Half in the Bag: Wonder Woman

June 4, 2017282 Comments

Mike and Jay discuss the latest DCEU film Wonder Woman, the most important movie about an Amazonian Princess with a magic lasso that’s ever been made.


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  • Soundguy Furstie

    Running front of house and this just dropped. Maybe they can hold the show for me

  • James

    Rich Evans gave me AAAIIIIDDDDDSSSS!!!!

  • I read that Star Trek and X-Men crossover when I was 15.
    It is hack schlock garbage of the highest order.

  • Yehonatan Liron

    I want to become a GAY for RICH EVANS WITH CREAMY GLASSES

  • Walter Scott

    The CGI Nightmare is the modern equivalent of Anime Speed Lines.

  • DC came up with a good move. They must be ice skating in hell right now.

  • Mike Magnum

    Wonder Woman might be one of the more well known Superheroines. But she not exactly the most interesting. I mean give me a Batgirl movie any day of the week.

  • Popo Bawa

    Shut your cake-hole!

  • Adez

    I liked Captain Underpants more :p

    I like the Wonder Woman movie, but that generic cgi climax with forced bland rushed villain, just made me quickly lose interest, the 2009 animated movie was better….

    So anyway that Sock Puppet scene of Captain Underpants was hysterical, reminds not just the books I read as a kid, but one of favorite comedies when I was younger Emperor New Groove

  • Woo

  • papa wolf

    I agree, its annoying when you can’t just enjoy the fact that there is a wonder woman movie coming out. It’s frustrating that everything has to become an issue to fight over. I Think the thing that people really doesn’t understand is that when you cannot find any form of media that you can identify with it is discouraging. “plinkett’ says in the Star Wars episode of seven review that kids don’t care about diversity. However I would have to disagree, I remember wishing as a kid that there could be more black characters in the Star Wars movies. I also remember not feeling satisfied when I was offered only one new black character (mace windu). If there were more divers people in tv,comic books, movies, books, ads, ect ect ect then it wouldn’t have to be something that people demand to be represented in.

  • Adez

    I think Mike confused which what he consider diversity, as long the narrative doesn’t focus on diversity as a plot point like say Fast and The Furious series or even Star Wars that wouldn’t modern racial politics of Earth, which race and gender are nonissues

    Pop culture going through some growing pains now with diversity, though I’m sure kids would care less like 2 decades from now, and take diversity for granted

  • Feels like the guys didn’t quite know how to deal with this one. It’s perfectly fine for a movie to mean something super-important to some folks, and just be merely a decent flick to others.

    I’m genuinely happy for those that got something extra from this that they’ve been missing. Third act and art direction criticisms aside, yeah, we all ‘won’ here. 🙂

    Certainly looking forward to the sequel to this more than I am… Justice League. *shiver*

  • The Sound of One Man Laughing

    Great review. Looking forward to seeing the movie.

  • The Sound of One Man Laughing

    I wouldn’t know what to do, if a modern, superhero movie had an ending that I liked.

  • Adez

    I like the ending of Batman Under The Red Hood

  • Jack Smith

    Frankly even with these positive reviews. Im not expecting much from this film. Im certainly not expecting an masterpiece like the critics are making out to be. Or anything as good as Logan. And so DC made a movie that wasn’t complete shit. That not much of achievement in my book.

  • Jack Smith

    Frankly i didn’t like the Animated Movie. It seem too preachy and i didn’t like how they turned Steve Trevor into the biggest womanizer in the world. At least in this movie. Steve Trevor seems like a normal guy.

  • Beltorchika

    Good Review. Dr. Poison is a character from the original comics run.

  • Jorrdanna

    I thought he made that up. lol. I honestly thought the idea was too stupid to actually be a thing. too funny

  • Jorrdanna

    I was afraid to go see this because after B v S I was really disappointed in their misuse of her character. That, and the fact that her performance left a lot to be desired. So now I think I’ll go and see a childhood hero on the big screen in a decent movie. This will be a first.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Dames, amirite, guys?
    **is immediately killed by 16-ton weight dropped on head**

  • Jaws

    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Dr. Poison is no Chemical Ali.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I thought Justice League was a betting pool on which Supreme Court Justice will die and/or retire next?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I’m waiting for Gadot.

  • Aaron James

    I think the guys are undervaluing the power of representation here. It may not be true that I think of Superman as a role model anymore, but those Christopher Reeve movies had a huge impact on my formative years, and I feel like I can still feel their influence on me today, even though my attempts to rewatch those movies in adulthood has revealed them to be campy tripe.

    To say that little girls won’t get anything out of there finally being a decent superhero movie starring a female is to minimise the impact these things can have on us, how we see ourselves, and what stories we believe we can be a part of. To grow into adulthood means understanding that you’ll never have superpowers. It doesn’t mean abandoning the emotional lessons you learned from the media you consume as a kid.

    And that doesn’t even take into account the wider impact the movie may have. It’s success could lead to a whole wave of female-centric movies, including non-superhero properties that speak to a more adult audience.

    All that said, I agree with the guys about the overall quality of the movie. It’s not quite as good as all the glowing praise suggests, but it’s good enough. If I were to judge it against the quality of the Marvel movies, I’d say it sits somewhere in the middle. And way, way above the previous DCEU movies.

  • Scott Zee

    ‘Gay Phermones’. Thats’ a proper term.

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    Horrified.

  • Joe Syxpac

    Chicks don’t like to be called dames.

  • Joe Syxpac

    Dr. Poison? More like Dr. Posin’.

  • Gerald Potterton

    So is the Pirates of the Caribbean 5 review coming next week or what?

  • Joe Syxpac

    I’m still waiting on Kong: Skull Island.

  • Joe Syxpac

    I’ve been wanting a big budget Wonder Woman movie since the 70s.

    The fact that it’s actually watchable is just icing on the gay cake.

  • MikeFromCanmore

    I dunno why. but. i feel that Jay And Mike should make a HITB for new Pirates movie BUT with another review for Captain underpants just for the hell of it. something tells me overall captain underpants movie. would be a more better movie then the new pirates movie.

  • Jones

    I’m just sad the main hero isn’t a powerful black woman! Do I detect racism? HELL YES I DO.

  • Jones

    Yeah. It could turn into great action female empowering movies like… let me think… classics from last century.
    Alien? Aliens? Bugs? Something like that.

    Of course, Ripley wasn’t a superhero but I’ll take her over WW anytime, especially if there’s xenomorphs involved.
    Vasquez was pretty badass also and she’s never been mistaken for a man. Much better than Gorman. I’ll take her too.

    Seriously, it’s just a movie.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Hear, hear! Not just a Pirates HITB; that franchise deserves full Plinkett treatment! How on Earth can you keep missing the downward spiral of stupid Disney has taken since Pirates 1??? Enough with the superhero reviews already, you hacks!

  • Jones

    Yeah, I was sad there weren’t more asian characters in SW. Nor native americans doing the rain dance. What about eskimos? So sad nobody ever cares about them, even though there was a planet made of ice or something?
    This world is so full of racism 🙁

  • Jones

    What about asian characters? Didn’t you as a kid wish there were more asian characters in SW?
    I mean, I don’t want to, but I’ll call a spade a spade if I have to.

  • Aaron James

    You appear to have gleaned the opposite point to the one I was trying to make.

  • Jones

    You mean Western kids. Our kids aren’t the only ones living on the planet.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Clearly too many gay pheromones to lay a finger on captain Jack Sparrow. These talentless hacks would rather keep their thumbs up their asses and review another superhero movie. And I’m not one to point fingers…

  • Jones

    Perhaps. I gave up on Ripley ever coming along. Like I realized I’d never be as badass as Rambo.

    Really, they’re just movies and I’ve become jaded.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    You said it Gerald! Mike, Jay, Rich: do we begin to see a trend here? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

  • Jones

    Nothing’s too stupid for this enlightened age.

  • Danger Dave

    I’m going to be fantasizing about milf island for a looong time. A long time.

  • Bleurgh

    Does it seem to anyone else like Jay and Rich were reading from different scripts in the last few minutes of the episode? I wouldn’t put a prank like this past Mike. I think his long-term goal is to get the two of them together in real life.

  • If my daughter ever says she is looking up to Margaret Thatcher or Hillary Clinton it means I have failed as a feminist parent. 🙂

  • Mr.Fister

    well would fit the whole gay agenda they are trying to force on us…and I do not want to be a conspiracy theorist but there is a connection between all the subliminal gay terminology like: seamen, sperm whales, a swallow.and the new Pirates movie…..

  • Mike ‘the cake-lacer’ Stoklasa may be the greatest DC comics villain ever. I can’t wait to see him going up against the Justice League and making Batman and Superman kiss.

    (Half in the Bag is canon in the current DC universe. Wheel of the Worst is a Marvel property, like Guardians of the Galaxy if they never went anywhere).

  • Pulp

    So in basic Doctor Maru is the female version of the German Jew Fritz Haber and a compatriot of Wonder Woman.

  • Andy James

    Judi Dench seems cool with it.

  • BCFC25

    Im not a homo but Mr Plinkett is right Jay really has cleaned himself from the little hobbit he looks like in the early HITB videos to a half decent looking hipster!

  • Andy James

    I find the idea that people can’t identify with characters who don’t directly reflect their race or gender to be absurd. Super hero stories in particular tend to serve two purposes, to fulfill power fantasies and to explore the nature of heroism. They are universal. You don’t need to be a rich white guy whose parents were killed to relate to Batman, and you don’t need to be a black half-vampire to relate to Blade. Little kids have enough imagination to envision themselves as anything, provided that thing inspires it.

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    So, as a kid, you watched the Original Star Wars Trilogy… and found shit to bitch about?! Good lord man, I didn’t even bitch about the Ewoks until I was at least old enough to drive.

    And you cared about the race of the characters? A universe filled with aliens, laser swords, and a giant samurai dude crushing windpipes with his fuckin’ mind, and you sat there whining about the amount of melanin on the screen?!

    Your parents failed you, utterly.

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    “Archie meets the Punisher” is real. So is “Archie vs. Predator”.

    Comics are always weirder than you think.

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    So, is WW worth blowing $12 to see, or should I just watch more reruns of “MacGyver*” instead?

    (*The original show, obviously)

  • RLMkeepitup

    good question. usually i just watch the RLM review and save $12

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    I try that, but usually they’re a month late.

  • It gets better. It is a sequel.

  • GBJoker

    Should I get nothing out of the stories I’ve watched because none of the stories I’ve encountered had a deaf or hearing impaired superhero, or even just regular Joe Blow hero? I’m not even aware of any deaf or hearing impaired superhero. (If any one knows, please let me know, I’m okay with correcting my ignorance.) And I don’t want to hear crap about general disabled characters. The overwhelming majority of them were MADE disabled. DareDevil ran into a barrel of radioactive goo, Barbara Gordon was shot, Darth Vader was sliced to pieces and burned. Were any BORN disabled? It’s my understanding Professor Xavier’s condition is hereditary or whatever, but I’ve never been big into Marvel/X-Men, so I don’t know exactly.

    My point being that one shouldn’t ignore the lessons of say, Luke Skywalker and Obi-Wan just because Mark Hamill and Alec Guinness were born with dicks and a little girl wasn’t. Hell, I’ve learned lots of good life lessons from Princess Leia, such as spit in the face of evil jackasses like Tarkin.

    I really get sick and tired of people wanting every demographic represented in random stories. If a person is going to refuse to acknowledge any life lessons or aids to the formative years just because the main character has different genitals or a different skin color than the person, then prepare to be always disappointed and considered a crying child by me and others for the rest of time.

    If one claims to be truly past the age of racism, sexism, etc., then it shouldn’t matter who the protah-gone-ist is.

  • Mugato

    Why are people pretending that this is the first action movie with a female lead and it’s some sort of PC thing? A dozen Resident Evil and Underworld movies, most of what Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron and ScarJo was in, that bow and arrow chick, it goes on.

  • Brian Levine

    It was just baby fat.

  • Brian Levine

    Glad it’s a good movie, and I look forward to seeing it when it hits the $2 theater. But the masses could care less. It still opened far behind Dawn of Just Ass.

  • Brian Levine

    No. Jay only had a bite of cake as compared to Fake-Plinkett who had been stuffing himself.

    Of course, Mike probably knew that Jay would be a pushover.

  • Just pretend the movies come out a month later than they really do.

  • Brian Levine

    To be fair, you meant to say powerful black transgender woman,

  • Brian Levine

    Or Docteur Poisson.

  • Brian Levine

    So do you not go to the movies but still eat $9 worth of popcorn?

  • Brian Levine

    Really? Go home. It’s on Netflix.

  • Brian Levine

    T2 Sarah Conner was as badass as it gets, even if she was one round short.

  • Brian Levine

    But can Joss Whedan save JL in post production?

  • Bubs

    I know they say that whatever time you’re currently living in is the best time to be alive because science and technology are always marching forward. But seriously, this has got to be the worst time – sociologically – to be alive. It seems like mankind gained access to the internet about 1,000 years before we were developmentally ready.

    This review inspired me to go finally watch Batman Vs. Superman. It was far from being the total disaster that I was lead to believe it would be. That being said, it was overly complicated, disgustingly self-indulgent, and the first half was a narrative mess. It felt like 2 movies spliced together by a first year film student with some “Tree of Life” dream sequences thrown in for good measure. Trim it down by about an hour and a half, throw in about 15 minutes of re-written scenes, and you would have a pretty damn good superhero movie.

    Wonder Woman looks like a piece of shit, I don’t care how good they say it was. As far as Wonder Woman being a good female role model, I’m not sure that a superheroine whose main weakness is bondage is exactly what we’re looking for. I’m constantly reminded of that Comic Con clip where Gal Gadot is talking about being a positive role model and Jesse Eisenberg rolls his eyes so hard he almost hurts himself.

  • Apparently to get a version of the movie where you can actually follow the characters’ motivations you have to watch the 3 hour version – and all I can say to that is “no thanks”. The theatrical cut was already too long – I sat through it but like by the time the titular “Batman v Superman” moment came I was ready for a nap.

  • EJ

    Sometimes I think I’ll go to the movies, but then I pop in a VHS tape of “Night Court” and I’m in for the evening.

  • Bubs

    Oh that’s actually the version I watched. I don’t know if it’s better than the theatrical version, but I will say that no one’s motivation was really clear except for maybe Batman’s. Everyone else was just following the script. I think that extra half hour in the 3-hour version is just more dream sequences and setups for future DC movies.

  • EJ

    They ought to review the porn “Pirates” series. The acting and writing are generally better than anything in the Disney series after the original Pirates of the Carribean.

  • EJ

    “she is not exactly the most interesting” is completely negated by your second paragraph.

  • adhdlama

    I mean I have personally no doubt that pop culture being so predominantly filled with men (as at least these types of heroes) has got to have a subconcious effect on kids growng up. I think it’s silly to disregard that with “what you got marie curie and margaret thatcher what you complaining about”

  • Joe333

    Poor Casting – The girl can’t speak or act and she is too skinny and not busty enough for the role
    Ugly cinematography – greyed out and drab
    Poor script with plot holes and a bad ending

    Not sure why they are saying it was good

  • EJ

    I know you guys are kind of kidding, but it’s ridiculous to just dismiss the idea that kids and adults look up to superheroes. That’s kind of the point of superheroes, from Gilgamesh to Beowulf to Superman to Wonder Woman.

  • RLMkeepitup

    i looked at movie wan’s avatar below when i read this, made it even better

  • RLMkeepitup

    it really cost about that much to get into the Cedar Lane Cinema

  • Bubs

    I don’t think that’s what they were really getting at. The hero archetype is of course ubiquitous in storytelling. However, that’s not really the same as being a good role model. A good role model is more like a cop, or a fire fighter, or a president (theoretically). I don’t think they were dismissing the hero archetype, I think they were just making the point that maybe little children shouldn’t be looking up to someone whose main job is stabbing Germans to death. It’s not really a great aspiration to have.

  • Mike Magnum

    I think this movie benefited from super low expectations.

  • Imesseduptheemail

    Any little girl that wants to be Hillary Clinton doesn’t know anything about Hillary Clinton. If she does, then she dreams of being an evil, corrupt politician. In that case, she’s not a little girl, but some kind of demon possessing your child. See an exorcist.

  • Cesar Guapo

    If you think pop culture is “predominantly filled with men”, you’re fooling yourself, or you haven’t watched TV or a movie in ages.

  • Cesar Guapo

    Yeah I know. I get so angry when I watch some Bollywood movie, and it stars a bunch of Indians! Or when I watched Crouching Tiger. No white men? Hello, racism!

    What an ironic time to be alive. We were segregated by force, then people fought and died so we could integrate. Now everyone wants to voluntarily segregate, and we’re told that a black kid can’t look up to a white guy (and vice versa).

    Michael Jordan inspired tons of white kids to play basketball. Pele inspired tons of white kids to play basketball. Babe Ruth inspired tons of white and black kids to play baseball. Neil Armstrong inspired men and women of all races, colors, and so forth to want to be astronauts.

    Not being able to be inspired by someone who doesn’t look exactly like you – that’s the epitome of being self-centered.

  • Cesar Guapo

    Because T2 Sarah Conner was tough but believable. When two big male security guards cornered her, she was down. If the Terminator hadn’t been there to save her she’d have been trussed up again.

    If they made T2 today, Scarlett Johannson would do a spin-kick and take down the six Navy Seals who were guarding her room, then turn to the Terminator, say “grrrrrl power”, and he’d explode.

  • Cesar Guapo

    I would argue that no little girl wants to be Hillary Clinton. There are just some women who tell their girls they should want to be like Hillary Clinton.

  • Jaws

    Not to mention the latest Star Wars movies.

  • Jaws

    Or maybe our expectations are so low right now, that anything that is not a total disaster is received gratefully, like a pain killer. Because me personally, the ”movies” being shat out by Hollywood right now are giving me a great deal of pain. F*ck the pain away, f*ck the pain away, f*ck the pai…

  • Jaws

    OMG there’ a woman, in this movie, being Wonder Woman, I’m getting Ghostbusters flashbacks, I must immediately rage on the internet because damm it my man hood is being questioned.

    Is that really happening, I’ve not seen it in my travels, thankfully. Get a life people. Seriously.

  • Aaron James

    This argument, as far as I can tell, boils down to “If we’re all so enlightened now, we should be totally okay with the status quo.” Which is a pretty silly argument. The status quo is that straight white men have been the overwhelming majority of movie protagonists for the…whole history of cinema. Is it that unreasonable that this should be changed up a bit?

    And my argument is not that it’s impossible for someone to identify with a character who doesn’t look like them. I’m sure there’s plenty of girls who think Luke Skywalker is awesome. But I also bet that when the other kids are playing Star Wars and one of those girls says “I wanna be Luke!”, she’ll get told that she can’t, because she’s a girl. She can only be Princess Leia.

    And this is a pervasive problem. Women still, to this day, get told they can’t do certain things because of their gender. And there’s biases everywhere – often unconscious ones – that say girls just aren’t as good at certain things as boys.

    Maybe the kinds of stories we tell about girls has an impact on this, and maybe it doesn’t. Maybe a million great movies with female protagonists won’t change a single mind about what girls can and can’t do and what roles they can play. But who does it hurt to try? Why argue against it? What is so important about maintaining straight, white males as the majority of movie protagonists?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Your man hood?
    **looks at profile picture**
    **head explodes from cognitive dissonance**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Those little girls are too busy wanting to be Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Appointed for LIFE muthafuckas!!!
    **drops mic**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I look up to Donald Trump, but that’s because Donald Trump is made up of 3 kids standing on top of each other wearing a trench coat.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I thought “Super Low Expectations” was a documentary on the 2016 election?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    When he stopped eating babies, he slimmed down.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    You aren’t alone. Look at the two hippie parents from Family Ties. Their milquetoast leftism created adorable conservative toad Alex Keaton. Luckily when I was young I spent most of my time crushing on Justine Bateman, the best Bateman.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Or Alan Keyes.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    You mean the Avengers.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    It’s actually a peninsula.

  • Joe Syxpac

    He has a great pair of manhood.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    For a shark, he has a great set of cans.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Or Brian Posehn.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Just look at all the idiots who still think The Electoral College functions properly.

  • Aaron James

    In exactly what ways is Hillary Clinton evil and corrupt that differ from…almost any other politician?

  • Cakefarts

    Worst Best of the Worst ever. I don’t know why I keep coming back.

  • Imesseduptheemail

    Did you not pay attention to wikileaks? Saudi arms deals and Russian uranium sales and Goldman Sachs bribes, oh my.

    That’s just scratching the surface too. Even if you think all politicians are that evil, that just means nobody should want to be ANY politician, not that she’s an acceptable role model.

  • GBJoker

    You wanna know why straight white males have been the dominant protagonists of cinema? Because Europeans/Americans were the first, and for a long time ONLY people to make movies. At the same time, movies were exploding right as nationalism took off. So making a white protagonist wasn’t enough. They had to be English, French, German, whatever country the movie was to be screened in. Which meant more movies being made as each country fought to throw up on the screen their own heros and role models.

    As my post should have made clear, I’m severely hearing impaired. I have been told to my face that I shouldn’t do lots of things. Even been told by bosses that I’ll never be promoted because of my disability. I’ve been told by people that they’ll never date me because of it. I’ve been told all manners of things that should I have been born a female,
    all hell would have broken loose. Never mind that now since I’ve come out of the closet, most in the deaf community have shunned me.

    My point was, at what point will we have pleased every one? And why do we need to? The simple fact of the matter is that there can only be one “main character” of any given story. Do we need to make a black Captain America live action movie, a female Captain America, a deaf one, a blind one, a Japanese, etc?

    Which brings me to my next point. As was talked about briefly by Mike and Jay in the video, how many women went to see Catwoman? Elektra? Hell, I saw Elektra. Apparently, no one else did. If it’s not going to break even financially, not by a long shot, why do it? People don’t do things because it costs them, whether in money, time, energy/effort, etc. They do things because there is a profit. We exercise because after 6 months of it, we can look in the mirror and feel damn good about ourselves, or impress whoever we want to get the attention of. We work because we want money to buy the things we like. And producers, actors, camera crews, etc., make movies because they earn income from it. Quite simply, women have been sending the signal to these people for decades now that it’s not worth it. They didn’t buy comic books, and they aren’t going to see the superhero movies. There’s been no profit, and I predict WW to be the exception that proves the rule. Think about it, what other female superhero is there going to be a movie about in the next decade? Supergirl? Not until the tv show ends, and even then… eh, it’ll be iffy for a while. Batgirl? Yeah right, for all the obvious reasons. Hmm… Powergirl? Yeah right. Maybe a movie focused on X-23, now that every one loves Dafne Keen? Yep, that’s about it.

    “Status quo” doesn’t mean anything in this instance. Look at the Forbes 500 list in 1955; only two of those companies are still on it. The people George Lucas fought in the ’70s are not the people in power today. If the “status quo” had been maintained as you seem to think I want it to, then I would have been killed a long time ago. I don’t care for maintaining anything. I just don’t have the pitchfork and torch ready to demand a deaf Jedi or Black Panther. Ironically, the people who demand more diversity tend to forget the disabled, and those few times they don’t, still treat the disabled like crap. I haven’t even seen Rogue One, but I’m guessing Forrest Whitaker loses his leg because it was shot off? Can any one confirm? If so, it’d just prove my point in my first post.

    If you want to try having female superhero movies, you can finance it. Who does it hurt though? The actors, for one. Halle Berry has been a joke since Catwoman, and Jennifer Garner does shampoo and credit card commercials. Great role models. The producers, directors, and script writers all lost credibility and money. Did any of them recover from it? Maybe, I don’t know, I’d have to look it up. Hell, even Ben Affleck was hurt indirectly by Elektra.

    For what it’s worth, I do hope WW is successful. I hope we can hammer it into DC’s heads that we all hate Zack Snyder. I’ve been a DC “fanboy” since Batman The Animated Series with Kevin Conroy, and I’d love to see a good Flash movie. I’d even take a Hawkgirl movie instead of Green Lantern. But a completely rewritten script so that Green Lantern is deaf, or that Professor X and Magneto are female, are not things that I’m going to spend 12 dollars on. And I’m willing to bet no one else will either.

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    It’s mostly a marketing thing, I think. That it blatantly ignores decades of Ripley, Buffy, Xena, and a few dozen-odd action flicks like you already mentioned, makes me think most of the people/critics peddling this whole “finally a strong female role model for girls” are just idiots who never watch action movies.

    The whole thing comes off as some lame studio-inspired attempt to create a controversy to gin up attention for a film that, at best, is merely okay and only looks good if you politely compare it to the other horrible recent DC films, and not to Logan/The Dark Knight/Winter Soldier, etc.

    It’s like a critic complaining about there being no black superhero leads in film, just because he’s never seen Blade (or MIB, for that matter).

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    It feels like the Ghostbusters thing; I keep seeing critics attacking men and throwing out strawman-attacks against men’s rights activists in their reviews of Wonder Woman, but the only complaints I’ve seen anyone make about the film so far is that it’s mostly retreading Captain America territory. The howling hordes of angry men seem to exist only in the minds of those writing the reviews.

    Much like with Ghostbusters, where easily 99% of the complaints directed at the film were about it not being funny, bad dialogue, and generally that the trailers looked terrible. Or the Fury Road reviews that all tried to gin up the same fake “MRA’s are angry about female blah blah blah” based on a single article on one blog no one ever heard of before.

    It seems to be the new viral marketing thing, creating a fake controversy to try and get more attention for a film, and generally isn’t based on anything real.

  • Spoiled Ants

    At least then kids have aspirations of visiting a tanning booth more often. The brats will look healthier and the economy is saved = America is finally great (again).

  • Spoiled Ants

    My favorite Dating App has the same name.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Once he got rid of the neckbeard it was a huge improvement and he stopped looking like Hans Klopek.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Is he going to be ‘AA Man’? They have to give him better powers though, him throwing sobriety coins works only on Iron Man.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Only if he manages four months of re-shoots.

  • Aaron James

    I’m sympathetic to that. The whole point of my argument is that more representation would be nice, whether it be for women, non-white people, the hearing impaired and people with other disabilities. But saying “I can’t have nice things so nobody can! (Well, except for the ones who already have nice things)” is just defeatist, and isn’t likely to get anywhere.

    I would absolutely watch a TV show or movie starring a deaf or hearing impaired character, if it was good. I’ve been meaning to watch Hush for a while, but I’m easily spooked by scary movies and have been putting it off.

    And I still don’t really understand why people fight so passionately against more diverse protagonists.

  • adhdlama

    hahaha

  • Aaron James

    I was paying attention, enough to know that none of those so-called “scandals” proved to be any sort of smoking gun that proved Hillary was anything other than a fairly typical Washington insider. Yes, some of them gave me misgivings about her – she was never the candidate I would have liked – but nothing she’d done was illegal, and much that was breathlessly reported turned out to be nothing very much at all.

    There is this pervasive and infuriating narrative out there that she was somehow the greater of two evils, and yet one thing that can be said with absolute certainty is that whatever sort of President she might have turned out to be, she wouldn’t have been anywhere near as catastrophic as Trump already has been.

  • Jaws

    *She

  • Brian Levine

    He’s just imitating me watching his performance.

  • Brian Levine

    Also a book by Charles Dicken’s kid brother Twibby.

  • Brian Levine

    As a kid, I understood that Marvel Superheroes were not people to look up to. They had the same problems I had, plus Supervillians.

    But I will forever look up to Forbushman.

  • Brian Levine

    Which appears to be 6-14 months, tops.

  • Brian Levine

    I think Mike senses that there is something wrong with Wonder Woman, but is probably hesitant of coming out with it because of the impending backlash he’d get.

    It’s like knocking that Will Smith movie Handcock. It’s total crap but the media was all enthralled by having a black superhero, you had to get permission before slamming it.

  • Brian Levine

    Trump can be an ass, but what has he done that is catastrophic? If the only thing he accomplishes is lowering the corporate tax rate to 15% our economy will be in much better shape.

  • Andy James

    I didn’t follow reviews closely, but I thought Hancock was widely panned.

  • fred

    What they seem to be saying is that the script is okay sometimes, and the fighting is shite.

  • fred

    The sets in Spectre are pretty fucking great. It makes me wanna play Half Life 2.

  • Brian Levine

    Eventually. But the first wave was this euphoria based idea that we finally had a superhero for black kids to look up to.

  • Andy James

    I just looked at Rotten Tomatoes, and the preview reviews and opening weekend reviews were pretty consistently bad. I’m not seeing this race-based grace period.

  • the_great_laertes

    Speaking for me personally, I don’t really understand the “drab” criticism. I found the movie to be very colorful, but in a more stark, chiaroscuro, high-contrast sort of way, as opposed to the Marvel-style of being bright and evenly-lit with lots of primary colors. Visually, I’m a much bigger fan of the former.

  • Mike Magnum

    I was o.k. with Hancock. Until Charlize Theron threw a fridge at Will Smith. Then it went downhill from there.

  • Andy James

    Yeah, the first half was pretty good, and then it completely fell apart.

  • GBJoker

    That’s not what I’m saying at all… I’m saying that it shouldn’t matter who is teaching you life lessons or “inspiring” you, what matters is the message.

    If a little girl is told by a group of people that she can’t be Luke Skywalker, then they aren’t worth hanging out with.

    I fight passionately against more diverse protagonists because the people clamoring for that are the same people who would rather blame the “straight white male” for their problems rather than figure out WHY the “straight white male” was successful in the first place, and then copy it.

    The fact is, when it comes to super hero movies, science fantasy, and even still science fiction movies, women/”advocates” don’t want to be successful in making female protagonists. They’d rather blame “straight white men.”

    But whatever. It appears my points are either lost or you’re deliberately ignoring them, so, eh, I don’t care anymore. Good day.

  • Brian Levine

    I’m wondering if they made this WWI just to differentiate it from Captain America. Hard to hate on non-Nazi Germans.

    And where her dang skirt? She’s supposed to be wearing a skirt!

  • EJ

    Red-pillers always need to play the victim. They’re constantly worried that the PC police might, uh, say something mean and they’ll have to go back to their safe space.

  • EJ

    She’s already, what, 145 or so? Who knows how long she can keep going.

  • Andy James

    On the one hand, I get the instinctive response, because PC is pretty annoying. On the other hand, is it that hard to double-check something you think is probably true before you assert it?

  • Urdus

    I always liked tragic heroes. The one that have to make sacrifices.
    Just having super powers is not enough.Thats why Thor for example doesn’t work for me.

  • Empty Disney Product

    If only they had a better script.

    But I think if anything, Spectre showed us why you should never use the same director back to back for a 007 film.

  • Empty Disney Product

    They had me until Theron.

  • Urdus

    I’m not so sure that this beeing man beeing woman is a subconscious implant only. Many women are much better with children and old people for example. You cannot “implant” that insane amount of patience and motherly attitute. Thats why I think women are as good as man but not in the same categories. I doubt that we will have equality if women are as muscular as men or fight as effective as men. Then they’re just immitating men. But aren’t equal.

  • fred

    Finally, a hero for the negro child.

  • Brian Levine

    Comic book Thor or lovable doofus movie Thor?

  • Brian Levine

    A half empty bottle of mouthwash, a Brillo pad, 2 cloth napkins, 6 penny nails and a small styrofoam block.

    Go!

  • Brian Levine

    Are we talking about Prometheus?

  • EJ

    Really? I assumed he was 20 ferrets in a person suit.

  • EJ

    I dunno, I was in college back in the 1990s when the original “PC” wave hit and at the time it seemed like a big problem. Looking back on it, and looking at what’s going on now, 90% of it was (and is) people saying, “don’t be an asshole” and then a random few people taking it too far.

  • Angela

    “The status quo is that straight white men have been the overwhelming majority of movie protagonists for the…whole history of cinema. Is it that unreasonable that this should be changed up a bit?”

    Eh. I watch a lot of old movies (30s/40s mostly) and tons and tons and tons of them are female-centric, with the stories about women and starring women with men only as secondary characters. Women of different eras and social positions had their stories told (particularly pre-Code for some types of stories). I can name as many female movie stars of that era as men–maybe more.

    Almost all were straight and white and non-disabled though.

  • Imesseduptheemail

    You have a remarkable tolerance for rampant and disgusting corruption. This isn’t an admirable trait. This is a poor sign for the nation if you and others think that kind of behavior should be acceptable.

    Oh, and that private email server of hers was incredibly illegal considering it handled classified material. Even the FBI itself admitted it was illegal, they just didn’t recommend charges. That in and of itself should worry you.

    Also, dear, I didn’t say a single thing about Trump. Don’t go dragging the presidential race into this just because you’re still upset about the outcome. We are talking about Clinton as a person, not as a candidate.

  • Urdus

    doofus 😉

  • Tommy Wiseau

    Tommy has better hair than Girl Gogurt! Tommy should have played Wonder Woman.
    It is time Hollywood took me seriously. I’ll show everybody. I’ll make my own superhero movie.

  • Angela

    I loved my Wonder Woman Underoos as a kid so I feel obligated to give this movie a chance. I’m hoping the reviews are accurate and that it’s not terrible. I trust you guys. Mostly.

    I haven’t seen Monster either, but I did like The Monster from last year.

  • Johnny Varvatos

    I thought it was better that Captain American: First Avenger frankly. Not as good as Winter Soldier though.

  • Aaron James

    Then you’re taking exception to the perceived tone of the people arguing for more diversity, rather than what they’re actually advocating. Suggesting that their whole point is to “blame straight white men” is to miss THEIR point entirely, or deliberately ignore it.

  • EJ

    Shark or Bond villain henchman?

  • GBJoker

    Yeah, you’ve either missed my point or are actively dismissing it.

    I’ve countered all your arguments, presented a variety of questions you couldn’t/didn’t answer, and you’ve consistently put words in my mouth. Bug off.

  • Papa Figo

    Watch Shaft. Both the one from the 70’s and the Samuel L. Jackson one. They are about black badass dudes a kid would look up to. Hancock was a weird romantic drama with superheroes, it did not reach any kind of audience. Will Smith’s character in Wild West worked way better as a hero.

  • andychrist

    hes right you know …… a very good film completely ruined by the no longer groundbreaking , totally usual and dare i say …. boring ……special effects nightmare at the end.
    and whens jays baby due?

  • ikdks

    Who gave TS Elliot a disqus login?

  • ikdks

    They turned up the color pallet as the movie progressed. After the battlefield scene, the colors got more vibrant. Color = hope.

    It also could have been a little meta joke, we’re slowly dragging it away from that Syder crap.

  • Aaron James

    I apologise if you got the impression I was trying to put words in your mouth. I was attempting to clarify your points in my own words. If I mischaracterised them, I’m sorry.

    As to your questions that I ignored, I assumed that most of them were rhetorical, there to make a point, not seeking a specific answer. But I’ll attempt to answer the ones I could see now.

    “Were any [superheroes] BORN disabled?”

    I don’t know. My knowledge of superheroes really only extends to the movies. I’m not a comic reader.

    “At what point will we have pleased everyone?”

    Never. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. None of us will ever be flawless human beings either, but that doesn’t mean we should completely give up on self-improvement.

    “And why do we need to?”

    We don’t NEED to, obviously. But the idealistic approach is to TRY to treat everyone who makes up our society as if they were valid and valuable members of our society. And part of that is to attempt to make them the heroes of some of our stories.

    “Do we need to make a black Captain America live action movie, a female Captain America, a deaf one, a blind one, a Japanese, etc?”

    Again, this is something where my knowledge of the comics is limited. But from what I understand, the various superhero mantles have been passed from person to person at various times. If this is already established practice within the comics continuity, why NOT have someone who isn’t straight, white, able-bodied and male get a turn?
    As to whether we NEED that to happen, no. But in the interests of inclusiveness, it would be nice.

    “How many women went to see Catwoman? Elektra?”

    Probably not many. But by all accounts (I haven’t seen either movie) those were terrible movies.

    “If it’s not going to break even financially, not by a long shot, why do it?”

    Well, one thing that Hollywood does a lot is misunderstand why a film succeeded or failed. Mike and Jay touched on this after Deadpool, where they predicted that Hollywood would learn the wrong lesson from it and start churning out shitty Deadpool clones that turned the violence up to 11. (Although it now looks like they may have learned the right lesson, given that the next R-rated superhero movie was Logan).

    Similarly, Catwoman and Elektra flopped because they were bad movies, not because they had female protagonists. But I understand why Hollywood would to reticent to try again after that.

    “What other female superhero is there going to be a movie about in the next decade? Supergirl?”

    Sure, why not? DC’s TV properties are a separate thing to their movie properties. Gotham is airing at the same time that they’re making Batman movies.

    “Batgirl?”

    Joss Whedon just recently signed on to direct a Batgirl movie, so yes.

    “Powergirl?”

    Not sure who that is, but if Wonder Woman, Batgirl and a hypothetical Supergirl movie are all successful, I don’t see why they wouldn’t.

    “I haven’t even seen Rogue One, but I’m guessing Forrest Whitaker loses his leg because it was shot off? Can any one confirm?”

    I can’t say with absolutely certainty, but it seems pretty clear in the movie that his prosthetics are the result of injuries he sustained fighting against the Empire.

    “Did any of them [the people involved in previous female superhero movies] recover from it?”

    I would say that the worst affected was Halle Berry, whose career didn’t really recover. But this is not unique to female superhero movies. Plenty of stars, male and female, have had their careers scuttled by one terrible movie.

    As for the other people, I’m sure a lot of the people behind the scenes are doing fine, and others aren’t. Hollywood is a fickle place. And Jennifer Garner’s career is pretty typical of an actress her age.

    “If I, and the rest of the deaf community, apparently don’t need/get one, why do women/girls?”

    Both groups should get representations in film and TV, and saying that one shouldn’t because the other hasn’t yet doesn’t get anyone anywhere.

    Now, correct me if I get this wrong, because I don’t want to be putting words in your mouth again, but I think your point is “People can draw inspiration from anyone, regardless of whether they actually have much in common with them. And anyone who says otherwise is an immature child who doesn’t understand that you can’t always get what you want.”

    To the first part, I agree. I’m not arguing against that. Part of the reason why I argue that more representation isn’t a bad thing is because I, a straight, white, able-bodied male CAN identify with protagonists who aren’t like me. So there’s a strong element of “Why not?” in my position.
    But the issue is more than just people’s ability to identify with a protagonist. There’s also a messaging aspect: if someone grows up consuming media in which, for instance, black people only ever appear as criminals or in servile positions, it’s going to affect their worldview. If they’re black, it will flavour how they see themselves. And if they’re not, it will inform how they perceive black people.

    To the second part, there’s a big difference between knowing that you can’t always get what you want, and arguing in favour of something entirely reasonable. If someone is arguing that straight, white, able-bodied men should never be protagonists again, then that would be unreasonable and childish, sure. But saying “Hey, why can’t some other people get a turn at this protagonist thing” seems entirely reasonable to me.

    Again, if I’m turning your arguments into strawman arguments here, I’m sorry. If you’d care to clarify anything I got wrong, I’ll be happy to respond to that.

  • Mike Magnum

    Maybe no little girl should look up to Hillary Clintion. But no little boy should look up to Donald Trump either. Because know i didn’t want to be a delusional narcissistic womanizing asshole. No i wanted fly in the sky and help little girls with there lost kittens. Yeah i say Superman the Movie.

  • Thanatos

    I agree with Mike, the movie was pretty good up through the trenches, then spiraled into the gutter. The story especially becomes nonsensical.

    – Why does General Greivous think a demonstration of his deadly gas by gassing their own people is going to convince the Kaiser to continue the war? They clearly show him as some evil outlier and the rest of the Germans are sensible and want to stop fighting.

    – Why does Doctor Poison (They really wanted to call her Dr. Doom didn’t they, she has a mask and everything) become utterly pointless and do nothing after the ball scene when she was supposed to be one of the main villains?

    – Why does Steve Rodge-SORRY I MEAN STEVE TREVOR have to suicide himself to take out the plane? What, you can’t just ground the plane because it’s on a timer? Great! You’re just one hilltop away from GERMAN HIGH COMMAND. Ground it and run away. Having the plane explode there and spew toxic gas wiping out the entirety of the German elite ought to instantly end the war.

    – Oh, so you don’t want mass murder with the plane? That’s fine too. Just fly the plane into the ocean and parachute out. I mean, just before this they show a map with London circled in red showing the plane is heading for London, and you’re in Germany, so the “timer” on the plane has to be quite a long time if the plane’s going to make it all the way to London. There’s a whole lot of ocean on the way for you to direct the plane at.

    – Why is Ares even in the movie at all? So you could have explosions at the end? I thought they were quite clever with the whole “killing one guy isn’t going to end a war” message they had going right then, but then he appears and instantly starts twirling his mustache and laughing evilly. What a waste. If there had been no Ares and she just has to accept the war is happening with no godly intervention the movie would have been so much better.

    – Why does the movie instantly contradict its own message when Ares dies(or does he?) and the German soldiers instantly throw down their arms, pull off their masks, and start hugging each other? Didn’t you JUST tell us Ares wasn’t controlling people? Make up your fucking mind, movie.

    – When Steve Rodge-STEVE TREVOR (he’sfromAmericabutnotacaptainoranythingwearen’tcopyinganyothermovieshutup) runs out onto the beach during the battle in the beginning, why isn’t he instantly murdered by the Amazons? They have no idea who he is, have seen no indication he’s on their side, and they’re just murdering every man in sight holding a gun.

    – Captain America comments in the beginning how the Amazons are speaking English and Wonder Woman says they speak many languages. Cool. That explains that. What explains why the Germans are speaking English to each other? And they use subtitles for all other foreign languages so that’s not an excuse.

  • Thanatos

    If you can’t identify with ‘any form of media’ from the last twenty years, the problem lies with you, not the media.

  • Jaws

    Shark.

  • Jaws

    People are confused because they are told that the word ”corny” means bad. But in reality it’s just a marketing gimmick to hide behind a poorly made movie. Fact is, the best parts of any of these comic book movies is the corn. How ironic.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    When T.S. Eliot misspelled his own name?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Theron is better at throwing doors at Tom Hardy.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    He hasn’t done anything catastrophic. That would require more competence and less hubris. Then again, he’s president and the GOP owns Congress and they still can’t seem to pass laws. And in real terms, the Obamacare repeal law passed by the House, in real terms, signifies NOTHING.

    Good luck with Trump trying to change Senate rules. The Senate moves so slow it gets passed on the highway by melting glaciers and Ents.

    Then again, even as a joke disqus account, I still know way more about how government works than Trump.

    I’m sick of all this negative covfefe
    **falls asleep on the toilet mid-Tweet**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Anybody know what kind of black magic is required to re-animate the corpse of Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    When are you going to get that many ferrets to stand still for that long?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    When Marie Curie was exposed to radiation, what superpowers did she get?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Sounds like a craft-a-long with Mr. Plinkett.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Perhaps Mike got them at American Science & Surplus?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    She does have a nice set of gams and she shows a lot of moxie and pep in those James Bond movies. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to take a tomatah to a speakeasy.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Western kids? The ones wearing the cowboy hats?

  • Cesar Guapo

    And, thankfully, holding a number in death’s waiting room.

  • Cesar Guapo

    Feminists: Wonder Woman isn’t feminist enough.
    Progressives: Its appalling that Gail Gadot was in the IDF.
    SJWs: It’s problematic that Wonder Woman is white.
    Men: Wonder Woman is awesome!
    Media: MEN ARE OUTRAGED BY WONDER WOMAN

  • Cesar Guapo

    What, exactly, is wrong with Margaret Thatcher? She was the first female Prime Minister, brought her country out of a hellhole of union strikes and stagancy and into a vibrant economy, and refused to beclown herself or her office …

    Oh. She was conservative. Well, then, there’s no way she can be a role model, right?

  • Cesar Guapo

    Celebrate diversity!

    OR ELSE.

  • bernverdnardo

    This movie reminded me of the Elf movie with Will Farrell. You have to be in the mood to see something completely nuts, but it is amusing.

  • Franco AmoralegrĂ­a

    Oh hai Tommy.

  • Franco AmoralegrĂ­a

    The fridge or the movie?

  • Franco AmoralegrĂ­a

    She would have been worse, and you would have heard less about it. That’s the only real difference; they’re both shit-shows, really, and it’s pathetic that grown men and women are willing to stand up for either of them.

  • Franco AmoralegrĂ­a

    Well:
    – Destabilizing Syria, leading to the world’s biggest ‘refugee’ crisis
    – Destabilizing Libya and laughing while terrorists dragged Gaddhafi’s body through the streets
    – Standing down and getting our men killed in Benghazi, then lying about it over their corpses
    – Selling uranium to Russia for private gain (the only real Russia scandal)
    – Setting up an illegal private server, mainly to shield herself from discovery, and leaking that information to foreign governments when they hacked her bathroom server, then destroying evidence when it was subpoenaed
    – Setting herself up for manipulation by associating with Huma Abedin, who has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and whose sex-crazy husband kept sending dick-pics to underage girls.
    – Obviously suffering from dementia but being protected by a toadying media (inventing sniper fire events, collapsing in public, etc)
    – Participating in the Clinton Foundation, a scam from top to bottom
    – Starting the ‘birther’ conspiracy (look it up!)

    This is just the stuff we _know_. Then there are the rumors.

    I mean, I’m no fan of Trump. I’d prefer someone both competent and actually conservative. But if you think there’s nothing wrong with Hillary, you’re deluding yourself.

  • Franco AmoralegrĂ­a

    Also, guy, the director of the FBI – a guy your party alternately loves and hates based on how much he’s helping the Democrats – stood in front of the nation and said she was guilty of a crime but he wasn’t going to prosecute. It requires a crazy amount of self-deception to pretend “nothing she’d done was illegal”. Petraeus and others went to jail for less than Hillary Clinton has done.

  • Franco AmoralegrĂ­a

    If you knew anything about government, you would know American government was set up specifically to be slow, not to respond to every whim of the people or their elected messiahs.

    Oh, sorry, let me speak your language and do a lame, dated joke: aren’t Snuggies and Slankets the same thing? And what about airline peanuts? Don’t get me started!

  • Aaron James

    Clinton mishandled classified information by ignoring a directive – not a law, a directive. What that means is that is was a guideline that White House staff were supposed to follow, and the worst consequences someone would face for disobeying those guidelines is that they would be fired. Of course, Clinton had already resigned by the time this information was uncovered.

    Nobody, ever, has been convicted of mishandling classified information without their being proof of intent to reveal that information to someone not cleared to see it.

    This is exactly what Petraeus did: he knowingly allowed his mistress to see classified documents, so there WAS proof of intent in his case. He also didn’t go to jail. He pled guilty to a misdemeanor offense, paid a fine, and got two years probation.

    Comey (who Democrats are still pretty damn angry at, even if they do think his firing was pretty ominous) is quoted as saying that Clinton would have to be “below the law” in order to proceed with prosecution. ie: if she were prosecuted, she would be the only person in American history to have been prosecuted for such a minor offense.

  • papa wolf

    Sure, you’re situation dose not absolutely have to be the same to identify with a character. However, it is cool to see characters that may reflect your background. people Don’t connect with the specifics situation of the character however connections can can be made with the theme or idea of the character. No one is a billionaire playboy who fights crime at night but people can relate to Batman because they can relate to suffering a loss in life or one may relate to his Battle between Justice or vengeance and the fine line we Walk between the two. The thing is ethnicity, Gender, Race are also ideals that need to be explored.

  • papa wolf

    At the time no I didn’t care about seeing specific race on the screen, I cared about seeing me on the screen. it just so happens that I’m not Asian.

  • Bleurgh

    Started a pointless war, killed thousands, destroyed Britains manufacturing industry, created mass unemployment, created a social housing crisis still going on today, privatised public services making them more expensive and shittier for decades. Oh yeah, what a fucking hero to idolise.

  • Jaws

    I thought Monster was pretty good. And I’m pretty hard to please.

  • Mike Magnum

    Maybe no little girl should look up to Hillary Clintion. But no little boy should look up to Donald Trump. Who is going sit down there little boy down and say “Make your papa proud, Be a delusional narcissistic womanizing asshole.”

  • Jaws

    Or maybe you just want that to be the case.

  • Jaws

    You’re a man aren’t you, a proud man. Good for you.

  • Andy James

    People should make whatever movies they want to make. Exploring race and gender are no more needed to my mind than anything else, but they can certainly be done well, as demonstrated by Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. My only gripe is people heaping false praise on something because it finally gives whatever underrepresented group someone to look up to. Whatever the merits of the Wonder Woman movie are, that isn’t among them. I’ve established I think the theory is garbage, but even if it were entirely accurate, there has been no shortage of Wonder Woman-esque characters for little girls to admire.

  • Imesseduptheemail

    It’s kinda sad that you think anyone who dislikes Hillary is somehow magically talking about Donald Trump. Stop projecting, please.

  • Imesseduptheemail

    Realization is not the issue. Hand waving it away as normal is. If you want to get upset about and protest something, it should be that. Instead I’m seeing you dismiss it utterly as a point of concern, which reeks of apathy, at least towards the corruption of people you like. And as far as I’m concerned, apathy is a kind of intellectual death.

    You dug up an article from a biased news source. Why don’t you go read the FBI’s actual statement on the case instead?

    Overwhelmingly hostile? Really? A highly successful upper class lawyer and first lady from a rich family isn’t someone who had to fight against hard odds to get where she is. On top of that, her ‘success’ on her own has been fueled largely by corrupt political dealings. Certainly nothing to admire, unless you have zero sense of morality whatsoever.

  • Ronnie Tyler

    …. wut? As a Labour fan, I’d expect you’d think twice about Tony B. Liar’s “pointless war that killed hundreds of thousands” before pointing fingers.

  • Vector

    I hope, for your sake, that you’re not Harry’s sister. LOL

  • EJ

    He/they have a notoriously short attention span.

  • EJ

    It’s pretty much the first non-terrible super-hero movie with a female lead. I use the qualifier “non-terrible” to exclude the likes of Catwoman, Elektra, and Supergirl.

  • EJ

    I miss discount theaters. When I was in college we had a theater that would show 6 month old movies for like two bucks. They also let you smoke in the theater which even back in the 1990s was a weird throwback.

  • ikdks

    Ok, but did you get the reference?

  • ikdks

    I wonder if they acknowledged Brian Azzarello in the credits because they used the twist that the claybaby story was a cover for the fact that WW’s mom got knocked up by Zeus. He introduced that idea in the New 52 reboot.

    If you haven’t read that series i highly recommend it.

  • ikdks

    Trevor was a spy stationed in Germany, so he spoke German, Wonder Woman spoke German and obviously the Germans spoke German, so in fact they were all speaking German, they just shot it in English rather than having endless subtitles.

    I think the twist was supposed to be that there was no Aries, that people were good or bad based on their own nature. That people have free will, and that Trevor was supposed to show WW that some people choose to be good, and that that makes it all worth while.

    But the studio needed it to end in an orgy of special effects, so they butchered the ending. Hence the sudden drop in quality.

  • Aaron James

    The FBI’s statement is pretty much exactly as critical of the mishandling of the emails as it should be. However, the harshest language it uses is to say that Clinton and her team were “extremely careless”. The word “illegal” does not appear anywhere in the statement. And their recommendation is that prosecution should not be pursued, explaining that they’ve found no precedent for prosecution when looking at other similar cases from the past. As I said in another comment, if Clinton had been prosecuted, she would have been the only person in American history to have been prosecuted for careless mishandling of classified information.

    The issue I (and many others) take with the whole email “scandal” isn’t that I think Clinton is somehow completely blameless here, it’s that it has been inflated all out of proportion.

    However, I get the sense that I’m having this discussion with someone who is utterly convinced that the handful of questionable decisions and associations Clinton has (decisions and associations that are not particularly unusual for someone who has worked in Washington as long as she has) somehow add up to her being utterly corrupt and “evil”. I don’t see much point in continuing this discussion. And we’ve wandered WAY off topic here, too.

  • I think we still have those over here – there’s only two malls within reach of me and I think one or both of them have a dollar theater. That being said I haven’t actually gone to the movies in almost a decade so things may have changed.

  • EJ

    Ugh. The Female had insufficiently large breasts. I was not aroused.

  • EJ

    She became the token female scientist for about a hundred years. That’s a superpower, I think.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Th best part of the moonshine is the corn.
    **chugs moonshine, goes blind**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I think I did, but it went out with a whimper, not a bang.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Elvis?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Have you seen those IDF uniforms? Meow! I’ll be in my bunk.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    William Shatner: You know, before I answer any more questions
    there’s something I wanted to say. Having received all your letters
    over the years, and I’ve spoken to many of you, and some of you have
    traveled… y’know… hundreds of miles to be here, I’d just like to
    say… GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it’s
    just a TV show! I mean, look at you, look at the way you’re dressed!
    You’ve turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few
    years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I want to be Rutherford B. Hayes.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I can’t wait for the new Trump-brand Personal Suicide Booth. I feel like using one whenever that eldritch abomination opens his low-class pie-hole.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Won’t you be late for the Prayer Breakfast, Senator?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    The masses are asses.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    One of Jack Donaghy’s greatest programming successes!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Short Round was too busy helping Indie.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I believe iPods are mocking me. Then again, I usually accuse chestnuts of being lazy.

  • andychrist

    He’s not a woman being put forward as a role model, unless you think tony Blair is really antonia Blair.

  • Bleurgh

    I’m not a Labour fan. Blair is a fuckwit. Take off your partisan goggles,

  • Ronnie Tyler

    You just happened to pick a person who agitated for Labour her whole life?

    And what ‘pointless war that killed thousands’ are you even talking about? The Falklands war barely killed 1000, and territoriality is not ‘pointless’.

  • Ronnie Tyler

    Does it seem to anyone else that they’re just doing these because they feel they have to? They don’t seem to do smaller movies anymore, or do HiTB frequently enough to cover more than “recent controversy” or “tentpole superhero” movies.

    It’s just not the same 🙁 And I don’t like things that are different.

  • Bleurgh

    Don’t you have a blog somewhere you could be boring people to death with your dumb opinions on?

  • andychrist

    er ….. re the housing thingy …. who sold off the social housing at the same time as forbidding councils from using the money to build more to replace those being sold?

  • Duckler

    So it’s a superhero/scifi movie as good or possibly better than Thor or Thor 2? That is a pretty low bar. Chris Pine is the new Natalie Portman.

  • Laura

    Wonderful. More checklist fanboy bullshit. When will people stop giving their money to this shit?

  • Brian Levine

    So maybe they can get Portman to play Janice Lester in the next Trek movie?

  • Aaron James

    I wrote a lengthy reply to those that was flagged as spam and removed – probably because it was too lengthy. I attempted to answer the questions you’d asked and to respond to what I hoped was a fair summation of your point, and to apologise if I misinterpreted your arguments and put words in your mouth. It’s been more than a day now and the comment has yet to reappear.

    Assuming the comment won’t get unflagged and reappear, I just want to reiterate the apology. I was making a good faith attempt to respond to what I thought were your points. It wasn’t my intention to put words in your mouth. And I ignored many of your questions because I wanted to focus on the core argument, rather than focusing on specifics. Sorry.

  • Ronnie Tyler

    From Wikipedia:

    “The Labour Party initially proposed the idea of the right of tenants to own the house they live in, in its manifesto for the 1959 General Election which it subsequently lost.[2] Later, the Conservative-controlled Greater London Council of the late 1960s was persuaded by Horace Cutler, its Chairman of Housing, to create a general sales scheme. Cutler disagreed with the concept of local authorities as providers of housing and supported a free market approach. GLC housing sales were not allowed during the Labour administration of the mid-1970s but picked up again once Cutler became Leader in 1977. They proved extremely popular, and Cutler was close to Margaret Thatcher (a London MP) who made the right to buy council housing a Conservative Party policy nationally.”

    So, a Labour policy that the Conservative party picked up, and which was incredibly popular, that was instituted 37 years ago … that’s the root of all evil in the world, in your mind?

  • Ronnie Tyler

    No 🙁

  • FoucaultAnderson

    fanboys complaining about people celebrating a female superhero lmao

  • Jack Smith

    I got nothing against celebrating a female superhero. But could we celebrate an actually interesting female superhero. Like Batgirl, Supergirl, Black Widow, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Cat-Woman,Spider-Woman etc, etc, etc. The only time anyone managed to make Wonder Woman interesting was George PĂ©rez in the mid 80’s.

  • Mike Magnum

    I say watch MacGyver. You can at least learn something practical.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Zack Snyder probably couldn’t watch the last half without wearing shades.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Why are black kids supposed to look up to a homeless guy?
    (btw I only watched the first 15 minutes of Hancock).

  • ikdks

    Azzarello’s new 52 run was awesome.

  • thismachinekillsfascists

    Who wrote some comics. Full circle.

  • Angela

    Harriet probably had some Underoos too. Hope she shows up for the wedding!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Ms Marvel? You mean Captain Marvel?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Dame with gams has moxie. News at 11!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I’d like to see Chris Pine in Black Swan 2.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    There were plenty of tentpole superheroes running around in DB Cooper vs Bigfoot.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    He was too busy writing Suckerpunch 2.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Selma Blair was in the Hellboy movies.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I hope they have a fainting couch in their safe space. They sound a lot like the stereotypical image of a Victorian lady. MRAs seem like a bunch of shrinking violets.

  • andychrist

    key word is “proposed” didnt do it did they ?….. anyway nothing wrong with right to buy – how are you going to blame preventing councils from spending the money raised on replacement housing stock on labour? come on , you must be able to do that surley , your precious maggie coudnt possibly have done that . its on the same wiki page .go on , copy and paste that bit .

  • Shazam?

  • When everybody dies.

  • Ronnie Tyler

    Any excuse, huh? And how many times has “your precious” Labour been in power since Thatcher left office? If it was such a big deal, why didn’t they take their copious opportunities to change the law? Oh that’s right, because neither they nor you really think this is an issue, it’s just a fake reason you’re giving for not recognizing a true leader.

  • Summer

    Me personally, I loved this movie.

  • I love you guys, and have watched you from the beginning. I’ve taken all your macho, borderline homophobic jokes in stride. I’ve overlooked your unconscious “othering” of minorities. I respect what you’ve built, guys. But listen, if you don’t understand that women and girls having female protagonists is a good thing, then you’re not as smart as I thought you were. You choose to enter into this discussion on this video, so you are now part of it. You are not above it. And when you say that girls should look up to the director, not the character, you’re telling women how they should feel about the world around them. That’s male oppression. What the F should it matter to you if girls want to celebrate a female hero? If you want to understand (and not just criticize) why a female hero might be important to girls, picture yourself as a member of a class of people who have been subjugated for, oh, all of human history, in nearly every society. Picture yourself marginalized, talked down to, silenced, and exploited for thousands of years, and for most of your life listened to jerk-off dudes telling you how you should feel, dress, talk and act, what you should expect from life, and who your heroes should be. Guys, it’s none of your business who women’s heroes are. But if you are going to venture an opinion on the subject–as you have–first, ask yourself, who were your heroes as a child. Mine? Mine were Luke Skywalker, Superman, Spiderman, Rocky Balboa, Optimus Prime, Han Solo, Space Ghost, (the list goes on) . . . Now, why don’t you make a list. Make a list, and then ask yourself, what do all these people have in common. Chances are that 90% of them will be men, and will be white, and will be straight. That’s not bad. That’s just what we had, and we were able to identify with those people. And that’s a good thing. Now, shift your perspective, if you can. And ask yourself, how would it feel to be a girl of the same age to look at her list? She would either see the same ratio as you see, or maybe add a bunch of pink ponies, Pippy Long-stockings, and She-Ra. But the ratio of men to women is going to be about the same. They are 50% of the population? What kind of message does that send to you as a child? That women heroes are few and far between, that’s what. What about a gay kid? What about a black kid? If you’re going to get into these conversations, you need to do some soul searching, Fellas. The fact that you don’t have to do soul searching, that most people watching will hear what you say and think, “this is normal,” and “yeah, what’s the big deal about a woman hero,” is because you are members of the dominating class. It doesn’t make you bad, it just makes you lazy. What makes you arrogant is that you are attempting to downplay what a group of people find important, and that’s insulting, and manipulative. You are telling people that what matters to them is not worth caring about, or talking about, or celebrating, because it “gets in the way of my enjoyment of a movie.” What matters to them is a sense of self, a sense of importance and empowerment. How is that unimportant? (Yes, even if it’s a fictional character. Fictional characters are vital to our culture. Why the F would you even care about movies at all if you didn’t understand that?) If women celebrating women is so threatening to you, that you feel it necessary to downplay it so much, maybe ask yourself why that is. Because that’s the key to the whole thing. It is a very big deal to have a kick ass woman superhero. It’s politicized? Of course it is! Because everything is political. Politics touches every single part of your life, and if you don’t realize that it’s because a) you’re not looking or not smart enough, or b) because it doesn’t effect you. So to say things are “too politicized” is to say, “I don’t like that people are talking about this thing because it makes me think about things I don’t like.” Well boohoo, Gentlemen. That’s what living in a society is. And to be able to shut your ears to it because it doesn’t effect you, that’s the definition of privilege. Being able to deride it and cast it down, as you have, is the definition of privilege and power. And that’s why we need Wonder Woman, to whip the shit out of ignorance like this.

  • Mark Bisone

    The problem with this whole “confirmed for gay” gag is that, just like Barry Manilow and Liberace, Jay Bauman simply isn’t talented enough to be a gay.

  • EJ

    I want to be Franklin Pierce. Inconsequential, handsome, and drunk.

  • EJ

    In a way he’s kind of a fun throwback to the late 19th century when the President was just some random shithead that nobody cared much about. Hopefully we’ll start taking our government less seriously.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    The worst part about the Gay Agenda (TM) is the auditions.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Kazaam?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    With Creationism and abstinence education, the US will up to its nostrils in random shitheads. We’ll lead the world in random shithead production. My God, it will be beautiful.

  • Mark Bisone

    Interesting. I always figured the worst part would be the penis being inserted into your mouth and/or rectum. Thanks for the inside-baseball on this critical topic.

  • SeekerLancer

    I agree. The movie builds and builds up to that scene in the trenches then it feels like they didn’t know how to end it so it just crumbled into a mess. I got the same, “It’s Doomsday again,” vibes that Mike did.

    Still, it mostly worked and it sticks out like a sore thumb next to the rest of the DCEU which is nothing but white noise.

  • kylemz

    Here’s what i wrote on FB, after seeing WW yesterday: I just saw this and my first thought as the credits rolled was “this is how you write a screenplay, people”. I am one of those with comic book movie fatigue, I certainly don’t care to pay $11 to see one in the theater. The last I had seen was Captain America: Civil War, streaming on NF a few months ago. While that had interesting elements, it was too long, was unfocused with too many characters, and was anti-climactic. With W.W. we have the complete opposite of that, everything is there for a reason, reveals are made at appropriate times, and it all pays off. Instead of the usual build-up to a battle (destroying much of Manhattan) against some villain-of-the-month, we get both a clever fantasy/mythology backstory and compelling WWI historical fiction rolled into one. Having had no intention to go see it, I am glad I listened to the people saying it is one of the best superhero movies yet made. I agree. I’m sure there will be two or three sequels, which will likely add little to a movie that stands on its own.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Ironically, during the audition process, the gays lose the Obsessing About Gay Sex category to the red-blooded flag-waving heterosexuals (alleged). A case of the Not Gayz usually throws the metrics off.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Manchester by the Sea was sold out that day, so I watched Wonder Woman instead.
    **hands back Hipster Cineaste credentials at nearest coffee house in university neighborhood**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    It’s like when I saw The Bee Movie and thought, “This is exactly like The Deer Hunter.”

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Eric Trump is crushing his Franklin Pierce cosplay.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Have you read Twibby’s other novels like “A Tale of One and A Half Cities” and “Oliver Slightly Bent”?

  • Mark Bisone

    Everyone has red blood, except for the Alien and Spock.

    But what if your eternal scapegoat is waving a rainbow flag? Does that throw off the metric system? Can I measure our horror in feet and miles?

  • You mean – “Just Vengers”

  • Pop Culture Reference

    If my Freemason friend who orchestrated Jade Helm is right, I think that image is a false flag operation.

  • EJ

    So it’s like The Holy Mountain?

  • EJ

    Eric Trump wishes he was as good-looking as Pierce. I mean Pierce was a pro-slavery northerner, so way to be TOTALLY on the wrong side of history, but he was easily the best looking president until JFK came along.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Wonder Bread lost a great marketing opportunity.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I thought Breitbart was nothing but white noise?
    **rim shot**

  • No, no. The little boy that turns into a man. Aka Captain Marvel. Aka Shazam.

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