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Wow you guys did not get Sucker Punch at all. The punch was it was Sweet Pea’s fantasy we were seeing, which did have real world consequences as we saw with the death of Sweet Pea’s sister. Baby Doll was not crazy. In reality Baby Doll was not using her body, she was using her brains and strength of will to escape. Sweet Pea saw things differently, but then she was there for a reason. And not all the men were evil even in Sweet Pea’s fantasy- consider the Wise Man.
So like, if one of those ninja statues managed to hurt her really badly, she might blow the ping pong ball trick in real life and all the guys would laugh at her. Or if a dragon ate her, maybe that would be symbolic of the dildo on a cordless drill routine going horribly wrong somehow.
if it was sweet pea’s fantasy why did it focus on babydolls face on every transition between fantasy and reality…. in a film that is entirely based on visual storytelling?
‘wise man’ is not evil, but it kind of plays right into Mike and Jay’s point. the women need to be rescued from a brothel by a man…even though they have machine guns and sexy dances, thats still not enough, they need a guy to save them. that is kind of a classic idea that would drive a feminist up the wall with rage.
now im not saying thats what the movie is. but zack kind of ‘went there’ by calling his film female empowerment, so if he is going to say that its kind of unfair to not take criticism on the same kind of issues.
i mean, clearly she is using her body, thats the whole point of the dance sequences. but its not ‘clear’ what that means in the ‘real world’.
the difference between this and Inception and The Matrix and even The Wizard of Oz is that its never clear, exactly, the links between fantasy land and reality.
its like a $150,000,000 experimental art film. it has really really great pieces , great actors, amazing sfx, but its hard to see how they fit together into, you know, a story.
“if it was sweet pea’s fantasy why did it focus on babydolls face on every transition between fantasy and reality”- Purely to deliver the sucker punch to the audience.
“its like a $150,000,000 experimental art film. it has really really great pieces , great actors, amazing sfx, but its hard to see how they fit together into, you know, a story”- Good summary. It is definitely surrealist, and so like any dream-style artwork is never meant to make perfect sense. In addition, Sweat Pea was in the institution for a reason. Her view of reality is clearly distorted.
Sure, there is sort of a clever twist at the end of the movie, but the first 2 hours is mindless anime-style wank material with girls in sexy outfits with big guns with absolutely no influence on the plot (or so it would seem at the time when you are watching it).
It’s basically just 2 hours of Zack Snyder throwing sexy schoolgirls fighting giant mechas at the screen and then at the end, while all the anime fans are cleaning their jizz up, Zack Snyder holds up at sign that says
“Dear anime/manga fans
You don’t have to feel embarrassed about jacking off to this movie. See, it’s actually kind of clever now. And you can lecture other people about how clever the ending is, and you by extension of course.
This is the most ridiculous defense of a film I’ve ever heard.
You have redefined schlock as “Experimental Art Film” and “Surrealist” when you actually mean “utter shite.”
This is a movie about MK Ultra programming where the victim goes in to altered states to escape from the abusive environment. They are trained to become “alters” or altered, fragmented personalities through torture induced dissociation and are programmed to play a role, just like baby doll. Yes the illuminati exist now where’s my brain medicine.
I found some of the action scenes to be cool, but the film isn’t good; its a teenage boys fantasy disguised as “female empowerment”.
To much japanese culture references without actually japanese actors. “message” of these kind of movies: “We can do better that these slit eyes”. Like Kung Fu, Last Samurai and Kill Bill…Dragon Ball. I will not say thats racism but there is obvious a lack of respect for the asian cultures in murica that all wise masters and brave heroes in these stories have to be US white people…but where is no culture we have to import one I guess…
Jay is talking about Musicals. Omitted would be so happy.
I love Mike’s reaction to the “female empowerment” bit.
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