple of SciFi.

    Look at Battle Los Angeles: aliens land in the water, to storm the beaches a la Normandy, so they can take over coastal cities to start siphoning water. Um, what?

  • Frank Lovejoy

    I don’t know how they could have made it clearer than having the end be Mel Gibson wink at the camera as he leaves his bedroom.

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