Half in the Bag: Man of Steel

June 20, 20133,801 Comments

Mike, Jay, and their new friend Rich Evans (a different Rich Evans or something) discuss the latest iteration of Superman, this one being too cool and “real” to actually be called Superman. Also, Mr. Plinkett receives some distressing news that may lead to him losing his house! Is this the end of Half in the Bag??!! (spoiler: it isn’t)

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  • joe

    yuss

  • PwnPocalypse

    As a comic book fan, I think I’m wearing rose colored glasses when it comes to Man of Steel. I enjoyed the action, but I’m a sucker for superhero action. I think the movie was flawed, definitely, but it had some fun moments. Hope the sequel will be much better.

  • fuck you

    Yeah, fuck your advertisments. And fuck you for this extra useless wait time because I use adblock.

  • stolliosis

    This is probably the first time I liked a movie that they disliked. But I still love hearing these hack frauds talk about movies.Keep cranking out HiTB.

  • Jero

    Yeah, I mean it was pretty bad. But the nonstop over the top action was fun… right?

  • http://www.moderngafa.com/ The Modern Gafa

    yeah! fuck the fact that I refuse to support the people who give me content for free!

  • Duck Shoe

    Fuck movies!

  • John

    You guys are just too cynical to enjoy anything anymore.

  • chud

    Please supply a useful comment that explains why you found this movie good. Otherwise, your post is pretty pointless because their discussion is spot on.

  • guest

    I AM ENTITLED!!!!

  • Observatron

    Excellent work as always, guys. Question for Rich. You’re awesome, man, but from 8:55 – 10:15, what’s that thing you’re doing with the beer bottle…?

  • Day_is_Over

    I sort of agree. Even when they like a movie it’s with a strange shrug of excitement.

  • durhay

    I expected Supes or Zod to don sunglasses after that drawn out fight.

  • JackMarco

    DC and Nolan have created a whole new breed of fantards. The worst of them all. When a critic site has to disable comments because the critics get death threats, you know that there is no reasoning with them…

  • Squint

    Nah, this movie is pretty bad.

  • SomeoneElseTookDude

    No best of the worst? :(

  • John Krzeminski

    Is something wrong with the audio for this episode?

  • Duck Shoe

    “You are the Puma Man. Put on this suit. You were meant for great things.”

  • PwnPocalypse

    PU MAMAN HE FLIES LIKE A MOOOROON!

  • PwnPocalypse

    Patience, grasshopper. That stuff takes time.

  • You’reAllFags

    Its not free if I’m forced to sit through 30 seconds of someone trying to sell me something I know I don’t want.

  • Duck Shoe

    Speaking of Superman & stubble: how *does* he shave? Or cut his hair? Wouldn’t it just bend or shatter any non-krypton razor?

  • Jon Doblow

    Lazer eyes + mirror.

  • SomeoneElseTookDude

    but I want it noooow

  • PwnPocalypse

    NO! YOU STOP THIS RIGHT NOW OR WE WILL NOT TAKE YOU TO CHUCK E CHEESE!

  • http://www.moderngafa.com/ The Modern Gafa

    That’s is exactly what makes it free.

  • SomeoneElseTookDude

    Blame Blip

  • Orange

    Did you have to pay to see that ad? No? Then fuck off back to the land of nonsense where people don’t need to earn money to make a living.

  • guest

    Are you paying for it? No? Then YES it is still free you entitled fucking idiot.

    You are not entitled to this material with absolutely no hassle on your part, and guess what? Red Letter Media is not obligated to provide you with videos in the first place.

    If you’re over the age of 14 and you’re making these complains, then that would just be pathetic.

  • AyeCapn

    Moooooooomm!! He’s breathing my air again!!!!!

  • AyeCapn

    I’ve killed men for less than that!

  • AyeCapn

    As if to say …..

    “Deal with it”

  • JD

    The union jokes weren’t funny and were kind of offensive. I hope you guys aren’t seriously anti-union.
    [spoilers]

    Anyways, this is the most Man of Steel is visually incredible and had some nice smaller moments. It’s nice to see them take Superman in a realistic direction instead of just making a silly campy superman movie. We already have lots of superman movies like that. Everyone has different ideas about what is needed for a superman story to be considered a superman story. My vision of who superman is differs from David Goyer and Zack Snyder’s vision but I think they did a great job presenting their vision of superman.

    And God forbid any movie try to have some big action sequences and great visuals. I know you guys liked The Avengers which was similar in it’s level of action and spectacle. The difference is that Avengers was a bit more light hearted and had more superheros saying witty banter whereas man of steel is more dramatic and is presented with more realism. (I liked both movies.) There is room for more than one style of moviemaking. I love half in the bag but you guys come off as a bit closeminded when it comes to spectacle movies. I guess I’m an idiot because I like visually exciting movies. It’s not like I can’t appreciate other kinds of films like 2001 or Citizen Kane just because I like action and spectacle.

    I agree the Jesus scene was a bit ridiculous and ham fisted, as was Lois Lane being everywhere there was exposition but those are minor things that don’t really make much of a difference to the overall story. It’s ultimately a nice story about a man who never feels like he belongs and he struggles to discover who he is. By the end of the movie we see a nice transition in Clark.

    As for the city destruction, what was Superman supposed to do? He can’t save everyone but he did save the world from Zod. We should all be thanking him. So what if there were a few casualties? Doesn’t it make the movie better that despite all superman’s godly powers he can’t fix everything?

    And what’s wrong with everyone in Metropolis hating superman? It’s a different take on the character than we usually see. I think that’s going to be a nice setup for the next movie. Afterall, this is basically Superman Begins. He still can continue to change and public perceptions of him in Metropolis will likely change in the later movies.

    The product placement didn’t feel ridiculous to me. Like Ihops exist in Kansas so there’s nothing wrong with superman throwing someone into one. It’s not like Jack and Jill.

    And the ending scene was brilliant. After the last part with Zod when clark is on the floor and he grabs lois and cries it was beautiful. Then I laughed when clark starts working at the daily planet and the editor tells him ‘welcome to the planet’. That was clever and sweet. The drone bit didn’t come off as creepy to me. It was superman saying ‘hey I am godly powerful and I don’t want you spying on me 24/7 so we’re gonna do this my way but trust me I’m here to help.’ I thought that was interesting because it sets up a lot for the next movie(s).

    It was kind of painful to watch 40 minutes of cynnical knit-picking. This is one of the only reviews you guys did were I totally disagree with you.

    And even if you don’t like the interpretation of superman in the movie it’s still a great sci-fi action movie aside from the superman representation.

  • StopCivilisation

    This sounds like it could have been teared apart by Plinket :)
    Thank you guys for standing up against dumb Hollywood movies.

  • circularlogic88

    I think its been established that he can use his heat vision in a mirror to burn off his facial hair. Dunno how plausible that would be though.

  • StopCivilisation

    Then watch it on youtube

  • Russell Cope

    Get off this website you hack.

  • marky

    I got the same thing with Jesus theory… plus at one point they mention that zod took 33 year to reach superman… implying that superman is 33…. jesus s age…..
    Mess of a movie but I weirdly enjoyed it still…

  • IMadeWilhelmScream

    Dialogue issues aside (lets not forget the Nolan Trilogy’s many eye rolling moments) I thought this movie was awesome.

  • Rez

    I completely agree with this review. I didn’t expect camp from nolan, but I was hoping for a superman that could actually enjoy life. Like someone who would find joy in his unusual powers. I was hoping for wonderment and exploration and adventure. Instead it was just this boring emotionless slog. I regret seeing it.

  • guest

    Oh fuck right off with your concerns about Union insensitivity. This is even worse than the people complaining that the hipster jokes were insensitive.

  • Darth Dialup

    I find it odd that I actually enjoyed this movie as much as I did – as my wife hated it. She is the type that likes pretty much anything and likes to call me a movie snob. I tend to agree with the general consensus, so I’m kind of blown away by the harsh backlash. Maybe someone at the theater spiked my drink.

    I was never a fan of the Donner films. I always thought they were extremely cheesy and have not aged well at all. Man of Steel was flawed and had its own share of problems that I hope the sequel remedies.

    The story and characters were a tad underdeveloped, the fact that his suit was just there to put on was lazy, and I don’t think the codex being within Superman made much sense. I still got enough to care about Superman and what was going on. Henry Cavill, in my opinion, was a great casting chose who not only looks the part, but also put in a good performance. The actress that played Faora was awesome, too. The action set pieces were also some of the best I’ve ever seen. I never even noticed the shaky cam.

    Anyway, I liked the movie for the most part. It was by no means as good as The Dark Knight or anything. Perhaps the sequel(s) can do a better job establishing things.

  • Ben Robson

    out of all the things that RLM has ever done, Rich Evans as a self-proclaimed lazy union worker is what offends you?

  • http://kingengrishkube.deviantart.com/ kube of Nazareth over 9000

    Americanman; greencardception…

  • SHUTUPRLM

    HOWTHE FUCK IS THIS NOT EVIDENCE THSE FAT FUCKS ARE MARVELITES WHO EAT EVERYTHING MARVEL AND HATE ALL THAT IS DC? FUCK YOU! YOU ARE NOT COMIC FANS SO YOU SHOULD NEVER WATCH SUPERHERO MOVIES AGAON!!!!!!!!

  • David Hasenjaeger

    Well i could of gone for 20 more minutes of destruction of Plinkett’s house

  • Pinga

    awesome!

  • Ғalldog

    Well I thought it was a great movie. Not perfect, but better than TDRK and IM3.

  • guest

    Such a funny and accurate parody of dumb fanboy comments.

  • Duck Shoe

    You like unions (and their enforced-laziness rules), but the fact that the hero in this movie makes little to no effort to help average people doesn’t bother you.

    Revealing.

  • Benzo

    It’s like Link and Zelda; there are multiple incarnations of Rich Evans…

  • whip

    Hah.. typical union person.. so absolutely indoctrinated into the mentality that they can’t even appreciate simple jokes and HAVE to respond and challenge it.

    There couldn’t be stronger condemnation of unions themselves then your knee jerk reaction to their simple, common union joking. It was not even close to “offensive”.

  • netcrave

    Well, the theme with these guys seems to be, that they don’t appreciate action that’s just there without any purpose/anything more meaningful to warrant it. They have different priorities and I respect that.

    I too don’t want to see every movie become nothing more than senseless explosions for 2 hours. Especially when the material would be good for so much more.

  • Joe Bloggs

    I’m glad to see that Generations was not saved from destruction.

  • eon davidson

    Straighten the cat picture dammit!

  • Guest

    This “review” is obviously based on watching trailers and reading everyone else’s review (including pulling out quotes from others). You guys “recalling” scenes from the movie are obviously wrong, or flat out completely missed (like Zod only being free because of krypton exploding, not because it was planned by the Kryptonians), and plot lines are misinterpreted. All which wouldn’t be if someone would’ve actually went to see this movie.

  • whip

    wait what?

    were you making some joke, and then explaining it, in case we didn’t get it?

  • Timothy J Greeley

    Finally people who aren’t scared to say this movie was pretty bad. Not only did it not work as a Superman movie, it barely worked as a film in general. Some of the fights were bad ass, but that was about it.

  • Sex

    When will this faggotry end?

  • whip

    attention whore much?

  • Guesto

    Oh man, I couldn’t stop laughing when Rich got back at the end. Great review.

  • Cum

    Nobody’s grabbing the pitchfork for calling this movie bad, my retarded friend, don’t be scared.

  • Blaggut

    I think they just have high expectations, and they should. There are and were good movies out there but most of what gets released is done just to make money, which is ok, that’s the free market. But because people now have conditioned lowered expectations, they accept sub par films. I think more people should be a bit more critical of what is released, only pay for quality and don’t accept less. When studios start losing money, they’ll start thinking.

  • skywalker24

    Best episode yet. I had the exact same sentiments watching this shlock.

  • StopCivilisation

    As you guys said this should have been a hulk movie. What you see on screen had made more sense.

    Which makes me wonder, if someone deicides to “reboot” the hulk and turn it into a more dark kind of movie, like they have done now with both Batman and superman and considering that the Hulk could fistfuck superman all the way to Krypton how over-the-top can a Hulk movie become when this one is so extremley over the edge ?!

  • Sully

    The first film should’ve featured Lex Luthor and should’ve been *mostly* about Superman discovering who he is and trying to discover his role/purpose in our world. Basically a coming out of the closet film.
    Zod should’ve been the villain in the sequel, but even then, Superman should’ve led Zod to more remote locations; deserts, forests, the oceans, etc. He’s suppose to be a savior of mankind, not one of the reasons it’s being killed off Armageddon-style.
    If they wanted to destroy Metropolis and have Superman truly fighting for his life while buildings are falling around them, that should’ve been saved for a Doomsday film, because like you guys said, the destruction was more in line with the Hulk.

    The movie was okay, but I have to agree with Mike and Jay, I feel they (Snyder, Goyer, Nolan) missed the point about who/what Superman is.

    That being said, who else thought the Smallville battle was more engaging than the finale? Faoro-Ul, in my opinion, was far more hardcore than Zod.

  • Half in the Bag Critic

    I found this episode slightly interesting, however the ongoing plot thread with Plinket’s VCR could have been better developed. I mean I expected the setup to deliver more humor. Instead all I got was the lazy writing shifting the focus to his house getting demolished to make room for a highway. This is just a random plot introduced out of nowhere so they can have the final gag involving the construction worker smashing furniture. I don’t know, I feel like this show has been coasting ever since it’s epic Star Wars and Star Trek franchise reviews.

  • Sully

    Considering the Hulk, in canon, has backstroked through magma to pull a dying planet back together with his bare hands, I’m sure they’ll find a way.

  • Day_is_Over

    You complain that movies aren’t fun and you can’t enjoy Fast Six? You guys don’t know what you want anymore.

  • StopCivilisation

    Yeah, I guess you are right on that. Honestly I’m a bit curious to see what can come out if someone deicides to take on the Hulk in Hollywood and turn it more dark.

  • netcrave

    Parts of this review remind me of Star Trek (2009). There too, countless lives are lost (over 7 billion (!) people die when the Vulcan homeworld is destroyed) and the movie ends with them celebrating… I was flabbergasted. I didn’t understand how anyone could still celebrate (and even earn medals…) after something like this, which was – to me – a total defeat.

    Now that I know this movie delves into similar madness, I will skip it. I’m sure that this (and lots of the other mentioned elements) wouldn’t have been to my taste.

  • Clint Page

    I can’t manage to summon up the vitriol for this movie, even though I agree that it’s a bad movie. After all the death and destruction in “The Avengers” and “The Dark Knight Rises” (and the huge grosses they brought in with primarily older demographics), it seems kinda naïve to expect someone to reboot the Superman franchise as something kid friendly, light hearted and charming.

  • Jay Pops

    Avengers fans made tons of death threats too yknow

  • Ғalldog

    Let’s be real, the Superman II final showdown as pretty awful.

  • JackMarco

    lol

  • Ғalldog

    I think those are bears.

  • rikkibarnes

    Yes, because the church scene, him throwing the satellite in front of the General, Lois being sucked out of the aircraft, etc were totally in the trailer. :/ Instead of making up conspiracy theories and trying to discredit their review, just accept that this is their opinion (and rightfully so).

  • chud

    When have they ever said anything about Fast Six?

  • StopCivilisation

    CGI is only what matters nowdays it seems. With all 15 year olds high on energydrinks and what have you. Their brains only “functions” to this kind of stuff ;)

  • guest

    I hope this is all meant to be some sort of parody of idiotic comments.

    I really, really hope that’s the case.

  • netcrave

    I don’t think this is a good comparison. Other than Superman, it’s well out of Batman’s power to prevent the death and destruction seen in TDKR.

  • BatMarv

    ” Why couldn’t it have been more like Superman 2, when Supes murders a de-powered Zod when he doesn’t even have to and then laughs about it afterwards” Can the nostalgia boys, and it MIGHT help to have read, or at least know something about the comics on which the character is based before just assuming they’re all clean-cut, golly-gosh stuff. I’m sick of hearing that it was “joyless” and had no “humor”..GOOD! It’s a serious movie telling a serious story I don’t need to be yukking it up every 4 mins when I go to see a superhero flick, there are comedies for that. Iron Man 3 , though fun, was completely un-engaging on an emotional level because after every dramatic beat they followed it up with a sight gag or 3. Also, some of your criticism suggest you didn’t even watch the movie properly at all, ie, why was Lois brought on board Zod’s ship – because Zod knew that she was aware of Supes’ identity, assumed he cared about her and might be able to use her as a bargaining chip if needs be. ..no explicitly spelled out, but kinda obvious no?

    Big fan, but you got this one wrong imo.

  • Day_is_Over

    At least Superman outsmarted them. Used his brains first. Then his brawn.

  • Super Mongo

    I don’t remember when I last saw a movie theater from the inside!

  • japdog

    “it seems kinda naïve to expect someone to reboot the Superman franchise as something kid friendly, light hearted and charming.”

    Instead of trying to make superman ‘like the other movies’ they should focus on making a good superman flick on its own terms.

  • Brian

    you guys didn’t mention the 40 fake snap zooms. or the fact that Zack Snyder somehow is allowed to keep making movies even though nearly all of them suck.

  • eon davidson

    Straighten the bear picture dammit!

  • ROBOTwithHUMANhair

    you fuck that room up rich

  • CareBoar

    Oh believe me, no one missed that theme. It was the only things that Kevin Costner and Russell Crowe ever fucking talked about

  • Gran2

    Great episode.

    “That was a Simpsons reference” – I’m calling The Simpsons Movie as the next Plinkett review…

  • Ғalldog

    Not sure what you’re expecting from a Superman movie. It’s like folks just forgot about the last three decades of Superman and DC universe comics.

  • Mr King

    Long time viewer, first time commenter.

    This review is terrible. Golden Age Superman had his Philip Marlowe moments, and by the end of the film he becomes the Clark Kent persona for reals, big smiles and hunched shoulders and everything.

    Also, ZOD IS MURDERED CRUELLY IN SUPERMAN 2. What the fuck guys, really. You make all these grunts about ‘the character’ but you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.

    Ironic seeing as how this is the only HitB I can personally remember where you spend prolonged amounts of time directly taking the piss out of potential fans. I’m not talking snappy lines or calling Michael Bay an asshole I mean derivative, minute long mean spirited jabs for no reason.

    And you’re precisely the kind of people that whinge about how films spoon-feed audiences stuff, but this leaves a few things around for you to chew on and figure out for yourself, and now apparently it doesn’t make it clear enough at all? Lois brought herself into everything that happened to her in that movie, albeit unwittingly.

    I could go on but you guys seem to be on hating this just becase *your* Superman isn’t the one you saw on screen,

    He’s still raw, he’s still learning what he can do, and he’s just learned that he really shouldn’t kill. It’s almost like this is an origin story with an Arc.

  • Jitt

    Superman did not call Zod a mother*ucker, he said “You think you can threaten my mother?”

    Movie wasn’t perfect, but don’t act like it was trash. Get over the Donner movies, you shouldn’t keep resurrecting your childish image of Superman and hate everything that doesn’t conform to that.

  • Zorak

    What do you mean scared? Don’t tell me you actually just implied these guys are brave for this review. It has a 56% of Rotten Tomatoes, FFS.

  • JD

    Um he saved the god damn world and stands as a symbol of hope for average people. Superman doesn’t have anything to do with unionized labor one way or the other. But I was just saying the joke sucks because it’s just like ‘I’m a union worker so I don’t work!’ It’s just a bad punch line.

  • Clint Parker

    No, you can’t end Half in the bag, I like this show.

  • Rick_Berman

    Ah I see what you did there, Problem is it’s not funny.

  • fuckthisstupidreview

    I swear, you RedLetterMedia fags need to stop reviewing anything that has to do with comics. If you think Iron man 3 and The Avengers were good and Man of Steel, a REAL comic book movie, sucked then it’s obvious you are just a pack of Marvelite retards (which Rich Evans admitted to being) and Richard Donner nostalgia fags. You fucking suck at reviewing comic book movies. Pick up some comics then we can talk, yuou shitty ass idiots.

  • guest

    “This review is terrible because I have a different opinion of the movie than you.”

    There. That’s all you needed to say. Much less text for everyone to ignore.

  • DAN

    this comment made me laugh so hard xD

  • chud

    You could always just not watch their videos if it makes you so upset.

    Might i suggest going for a bike ride or reading a book?

  • da twist

    Oh my gawd!

    Plinkett is Artur dent !

  • Micha de Jong

    Though the only reason he has to save the world is because he’s on it… heroic ye.

  • CynicCine

    “I expected the setup to deliver more humor. Instead all I got was the lazy writing shifting the focus to his house getting demolished to make room for a highway.”

    It’s a metaphor for Man of Steel. Think about it.

  • Benzo

    I don’t think your brain works properly…

  • It’s ARTHUR DENT

    It’s like vogon poetry .

    It destroys half of Metropolis.

  • hipstersandfanboysarecool

    They forgot a couple things in this review. First, why did the screenwriters turn Lois Lane into a raging alcoholic? (She chugs a glass of scotch at one in the afternoon! Only people with serious drinking problems do that.). And second, how exactly was that one guy with the basketball tickets going to see a game at the end of the movie? The city was demolished, yet, a week later, everyone had already moved on to caring about the local sports team amid the ruins of their city? I guess it must have been the playoffs. That would take my mind off the death of most of my coworkers.

  • CynicCine

    True. But many film forums have fans going out in full force against anyone who doesn’t like this film. Among critics it’s nothing special but try going on Reddit and criticizing it.

  • Ghidoran

    lol what? ‘scared to say this movie was pretty bad’? Almost half the critics said the movie was bad. Stop acting like the film is somehow ‘overrated’ or that these guys are one of the few to call it out on its flaws.

  • Guest

    It was trash. Still better than the marvel films though.

  • Day_is_Over

    She took a shot that doesn’t make her an alcoholic.

  • S G

    It’s pretty baffling to hear filmmakers talk about how they wanted this film to be “more realistic” while keeping a straight face. Yeah, sure.. there’s a guy who flies around in a tight blue suit and a red cape, a guy who can shoot laser beams from his eyes or push an entire planet out of orbit, but having him wear his trademark red underpants – *that* would be ridiculous.

    Besides: Why does Superman need to be dark and gritty? Isn’t that what Batman is for? Next thing you’ll know, they’ll do a dark and gritty Muppet-movie or an ultraviolent version of the Teletubbies. Hmm.. actually, those two concepts are strangely appealing

  • StopCivilisation

    Such a comment makes up well enough for their claims on what kind of audience a movie like this one are for.

  • stolliosis

    Seriously, where is the Shoji Tabuchi Show from the wheel. Bring it on already!

  • Sully

    “Comic Book Movies” are not immune to the rules that govern all other movies; things like logic for one. You can’t tell me it wasn’t completely useless for Zod to kidnap Lois, and even more retarded that she was allowed to go on a bombing run with the U.S. Armed Forces, OR that she was even allowed anywhere NEAR a top secret “anomaly” in the arctic.
    Or how about the fact that in all of the destruction of Smallville and Metropolis, Superman managed to save one soldier? Give me a break.

    The movie was exciting action-wise, I’ll give you that, but on an overall entertainment level, it was severely lacking.

  • stolliosis

    I will say the snap zoom Duplass brother imitation was getting pretty fuckin’ annoying, although overall I enjoyed the flawed movie. Watchmen was OK. It looked pretty good, and it was pretty faithful to the great comic. 300 was lame.

  • Topher

    I understand why people are defending this movie, it the same as Green Lantern when it came out, fanboys will be fanboys. But objectively as a movie, it is bad. Pacing is terrible, dialogue is hammy, plot makes no sense, characters are one dimensional. I don’t know why anyone would hate on my Mike and Jay (and Rich I guess) just for pointing out these obvious facts. And this is coming from someone that was genuinely excited to the movie, and the genuinely dissapointed.

  • sepiajack

    I think a smart approach to Superman might be to sort of go the route the modern Dr Who series have, Superman is a hard character to relate too, he’s invincible and also has no personality flaws. Likewise the doctor is hard to relate to. But they tell his stories through the eyes of his regular human companions. Its really more about going on adventure WITH the doctor, instead of BEING the doctor for the audience.

    I think a superman movie could work in a similar fashion if its told primarily through the eyes of Lois Lane. Making her so forgettable in this film is one of its biggest mistakes.

    I do think Cavill was really well cast though, Fiora was also good too.

    I also thing if they had not used a non linear style for all the childhood stuff to try and make it more Nolany, and just told the story in order it would be a bit easier to invest in Clark as a character and the story in general.

    It doesn’t fix a myriad of other issues with MoS but probably a fan-editor with more time on their hands then me could at least make an improved version of this movie.

  • guest

    Fuck you Rick Berman!

  • poop

    People like you don’t actually listen to the criticisms do you?

  • sepiajack

    And even if she is, she’s a FUNCTIONAL alcoholic.

  • junierizzle

    I think the problem filmmakers have made is confusing “dark and gritty” with good story telling. I never saw The Dark Knight as being “dark and Gritty” It just took it’s story telling seriously.

  • junierizzle

    Ha. I laughed out loud when that dude was asking for a date. I said, court side to what? They destroyed that city.

  • Sully

    A better movie would’ve been about Clark Kent trying to find his place in this world, while Lois is tracking down all of the stories and youtube clips of “Some Guy” who keeps appearing to save people from burning buildings. It should almost feel like a wild goose chase or Big Foot story, and it would make more sense for Fishburne to give her shit about it.

    Then you have Clark hear about some science expedition in the arctic that “found an anamaly.” He could sneak in and even have Lois sneak in as well (because there’s no way any real government would allow her or a civilian luggage handler anywhere near a top secret expedition), and that could be their first encounter.

    Already a better movie, right?

    Finally, Zod shows up because he, like in the movie, detects the Krypton ship, and then have all hell break loose. I would’ve still had Supes smart enough to move the battle out of the city though. Jesus fuckin’ Christ, he saved one soldier out of Millions. Morpheus managed to save that many.

  • sepiajack

    There’s also some really weird sound errors in MoS. When Superman flies into the terraforming tripod laser thing at the end, they had set up that he can’t breath the Kryptonian air, and it seems like someone remembered this at the last minute because there is a really badly dubbed in sound of superman coughing while he’s flying into the cataclysm. Its louder than any of the explosions and feels about as comical as the over the top bottle breaking sound effects HitB uses whenever Mike drops a beer bottle

  • Mr King

    Too bad you ignored it slick.

    This review is terrible because they discuss clear things about the character that are outright, unarguably, completely WRONG, and they either intentionally ignore plot points for the sake of their rant or the accidentally missed plot points. Either way, how is being factually wrong the basis of any kind of good review?

    Normally I’m as big a fan of these guys as anybody, but what the shit was this review?

  • guestguest

    BREAKING NEWS: Guy who liked movie, upset with guys who didn’t! READ ALL ABOUT IT!

  • IsolateMutate

    I think a lot of people are missing the point here.

    It’s not about how this movie isn’t accurate to the comic books or that it isn’t the exact same as the Richard Donner movie, but more or less that this is much more serious than it needs to be, and even as a serious movie, it doesn’t really work. If this movie is as “gritty” or “real” as people say it is, then why is Superman randomly saving Lois Lane, a character whom he’s spent like an hour with, while millions are dying? If this movie is supposed to be super serious, how is hammy stuff like Superman trying to punch through a giant lazer acceptable? If this is such a gritty and “real” movie, why is there little to no character development? We see flashbacks of Clarks past, but we never really get to hear him talk about how he feels, or have a normal fucking conversation with anyone. There is some level of relatability to Supermans character in that even though he’s the strongest person on the planet, he still has insecurities and doubts. But here, it’s just kind of skipped over. Sure, he seems a bit nervous that everyone is telling him to be the greatest person on earth, but it’s never really delved into.

    For a movie trying to be so serious and gritty, it doesn’t really have the more relatable qualities or simplistic dillemmas that something like The Dark Knight had. Batman was afraid Joker was gonna blow up a couple of ships while Superman worries about Lois Lane in the midst of a giant lazer taking out Metropolis.

    For me, this movie was just too disconnected to feel real, and it was too serious or just plain dumb for me to appreciate the sci-fi. I thought the ending fight with Zod was kinda cool and that there was a very Superman moment in how he didn’t really want to kill him, but considering his lack of care for the rest of Metropolis, it just didn’t work for me.

  • Mr King

    Then he used his brawn to crush a mans bones to pieces, and then throw him down a pit to his death while he screamed.

    And yes, The Theme was playing in the background while it happened, just like these plonkers laughed about in their imaginings of this movie. THATS the classic they’re saying this movie trampled on. What? Did these motherfuckers even see Superman 2?

  • sepiajack

    I do agree we should have seen Supes saving people. I’m wondering though if the reason for the destruction of Metropolis (which I don’t think is ever even called that in the movie) is perhaps in the sequel they will have the city rebuilt by Lex corp as the ‘city of tomorrow!’ type idea from some of the older comics, which would be neat.

    The one scene I DID really like was the final moment at the daily planet. the “welcome to ‘the planet'” bit was clever, and his response of “thanks Lois, I’m glad to be here” was pretty spot on superman for me.

    Wish the whole movie could have had that kind of tone.

  • Sully

    I agree. If the story was from Lois’ point of view, it would’ve made more sense. She’s an investigative journalist, she should’ve been the one to “Out” some nameless alien whose been goin’ around saving people. And once that happens he decides to don the cape.

  • asshole 54

    I’d say 300 was more suited to Snyder than Watchmen.

    Watchmen was O.K. but he could not get passed over his fetish about violence and glamorization of it and making the vigilantes in costumes look cool and super awesome and giving them superhuman abilities.He kind of missed the point of the original graphic novels with that.Only character resembling anything like that is the blue penis guy the rest of them are just regular people with mad skills and questionable mental state.Nothing superhuman about them.

  • RG

    I’m disappointed that the guys didn’t like it. I haven’t seen it yet myself, but I like their reviews and generally agree with them, so it looks like Man of Steel might disappoint.

    P.S. Is that the most exercise Rich Evans has had in years?

  • Mr King

    Seriously, what the fuck is with the internet today? Do people read anymore?

    I’m not upset that they didn’t like the movie, I’m upset because they’re either blatantly ignoring shit, outright lying to fit a point, or are plain old wrong and don’t know what they’re talking about. Factually I mean, I’m not talking about the stuff they got right and just didn’t like am I?

    But there are a number of things in this review that are actually, truly, plain old wrong. How is pointing that out bad?

  • Mr King
  • Sully

    Exactly. I will say I did like that Lois knows his identity. It makes more sense. I never understood how anyone as smart as Lane never noticed that Superman and the guy whom she saw EVERY FUCKING DAY AT WORK were the same guy from the first encounter.

  • Kaczor

    Wow, Jay’s iPad app “Flop Predictor” was right. “Man of Steel” IS gay-ass.

  • Edyed

    The real question is when is Mr. Plinkett (or someone, I don’t care) going to review The Man on Man on Steel?

  • da twist

    The joys of OCD.

  • Ғalldog

    It was rather devoid of humor but for me it worked. It showed Superman as rather new and unsure of things. From the last scene with him and the military general you see him open up a bit and I think it opens the sequel to a might confident and lighter Superman.

  • sepiajack

    Yes, and having the fun stuff with him as bumbling Clark at the daily planet is such a big part of the fun of the mythos, could integrate with that stuff really well, that he’s right under her nose.

    It’s a shame they went so dark, I’m fine with it in Batman because it fits that character, but just like the Amazing Spiderman was a mistep for trying to darker, this is too. I’m not saying that Superman should be just like the Avengers, but it should be closer to that tone. Colourful, light, fun, optimistic. Avengers was a mega hit I’m surprised we aren’t seeing more of that.

    And having a dark cynical hero story like Batman works better if not every other superhero is like that. Its that nice contract that makes these things play off each other better. Like when spiderman would cross over with Punisher. If spiderman was also a blood thirsty killing machine then who would care? That was one of the big problems with IMAGE comics, every character was a heartless killer. In marvel Punisher stands out because he’s one of the only characters like that.

  • Day_is_Over

    So either Superman is no longer an interesting character or noone in hollywood knows how to handle the character anymore. I like how Captain America both poked fun at his idealism and yet made him admirable for it in a cynical age. Perhaps Superman needed a dose of that.

  • vsion

    Watch it and form your own opinion because you may just enjoy it like myself and many others.

  • sepiajack

    Yeah I was fine with that change also, especially if you’re going for a realistic approach. If they went campier, more the tone of Raimi’s spiderman movies (which I really like) then you can have hoaky stuff like the no one notices because of the glasses thing.

    Also all the jesus analogies were weird, especially because superman has always been a jewish allegory.

  • StopCivilisation

    Oh No Green Lantern. For all the therapist sessions one had to see to get that terrible thing out of my head and now your post reminded me of it! AHHHH! :)

  • Mark Bisone

    Yeah, but nobody believed those pussies would follow through.

  • Semantics

    While Man of Steel had some flaws, and a couple of odd moments, I think it did a number of things right as well. What I think most people overlook is that Superman, as a character concept, is more than a power trip fantasy. As an ideal, his character is a refutation of the notion that absolute power corrupts absolutely. To be fair though, you never really see this side of the character, especially not in the movies, because there’s never really anything there to challenge him. He just goes and does his thing as Superman and saves everyone and yay isn’t that just swell.

    This movie puts the character into a conflict that doesn’t leave him any good, heroic choices. In fact, the most “heroic” moment he had was a 10 second dialogue with Zod during the final battle. Superman is about to destroy the seed ship, and Zod stops him by saying “If you do this, you’re killing your entire race.” And it’s not really hyperbole. Superman hesitates for a moment, and then states that his people had their chance and proceeds to destroy the ship. That’s a moral conflict that we don’t often see in iterations of Superman. They are present in some places, but generally he still always seems to find a “best” solution where everyone wins. Krypton didn’t win in this, he ended them and any hope they had of rebuilding their society.

    I agree that the old Superman movies were fun and often had their own sort of campy wit and cliche moments. But do you really think the Brandon Routh Superman saved everyone in Metropolis during that the earthquake that was literally ripping apart the sea floor? The only difference here is that we saw the destruction and it was very (if not overly) visceral. We also saw the major weakness of Superman that I think a fair number of people over look. He can’t be everywhere at once, and so no, he can’t save everyone.

    Consider the personal conflict of having Superman’s powers and what to do with them. Every moment you spend as Clark Kent is a conscious choice to not be out saving somebody, because realistically people are dying for one reason or another every day. Superman’s story, at least in my opinion, has always needed to be one of moral choices. We need to see and understand that, as a character, his burden is ultimately a moral dilemma that he does not have the luxury of righting off. He has to bear the weight of every choice he makes, because he has the power to do so much.

    While this is not the Superman we’re used to seeing, and I freely admit the movie has its own flaws, I very much appreciated that this movie was closer to a moral examination of the character than any of its predecessors. Was it perfect? No, but movies rarely are, and we have to forgive them for at least some flaws. If you don’t really like to view Superman in this way, then you probably wont like the brooding nature of the movie, and you’ll probably tend to agree with the video review. But I enjoyed it, and I thought it was very well done. Personally, I plan to see it a second time, but that’s just me.

  • Sully

    So is Jesus. Shhhhhh. ;)

  • Rich Evans Fan

    Rich Evans>Red Letter Media

  • Gyumaoh

    We have a serious contender here for the next Plinkett review. It appears the Nolan fanboys need to be educated on what Snyder did wrong and what Donner did right, Sacred cows to be slaughtered and only Mr. Plinkett can do it.

  • Sully

    Did people defend Green Lantern? I mean other than the director’s mom?

  • sepiajack

    Yes I think Captain America is Superman’s closest cousin in terms of characters, and suffers from the same challenges of being relatable and relevant to modern audiences..

    If you think back even to the Donner film in the 70s, even then Lois is giving Clark/Superman a lot of piss about being such a ‘well golly miss Lane’ aw shucks innocent/naive guy, and that was almost 40 years ago.

    Going for a hyper realistic dark approach accentuates all of these problems. They should have gone fun and fantasical. Metropolis as the city of tomorrow, etc.

  • Sully

    I second the motion.

  • sepiajack

    LMAO good point!!!!

  • Semantics

    Can you elaborate?

  • derp

    I don’t understand how people can get so ANGRY about someone’s opinion. Don’t you people just feel like pathetic losers getting so upset over an internet review?

  • Superman = FUN!

    not muh superman!
    why wasn’t superman already acting like superman at the beginning of the movie? it’s like he wasn’t even superman till the end of the movie!
    why didn’t they remake the donner films?
    superman returns is much better!
    too much exposition
    why didn’t it explain in great detail why Zod wanted Lois on the ship, even though it did?
    why didn’t superman save everybody all the time all at once? Was it because superman isn’t omniscient and a god?

  • Harry Butters

    So this has nothing to do with Man Of Steel but, I was dragged to a Postal Service concert on Tuesday in Maryland, and my god I’ve never seen so many actual hipsters in my life! I mean everywhere i turned there were tight jeans flannel/plaid shirts, thick black glasses, and fedoras, it was ridiculous. I wish i could’ve gathered them all up and put them together to take a picture, and maybe they could realize how stupid they look…. by golly I was amazed to see that hipsters are a real thing….

  • RLMyourMarveliteisshowing

    If you think these guys aren’t biased toward Marv el then you are goddamn naive…

  • sepiajack

    It’s a weird state of affairs for modern moviegoers these days that somehow (unless I’m forgetting something better) the best Summer movie for 2013 at this point is…

    Fast and the Furious 6??

    Certainly way better than Star Trek, Man of Steel, After Earth.

    I did enjoy Iron Man 3 quite a bit, but that movie is all over the place in terms of tone, and I agree with Mike & Jay that would have worked better with just Tony in his broken suit fighting guy pearce at the end instead of the army of ironmen over the top stuff.

    Hopefully Elysium is good, it looks solid at least, I just hope it’s got a little more substance to it than: “rich people bad”

  • Sully

    Too bad this concert wasn’t being held in Metropolis.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    Mike’s impression of you really hit a nerve, didn’t it?

  • Dude

    Except they liked The Dark Knight Rises you fucking idiot.

  • illuminatedwax

    This movie had absolutely no real emotion, either. Anything emotional was told through shorthand instead of actually establishing characters we care about: a childbirth! a bully! a father’s sacrifice! it had all the emotional weight of a hallmark card.

  • Sully

    Elysium looks great. If it flops I’m going on a killing spree in Hollywood.

  • IsolateMutate

    I really hope they do go in that direction with the sequel, although it might feel a bit odd after all the death and destruction that took place in this movie.

    One of the biggest problems I had with this movie was that I saw these scenes of Superman just kinda trying to find his place in the world in the trailers, and I don’t really think they did that right in the movie. Like I said, I would’ve liked to see him just kinda talk with people, get a little development and some actual thoughts from the main character, but I just don’t think we got that. You might argue that his personality was displayed in subleties (Like you mentioned how he interacted with the military general near the ending), but I just kinda think the laserbeams, explosions and devastated buildings overshadowed that pretty hardcore.

    But still, I see where you’re coming from, and if you liked the movie, I have no problem with that. For me, it just didn’t really work.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    They’re probably just tired of the VCR angle and are going to change the setting or reinvent the show somehow.

  • StopCivilisation

    Are you Adam Sandler ?

  • sepiajack

    They loved TDKR, other than the Nolan batman movies what other DC movies have there been lately besides Green Lantern?

    I doubt these guys give a rats ass about Marvel or DC. At the end of the day neither should you. There’s no need to take sides, no law that prevents us from enjoying both, or neither, or just one or the other if that’s our taste.

    Its this sports like ‘us vs them’ mentality that is ruining geekdom, and goes all the way back to the stupid ‘you can only love Star Trek OR Star Wars but not both’ arguments.

  • Michael Kennedy

    And they didn’t like Captain America and constantly make fun of Thor.

  • Gyumaoh

    Well, they touched on some of them on this review. I just feel this movie is controversial enough to qualify for a Plinkett review. The best Plinkett reviews (IMHO) were ones that ran counter to large fanbases.

  • UltimaRex

    Man of Steel is my new favourite movie of all time.

    It has also defined my split between films and movies. MOS is my favourite MOVIE. My favourite FILM is a different matter.

    But there is also a fatal flaw with it. At least for the general viewer the first time.

    I saw the negative reviews beforehand. I was… for want of a better word “scared” when I went into the cinema last Friday. Then I saw the greatest movie I have ever seen and I got angry. Why the bad reviews? Why the “too much of this”? Why the “too little of that”? Why the Reeve callbacks?

    I was ready to take them all on. I was going to set each and every “rotten” review straight telling them all how to actually do their jobs. I had quotes from Nietzsche, Frankfurt, Hawking and more lined up. It was going to be biblical.

    Then I had to explain The World Engine to a tool on AICN.

    Twice.

    And that’s the fatal flaw as far as first time critical reception goes. MOS is too “awesome”. It’s too condensed for mere mortals.

    MOS was as perfect as it could have been for me. Sure there was the slight stench of Smallvile’s arrested development in there but I knew it was going to be there and it was handled surprisingly well. Performances across the board were great with Cavill himself being the standout. He is going to be this generations Superman. I wanted Armie Hammer in the title role to hew the character closer to the “classic” Superman post n52 and Smallvile.

    Did I mention I hate Smallvile? I must have done sometime…

    But I digress. This is not the classic Superman. It was never going to be and I have to give Cavill credit for pulling it off in style. Amy Adams is given the thankless task of updating Lois Lane from “blind in love” to “knowing from the start” and nails it. Michael Shannon gives depth and even charisma to what should be a one-dimensional Zod by way of The Eradicator. All of the cast acquit themselves well with Costner and Crowe both giving a great study into what it means to be a father the latter giving the movie it’s one moment of levity with his parting advice to Lois.

    And this leads us back to the fatal flaw.

    MOS is relentless once it gets going.

    Like Grant Morrison’s retelling of Action Comics no.1 in Supergods on steroids, MOS is constant forward motion and all the intelligent plotting and repeated explanation of said plot in the world means squat if the audience isn’t given time to catch up.

    I was right at home so MOS gets five stars from me.

    But the more other people miss the plot between superpunches the less they’ll understand. The less they understand the more they’ll blame the movie. The more they blame the movie the more they’ll reject it for the rose-tinted nostalgia of STM. Even if they are still to some extent the same thing.

    There is a silver lining. People will have to see MOS a few times to “get” it. That doesn’t help the RT score but it does help repeat business/disc sales.

    Part of me still wants to blame the critics. Is the movie generally too fast and loud for it’s own good or are the “critics” (professional or not) too ADD and/or dumbed down to follow MOS?

    What do you think?

  • guestguest

    Come on… besides the old stuff and The Dark Knight trilogy, what has DC actually done right recently?! Almost all of their movies have been panned… Catwoman? Green Lantern? Jonah Hex? Steel? Watchmen? (to some degree)
    Marvel have just done a better job recently with their movies and Half in the Bag know that… there’s no bias involved…

  • Sully

    You did spot the “Spoiler: no it isn’t” tag, didn’t you?

  • Jero

    I can get that. I guess I went into this movie with low expectations and enjoyed the shit dialogue and Superman punching that dude in the face through a corn field.

  • whip

    Nah you are clearly the one who is biased an unable to see rationally. Because this review bothers you so much to resort to silly ad hominem attack to try to ruin their credibility, rather than respond to the critique.

    So many people who are fans of this movie only speak in things like “well I liked it” and lots of rationalizing all the bad stuff and personal attacks on those who dislike it.

    Just like Star Trek Into Darkness. Just like Prometheus. This shit is getting old.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    You shouldn’t have to read the comics to go see a movie about them. Especially when the character is so well ingrained in pop culture.

  • IsolateMutate

    I agree, and this is why I especially had a hard time caring about Lois Lane, a barely established character while hundreds of thousands of people were dying.

  • sepiajack

    If the critics have ADD then shouldn’t fast/louder be more appealing? Low attention spans usually have trouble with slower, quieter not the reverse.

  • sepiajack

    Exactly. In fact in a court case you could probably make a better argument they are anti-marvel given the amount of Marvel movies they have panned compared to DC, this being the first.

  • whip

    “dark and gritty” really is just code for “appealing to angsty, anti-social youths” because that’s a large demographic to target.

    You know how so many people hate hipsters.. when they themselves are hipsters? Ya…

  • Ғalldog

    Everyone keeps focusing on that final act but I think the subtitles and development which was in the movie is being glossed over at the same time people are complaining that there wasn’t any. I’m not sure what people want. There’s great dialog with his dad, with his biological father, with Lois, and with the military. Everything works together to paint a fine picture. There’s even a scene with the priest which is pretty much lays out Clark’s shift in direction and people complain about that. I guess folks want another Spiderman-esk montage of people interviewed on their thoughts regarding Superman.

  • Semantics

    To be fair, there are a number of things in the review that they do rightly criticize as well. Like the suit, and where did it come from or why was it on a 20,000 year old colony ship? The truth is that the movie did have some weird, and sometimes laughable, moments of inconsistency that forced the plot along.

    That said, I also think they overlooked most of the positive aspects of the movie, which for me, greatly outweighed the minor flaws.

    Even so, remember that these reviews are also entertainment, and so while I’m sure RLM is trying to give an honest opinion, they are also entertaining you. I enjoyed the review, but I disagreed with it, and much of what they had to say.

  • bubba

    Rich Evans> Everything

  • Norminator

    *Click play – fullscreen – HD*
    *clink!*
    “Half in the baaag”
    Aaaahhhhhhhhh

  • whip

    OH look, another DC fanboy so far down the rabbit hole he thinks everyone else is the biased fanboy. Such disconnect from reality and inability to realize what is the moderate, middle of the road opinion anymore. Way too biased for that. Everything is filtered through that lense.

  • Semantics

    Were you trying to be ironic, or was that unintentional?

  • illuminatedwax

    Oh and the movie kept telling us how the WORLD WOULD CHANGE…and then nothing really happens outside of a city being destroyed and the government spying on Superman. Clark Kent goes right back to work to a miraculously rebuilt Daily Planet and it’s not clear that anything of consequence happened after Superman saved the day. This film has too many crimes to mention.

  • whip

    Oh look, more ad hominem and straw man attacks.

    This is all that the people who like the movie have to offer it seems. Just like Into Darkness and Prometheus, it’s immediately obvious which side is rational, and which side is butt hurt whimpering fanboys.

    All they can do is attack the people making the review and invent reasons for why they hate it. They don’t take on the critiques at all. Just the critics.

  • sepiajack

    Wow someone down voted this? Was your dad the sound editor???

  • illuminatedwax

    There were some cool scenes but they were all undercut. The best scene in the movie was when Zod first addressed the Earth. It was really creepy and well done — and then halfway through the screen some idiot shouts “ITS COMING THROUGH THE RSS FEEDS!!” and ruins it. Did they hire the tech experts from CSI for that line?

  • Gyumaoh

    There just shouldn’t have been a Zod at all. He was only a minor villain in the comics until Superman II came out. The iconic Zod is the one from Superman II. That just forces people to compare the two films.

  • SomeoneElseTookDude

    My body is ready

  • SmarterThanYou

    They didn’t like the Amazing Spiderman, but liked the Dark Knight Rises, and you say they’re biased towards Marvel? Good job.

  • Jun X

    my favorite part of the movie was when people in the theater with me cheered and clapped when Superman snapped Zod’s neck. I’m sure some people were sarcastically clapping…the guy behind me wasn’t. That was really disturbing and kind of made a hilariously wrong movie into something truly creepy and illuminating about the people in the theater with me.

  • sepiajack

    I wish I could upvote this 10x

  • Asinus

    So what you’re saying is that you’re 15 – 17 years old and just got around to abstract thought? And now you’re able to think abstractly about the concept of “free” and think you’re the only one who sees this sort of quid-pro-quo as a sort of payment (in that you’re trading 30 seconds for 39 minutes of entertainment)?

    We all get the concept, but we also still believe it’s free because we don’t lose anything substantial. That’s like saying that the christmas gifts you get aren’t free because you had to take the time to go downstairs and open them.

  • IsolateMutate

    I’m so glad someone else pointed the snap zooms out. They were really distracting for me, and totally took me out of the movie and kinda ruined any kind of immersion the movie would’ve otherwise displayed.

  • Jason

    Man Of Steel is not only the best movie of the summer, it is the best movie EVER MADE of any genre. I am not joking, it’s true. It is exhilirating, visceral, full of action and heart and emotion… There were so many philosophical and political themes brought up that most superhero movies wouldn’t even dream of being able to do justice to, including the absolute TRASH Marvel keeps churning out. I have no idea why critics, including RLM, can’t see this. It is one of the deepest superhero films ever made. I think you guys are just too cynical and heartless to see it, and I’m not trying to be cute with that comment. I think anyone who dislikes this movie is a fucking dick or a biased Marvel fan, which is what RLM seems to be a bit of both.

  • sepiajack

    It’s even poorly edited with the evacuation scenes. Why did the people wait that long to leave? As soon as the ship hovered over the city I’d be out of there.

  • whip

    “Normally I’m a fan of these guys” oh shut the fuck up.

    THis is a stupid logical fallacy. It’s an appeal of some kind. I am too lazy too look it up. But no one gives a shit if you agree with them 1% or 99% of the time previous. That’s just some means of trying to make your own argument stronger.

    It presumes that you are a genius with perfect taste, and in the past these guys have been with you (so they are ok) but now that they turn against you, obviously they suck. Because only your opinion actually matters.

    Their’s no longer matter if it contradicts yours.

    Why don’t you fanboys just STFU and go fap to the movie.

  • SomeoneElseTookDude

    RIP

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    It sounds like you’re a diehard Super Man fan that will eat up anything so long as it has the Super Man logo on it. You’re delighted that Super Man got a big high-budget action movie, which is understandable, yet fail to realize the movie itself just isn’t very good. It’s like when the Dark Knight came out, and everyone lost their shit about it, when it’s an OK movie at best.

  • Just another guy

    Greatest room trashing scene since Citizen Kane. You fuck that room up Rich.

  • rikkibarnes

    Nobody laughed, clapped, or cheered at anything in my theater (there weren’t many people there, though, since it was a morning showing). It was dead silent throughout. On my way back from the bathroom, I saw a lot of bored kids and depressed looking people, though.

  • sepiajack

    Back in my day, the postal service just delivered the mail, they didn’t give concerts, and that’s how I liked it thank you very much.

  • guest

    “I am not joking”

    HOLY SHIT GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY!

  • Semantics

    Well I think that goes more towards the entertainment side of what RLM does. I always enjoy their reviews, the Plinkett ones and Half in the Bag. I’d be curious to see a critical look at the movie and a break down of its scenes, as they often do with the Plinkett reviews though. I think in this case I’d probably take it with a grain of salt because I enjoy the movie so I’m inclined to forgive its shortcomings.

  • illuminatedwax

    You sure say a whole lot about how phenomenal everyone’s acting skill was when it seems like everyone else was entirely unmoved by their performances. Lois Lane isn’t “knowing from the start”, she’s a blank shell of a woman that serves (as HITB says) as a tool to deliver expository dialogue and for Superman to kiss at the end. Zod has just one dimension: the angry soldier that will stop at nothing to do literally one thing.

    The movie was entirely unemotional: all the “emotion” in the movie is manipulative. Look it’s a father sacrificing himself for his son! Sure, that’s emotional if you have a father, but it’s lazy, cheap, manipulative shorthand for actually caring about the Jonathan Kent character. The movie relies solely on this crutch, and probably does so because it’s so condensed.

    Condensing a movie doesn’t make it better. This movie was a collection of speeches preaching the gospel of Superman in between action sequences. I think comic fans (the ones that can get past the superficial alterations) like this movie because they already know the depth of the Superman character in the comics. This movie is nothing more than a pamphlet for the Superman comics.

    What movie were you watching, and can you share it with us so we can forget this pile of crap that was this movie?

  • illuminatedwax

    Also between this and Smallville, does NO ONE have any knowledge of basic tornado safety? YOU DON’T HIDE UNDER AN OVERPASS.

  • rikkibarnes

    >>I think in this case I’d probably take it with a grain of salt because I enjoy the movie so I’m inclined to forgive its shortcomings.<<

    I'm sure that's what a lot of Star Wars prequel fans say, only a bit more foaming at the mouth.

  • sepiajack

    This reminds me of a time back in 2002 when a guy tried to convince me that Attack of the Clones was the deepest and most richly layered film of all time. When I asked for examples he said: “the first scene is foggy, which symbolizes that this story is a mystery and nothing is what it seems”

  • whip

    OH look, it’s the “biased Marvel fan” strawman bullshit again.

    You guys don’t actually have an ability to speak about the movie itself, do you? Just ad hominem and strawman fallacies.

    It’s entirely obvious which side is rational on this.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    As a DC fanboy I guess anyone with a dissenting opinion must be a Marvel fanboy, right? I doubt Mike or Jay even read comics for fuck’s sake. Many of us in our 30s didn’t grow up reading comics – does that mean we shouldn’t have an opinion on comic book movies?

  • rikkibarnes

    lol. I’m sure that was priceless, wasn’t it?

  • IsolateMutate

    I honestly can’t say much more here than “I disagree”. I thought the first dialogue with his dad was fine, and I didn’t really mind his biological dad either, but it was all so quick and empty, IMO. The dialogue with Lois felt too expository for the most part, and when it wasn’t, it was very brief. I don’t think it’s bad on its own, but given the pacing and structure of the movie, I just don’t think it fit in very well. I would’ve liked a simpler structure in the beginning (I would’ve honestly liked to see Clark talk a bit more to his coeds at the diner or more of something that really displayed his heart like the oil fire scene), and less “LET’S DESTROY EVERYTHING” in the action scenes. I don’t think it was AS bad as RLM are saying it is, but it just didn’t really strike the right notes for what it was going for.. ..in my eyes, anyway. Like I said, I’m fine with the fact that a lot of people liked it, it just didn’t really feel like a very personal movie to me, if that make any sense.

  • John Doe

    Second time I’ve disagreed with RLM….in a row! What’s happening. Whatever. They just seem nostalgic about Superman 2. If I recall, Zod’s death in that was far more cruel and out of place.

  • sepiajack

    Yes, my response was something to the effect of: “You’re a first year film student aren’t you?” and then recommended a list of quality films he should check out, because he clearly hadn’t had the bar set very high for him.

  • Andrew

    What’s at 847 Hauser St.?

  • whip

    YOU SAY BAD THING ABOUT MOVIE. THAT NO GOOD. OF COURSE DOWN VOTE.

    DUH/

  • sepiajack

    I barely remember Superman2, all I remember is they got to Niagara falls, Lois jumps in to prove he is superman, um… zod and crew kill astronauts on the moon, Lex luthor in an hot air balloon, fortress of solitude switcheroo…

    how does Zod die in that?

  • Sully

    No, I think people were generally wanting to see Superman save the day, but instead bore witness to a Super Killing Spree. I mean, the exposition specifically stated that the “World Engine” and Zod’s ship where working in tandem to condense Earth’s mass, yet Superman circles the globe to fight a laser snake out in the middle of FUCKING NOWHERE!! instead of staying in Metropolis to handle the ship that’s juggling people, buildings, and cars like as if it where a Kryptonian Circus Clown.

    I mean seriously, if the machines are working together, wouldn’t it make more sense to destroy Zod’s ship, the one that’s actually killing everything defined under “noun”, and THEN worry about the World Engine? He might’ve saved a few million people in the process. And then, when he decided it was time to take on Zod, why not lead him out of the populated area instead of playing ‘Rampage’ (remember that game?) throughout the city?

  • Siriusds

    First time I’ve disagreed with half in the bag. Man of Steel wasn’t a perfect movie, but it wasn’t as bad as they made out.

    Liked it more than the dark knight rises, mainly because I can understand what the villain says.

  • Gyumaoh

    The few Prequel fans left will foam at the mere mention of the word “Plinkett”. Try it out on a Star Wars forum sometime, it’s pretty funny.

  • John Doe

    Superman violently crushes his hand then throws him down into a hole, possibly where he breaks all his bones. In that situation, superman could have definitely made a different choice. Anyways, I really like Man of Steel and am getting kind of sick of it when people start bashing on you for liking something. I don’t mind people not liking this, but comparing it to the originals, which honestly weren’t that great, is stupid. I really hope we get more DC movies because I am sick of seeing fucking marvel movies over and over.

  • Sully

    Superman steals his powers, breaks his hand, and then drops him into some dry ice smoke.

  • Semantics

    I’m going to have to disagree with you about Zod. In the Richard Donner Superman 2, Zod was so one dimensional his character is conveniently summed up by the “Kneel before Zod” line everyone remembers. This movie had a lot of muted characters, but I think Zod is more complex than you’re giving him credit.

    In the opening scenes it appeared to me that he almost had some history with Jor-El, but he does establish his relentless drive to “preserve Krypton” by any means necessary, and that tends to drive his arc through the movie. But I think if you’re assuming he was just a power hungry, crazy villain from the get go. Quite to the contrary, look at it from the position of a Kryptonian. The man was a hero in every sense of the word. He sacrificed and struggled to always do what he thought was right, what he thought would save his race and culture. He only becomes a villain to us because he doesn’t care about Earth or human culture. He sought only to save his people, and Superman quite literally destroyed any chance he had of doing so. Kal-El ended any hope of reviving Krypton, in any sense, and it drove Zod insane.

    For a villain, I thought he was fantastic, and had a great deal more to the character than any previous iteration of him.

  • rikkibarnes

    In the TV version, the arctic police are shown escorting the three Kryptonians out, though. Not sure why that was cut from the original (maybe Richard Lester added/omitted it?), but it exists and implies that maybe they were not brutally killed.

  • Dan

    You fucking morons hated this movie and liked Dark Knight Rises? What’s wrong with you?

  • http://faddlechud.tumblr.com/ Faddlechud

    Oh, fuck yes. I’d rather watch Puma Man than Man of Steel any day.

  • UltimaRex

    By which time the World Engine would have killed everyone anyway. I mean, I understand why you’re confused. As I said, MOS is relentless.

  • phillipkslick

    You’re right, he didn’t save anyone, except the planet and billions of human beings and the wee little animals that inhabit Earth with us.

  • UltimaRex

    I hate Smallvile so no, I won’t “eat up anything so long as it has the Superman logo on it.”

  • Dude

    Sully can you calm the fuck down for a second? Yeah, you disagreed with RLM, big fucking deal. Just stop clogging the chat with your retarded fan-rage.

  • UltimaRex

    At the expense of the plot…

  • Semantics

    If it was a choice between hiding under an overpass and standing in an open field, I’d go with the overpass.

    Also, I really enjoyed that scene because it didn’t turn out as I expected it would. Again, adding complex moral dilemmas to Superman is, at least in my mind, only a good thing.

  • whip

    Nah, you are just a great example of how bias can skew perspective.

    Your argument is basically the same as the idiotic thing people say on forums that “you are complaining about complaining”. An effort to discredit or minimalize what someone is saying by reducing it to just being the same as what they are attacking.

    These people came here and their only argument has been that these guys are Marvel fanboys, or otherwise attacking them.

    Pointing out that that is all they have is not my own form of ad hominem attack. Pointing out that they do not offer any solid or tangible rebuttal is not my own “doing the exact same thing they did”.

    It’s a direct response to THEIR charges.

    In fact, you are simply engaging in further ad hominem by your comment. I think that actual irony is lost on YOU.

    You are just trying to discredit me, and therefore my comments.

    Anything to avoid actually talking about the movie I guess.

    And don’t pull that “there you go again” card. I’m responding to what YOU are saying. You set the conversational agenda there. I am responding directly to it.

    I don’t need to talk about the movie in these posts. I’m not the one who suggests logical fallacies and personal attacks/strawman rationales for why these guys didn’t like the movie. I’m responding to charges that are fallacious, and stating as much.

  • TheDVDGrouch

    In my theater there was 2 VonDutch hat wearing dude bros behind me in theater & at that moment they literally “Ooooh Dammmm. My jaw hit the floor at that point and stayed there.

  • Alexandria Sanders

    Thank you!! Lois didn’t need to be on that ship. Why she was eve told to go confused the living hell outta me. They make up this bull excuse sort of, she mentioned they looked at her head. But they definitely didn’t need to do that, as it was already in Clark’s head. And then, when Lois was being brought up with Clark, she acted almost as if she knew she was going to go because she kind of silently brags she has that superman logo thingy that brings up the image of Russell Crowe. Confusing.

  • Larrylongballs

    You know, jesus was Jewish.

  • guest

    Well, in the one I saw, superman threw him down a hole to die…

  • Semantics

    Why does your comment assume I’m the original poster? I merely asked if you were being ironic because you pointed out a logical fallacy, and then proceeded to use the same fallacy in your response.

    Perhaps you should calm down a bit.

  • rikkibarnes

    Yeah. It was cut from the theatrical release for some reason. Not sure if it was Lester/the producer’s decision to add or cut it. Regardless, it is still in existance in some form.

  • John Doe

    I don’t really understand why I’m getting downvotes…. Is what I said not true? Zod was murdered in Superman 2 right? I just don’t understand the hate toward this movie. Same as I don’t understand the love for Iron Man 3. It was a jumbled mess. Sure, this was clunky, but it was the best we are gonna’ get for a while. As long as they start making more DCU movies I’ll be happy. Just put more thought into them. I’m fine with their opinion, but isn’t hating on me for liking this the same as hating on those who don’t?

  • guest

    lulz

  • Sully

    Who’s confused? You seem to be lacking in the logic department.

    The World Engine basically changes the atmosphere while helping a second ship condense the planet, thus increasing its mass. This is clear in the dialogue. They HAVE. TO. WORK. TOGETHER.
    Without Zod’s ship, the world engine would only be able to change the atmosphere, which would take a while, AND Kryptonian air isn’t terribly lethal to begin with (remember Clark lasted several minutes breathing in a 100% dose).

    Superman’s objectives (what they should’ve been):

    (1). Destroy Zod’s ship = Save Metropolis
    (2). Fly to other side of planet to engage World Engine.
    It’s a remote place and Zod and Crew would be sure to follow.
    (3.) Engage laser snake and Kryptonians, while military drops the Kryptonian payload, thus sucking up all of the non-Earth baddies.
    (4.) Kiss the girl.

  • Semantics

    Haha, yeah I can imagine they were. I love those reviews though, and I think they’re pretty spot on. Again, I’d like to see the Plinkett review of Man of Steel because even if I disagree with it, I’ll probably learn a little something about movies and how they’re made.

  • John Doe

    Dark Knight Rises fucking ruled!

  • Rich Evans Fan

    In the beginning there was Rich Evans, God tried to create something better, so he created the universe. Didnt come close

  • Ralph

    You took the words right out of my mouth. I agree with everything you guys said. Except the end. I enjoyed in a sort of over the top campy way.

  • Jakx118

    I guess they forgot about the world…I mean, it is a very small plot point and it’s easy to gloss over it…lol

  • Jakx118

    Exactly how I enjoyed it. I really hope this spawns more decent DC movies.

  • Micheal Stribling

    Aw, I was hoping that this was actually going to be good. I guess I’ll just watch All-Star Superman again to get my Superman fix.

  • startrekmike

    I think the critical division on this film (between those who absolutely love it and those who hated it) often revolves around the basic tone as it compares to the other Superman films, that is the problem, this has NOTHING to do with the previous films, anyone who goes into this film expecting the kind of camp and tongue and cheek humor that we saw in Superman I,II,III, IV and even Returns is just not going to be happy with it, personally, I find that slightly unfair.

    This movie has it’s problems, I won’t pretend that it is god’s gift to film or anything like that but I do think that it deserves to be judged on it’s own merits, in fact, as someone who reads Superman comics, I could see what books they were drawing inspiration from and that made me really happy, I was glad that they moved away from the camp and humor of the first series of film (though I don’t think those films were bad because of that camp and humor, don’t get me wrong) since it allowed us to really explore some of the heavier Superman concepts.

    This is not a bad film, it is if you want and expect a Richard Donner style film but that is fine because it is NOT a Richard Donner film, it is a Zach Snyder film and we know (from The Watchmen) that he does not do campy, that is not what he was trying to do at all.

    Again, it’s not perfect and it has it’s glaring flaws but I don’t think it is correct to act like this film has to follow the same outdated formula of the other Superman films, that was never it’s goal and nor should it have been.

  • Jakx118

    Preach it!

  • Rich Evans Fan

    Every movie is someone’s favourie movie

  • Jakx118

    Wow, you’ve decided if it’s good or bad based on what they say?! how bout’ you actually see it yourself and form your own opinion? Dur.

  • Sully

    True, but to “moviegoers” he’s a must do, and that’s all studios care about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sed1er Seid Pepic

    This movie was a huge piece of shit. I am honestly shocked they allowed this to be played in theaters.

  • Mark Bisone

    Whoa, was Rich Evans actually drinking a beer in this?

    Is this movie is so goddamn terrible it’s driven Mormons to drink?

  • buttfart

    The construction worker in this episode looked oddly familiar. Was he related to Mr. Plinkett in some way?

  • Sully

    Who da fuck let the hipster in?

  • nkutz

    Couldn’t disagree more. I really appreciate you guys’ input on movies, but I feel like I have a completely reversed view on Comic book movies. I’ve seen campy superheroes all my life, and I want that character study in a well-written story.

    BTW, if Superman is fighting several aliens who are every bit as strong as he is, he doesn’t have time to save citizens. He’s saving the world from murderous, increasingly vengeful aliens who promise they will kill EVERYONE. If he’s going fast enough to escape enemy attacks, he’s slice any distressed citizens in half

  • sepiajack

    Yeesh that is rough. To be fair I’ve never really liked any of the superman movies

  • Crude

    Archie Bunker’s house is just down the street at 704 Hauser St.

  • sepiajack

    I’m not saying that is a good approach, I’m just pointing out that his argument that the reason critics don’t like the movie doesn’t make sense.

  • pooper

    I suppose the biggest reason I didn’t give a shit in this movie is that… Zod isn’t a bad guy. He was programmed to be that way (the movie said so). Why the movie couldn’t have focused on redeeming Zod I’ll never know… Yanoe, just something where Zod goes ‘I was born for this!!!’ Superman is like… ‘ohh… well duh that’s why you’re acting like a bitch, what if we tried to change that side of you??’ and they save both races instead of Superman just turning around killing the last of his own people.

  • sepiajack

    Oh right, I forgot

  • Jakx118

    I do believe Zod had many chances to turn back, but whatever.

  • Sully

    Jor-El: “You can save them, Kal. All of them….. except for those people in Metropolis… and… and those in Smallville. They’re fucked. The rest should be fine… I think. You might want to think about changing your name after this though.”

  • phillipkslick

    I can understand people not liking this movie, but I think the main reason for the excessive hate is that the Richard Donner films were so iconic, that that’s what everyone wants from a Superman movie.

  • Kevin Baird

    I’m a bigger fan of light hearted action movies like Iron Man or The Avengers but I thought Man of Steel was pretty good for what it was trying to do. I wasn’t a fan that they were doing a darker version of the story in the first place but I went into the movie knowing that and came out enjoying it for the most part. And I totally agree with you about Iron Man 3… it was funny but they could have toned down the comedy at least at the ending.

  • Kevin Baird

    You sir, are awesome.

  • Constantine1985

    To hell with kids. Kids should be at home, not at the movies. If you get kids in the movies you get shit like A Phantom Menace. Anyway, nice having Half in the Bag again.

  • guest

    RLM has been tainted with them being Marvel Comics fanboys. Look at the evidence:

    Iron Man 3: Both Mike and Jay recommend it
    The Avengers: Mike and Jay recommend it
    The Amazing Spider-man: They recommend it to teenagers
    Captain America: They recommend it
    Thor: They recommend it (not sure why they “make fun of it” now, probably to look less biased)
    X-Men First Class: They recommend it

    Look at what they give DC movies:

    The Dark Knight Rises: They don’t recommend it
    Man Of Steel: They don’t recommend it

    How the fuck are they not biased against DC COmics? Stupid hive mind of Marvelite shitbags.

  • Fuck you

    Anti-ad-block software that elongates the 30 second ad time to 90 seconds of waiting? Fuck off!

  • sdfs

    and the ten zillion kryptonian fetuses he aborted unlawfully

  • Beioik

    lol the ending was awesome

  • Jakx118

    They both loved TDKR and they called Captain America and TASM pieces of shit….The only 2 I really disagree with them on were Man of Steel and Iron Man 3.

  • Sully

    Word.

  • BobFromPhilly

    cause DC sucks dick… bunch of emo crap – wanna be “Deep” movies – smh.

  • SmarterThanYou

    What’s really funny is that you’re comparing Marvel’s six movies to DC’s two.

  • pooper 2

    Yeah but they didn’t address the core reason for his actions… which I felt would have made a much more interesting and complex film, but whatever.

  • sepiajack

    A clever victory for Superman would be to point out to Zod that since he (superman) is now all that remains of Krypton, it’s Zod’s responsibility to PROTECT him (superman) at all cost.

    That would have been great.

  • pooper 3 the return of

    Or that!

  • Fuck you2

    I’m so sorry that you have to wait 30 seconds to help pay the creaters who give you this *FREE* content.

    Grow a sack.

  • illuminatedwax

    That’s why they need to learn about tornado safety, because people clearly think that an overpass is safe!! From NOAA: “The idea that overpasses offer safety probably began in 1991, when a television news crew and some citizens rode out a very weak tornado under an overpass along the Kansas Turnpike. The resulting video continues to be seen by millions, and appears to have fostered the idea that overpasses are preferred sources of shelter, and should be sought out by those in the path of a tornado. In addition, news magazine photographs of people huddled under an overpass with an approaching tornado imply that this is the correct safety procedure. Nothing can be further from the truth!”

    Real tornado safety tip: if you are driving in a tornado and can’t outrun it (hint: drive perpendicular to its path, not away) you should get out of the car, and lie down in a ditch a good distance away from your car.

  • guessst

    The colony ship was piloted by a house of El ancestor, Kara Zor-El.

    Of course, this ONLY shows up in the prequel comic, so it’s kind of a thing that no-one knows from the movie itself.

  • Jakx118

    Oh fuck you, go back to kiddie flicks. The dark knight trilogy beats anything marvel has ever put out. But just my opinion, dick bag.

  • Dickard Porkins

    They did recommend The Dark Knight Rises. They also took a major league shit on Captain America, you cock juggling homo.

  • crudbudman

    what a new and original sentiment.

  • rikkibarnes

    Yes, let’s take someone who uses ‘dickbag’ at the end of their sentence seriously. I guess those ‘deep’ DC movies didn’t teach you anything on not being immature and crass.

  • sepiajack

    The engineered kryptonian society is one of the few really interesting ideas in the movie

  • d

    a good film if you are 12 :)

  • William Merrill

    To be honest I was never really a fan of Nolan’s. The Dark Knight and Inception are the only two movies of his that I can safely say I liked.

    That being said, I admittedly enjoyed this film. I’ll be the first to admit that it has several issues but I can’t in good conscious say that its a bad movie.

    First and foremost, I think we can all agree that Hans Zimmer did a fantastic job with the new score. Stepping in the shoes of John Williams is no easy task, and considering the standards he was being put up against, I thought he delivered beyond expectation.

    Second, while one can argue it may have been overdone, the action in this film is nothing short of spectacular. Perhaps the best there has been in the genre. A lot of critics make the mistake of attributing a film’s problems to its action when in reality, its a lot more complicated than that. There are some instances where I think people unintentionally give Michael Bay credit for inventing the explosion and action scene to the point that any film that has explosions and action scenes automatically warrants a comparison to his films. People forget the issue of Bay’s films boiled down to their horrible stories, gut-wrenching moments of dialogue, and pathetic attempts at humor. The action didn’t make his movies bad, and it doesn’t automatically make other movies bad either.

    You can point to any other issue regarding character development and inconsistencies, but please don’t come home with the same dumb criticism of “THERE WERE SO MANY ACTION SCENES AND EXPLOSIONS I FELT LIKE I WAS WATCHING A MICHAEL BAY FILM! DUR!” just because you can’t justify your cynical attitude towards the film. If a film that’s 50% action and explosions is bad, timeless masterpieces like Saving Private Ryan are overrated, and classics like Terminator or just big dumb movies made for teenagers. It’s a really tired point of contention among critics who really need to get over themselves.

    Though I hate coming in with this cliched line, I’ll just say it for the lack of better words; What did you expect? One of the number one complaints I hear against this movie is that its “Just another superhero movie.” Was it supposed to be more? I’ll be honest in saying that Tony Stark and Peter Parker are the only two individuals in the comic to live action film genre that I’ll go as far as saying that I love as characters. To me Superman never is and was anymore or less interesting than Thor, Captain America, or The Hulk. And that’s okay because the theme behind those characters isn’t about liking them as much as its about being them. Call me a drooling fanboy moron, but seeing Superman accomplish amazing feats and beating the crap out of bad guys ushers in long lost feelings of fun and joy that I haven’t experienced since being a child. And that’s bad why?

    And last but not least, your claim that “He doesn’t save anyone” is completely wrong. He saved a bus full of kids, about a dozen or so workers on an oil rig, and kept Zod from killing billions of people at the expense of wiping out the last hope his race had for survival. If that doesn’t embody heroic sacrifice and everything Superman stands for, I’m not sure what does.

    I’ll admit, it has several glaring problems. But none of the same exact issues that we’ve seen a billion times in other superhero films bring this one down and it shouldn’t be slammed for things that other movies tend to get away with. In the end, I’ll just let history decide the fate of this film. Wouldn’t be the first time a film with initially mixed to bad reviews ended up becoming an integral part of cinematic history.

  • LukeMM95

    It’s pretty sad when the ending to Half in the Bag is more emotional than the entirety of Man of Steel.

  • MarveliteHunter27

    What did you expect from the retards who gave Iron Man 3, The Avengers, and Dredd positive reviews? These two are clueless fucking idiots who don’t understand good comic book movies.

  • illuminatedwax

    “He sacrificed and struggled to always do what he thought was right, what he thought would save his race and culture.”

    That’s the problem: we don’t really see that in the movie. All we see is a guy that is willing to do anything to save his people. Just because that doesn’t make his villainy black-and-white, that doesn’t make him any less of a one dimensional character. “I’m doing this bad thing for the greater good” doesn’t add character depth, and is such a common trope that people assume depth based on the countless other characters with that trait.

    We don’t see why he’s so devoted to his people. We don’t learn anything about his past, or see him express any emotions beyond rage that he can’t do what he wants. He has no arc; he went from enraged to REALLY enraged.

    This isn’t a race against Superman 2; you have to judge this movie on its own merit. And what I got from RLM here is that at least the one-dimensional Zod in S2 was *fun.*

  • Semantics

    See, I didn’t even know there was a prequel comic. To be fair though, it’s a legitimate complaint when it comes to the movie, as movies tend to be stand alone packages. That generally only changes when you can be well assured that the audience is bringing preexisting knowledge about something into the movie.

    I’m glad there’s an explanation for it, and again, I simply gave it a pass when I watched the movie, but they do just gloss over getting him the suit and getting him into it rather quickly.

  • CorbeauNoir

    False Ending: The Movie

  • Jakx118

    Well, they have admitted to being hack frauds….for the lulz

  • rikkibarnes

    I can chalk up the hate on IM3 and Avengers to ‘Marvel hate’, but what the hell is your problem with Dredd? Or are you too dumb to realize it’s NOT Marvel based?

  • pooper 4

    Okay, so if those movies aren’t good comic book movies, what IS a good comic book movie in your eyes?

  • CorbeauNoir

    The sad thing is that I know people who say stuff like this about every new overhyped blockbuster that comes out, then proceeds to completely forget it ever existed as soon as the next one comes out.

  • Shit

    Yeah, and shit like Toy Story and Finding Nemo. What pieces of shit those were.

  • Jakx118

    I never said to take me seriously, but calling calling the dark knight emo crap really gives me the impression he has no fucking idea what a movie is…

  • MarveliteHunter27

    Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Green Lantern, Man Of Steel. Those are true masterpieces.

  • illuminatedwax

    To be honest, the only way this movie is any good is if you view it in the context of the comics. It acts as a primer to the Superman comic books. Judged on its own merit, it’s a movie with no emotion and no depth. It might as well be as alien as Superman.

  • snoahpeas

    This is the mindset of the people who enjoyed it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7kc_YFkwBQ

    The two reviews are like night and day.

  • Jakx118

    Iron Man 3 actually wasn’t good though….so there is that.

  • Sully

    I didn’t disagree with RLM, and you aren’t even replying to me with your comment, so WTF to that shit.

  • pooper 5

    Okay now I know you’re just a troll… sneaking Green Lantern in there like nobody would notice, you’ve been caught! :P

  • MarveliteHunter27

    GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU BITCH. DREDD IS NOT MARVEL AND I KNEW THAT BUT IT IS STILL A PIECE OF SHIT WITH NO DEPTH OR EMOTION AT ALL. YOU;’RE THE ONE TOO DUMB TO REALIZE THAT THOSE MOVIES ARE GARBAGE. STUPID ASS.

  • Jakx118
  • CorbeauNoir

    Wow, there are people out there so filled with sniveling insignificant minutae-extracting nerd-rage that they actually hated Dredd. I genuinely pity your complete and utter inability to have fun.

  • MarveliteHunter27

    I’d say that they actually are.

  • This guy lol

    Guess I’ll be the outcast here. This is the first review by them I didn’t agree with. It’s interesting though, that they have fewer bad things to say about the Marvel movies. Not sure if coincidence, but there it is.

  • MarveliteHunter27

    GL is a good movie. It’s idiots like you who don’t see that.

  • rikkibarnes

    According to you? I have no reason to take you or MarveliteHunter27 seriously at all.

  • FuckFanboys

    Lol, did you even watch their review of The Dark Knight Rises? They talked about some of its flaws but overall they thought it was a good movie and recommended it. Also, you seem to have forgotten that they hated The Amazing Spider-Man.

  • pooper 6

    OH FUCK OFF!! Jesus… they liked The Dark Knight trilogy… and pretty much everyone can agree they are the only good DC movies in recent memory… so it makes PERFECT sense they have said better things about the Marvel movies… there are more of them and they are generally better! Jesus christ!!

  • CorbeauNoir

    It’s gotten me to thinking, I do agree with them calling the movie the most sobering, overly-serious, overstuffed IHOP ad ever made, but I wish there were more instances where they disagreed on their opinion on a movie. Most of the time they seem to just reinforce one another’s thoughts, and while they’re presented very well I sometimes wish there was more debate involved.

  • Jakx118

    Am I the only one who misses half in the bags that focus on movies like galaxy invader and troll 2? Half in the Bag has become just like mini reviews for new movies. I don’t know, just wish, other than best of the worst, they would do some old movies.

  • rikkibarnes

    I don’t think you do either, sweetheart.

  • Semantics

    Well, actually he goes from a guy willing to do anything to save his people, to a guy hell bent on destroying Earth simply to spite the man who sacrificed his entire race to save the Earth.

    I never said it was a grand and fulfilling character arc, but it is an arc. And I think drawing a comparison to other iterations of the character is not an unfair way to judge this one. But even within the context of just this movie, I still disagree with you on Zod being a completely one dimensional character.

    I do agree that we don’t really get to see enough of him to develop a strong sense of the arc he undergoes, but I think it’s a little unfair to sum his character development up into him being enraged then really enraged. I actually didn’t even consider him to be enraged at all until the final scenes. He just seemed intensely driven in his purpose. Being stoic or even intense is not the same as being a cardboard cutout.

    Again, many of the characters in Man of Steel were very muted, very unlike what you’d see from RDJ in Iron Man, but that doesn’t make them one dimensional. I don’t think you’re wrong about the fact that there could have been more, or they could have developed the characters better, but I do disagree with the general statement that Zod was uninteresting or one dimensional. He was interesting to me, and I thought he was great in the movie.

  • CorbeauNoir

    But…that’s the entire point of Best of the Worst. They created a whole new segment exclusively to focus on those kinds of movies.

  • MicManGuy

    I’m not a superman fan. The only superman I’ve ever seen was the kids WB one. Didn’t really care for it, but it was watchable. This is unwatchable for the first 2/3rds of the movie. The movie has no point. It has no focus. Most of all, it has no pacing.

  • pooper 7: this shits old

    Haha, okay the joke is over now dude :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/sed1er Seid Pepic

    You guys forgot to bring up the fact that all the action scenes were filmed too close up and shaky cam. Along with the fact that superman flies through zods spaceship and destroys it but punching zods armor a thousand times didn’t damage it(shoulda built the ship out of that armor). Or the fact that if Jor El had uploaded his consciousness before he dies, how did the hologram Jor El know about his death since it was uploaded before? I’m glad i wasn’t the only one irritated by the product placements. Way too many unsubtle ones. You didn’t even bring up the Tornado that killed Johnathan Kent. A tornado that came out of nowhere. Guess a heart attack wasn’t enough boom boom for the audience. Also the CGI has got to be the worse looking CGI have seen in a while. I guess that’s why they had the shaky cam, to hide the ugly.

  • Joe Soap

    They aren’t Siskel & Ebert.

  • AlexS66

    One minute these guys are talking about how movies assume the audiences are stupid, so they have to show us everything. Next minute they say ‘they didnt show us superman saving people, how am i supposed to know he’s a good guyyy?’

    Missed the point of the film entirely. Superman is a god on earth, he doesnt save cats from trees, he is the heaviest hitter of them all, and when shit hits the fan, the city is going to be wrecked, we aren’t talking Hawkeye here.

  • Jakx118

    don’t see a lot of movies huh? You can say all the bad things you want but really? The worst looking CGI…Really…Give meh a break.

  • Jakx118

    did you just angrily reply to yourself?

  • leone83

    Great review i hated this movie so bad. I like your review because i agree with you the 90% of the times

  • CorbeauNoir

    So that means they aren’t allowed to have two different responses to a film?

    They’re not a hive-mind, they’re two separate people. They’re ALLOWED to have different thoughts.

  • asfd

    They loved The Dark Knight Rises and hated The Amazing Spider-man. You DC fanboys need to calm down and accept that everyone has their own opinion so some people aren’t going to love Man of Steel.

  • Jakx118

    According to a lot of people, but whatever. I don’t know how you can walk with a blind fold over your eyes.

  • Semantics

    Are they allowed to though? I mean…how do you know?

  • CorbeauNoir

    Que? I’m using adblock and there’s no delay at all

  • Constantine1985

    Well, I see your point. I should have made mine clearer. I have no qualms with “kids movies” (the incredibles, toy story and all that), but it pisses me off when filmmakers try to make a movie that will please a 40 year old man as much as an 8 year kid – I’m sure someone will bring up a nice great movie that can please old people as much as younglings (Goonies, E.T., Superman?), but these are gems, crafted by really good filmmakers, nowadays, in the state of the industry, hoping for something in that level, well, you might as well be a child, if you are so naive. I’m not defending Man of Steel, btw, I just don’t like kids.

  • rikkibarnes

    Lol. Because I care what ‘a lot of people’ think? Life isn’t a high school cafeteria, in my opinion, and I don’t need to have my thoughts validated by the majority.

  • Jakx118

    I know, but we don’t always get the terrible trio together like Half in the Bag.

  • CorbeauNoir

    Turns out everybody’s been dancing to the pulls of Rich Evans’ strings this entire time

  • http://www.facebook.com/sed1er Seid Pepic

    I go to the movie theater every week and see about 2 movies a week. I’m pretty sure i see enough. the CGI was Awful just awful. They characters didn’t move correctly, too much clicking going on with their arm movements that just looked wrong.

  • illuminatedwax
  • Justin Lee

    You always see Star Trek Generations in their reviews hahha

  • CorbeauNoir

    The CGI was fucking horrible. It looked like something out of a video game.

  • Jakx118

    Who would’ve thought that a Superman movie, being the polar opposite of Superman Returns, would have the same controversial appeal. All the things people hated about Superman Returns were not in this, and all the things people hated about this were not in Superman Returns. Funny how that works isn’t it? I bet if we made a Superman movie with both, it would have a zero with critics. This movie had too much action, Superman Returns had no action. This movie had no emotion, Superman Returns had too much emotion…I just think people don’t want a Superman movie. Fair enough. Just focus on other DC characters now.

  • Semantics

    Eh, I was a little disappointed with Iron Man 3 myself. I was kinda hoping it would be a bit more serious and rough around the edges. The whole, “Oh no! Pepper fell to her death!” scene was really baffling, for example, because we already knew she’d be perfectly fine.

    That said, it was a fun and enjoyable movie, so I think it’s worth seeing.

  • Jakx118

    Wow, wish I could afford that. Or had that much free time.

  • Jakx118

    I agree, it was fun. But it was by no means a good movie.

  • Jakx118

    Apparently you do…lol

  • rikkibarnes

    Nope.

  • asfd

    Lol, pooper 4 is the most obvious troll I’ve ever seen on here. His comments are hilariously inconsistent, half of them are praising this review and hating on Man of Steel while the other half are defending Man of Steel and hating on this review.

  • pooper 8

    ? Eh? As a pooper, give me the examples of where I have done this??

  • Jakx118

    Keep telling yourself that. I heard it’ll make wishes come true.

  • Mulholland-JR

    The movie indeed felt innapropriate. But the reasoning they give is fallacious. Superman doesn’t need to be campy. Seems like they used only the Reeve movies as reference of how to do Superman properly when sadly the first one was the only one done right. Furthermore, their preconceived notions of what comic books are like and why people enjoy them couldn’t be more wrong. Rich didn’t seem to know what he was talking about either. Most fans who read Superman ARE adults. Not that that matters because comic books are made for everyone. Many enjoy them for different reasons of course, but they aren’t targeted at just one audience (Marvel and DC ones anyway…) and neither are the movies. Not everything has to be tongue in cheek to be a good superhero movie or fun for that matter, and no not everything needs to be dark either. You certainly don’t have to have one or the other though.

    And yes, I realize I’m sending this to Idontgiveacrap@whocaresyoustupiddipshitasshole.net :)

  • postmanblues

    Why are so many folks whining? In three years, Jay and Mike have always made it clear they are film guys not comic book fanboys (I’m not using this term as an insult). They want movies, comic book movies more so, to be entertaining on some level. Russell Crowe did not entertain them.

  • rikkibarnes

    Your ‘argument’ doesn’t even make any sense. If I followed the crowd, I would be praising this movie, especially on this website. All you’re doing is trying to discredit my view because you disagree with me, which is a bullshit tactic and anyone with half a brain can see right through it. Grow up, kid.

  • Semantics

    I generally think Superhero movies too often fall into the trap of trying to up the ante on themselves, and trend towards bigger and more spectacular spectacles than trying to focus on telling a good story. Of course, the other side of that is, what better place to do this than a Super Hero movie?

    As well, I think Superman is one of those characters that, in terms of telling a meaningful story, you really have to challenge in some spectacular way. Of course, I also think his challenges need to more often take on the form of moral dilemmas, as they did in this movie, but a hero without a struggle is not really very heroic. The stakes need to be high, and he needs to be able to fail in someway, even if its only a personal failure.

    Anyway, I’m probably wandering off topic. Good comments though, Merrill.

  • Jakx118

    Uhhhhh….last I checked this was getting bad reviews and being hated on alot….Also, you seem reaaaallllyyy defensive, which makes me think other people’s opinions are very important to you. Calm down. Go buy a frosty and chill man.

  • rikkibarnes

    I am calm. You’re the one arguing and making mindnumbingly stupid comments all over this site, particularly in this thread which you are engaging with me in a half assed ‘debate’. And really, if ‘go buy a frosty’ and calling people who disagree ‘dickbags’ is the best you can do to prove your point then I stand corrected that you are not to be taken seriously.

  • pooper

    But there have been movies that manage to get the right balance between action and emotion… Batman? Iron Man? Why are people looking at it in such a black-and-white manner??

  • Thomas Hayes

    I knew they’d hate it…. I can’t say I disagree with them about their reasons either, despite the fact I sort of liked it. Also this episode was hilarious!

  • Ted

    You guys failed to mention that the Daily Planet is back and just fine in what seemed like 2 weeks after all of Metropolis was utterly destroyed.

  • John Doe

    Wow, seriously dude, relax…This is the image I get of you in my head.http://i.imgur.com/NMGSiKD.gif

  • Semantics

    Good point, but then I think that scene was also set sometime in the 90’s, so wouldn’t that have made their reactions more realistic?

    It’s a good catch, I’m just not sure I’d count it as a flaw when judging the movie.

  • John Doe

    In all fairness, we don’t know how long it’s been…

  • rikkibarnes

    Why, because I’m not bending over backwards to some doofus? Or is it because I’m not going around insulting people and accusing them of being ‘Marvelites’?

  • John Doe

    What the hell are you talking about?! It’s just a movie, be the bigger man here.

  • illuminatedwax

    No, my whole life (born in 1982) I’ve been taught the same thing about tornado safety. You’re right, it has no bearing on the movie (that’s why it’s a separate comment), it’s just something that bugs me personally.

    It reeks of bi-coastal “flyover country” elitism that they didn’t bother to get this right.

  • jakx118

    You don’t sound calm. You’re just heating up, aren’t you. Who’s getting more defensive here…me that you didn’t like this…or you, that I didn’t like Iron Man 3? Think about it.

  • Mike

    The fact nerds like you gang up on people like this is the reason I beat them up after school back in the day.

  • UnShame

    don’t you have something better to do? go kill somebody or something…

  • John Doe

    And the reason you’re pumping our gas now right?

  • rikkibarnes

    I lack the penis to be ‘the bigger man’…and I’d say, you do, too. :p

  • John Doe

    Wow, okay, I guess you are just like Jakx118. You both are immature idiots who shouldn’t be taken seriously. I understand now. Carry on fighting eachother.

  • Mike

    No, I make more money in a year than you have in a lifetime. You, on the other hand, are a pathetic neck beard. Your username says it all.

  • rikkibarnes

    And you’re the bastion of maturity? Really? I guess you’re just that pathetic and hypocritical.

  • John Doe
  • John Doe

    Point proven.

  • rikkibarnes

    You keep replying to various comments on the website just to bash people and insult them for disliking this movie. And you think *I’m* being defensive here?

  • Jakx118

    Which is why I’m honestly surprised they liked the Avengers.

  • rikkibarnes

    Even though both of you started this petty argument. Nice. e.e

  • rikkibarnes

    And yet you consider yourself mature. That’s got to be a joke.

  • Semantics

    Alright well, I was always taught that an overpass was a safe place to seek refuge in a tornado, even if not ideal, and I was born in the 80’s as well.

    I can respect pet peeves coming out in movies, I have my fair share of them too. I’m not really sure what “bi-coastal ‘flyover country’ elitism” is though, to be honest. I mean, the glider concept in the new Batman movies is patently inaccurate as well, but no one really brings it up as a flaw.

    Sorry, I do see where you’re coming from, I’m just not sure why this was a significant enough issue to bring out the all caps strategy.

  • Jakx118

    How did he start his argument? He just told you to calm down, and all I said was that Iron Man 3 wasn’t good. You’re the one acting like a child who’s spaghetti art just got made fun of. Seriously? Do you not see how dumb you’re being?

  • rikkibarnes

    Because you’re trying to discredit people for enjoying/disliking movies and name calling, which is also what John Doe is doing. How the hell am I in the wrong here, unless I transcended into some Twilight Zone shit somehow.

  • Ғalldog

    Hear hear!

  • Mark Bisone

    I can’t quite wrap my head why this review is making so many heads explode. Is the Marvel-DC flamewar like the Eagles-Cowboys rivalry for the autistic manboy generation?

  • rikkibarnes

    Short answer: Yes.

  • Tor

    Jay is so fucking cute.

  • Austin

    Thank you, this movie was god awful. Anyone who likes this movie is a mindless sheep.

  • Jakx118

    I have said before, many people didn’t like it, and “it’s fine if you do”. I don’t care. I don’t like it though. And aren’t you discrediting people for liking this. Talk about hypocrisy to the max. Anyways. If I keep replying to you this will go on till kingdom come. You’re certainly not gonna’ stop whining, so I’ll be the bigger man and end this asinine conversation about comic book movies here and now. Good day.

  • Wesley Dugle

    I’ve seen worse movies but yeah “Man of Steel” was a gigantic disappointing mess…

  • ills

    ‘I’m Mike and I think anyone who likes spectacle movies or visually cool movies are stupid idiots. Movies with style are inherently without substance and superhero movies should always be happy and never dark and gritty.’
    Half in the Bag has officially lived long enough to become the villain.

  • Jakx118

    Wow, and I’m stupid for saying Iron Man is dumb. Calling someone a mindless sheep for liking this. That is why opinions are like assholes.

  • Mark Bisone

    Thanks.

    I sure hope no one gives me the long answer, but I get the feeling they will. My Asperger’s Senses are tingling.

  • Ғalldog

    Not sure if sarcastic or not. A tornado that came out of nowhere? Would you have liked an explanation on how air masses of different temperatures interact?

  • illuminatedwax

    And they’ve got courtside tickets? What court???

  • Guest

    Wow, this review was painful to watch. Their jokes were haphazard and the reliance on swearing or non-sequitur jokes to fill the time was aggravating to sit through.

  • rikkibarnes

    My mind was boggled that anyone would dislike Dredd and seemingly lump in with other Marvel movies since I know many blind DC fanboys hate movies by association with their rival company, so I questioned that. You came to me, trying to argue about IM3. I never said you couldn’t dislike it but YOU harped on the idea that I did and accused me of essentially being of sheep mentality. I think you are the one who doesn’t understand what the hell you are trying to convey here. Not surprising, though.

  • illuminatedwax

    The difference is that you have to root for the guy, and showing him saving someone before all this goes down humanizes him and helps the audience connect with the “hero” of the story.

    There’s a difference between the conveyance of information (which you’re describing) and the conveyance of feeling and character (which they’re describing).

  • Scott

    Please make a series that focuses exclusively on Rich Evans breaking things. Thank you.

  • Tommy O.

    Man of Steal??? Where I come from, such a person is just called a thief!

  • Jakx118

    Really, put in quotations exactly what I said about you being a sheep. If you can do that, you win the argument. If not, my point is proven.

  • Thomas Hayes

    Most of the grounds they’re criticising Man of Steel on don’t apply to that film in my view.

  • rikkibarnes

    You wrote that I had a ‘blind fold’ over my eyes as if I was ‘too blind’ to see the truth about how Iron Man 3 ‘sucked’. You keep saying that I care about other peoples’ opinions and that’s why I am not bashing Man of Steel. No, you didn’t write it, you just implied it. You’re just not smart enough to realize that I didn’t mean it literally.

  • KrG

    “He didn’t save anybody?” Really? I thought he saved the human race in this movie. But I guess Jay overlooked this part because he was too busy looking for shit to complain about. And you bitch about the destruction of a small portion of the city…of course people are going to die. I’m not quite sure what expectations you had going into this movie but Superman is Science-Fantasy and it fulfills that part excellently. As far as him not being controlled…DUH! His character was created by 2 Jews and was meant to be a Moses figure that has now turned into a Christ figure. I see nothing wrong with that. It’s the WHOLE point of Superman; to have these abilities and the moral character not to abuse them. To complain about saving his love interest is a complete waste of my time…why not just complain that he can fly or is strong? Lois was brought on to the ship because she knew where Superman grew up…if you were paying attention they end up at his parent’s house shortly after that. This review was quite weak and disappointing.

  • kookookrumbles

    You mean like when he saved those guys on the oil rig?

  • Jakx118

    I said you were blinded to the fact that others didn’t like it. How descriptive do I have to be. We were just talking about it to.

    Whereas you said I was making “mindnumbingly stupid comments all over this site, particularly in this
    thread which you are engaging with me in a half assed ‘debate’.” and “All you’re doing is trying to discredit my view because you disagree
    with me, which is a bullshit tactic and anyone with half a brain can see
    right through it. Grow up, kid.”

    I don’t believe I had to resort to name calling. But, if it makes you happy, keep digging deep. I really don’t care who likes what, my point was alot of people don’t like Iron Man 3. So it wasn’t just my opinion. And a lot of people don’t like Man of Steel. So no matter what opinion you have of either film you are going to be riding on some bandwagon and you know it. Does that answer it for you? Huh?

  • rikkibarnes

    “I don’t believe I had to resort to name calling.”

    Says the guy calling people a ‘dickbag’ just a few comments below. Just because you’re butthurt that I’m calling you out on your immaturity doesn’t make you right. You keep reitirating that ‘a lot of people don’t like Iron Man 3′ as if that’s supposed to phase me or get me to change my opinion. It doesn’t. If I was ‘riding on a bandwagon’ as you say, I would dislike/like movies on whether the majority did or not, which I don’t. You’re only making assumptions about me and trying to discredit my views because that’s all bratty people such as yourself know how to do. Again, grow up.

  • Matt

    Man, you two really missed the mark with this review and The Cabin in the Woods episode. Can’t win ‘em all I guess.

  • Guest

    How is s/he jumping on a bandwagon when s/he isn’t basing their opinion on what many people have been saying. You need to look up the definition of bandwagoning.

  • illuminatedwax

    Precisely! I think by that point Superman had gotten so far removed from normality that the massive destruction didn’t even seem real. It would’ve helped to show that he was interested in not only defeating Zod but getting the people out of the city. Superman at the end doesn’t seem like the same guy that saved those people from the oil rig.

  • Grand Fromage

    Shocked you missed out on all of the gaping plotholes this film has.

    And how utterly disappointing the non-linear story was.

  • Graceless

    Jesus Christ that guy looks EXACTLY like Rich Evans.

  • Jakx118

    Okay. Fool me once. But I see this isn’t going to end. I didn’t resort to name calling with you. I did with someone else. If we were arguing in real life, and I was being polite, would bring up the fact that I punched a guy two days ago for disagreeing with me. I see that you can’t help but continue to call me stupid and bratty, and whatever, but that’s cool. But, I won’t stoop to your level and I’m honestly finding this argument very pathetic on both our parts. I guess I remember this is a movie and based on fictional material that has no influence in our lives whatsoever. If you can’t agree to that, than I don’t know what to say to you. But keep at it if you want. I feel really dumb right now for humoring you. I’m done.

  • Semantics

    Well I think that was really the point though wasn’t it? At that point in the movie he still didn’t know who he was or where he was going in life. To say he was different at the end really just underscores that his character developed over the course of the movie.

  • mk741

    As am I. The Avengers wasn’t terrible, but it was a completely inconsequential affair that did absolutely nothing interesting with the numerous comic book characters it had at its disposal.

    Besides fighting non-descript CGI monsters.

    And setting up a meaningless sequel.

    And selling Acura cars.

  • Jakx118

    Anyone who likes or hates anything is jumping on some kind of bandwagon. Whether it’s the love or hate bandwagon. I think that’s true for everything in life…It wasn;t meant as a negative thing.

  • Harry Palm

    Nerd.

  • Pheln

    Pull your tongue out of Snyder’s ass

  • rikkibarnes

    “If we were arguing in real life, I was being polite, would bring up the fact that I punched a guy two days ago for disagreeing with me.”

    Is that display of passive-aggressiveness supposed to make your case of being the ‘bigger man’ here? Seriously?

    But hey, let’s hope you really are done this time, unlike the previous time you wrote that you were.

  • mk741

    That reminds me of how Kirk was exposed to cancer inducing radiation in Into Darkness, but thanks to deus ex machina blood, he’s all smiles and giving public speeches a week later, without any signs of having been directly exposed to deadly radiation (after exposing himself to deadly radiation).

    TLDR: Something tells me the people who make these summer shlockbusters don’t give a fuck about making decent movies. It’s almost like… they’re a bunch of… hack frauds?

  • illuminatedwax

    You’re right, and it’s Superman changing from a guy we care about that cares about the lives of humans into… some kind of amoral force of nature? Eugh.

  • Jakx118

    I know, I’m just sayin’ though.

  • Guestieguest

    Some of those points were valid, but overall I enjoyed the movie and think that you may have expected a little too much from it.

    Is anyone else surprised that Rich Evans didn’t break his own fibula with that hammer?

  • Guest

    Sure seemed negative the way you went on about it.

  • Jakx118

    Really bro?

  • Wido

    I thought this was great. I’d been looking forward to this episode for awhile.
    You nailed everything. This film is joyless, and painful. They totally missed the point.
    It was like the Pearl Harbor of Super Hero flicks.

  • BLARG

    Are you too important and busy to write “Superman” like a normal person?

  • Guest

    If you really did punch someone for disagreeing with you then you deserve to go to jail for being a violent maniac.

  • Wido

    This movie could easily get the full Plinkett treatment for 2 1/2 hours.

  • Liderc

    Man of Steel was 100x better than Iron Man 3, at least I didn’t want to walk out of Man of Steel like I did for Iron Man 3. Talk about falling asleep, Iron Man 3 was the worst fking shit I’ve ever seen.

    Also, you guys should get the fuck out of 1978, the Donner movies sucked cock.

  • Psychobabble

    I watched the entire review to be fair and see their points, knowing they hadn’t liked the movie. But practically their entire argument was based around Man of Steel not being like the Donner films… just like most of the critics that reviewed this movie.

    And that’s a bit of a let down, not to judge the movie on its own merits. They say “joyless”, but they keep meaning that in comparison to the campy colorful 70’s Superman. I do not believe people in general would have liked the Nolan Batman trilogy so much if it was Adam West style Batman.

    They say Superman was created as a power fantasy for kids. Yes, that’s what boosted his popularity so much in the beggining. But Rich Evans correctly points out that the character has been around for more than 7 decades. It has been written in various ways, and in the last few decades they have tried to move away from those concepts because they’re sadly a bit outdated. So they give us a more realistic Superman, constantly struggling and constantly conflicted instead of the smiling flying man that can do anything.

    And that’s why the movie’s heroics should be judged according to the limitations of the character imposed on the very same movie and not what he “should be able to do”.

    The casualties of the movie were indeed a big issue for me, but it was coherently explained and justified. It’s also exactly why Superman kills in the end, which isn’t a real issue because we can clearly see what that action meant to him. It wasn’t about those four people or whatever, it was about everything else, what Zod would have done later and had already done. I will agree, however, that we could have used one more flashback scene to introduce the idea of Superman’s aversion to killing that set up that moment a little better. Just so most people understand why he doesn’t kill him, other than the kryptonians being the only people in the universe that are like him.

  • Jakx118

    Ever here of something called an example? Fine, seriously spoke with someone for disagreeing with me. Serious examples are the only blatant examples some people on the internet understand.

  • Benzo

    Oh, I get it! You did, like, a thing…

  • Mark Radulich

    This person gets it.
    I usually love HitB but I feel like all 3 of these guys really missed the point of the movie. It’s fair to say you didn’t enjoy it because you felt it was too “mopey” but it’s not fair to call it a bad movie.

  • Stevie.Ray

    All your points are legit, but there is soooo many more significant issues with this film.

    A lot of people are upset SM killed Zod, but you mentioned the more important point that there was no setup in the film saying Superman did not like to kill. That’s the main issue that happens throughout the film. They basically skipped setup, and went right to payoff on so many different things that the movie doesn’t work.

  • Jakx118

    Well, it can seem however it wants, I said I was on a bandwagon too.

  • StopCivilisation

    “It’s so dense, every single image as so many things going on.”

  • Semantics

    Did he? That wasn’t what I walked away with at all.

    What we see is a guy with all the powers of Superman passing his days wondering from one place to the next while really unsure what to do with himself. At this point, I think its safe to say he’s really heeding his adopted father’s advice about trying to keep a low profile, but yet he still cant bring himself to sit idly by while people are in danger. It may not seem like much, but I think it’s a fairly meaningful internal struggle that I thought they portrayed rather well.

    By the end of the movie, he’s quite literally donned the mantle of his biological family, and struggles to shoulder the responsibility of saving not just a few people he happens upon, but becoming a proactive champion of humanity.

    A few people have commented about how Superman in Man of Steel seems oblivious to the death and destruction going on around him in Metropolis. But within the context of the movie what else could he have done? Even if he destroys Zod’s ship, it’s still going to fall on the City. People are still going to die. People die every day.

    I think humanizing Superman, and making his decisions, and the consequences of those choices, visceral, and sometimes ugly, only adds to the strength of the film. He stood by while his father died, not because it was the right thing to do, but because he thought it was the right thing to do. Morality is a construct of context and opinion, there are no right answers and there are no easy choices. This is a version of Superman that did not sugar coat anything for its audience, and I think characterizing him as amoral or uncaring is unfair.

  • Tobias Treacher

    Man of Steel is a cinematic masterpiece. Words can’t even begin to describe the beauty in this movie. From the religion aspect to the philosophy to the depth reached through the characters, it’s all pretty much perfect. Anyone who digs for flaws is clearly biased as a Marveltard or a Richard Donner cock sucker. Mike, Jay, and Rich Evans seem to be all three which is a shame. Guys, don’t review Man of Steel 2. Or any other CBMs.

  • Jakx118

    Fuck you Rick Berman, I mean McCallum…What is it with Ricks?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Man of Steel 2: Electric Boogaloo.

  • Homo erectius

    Is this the end of Half in the Bag?

  • Yezzir!

    Only comic book aficionados don’t think that comic book heroes are campy by default. Everyone in the comic book industry takes it seriously and accepts the conceits and enjoys them on that level. But when you make a film, everyone else becomes involved too.

    That’s why Wolverine has a different costume in the movies because on a real man, that yellow tights costume would look stupid in a movie. Only fans of the comics would have accepted it. Everyone else would have been laughing.

    But on film, campiness hides some glaring issues. Why does he have to wear a suit and cape to fly around and save the world? Can’t he fly in his normal clothes? Why does wearing glasses and some hair gel fool everyone into thinking he is a totally different person? Isn’t it uncomfortable to wear a full cape under his sport jacket all day? If he doesn’t do that, where does he keep his clothes after he changes it, and where does he keep the suit when he needs to change? As good as the Batman movies were, these were some problems I had with that reboot too.

    If it’s played for seriousness, these comic book movies have to do alot of work to in a film to make issues that the comics take for granted more plausible. If it’s played with a wink and a smile, those issues disappear.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    That ending after the credits killed me. Thank you to whoever was laughing in the background as I was nearly in tears from laughing so hard.

  • StopCivilisation

    Insanity

  • StopCivilisation

    Hah yeah indeed!

  • jnywest

    The show has had an evolving story line, my guess is that they are going to have to take Mr. Plinkett in and they will all live together like a cheesy 80’s sitcom.

  • StopCivilisation

    Russel Crow hardly entertain anybody these days. He has pulled the same angry/lost looking face for way to many years now.

  • JackMarco

    It is amusing, how every time a Nolan movie comes out, his fantards are losing all their high standards XD

    Nolan could shit on a script, sell it and make it into a movie and his fantards would be all over it, praising it for it´s incredible depth, realism and tone, while ripping everyone apart who dares to disagree. Nonsensical storylines, plotholes and bad character decisions are happily embraced, while they aren´t being tolerated with other movies (Avengers *cough *cough).

    If they would have taken this exact movie and released it as Marvel and without the Nolan name, those same people, would rip this piece of shit apart. I guess it is just about desperately trying to piss on the Avengers, which they rip apart for the exact reasons they so desperately defend on Nolan movies. Reminds me of the XBox vs. Playstation, COD vs. Battlefield, Democrats vs. Republicans thing. No reason and objectivity whatsoever, just brainlessly praising the own side and bashing the other.

    Butthurt Fantards in 3..2..1..

  • Skagboy

    the ending did looked like some sort of closing of the season thing. I hope you aren’t taking vacation, guys!?

  • MARVELISFUCKINGSTUPID

    The Avengers and ALL Marvel movies are STUPID MICHAEL BAY MOVIES. MAN OF STEEL IS ONE OF THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIES EVER. SUCK IT YOU MARVELITE SHIUT FACES!

  • DualCore Professional Cecor

    My guess is they’re tearing the set down and prepping for Space Cop.

  • s

    It will become all about Plinkett and people will be saying ” HitB? Wasn’t that the show with Plinkett in it?”

    Sorry that was a shitty Family Matters joke wasn’t it.

  • StopCivilisation

    Now that sounds like an interesting title

  • DualCore Professional Cecor

    Calm down, man. DC or MARVEK… who cares, really?
    Both fucking suck.

  • sepiajack

    Or on a more basic level its just a more immediate and directly satisfying way to show the heroism of the character.

    The movie could have had Superman mailing a cheque to help fund cancer research, that’s noble, but it wouldn’t have the same visual impact of him flying into a burning building and pulling people out.

  • Bob

    Zack Synder has style as much as Michael Bay has restraint

  • DualCore Professional Cecor

    Spelling Nazis in 3…2…1…

  • Ian Williamson

    Why do you care about the difference between “i dont like this” and “bad”?

  • JackMarco

    You can edit your posts

  • heylook

    It’s pretty clear you’ve completely missed their point.

  • sepiajack

    A really simple way the movie could have fixed this is have army guys in the plane with Lois had to fly to south asia to blow up the laser on that end, while Superman zooms around Metropolis saving people from the destruction, and then at the end has to zoom around the world to catch Lois as she falls out of the plane.

    That’s something they could have even fixed in post production since its almost all special fx at that point.

  • Ian Williamson

    I unironically agree with the strawman argument you made up.

  • http://bit.ly/cnX6ad Bazzzinga

    Half in the Bag Prometheus Review:

    Jay Bauman: “In this day and age of Jack and Jills and What to Expect When You’re Expecting, if an ambitious but ultimately flawed science fiction film is what gets you this upset, then there’s really no hope for you”

    … I’m just gonna leave that here and slowly walk away

  • StopCivilisation

    What is the point of the movie ? That CGI and violence attracts hordes of people ?

  • heylook

    Wow. Most senseless comment I’ve read today. Congrats!

    That’s not at all what they said, nor was that their meaning.

  • Constantine1985

    These hacks better not be taking vacaciones. I want MOAR vidzz.

  • sepiajack

    It’s just a coincidence. They even shit on Prometheus and Star Trek and Lindeloff even though Lindeloff is one of the reason the Plinkett reviews got so much fame and exposure in the first place.

  • so disappointed

    i expected stupidity from that bitch and the bearded dude from best of the worst but to see mike and jay talk smack abouit the best movie ever made… fuck this. FUCK YOU MIKE AND JAY.

  • Constantine1985

    It’s a retcon. In this new universe Rich Evans has a long lost twin.

  • heylook

    Re: Product Placement: Donner’s Superman I and Lester’s Superman II have product placement that’s just as bad. The former has a Cheerios box which follows the camera (go back and look, no matter where the camera is, the box is facing it); the latter has HUGE ads for Marlboro. Yes, the cigarettes. Superman stands right in front of a big Marlboro truck, even crashes into it. If I recall, it was very controversial at the time, b/c wtf is a Marlboro ad doing in a Superman movie.

  • Kal-El-001

    I just wish it had less talking and more action. i loved it and am watching it right now again. cant wait for blu ray. it was ripped straight out of my Fleisher loving dreams. Loved It. man i thought i was old, these guys.

  • sepiajack

    Then what are you doing here? Why are you watching these videos?

  • StopCivilisation

    Adam Sandler ?

  • Jesper

    I thought this movie was great. It did exactly what it set out to do and showed us a fight between Gods. Earlier movies didn’t do it because the technology wasn’t around then and I much prefer the gritty darker take to the campy Reeves movies. With that said, I still think Superman 1 and 2 are better movies than this one (but absolutely not 3 or 4).

    Collateral damage is a given and it’s good that they show the ensuing carnage. It would have been nice if Superman had flown to the moon only to have Zod and co completely trash Metropolis forcing him to return and fight on their terms. I will concede that he didn’t do much to save civilians, but when you have these types of characters fighting it’s simply impossible to avoid utter devestation.

    The ending with Zod’s neck was a bit crap, mostly because the civvies could have just walked away from his deadly eye beams, but meh, whatever. This movie was thoroughly enjoyable and extremely shallow, just like the other superman movies. Phantom menace it is not.

    If I had one problem with this movie it was the pacing. It just didn’t seem to dare stop a bit and take a breath.

  • Jmn

    Zack Snyder isn’t ambitious, he’s a nine year old boy who thinks explosions are thought-provoking

  • http://www.facebook.com/sed1er Seid Pepic

    It’s a good feeling to have this much free time.

  • Memoman

    Hey guys, thanks for making me not feel like an alien.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sed1er Seid Pepic

    I would have liked to know how the tornado was just there in seconds and then gone apparently because clark and the rest of the people were watching from a few feet a way. (or as it seemed from the way they filmed it.)

  • Kal-El-001

    God sent Jesus to Earth. Hes relatable right?

  • sepiajack

    So your one of those assholes who texts while at the movie theater? I don’t believe in the death penalty, but that’s one crime I could be convinced to reconsider it…

  • Mick

    The thing in Snyder’s film isn’t anything remotely like DC’s character. If you’d read a comic book in your life you would know this.

  • StopCivilisation

    I wish that Ben Affleck could have played Superman. That had made the movie more enjoyable.

  • sepiajack

    It is funnier if you read his posts in Adam Sandlers babytalk tantrum voice

  • StopCivilisation

    Looks pretty old for being nine though.

  • person

    since when did having fun at the movies become a crime?

  • StopCivilisation

    lol

  • Daniel Patrick Roche

    What is the deal with all the shots taken at union labor? That makes me want to stop frequenting the site.

  • Kal-El-001

    nooo, on my PC not in the theater. are you crazy O.O

  • sepiajack

    Thanks! I honestly thought that’s what they were setting up at the ending when Zod gives his big speech, but instead there was just lots of punching…

  • sepiajack

    Yeah watching movies in a theater… crazy. What was I thinking??!!

  • Kenny

    You sound like the kind of person who reaches for Transformers 2 the moment they get home from church

  • Specimen B

    the dialogue states that the zod’s ship is “slave to the world engine”…the world engine will work without zod’s ship, but the ship’s gravity beam will not be produced without the world engine…which is why superman goes to destroy it, first.

    the plan was to destroy them both at the same time. the military was set to bomb zod’s ship with kal-el’s rocket, causing a singularity to suck the kryptonians into the phantom zone. (showing that humans are not incapable morons that need superman to do everything- a common complaint among critics of the character)

    if superman had been sucked into the phantom zone (and he nearly does anyway) by attacking zod’s ship first, then the world engine would have been left to terraform earth, killing all native life.

    it is the phantom drives on zod’s ship and kal-el’s craft that together cause the singularity. just dropping kal-el’s craft on the world engine would not cause that effect, which is why things were handled the way they were.

  • LCK

    yes that is the general idea when watching a film review

  • Specimen B

    so, you are the lone arbiter of what is actually good? the last bastion of objectivity?

  • Union Goon

    I know what you mean. I took precious time out of my union-mandated 4 hour lunch break to watch this episode, and they throw it back in my face!

  • Bob

    People who thinks it bad will say it’s bad, that’s kind of the way opinions work. For someone who adores the director of Sucker Punch, nonsensical Christian propaganda and ‘splosions, Man of Steel is probably a masterpiece.

  • Bob

    Either they believe it, or like all the other comedy they do it’s ironic. Difficult to tell.

  • StopCivilisation

    I enjoyed the hell out of Memento or what the name of the movie is.. I forgot just now.

  • mrking

    It’s funny how you call me a fanboy. I don’t think that means what you think it means, since I’ve spent far more effort talking about this actual review and how factually incorrect and outright ignorant it is, than I have defending the movie or calling it perfect or anything like that.

    If anyone is on anythings dick here its assholes like you who repeatedly blindly ignore my criticisms of the review, while laughably calling ME a fanboy. I’m not the one sticking to his guns in the face of the facts here champ.

    Let me just repeat for you and all the people who reckon that I’m ‘fanboying’. This is a bad review because they blatantly ignore plot points and make comments regarding the history of a character they know nothing about and then make criticisms from a place of ignorance. Not because they didn’t like something I liked.

  • snakes andert

    *removes ski mask* You may have outsmarted my this time, But I shall return! *flees through a cloud of ninja smoke*

  • Daniel Patrick Roche

    I don’t see the irony here–the “joke” seems to be that actually enjoying the benefits unions fought for on behalf of all workers since the post-industrial age makes one lazy and apathetic. It just smacks of the kind of joke a right-wing rube OR an educated person who comes from a privileged background and has never worked a day of honest labor in his life would make.

  • http://www.scream-movie.net/ Charles Petrosky

    I hope the next set for Plinkett is a shanty tent under a freeway bridge. :-) Lots of comedy potential with hobos!

  • jimbo

    Mike superman said DO YOU THINK YOU CAN THREATEN MY MOTHER? Not motherfucker.

  • Beck

    No, don’t stop frequenting the site! Anything but that!

  • StopCivilisation

    :)

  • Patrick

    Reviewers aren’t upset that Man of Steel wasn’t exactly like the Donner films, it’s because the writer’s trying to tell us that not-Superman is some symbol of hope, some idealized version that will lead humanity into a golden age, yet Jesus blows up half the fucking city. There’s no character, depth, or plot to this movie, it’s just a pure cash grab leeching off people who only want to see people in capes punch things.

  • StopCivilisation

    mothertrucker maybe ?

  • Specimen B

    i don’t hate on mike and jay…but no, the movie is not “objectively bad”. people really need to stop throwing around the word objective whenever they want their very subjective views to be given greater worth.

  • Patrick

    Right, because they always talk about how much they hate the Batman movies.

  • Joe Soap

    And going by that logic/concept of ‘free to think as they like'; they don’t necessarily need to completely disagree either. Watching most of their reviews, I’ve never gotten the impression that either of them can’t think for themselves, have different opinions or that they feel the need to be diametrically opposed in order to validate their videos. They seem to have similar tastes but express them differently.

  • Midlander

    ‘…he was more alive after he died’ – that’s dangerously close to being a Star Trek 5 quote

  • generic guest

    What’s with people thinking they didn’t like this movie because “THEY’RE MARVEL FANS”. Are people really this stupid

  • Ibexfather

    What is with the strawman-users who are misquoting Jay and Mike? They didn’t say they wanted the old campy Superman. They said this makes the old campy superman look BETTER in comparison, even the one from Superman Returns.
    If I were to say Christoper Nolan movies make the Adam West batman look good, that doesn’t mean I like or expect movies to be like Adam West batman. Far from it, which is why such statements are meant to poke fun at Adam West, while in turn insulting Nolan’s work. If you really think those three guys of all people are against innovation, or doing a new Superman, you had your ears plugged during the entire review.

  • Andy S

    Hobos!

  • StopCivilisation

    I can see where you are going with this but in the context they use this I don’t see it though.

  • Topher

    no as a movie it is bad. This is not burn after reading where if you didn’t like it I can understand because maybe its not your kind of movie. It is a bad movie.

  • Joe Soap

    God made us too.

  • Andy S

    Everybody vote MOS for the next Plinkett review.

  • Andy S

    Yeah! We fanboys don’t like differing opinions! You give him hell!

  • Bob JaBopistan

    They made a joke and it gave you an upside down smiley face. Time to stop frequenting the site.

  • Patrick

    I love how they give movies a somewhat fair review, no matter how bad it is, except for Man of Steel (aka not-Superman). For Sucker Punch, That’s My Boy, and Pain and Gain, they will talk shit about everything wrong with the movies, but they will point out specific problems, what they thought the director was trying to convey, and how well they did so. With Man of Steel, however, all we can do is laugh. That’s about as fair a review it deserves anyway.

  • Andy S

    At least he didn’t do any angry shouting in MOS.

  • StopCivilisation

    Watch Xtro and this shlock pales in comparison!

  • TapewormBike

    Any Lex Luthor casting guesses? If I could choose, I would go with bald and angry Brad Pitt or the man himself – Rich “HaaaghHaaaghhHaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!” Evans

  • https://twitter.com/theericlarson monsieur larson

    I’m still perplexed by how they enjoyed the mindlessness of Iron Man 3 which I loathed and it had nothing to do with the stereotypical ‘fanboyisms’ like “durrr but the Mandarin” yet this movie gets it ass thoroughly destroyed and it sounds like rightfully should. I haven’t seen Man of Steel and I don’t intend to until a drunken rental.

  • Murderin Murphy

    Hurry up and review Man of Steel, already, you FUCKS!!!!

  • StopCivilisation

    This movie made me like R.O.T.O.R even more

  • Specimen B

    no, it wasn’t useless for zod to kidnap lois. she was there because zod believed she may have information on the location of the codex. she lead them to martha kent.

    i’m sure lois manipulated her way into getting on the bombing run. she knew how to activate kal-el’s craft. she likely didn’t tell them that it was because she had the command key.

    they believed it was a buried soviet sub in the arctic. i don’t recall them deeming the situation top secret.

  • Rich Evans

    I don’t recommend Man of Steel starring Henry Cavill.

    But I do recommend Man of Steel starring Lexington Steele.

  • Specimen B

    speaking of logical fallacies…i think that may be an issue with mike and jay’s review. huge chunks of it are just an appeal to ridicule.

  • Derek

    So you’re admitting to piracy? What is wrong with you?

  • I ate my cat

    I finally get why Lex Luthor is Superman’s default villain, at least in the movies. If you are going write an origin story, you keep it simple with the moustache twirling villain so there could be more time put into the hero’s destiny to save the world. And this movie would have used a moustache twirling villain, because having a General Zod try to track down Superman and destroy half the city would, like Mike said, cause a loophole that Superman could not be a saviour to the earthlings and at the same time lead them to doom.

    If I were to write Superman in the dark and gritty way Hollywood movies nowadays have to be, I’d put General Zod in the sequels where people would begin to doubt Superman for bringing over a destructive alien. It could be the dark middle chapter, or whatever that is NOT an origin story.

  • Derek

    Except that it’s *a lot* like the current Superman in the comics. If you read anything other than Golden Era “No one can tell Clark is Superman because he’s wearing glasses” comics…

  • David Bowie

    They’re obviously biased Marvel fans because they tore apart Amazing Spider Man. Fuck these guys.

  • StopCivilisation

    That is very true words honestly

  • cjgrayso

    Twere I – I’d start the flick with Kent on the oil rig (not on the boat), an ordinary looking dude (not a beefcake) leaving us to wonder who he is. Then when he catches the toppling tower – his super muscles bristling under his skin – we cut to when he was 16 when he catches a toppling water tower about to crush his parents. Shortly after this, his Father gives him the key which he uses to unlock the space pod that delivered him to earth. Upon entering the pod, he receives a message from his pa about who he is and where he comes from. We keep all of this really short, because we know who he is already. After saving a nearby neighborhood from a falling jetliner, the latter he lays in cornfield, he goes into hiding because he’s revealed who he is. We cut back to SM on the rig holding up the tower and the men escaping. He leaves, continuing his trek for anonymity.

    This sets up our visit from Zod, come to find him on earth. From there… the skies the limit.

  • StopCivilisation

    Mike Ironside

  • RLM

    that Jesus scene is when I stopped watching, went out to the lobby and laughed my ass off there so I didn’t disturb anyone. I hit on a few girls, went back in to see him punching Zod in the face while plowing through houses and cars that cizilians would have definitely been in, went back to the lobby, laughed my ass off again, hit on a few girls, went back in, saw things blowing up, realized a 200m budgeted film has been using shaky cam the through entire film, gave up entirely on Christopher Nolan, and then started reconsidering how much I loved Inception.

  • Loray

    You know, HiTB’s comments on Man of Steel are pretty spot on. The movie has clear flaws in the Zod plotting dept and is frankly overplotted there. The idea of the Codex being this MacGuffin just sort of gets thrown out and it becomes about Zod turning Earth into a new krypton. But Zod could’ve just turned Earth into a new Krypton and without the Codex, he’d be all creepy about trying to repopulate using Earth’s female population (a creepy idea actually suggested in an episode of Smallville of all places).

    But also, I realize my perspective is skewed because I am a Superman fan and want the DC stuff to succeed. As Mike and Jay point out frequently, Hollywood is about making money, and they followed the formula accurately to achieve the profits and secure the sequel they needed.

    I think, instead of comparing this to Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy, compare Man of Steel to Warner’s OTHER recent Superhero film, Green Lantern. Why? Both are essentially alien/sci-fi/action movies. Green Lantern failed in the same places where MoS succeeded, better performances, a comparably uncluttered plot, etc.

    MoS was not the best Superman movie, it may not have been the superhero movie people wanted, but it was the one the studio needed. Hopefully the sequel is better.

  • Luke The Duke

    I have to say, I usually agree with Jay and Mikes opinions but not here. I find this take on Superman much more interesting. First off, I think they are wrong about why Jor-El sends him to Earth, let me know if I’m wrong, but I think I remember Jor telling Zod that eventually he wanted Superman to repopulate earth with Kryptonians in a peaceful way. Superman would be like a middle man. Secondly, I usually find excessive battles at the end of movies boring, especially The Avengers, but I found this to be much more interesting. Superman has to save the world and then he has his showdown with Zod. We have a main villian here that does not disappear like Loki does and leaves our hero(s) to fight faceless aliens and their giant flying worms. Yes he leaves to go get the other ship but he is doing that for a reason and during his trip there we find out the truth on why Jor-El sent him to earth. The showdown could have been much simpler and a lot shorter but this is by no means a masterpiece of a movie to begin with. They bitch about him not saving the citizens of Metropolis but he is busy saving the world. Since the reviews were mixed I thought I would not like the movie but it was much more enjoyable then I thought and I think the more (campy) Superman will come out a bit in the sequel now that he is at The Daily Planet. Idris Elba for Lex Luthor anyone?

  • Mulholland-JR

    Give us the Matrix Reloaded review Plinkett!

  • Dasby

    Yeah, I’m still trying to figure that one out. Because seriously, Iron Man was just as badly written and wrought with mindless action as Man of Steel was, if not moreso.

  • Specimen B

    it was the phantom drives in kal-el’s craft and zod’s ship that created the singularity. just dropping the craft on the world engine would have done nothing.

  • Dasby

    Yeah…You’d think after they trashed Spider-Man, found Captain America rather underwhelming, and if I remember correctly weren’t the biggest fans of Thor (I may be mistaken), and on top of all that stood up for The Dark Knight Rises despite the entire internet trying to pretend it was the worst movie ever, that they would have proven they’re able to be unbiased at the very least.

  • Mark Radulich

    Because usually the RLM give fair reviews and this one seemed very biased and unfair. I don’t always agree with their reviews but for the most part I consider their analysis to be top notch. I think they whiffed on this one.

  • Dasby

    Don’t forget the giant coca cola sign in Supes 2.

  • Sam Lightowler

    Come on start making more videos more often. I crave them like crack and now it’s gonna be another few fucking weeks before my next fix. (It feels like weeks anyway.)

  • Bob

    I hate to say this but I think this review is 100% proof that Mike and Jay are Marvelites, whether they acknowledge this or not. All of their Marvel reviews, save for TASM, have been stellar and they recommended them. TDKR they essentially trashed hardcore even though they stil recommended it. Then comes MOS and they bash it with no good reason. They’re not dumb, they recognize the brands that come right before the movie starts. They consider Marvel better and DC to be awful so their views are tainted. It’s okay, guys, you can admit to being Marveltards. So many blind fans are that. DC tends to have more mature, intellectual fans. You might want to consider switching sides. Just sayin.

  • Dasby

    I just want to point out that this movie ISN’T a Nolan film. He neither directed it, nor did he write it. He produced it, yes, but it’s pretty obvious that he wasn’t extremely hands on with it once cameras started rolling. Mostly because he was, you know, filming a tiny little indie film that nobody’s ever heard of called The Dark Knight Rises while Man of Steel was actually in production.

  • Specimen B

    superman gives her the command key on their way to zod’s ship. she was brought on board because zod knew that she had valuable info on kal-el which could possibly lead them to the codex. it was lois who gave up martha kent’s location

  • Superasshole

    I think they should just make him a full-time asshole.

    The sequel could start off with him laughing maniacally as he uses his heat vision to cremate the pile of corpses he was responsible for. He then uses his super breath to blow the ashes out to sea.

    Soon after, he’s confronted by Lois, who questions how someone could be so callus. He bows his head, and solemnly begins to fly away, but then circles back, pulls his pants down and drops a deuce on her head.

    The rest of the movie would involve him beating the shit out of the Avengers.

  • Preston Sumner

    ” But Zod could’ve just turned Earth into a new Krypton and without the Codex, he’d be all creepy about trying to repopulate using Earth’s female population (a creepy idea actually suggested in an episode of Smallville of all places).”

    I don’t know, Zod was obsessed with his people, and he viewed Kal-El’s natural birth as sacrilege. I don’t believe he’d view any hybrids as true Kryptonians nor would he agree with their means of creation.

  • Stalin

    OR, you know, small business owners and regular, hard-working people who don’t work in a unionized industry and wind up paying through the nose in taxes to subsidize no-bid union contracts and lavish benefits for civil servants. That evil right wing, plutocratic trash…

  • Specimen B

    and that is your opinion, not an objective fact, no matter how much you want it to be treated as such.

  • Nir Shalev

    Wait. Are they biased towards Marvel or do they support Marvel? If they’re biased towards it, then it’d make sense why they’d crapped all over The Amazing Spider-Man. Also, they crapped all over it simply because it’s a piece of dog shit. However, that doesn’t excuse why they’re crapping all over Man of Steel, because it’s DC property.

    What are you trying to say here? Write more clearly.

    Also, they’re not comic book geeks. If you’d have followed them throughout the year you’d know that.

  • guest9999

    sounds like these guys need to be fired and are very stupid if they realy think this movie sucked

  • UltimaRex

    I’m the same guy…

  • sepiajack

    That’s all just tech talk that can easily be rewritten to suit the situation, and should never take importance over character development or story,

  • Hank

    Mike and Jay are right, I have no idea how they would up the ante after this film, there is pretty much nowhere to go after this. I guess the only thing they can do now is turn Superman at Earths End into a film, you know, this piece of art…

  • bigbob

    hahaha I don’t read the comments much, but jeez! Do you guys draw the ire of Jack and the Beanstalk fans or just superhero fans?

  • Mark Bisone

    I agree. Jay and Mike should fire Mike and Jay for this outrage.

    Rich gets a pass since he is in the union and, therefore, un-fireable.

  • Mark Bisone

    Jeez, the freaks show up here in force for the superhero flicks.

    (And I don’t mean that kind of force. I mean “choke Watto while Padme steals the part.”)

  • Kevin Baird

    You’re joking about the CGI, right? There were two shots I noticed throughout the entire movie that looked off and that was it. Otherwise it looked flawless.

  • thisoneguybro

    COULD THIS BE THE END OF OUR BRAVE HEROES?

  • Casey Bryan Wright

    I love these guys, they know what a good movie is and a bad movie is, I just feel sorry that they had to suffer so much to brings us this entertainment.

  • The PwnUltimate

    Man of Steel is a Christopher Nolan film in the same way Batman Forever is a Tim Burton film.

  • Brit Ward

    With the exception of Rich, I don’t think they give a crap about comics. And from reviews and passing comments, they’ve also spoken poorly about Thor, Iron Man 2, and Spider-man 3.

  • UltimaRex

    Does the World Engine require Zods ship? Zod’s ship was only helping it. Even so it’s a moot point. Your “plan” would have panned out like this:

    (1). Destroy Zod’s ship = Save Metropolis

    (2). World Engine finishes terraforming the planet.

    (3.) Everyone (including Metropolis) is dead.

  • http://adamdreifus.tumblr.com/ Adam Dreifus
  • Dasby

    I pretty much exactly agree with this.

  • Kevin Baird

    Wow coming from the guy who calls himself MARVELITE HUNTER. gee I wonder why you enjoy all of the DC movies and hate the Marvel ones.

  • http://adamdreifus.tumblr.com/ Adam Dreifus

    I disagree with you completely, but you are the only person I have seen who has provided actual justification for why they like the movie instead of just a knee-jerk reaction, and for that you have my respect.

  • Daniel Patrick Roche

    Normally, I try to be respectful and polite, but my parents owned a small business and I managed a small business a few years. If you think unionized labor is the enemy of small business owners or non-union labor, I’m sorry, but you’re a fucking moron.

    If you knew how a no-bid process actually works–or how “lavish” the health benefits for public sector union employees are–you’d be both embarrassed for writing that comment and angry with the financiers and political officeholders of the world, not with unionized labor.

  • Pinkerton

    We appear to have people actually arguing that a 40 minute conclusion of silly cartoon stunts, retarded plot, and constant shaky cam cater to intellectuals and the “mature.” The problem with this film is not that it is DC or that it is not Marvel (the Marvel pictures are frequently tedious as well)- the problem is that is is a big fucking bore.

  • Loray

    Preston,

    That’s true within the context of the film, but since MoS’ strengths lie in the human side of the film, it would make sense to have Zod not being this purist, but a sort of skewed Kal-El. Instead of trying to fit into human society, Zod instead wants humanity to fit into his vision of Krypton. And that’s kind of closer to the Zod of Superman II, seeing value for humans as cattle.

    The writing for Zod in MoS kind of boxes him into a corner, and it’s literally called after everyone else is sucked in the phantom zone, and Zod’s all like “I have no purpose” anymore. Zod could’ve worked in the origin story, but not in the form we ended up with.

  • Brit Ward

    I think Jay, in that case, was talking about movies with depth. Whether or not you like Man of Steel, it wasn’t exactly the deepest of movies.

  • Kevin Baird

    GUYS WE HAVE A BADASS HERE ON THE INTERNET. WATCH OUT!

  • snschl

    It wouldn’t. You can’t reflect high-powered lasers with household mirrors, that’s a cartoon trope. If you tried, the mirror would just melt and vaporize.

    I realize bringing plausibility and realism into a Superman debate is criminal, but this movie is trying so hard to be cynical and gritty that it’s asking for it.

  • Stalin

    Aww… you sure showed me up, with your touching-yet-brainless anecdote about parents, “financiers” (lol) and the political class. Listening to Occupy-boobs talking about economics is like listening to a chick talk about football.

    Now quit frequenting this capitalist pig webzone and run along back to Huffingglue Post, you little Trotsky goggle-wearing, petit-bourgeois ,wannabe-Marxist martinet. Don’t let the ab-block-defeating adverts hit your ass on the the way out.

  • Brit Ward

    I thought the movie was okay. Was watchable. That last half hour was hard to get through. But freaking out because three guys don’t agree with your taste in movies… It’s a little pathetic. It’s okay they didn’t like the movie. Just like it’s okay that people loved it.

    At the end of the day, opinions are opinions, and these are just fucking movies.

  • Preston Sumner

    For what it’s worth, I liked that Zod’s attempt to make Earth into another Krypton made for a literal representation behind Jor-El’s advice for Superman to lead Earth away from becoming like Krypton.

  • http://adamdreifus.tumblr.com/ Adam Dreifus

    Funny, considering that Mark Miller, the guy who wrote Superman Birthright, which is considered one of the definitive takes on Superman’s origin story and is in fact what this film based a good deal of its story on, hated the movie so much that he had to leave the theater before it was finished.

  • Jeffrey Heesch

    Sarcasm doesn’t always translate over writing. I’m pretty sure, though, that David Bowie is just making fun of the people insisting that Mike & Jay are Marvel fanboys thrashing on DC.

  • Sparkles Peterson

    You forgot the clunky-as-hell line about evolution delivered by one of the bad guys. I guarantee some film exec had that line put in so that jagoffs would go to church last Sunday and tell other jagoffs to go see Man of Steel.

  • Confusely

    Rich says Superman is for kids and silly but Batman is for adults and serious because he dresses as a bat?

    I’m getting a vibe that this review was either ironic or recorded when they were really drunk.

    Worst movie of 2013? You guys did watch A Good Day to Die Hard and try Dark Skies, hint, it’s Paranormal Activity with aliens in it.

  • steven

    there were also a lot of plot holes in the movie. if the people of krypton knew their planet was doomed, why didn’t they just leave it? did they just find out a few seconds prior? and they could’ve literally gone to any other planet if they have terra-forming technology and made any planet hospitable. and why would they sentence the rebels to be frozen, basically enabling them to SURVIVE the catastrophe! that’s almost like rewarding them! and lastly, on an unrelated point, i was disturbed by having to see closeup shots of a baby penis….

  • WolfHandFrogHand

    This week’s episode of Half in the Bag brought to you by Scott Walker…

  • Joe Soap

    Why didn’t they just hide as humans on earth.

  • Guest

    They live in Wisconsin, where labor unions have recently been Margaret Thatcher-ed.

  • sakboy

    Didn’t they straight-up tell Jor El that they didn’t believe him?

    Also, you should probably consider never having a kid – baby boys have penises (oh no icky…)

  • Mikey

    I liked the new Superman movie. It wasn’t just a re-hashing of the same old shit. They made it a bit more modern TRIED to give it a different feel (not sure if dark is the proper term). Superman is too hokey of a character to begin with. If it was another simple Superman movie with him standing beside the American flag at the end I would have shot myself. I did not find the the young Clark Kent story line boring at all. Lois Lane boring and useless? Yes. However which Superman movie, comic and or cartoon was she ever crucial to the story line? Female supporting roles are always useless in these hero films. No Clark Kent glasses disguise though out the film. This has always bothered about superman. I wear glasses, with or with out them people know it’s me. Glad to see no green rocks. Also Superman did not destroy the city, Zod did. Zod was going to wipe out the human race, I don’t think humans would give a shit about a town and half a city being pulverized. Was this movie as bad as Jay, Mike and Rich says it is…. no not at all. It came off a bit flat at times. It’s over the top fighting and destruction scenes went on a bit too long and reminded me of Team America’s opening scene. But it’s Superman, he’s indestructible! Also the Jesus connection was odd. The Jesus pose after Jor-El tells Superman “Save them” – Superman is 33 years old in the film, Jesus was 33 when he was crucified. Not sure what the film makers were trying to say with all that. I did laugh out loud at the action, like Jay, it was fun. I give it a 7 out 10.

  • Someone who’s read Superman

    No self-respecting DC fan would like Jesus of Steel, because it disregards eighty years of storytelling and turns it into a videogame only Snyder gets to play. You need to stop watching The Green Lantern on endless repeat and read a comic book, son.

  • Al

    They don’t give flying fuck about dc or marvel. I doubt they could tell you whether hawkeye is dc or marvel. Marvel just has characters that are better suited for movies, except for Batman, of course.

  • dennett316

    “DC tends to have more mature, intellectual fans.”

    From some of the reactions I’ve seen to negative reviews of MoS, this is simply not true at all, there’s an almighty sense of butthurt from fans of this movie…just like there was for negative reviews of Dark Knight Rises (which I liked a lot, difference being, I didn’t throw a hissy fit when people didn’t enjoy it as much as I did).

  • dennett316

    Treat ‘em mean, keep ‘em keen!

  • No, Man of Steel was Worst

    At least I laughed at some of the stupid shit in A Good Day to Die Hard. I didn’t feel any human emotions during Man of Steel.

  • Specimen B

    i don’t think it did take precedence over character development or story. either situation is completely arbitrary, but the film portrayed a more difficult one, creating greater tension.

  • Lacrobat

    I have to agree pretty much 100% with this review. By the end of the movie, with the 40 minutes or so incessant CGI cartoonary, I was just begging for it to end.

    The 1978 film may have more limited special effects but at least it had characters you could CARE about. Plus it had a mythic, epic feel and John William’s music. The soundtrack on this was so bland and forgettable I’ve already forgotten it.

    The 1978 film was a Superman movie, I don’t know what THIS was…..

  • Bob

    Busy saving the world by indiscriminately killing hundreds of thousands of people without even attempting to take the fight somewhere else. It’s an interesting take on the character. Looking forward to the Batman film where he realizes shooting people is easy and deals with the Joker in a snap. Hopefully they’ll be wearing cool shiny suits yay!

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    If you are a casual observer BEWARE! You are about to enter a comments section overrun by mouth-breathing comic book nerds who take personal offense when someone doesn’t like a movie with their favorite super hero in it. You have been warned.

  • Matthew

    She was brought up to Zod’s ship so they could probe her mind for information. That was explained in the movie.

  • Specimen B

    that is your opinion, which is not objective, no matter how much you want it to be.

  • Ass Hat

    That’s where this movie really lost me. It was a string of huge set pieces and none of them had any buildup. Kinda hard to be engaged in a movie when there’s no sense of excitement or suspense.

  • Sam K

    I’ve disagreed with Jay and Mike at times, but I don’t think I’ve ever outright loved a movie they hated before. Go figure.

  • Zack Snyder is not a Human

    Who would have thought 6 months ago that the most entertaining and probably best blockbuster of the year would be one of the 5 billion Fast and the Furious sequels.

  • Ass Hat

    I found this very, very hilarious. Superman II has some of the most notorious product placement in film history. Let’s throw Superman through a giant Marlboro sign! Kick Zod’s ass through a giant Coca-Cola bus ad!

    Man of Steel’s product placement was so obnoxious that I actually thought that they were paying homage to Superman II. I mean seriously…were they doing that as a throwback? Because it was just TOO obvious. Jay made a great point with saying that IHOP actually plays a part in the story.

  • Are you Zack Snyder?

    Sister, they are not the only ones who hated that film.

  • Matthew Shannon

    So, during the pre-show ad, there was a little pop-up ad in the corner of the ad, for the same goddamn thing….

  • Plot Holes

    Did they also explain why she needed to be on the military plane?

  • Matthew Shannon

    “we’d give you a ride but we are lazy!”

  • Miss Eris

    Hilariously, fanboys on youtube who are crying about the fact that this film has gotten barely average reviews are trying to argue that all the critics are actually wrong and this is a great film because it got an A- Cinemascore.

    This is the same rating Cinemascore audiences gave GI Joe: Retaliation, Mister Popper’s Penguins, Tyler Perry’s Temptation, Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga’Hoole, Lottery Ticket, and Step-Up 3D. Cinemascore is worthless as anything except an analysis of how successful a film’s marketing has been.

    As for what I thought of the film, I kind of enjoyed the first half in spite of its serious problems, but as the reviewers say it goes to complete schlock when the real action starts. Its just one silly thing after another. Like all of Zack Snyder’s big films, its way more style than substance. This is the guy, remember, who sort of screwed up the greatest superhero story of all time, “Watchmen.” I don’t know why you’d give a person who did that this franchise.

    Superman, Superman II and Superman Returns were all better films, even if the last one has been largely forgotten a mere seven years after it came out. I think this film will probably be forgotten in far less time, most likely as soon as the next big mindless action flick comes along.

  • Ian Williamson

    This is the funniest episode in a while hahahaha

  • Doc Barkley

    Dear Red Letter Media,

    please remove the advertisements for the US Navy that causes the whole video to freeze, you fucking frauds.

    fuck you

  • KevinFromTheArtDepartment

    A little harsh…. but accurate with your points. TOO MUCH DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. Essentially, this would have been Gotham, if Batman didn’t save the day in TDKR. A few tweaks and this would have worked as a Superman movie. We have the entire Earth to land and terraform, the middle of the city, why not? How about 20 miles away in an open field, with the gravity booms slowly making their way to Metropolis. But, I liked Lois hunting down an unknown hero and finding “Clark Kent” before he becomes “Superman.” Even, though she brought a yocal cop to the Kent farm with Superman standing on the porch and yelled “CLARK!” What the hell – opening the Phantom Zone by dropping a little ship onto the big ship, that should have done more damage than the gravity laser beam.

  • Ass Hat

    You missed the point, man. The human race wasn’t in danger until Superman came along. All the shlock about “You will be a god to them. You can save them.” Save them from what? All the destruction that is a result of your presence? Zod & Co. never would have shown up in Kal-El wasn’t on earth. Why the human race isn’t telling Superman to GTFO is lost on me.

  • Miss Eris

    You’re comment only establishes your own bias, not theirs. Just sayin.

  • qfwfq

    Any reason why the scrolling header thumbnail displays “Episode 50″ when it’s actually Episode 55?

  • sepiajack

    Except in this version Superman just punches a laser as opposed to saving the people of metropolis which is what a lot of people find to be more Supermanish

  • loltard

    I usually like Mike & Jay’s reviews but I can’t say I agree with this one and find it a bit confusing actually. The review is so… mean spirited compared to pretty much any other except for Adam Sandler’s movie, but fuck that guy.

    And mean spirited in ways that aren’t even warranted in some cases and seem to stem from misunderstandings rather than legit cripes. Mike, for example, explains how suddenly Superman comes flying into Zod and says motherfucker and he is baffled. But he doesn’t say that, he says “you think you can threaten my mother?!”, which actually makes sense because Zod was in the progress of threatening the mother? I’m wondering if they pay so little attention to the movie why they feel they are entitled to pick it apart like they do, ridiculing plot holes that aren’t that important like they suddenly have zero suspension of disbelief.

    They also seemingly find it impossible to judge the film on its on merits and have to drag all of Superman’s 80 year history into it. And the “dark and serious” tone of movies a la the new Batman movies has suddenly become passé and deserving of extreme mocking and ridicule.

    I of course feel a bit stung because I actually liked the movie, even though I do understand that it has some problems, but the review really felt like they were just desperate to throw everything they had at this movie. It came off really insincere. And really, recommending no one the number one blockbuster of the year? Surely their opinion isn’t gospel.

  • Tobias Reich

    The worst movie this year? Have you forgotten Prometheus???

  • Matthew Shannon

    think that christopher nolan pushed this movie into being a big middle finger to the studios for making him work on another superhero movie?

  • Wombat

    Prometheus was last year.

  • Miss Eris

    Prometheus (a) was better and (b) came out last year.

  • jthomasbailey

    You guys are the Siskel & Ebert of shitty movies. But was it really worse than Into Darkness? Both were mindless and cynical and both shit all over whatever’s left of our hope for the future. But Man of Steel at least made it seem like anybody could hook up with Amy Adams if they did a bunch of steroids.

  • Mariani

    I don’t mean to be a troll, but were you really expecting a Superman film to be any good?
    It’s Superman… an invincible, all powerful thing. I just can’t see the appeal in that.
    At all.

  • Robephiles

    Mike was obviously joking about Superman calling Zod a motherfucker. (Notice how both Jay and Rich laugh.) They often use hyperbole in their reviews not just this one. It just seems more obvious because you disagree.

  • The PwnUltimate

    Superman is not invincible or all-powerful.

  • Bruce

    Hearing Rich Evans babble about Superman was physically painful. Clearly he knows nothing about the character. The movie was meh.

  • dnzo

    I’m glad they tore up this shlock.

  • loltard

    I dunno, I’ve seen them use hyberbole a lot of times, this one doesn’t come as “Hey guys i’m just pretending he said that”, and Jay and Rich’s reaction could as well be to the idea of him saying motherfucker. But I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    The review still feels very crass though. Obviously I’d like them to call out flaws in the movie and ridicule them in their own unique style they do, but paraphrased they basically say this movie has absolutely no merits at all, and I think that’s completely dishonest and baffling.

  • Richard Head

    The ending of this review would have been way better if Superman and Zod crashed through Plinkett’s house while fighting.

  • FDR

    Mike and Jay are from Wisconsin, a state which had the fifth highest business taxes in the country and was STILL $3.5 billion bucks in the hole when Gov. Walker took over. Public union pensions alone totaled 1.3 billion of that deficit, and public union workers were only paying $936 out of their annual average $19,128 family health insurance premium. I know you generous, soft-hearted liberal types aren’t much good at math, but that’s less than 5%.

    Do you know how much the average non-union, private sector worker pays into his healthcare, or his pension (if such a thing is even offered)? “Lavish” doesn’t begin to describe the sweetheart deals that were cut in backrooms for the Wisconsin unions, who were also the largest fundraisers for one of the ruling parties of “political officeholders” you seem to despise (guess which one). Their antics in the capitol were the real embarrassment, as was their humiliating and expensive failure at a recall election.

    Walker got a BIGGER percentage of the votes than he did the first election, because the reforms he was implementing were sensible and working. But the problems with public unions don’t begin and end in Wisconsin, either. Ever try to fire a New York City public school teacher?

    http://reason.com/assets/db/12639308918768.pdf

    I’m usually respectful and polite too, but let’s not mince words: you are the fucking moron, here. You’ve been fed a morphine drip of pretty-sounding lies and soft-left propaganda your entire life, and the result is that you cannot think clearly or critically about these sorts of complex issues… you just boil them down to comic book Good Guys and Bad Guys. You mention the glorious past of unionization without realizing that since those days the once useful and humane union concept has been metastasized like a cancer, and grown into another just cog in the political machine. It’s pay to play, and many large unions are playing with other people’s money.

    The truth is that Governor Scott Walker is actually to the LEFT of that frothing right wing, anti-union maniac, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who once said of public service unions: “The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.” FDR was dead set against the idea that public sector unionization should even be legal, since that would freeze the taxpayer out of the bargaining process. In other words, the politicians and the politically connected unions who fork over campaign funds and votes could directly bargain with other taxpayers’ money, and make up the difference in tax hikes and deficits. That is dumb, and shortsighted and wrong.

    Like you.

    Stalin is right. Either find a clue, or go huff some glue.

  • Ashley Beeching

    Man Of Steel was utterly mediocre,much like all the other summer blockbusters this year. Mainstream Hollywood really is catering for the lowest common denominator. To much money thrown at mindless special effects show-reels masquerading as movies.
    Endless, tedious action sequences are no substitute for good old fashioned storytelling and plotting.
    Thank Christ for mid budget action/comic book pictures like Dredd or I’d be giving up the multiplex for good!

  • Ass Hat

    I hated Man of Steel. However, I didn’t see it with Donner’s films in mind. I was excited to see a reinvention of the character. What I wasn’t happy to see was an script so lazy and terrible that it nearly made me walk out at the 2 hour mark. Just because people don’t like Man of Steel has nothing to do with the Donner films. While it’s impossible not to compare the two, it isn’t a factor in why I didn’t like MoS. I’m not even a big fan of Donner’s films. They’re good and all, but not masterpieces or anything.

    When Nolan made Batman Begins, people didn’t get upset because they were still attached to the Burton films. The difference is, Batman Begins was well received by critics and fans alike. Man of Steel really hasn’t been. This is a very dividing film. The reason people dislike the film so much is because it’s poorly written and executed. Seeing Superman fighting super villains is cool and all, but without any thought or substance in the story, there isn’t much there but a bunch of visual noise. It’s hard to enjoy when you’re just not invested in the characters or plot.

    It’s fine to like the film. Hell, having an opinion is one of the few freedoms we have left. But to say that the reason people are hating on Man of Steel is because it isn’t close enough in tone to Donner’s vision just isn’t correct. When you have virtually unlimited funds, a fantastic ensemble cast, and a classic property to explore…the one thing you should be able to get out of it is a solid, top-notch script. Instead, we got a complete trainwreck. THAT’S why people don’t like Man of Steel.

  • Graham

    This is by far the worst Half in the Bag movie review ever. Man of Steel aside, Its not even a movie review, it just watching a group of buddies sit on their asses and talk about how much they hated Man of Steel. I just kept thinking about how pathetic they are critiquing a movie when they make these half-assed, not funny, little shorts about vcr repair. You can really sense their jealousy and anger at the film makers because they cant seem to make it big on their own lack of artistic talent… by the way absolutely LOVE Plinkett reviews of Star Wars, Indy and Star Trek. This is just pathetic tho. They recommend The Dark Knight Rises but hate this film? Doesnt make sense to me.

  • infernocanuck

    It’s amazing how human beings don’t always think the same or have the same taste in movies, isn’t it?

  • Robby

    MR. PLINKETT’S HOUSE NOOOOOOOOOO

  • Ass Hat

    Why is it that every person who likes this film always says that the reason it has gotten a negative response is because people are hung up of Donner’s Superman films? Why can’t you just accept the fact that people dislike Man of Steel because it is a poorly written piece of dreck?

  • asfdlkJN

    Fuck these union jokes you reactionary hack frauds.

  • Ass

    Ahh, the old Justin Bieber fan tactic of calling someone jealous because they don’t like something.

  • Ass Hat

    Hahahaha! Remember when The Phantom Menace got shat on by pretty much everyone except fanboys? To this day I’ve never so many excuses made for a film being bad. I remember people saying “It’s the first part of the trilogy! It’s SUPPOSED to be boring! It’s just setting everything up!” I’m not even joking. These retards weren’t even trolling, either. They just could not accept reality and did all sorts of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they actually liked it.

  • Mr. Liberal Leftington McMarx

    We are not amused! Not one bit! I demand a refund, good sirs!

  • Mark Bisone

    Holy shit, are there “old” Justin Bieber fans already? I’ve got chancre sores older than that little flophaired lesbian!

  • loltard

    After thinking some more on it, it really feels like they started watching the movie, and then something early on just made them turn on it, never giving it a fair shot after that.

  • Dixon Bawls

    Wow; one of the best HITB episodes, and one of the better MOS reviews.
    I also think the film’s score (during the action scenes) was very underwhelming.

  • John Froster

    I love Man Of Steel, but if they happen to disagree with me on one movie i will be O.K with it. Half In The Bag have many good things to say over the years, and there Plinkett reviews have a lot to say about anything. Everyone have different taste and so like different movies.
    No one is going to agree with you 100% of the time, and why should they.

  • Mariani

    He’s ‘too super’, that’s what I mean.

  • Sarah Sachs

    No comments on shaky cam? I took my 70 year old father to see this for Father’s Day. When the movie ended, we sat in stunned silence, then my dad says “Whatever they did with that camera, they could’ve used less of it.”

    Seriously though, Warner Bros. fights tooth and nail almost every damned year against the Siegels’ and Shusters’ to maintain their copyright over the character. I ask why!?! If you’re obviously too embarrassed to call Superman Superman and spend millions of dollars trying to distance yourself from the character, why not just let it go and create Ripped Muscle Gun Man or whatever?

  • Dick

    Did you get paid by Marvel Comics to give good reviews to all their movies or did DC Comics not give you enough for you to give them the good reviews?

  • Ottovonruthless

    What do you qualify as a movie review then if not as how much a person hates or loves a movie? It’s art you can’t plug art into a mathematical formula to get its value. That’s all reviews are is someone in this case three people saying why they didn’t like a movie. It’s obvious you liked this movie but instead of citing reasons why you disagree you’re just bashing them because you think they have some sort of hatred for Hollywood and blockbusters. Also there is a level of stupidity when you say they have a lack of artistic talent and you also state you love the Plinkett review that I find thoroughly hilarious.

  • Guest696969

    No This Is The End?

  • guest

    i just listened to this so called review and i am fucking offended!!this is a great movie and it is deep, mature, smart!!!if you cant see how great it was theb you prove you know nothin about movies!!!

  • Miss Eris

    You absolutely LOVE it when they rip every other franchise that’s been turned to crap, but when they rip this one, which has also turned to crap, suddenly they’re just jealous hacks. The Dark Knight Rises, for all its flaws, was a much better film than this one, and that’s the consensus of critics around the world, not just these guys. Perhaps they’re all just jealous hacks. Perhaps everyone who doesn’t agree with you is just a jealous hack…

  • Wombat

    They did say that they enjoyed the Dark Knight films, so you’re wrong there.

  • Miss Eris

    They pretty much shat all over Into Darkness too, and the Trekkie rage was just as immense as the DC rage is today.

  • Miss Eris

    Or maybe they honestly believe it blew.

  • morris

    The truth is; the problem with this movie is that we don’t spend enough time with any of the side characters to care about them, the write is lazy and Lois Lane has no charisma. The End.

  • Miss Eris

    Best comment in the thread, sadly.

  • stolliosis

    Holy crap! Are you kidding? I liked the movie even though I can recognize its problems and faults. Some brought up by the guys that are valid, some I just don’t quite agree with. But it isn’t like they shit on your sandwich. They simply didn’t like it. And their reviews are still insightful and funny as shit.

  • Miss Eris

    It was Alien Invaders Vs Big Muscle Man: The Motion Picture

  • http://bit.ly/cnX6ad Bazzzinga

    Well neither was Prometheus when you get right down to it, it was a pretty looking mess of unexplored themes, plot holes and heavy handed symbolism which when you think about it pretty much sums up Man of Steel as well. The point is they defended Prometheus because like Man of Steel it was an ambitious sci-fi movie which although being flawed and lacking great amounts of real depth was trying to be something more than the standard summer schlock which Hollywood releases in the genre. And it’s because of this I find it funny that Mike and Jay are both showing such open hostility towards it, glossing over any of it’s positives without mention, nitpicking over its problems and even going so far as too say it was the worse movie of the year (hyperbole it’s popular with the kids these days) especially when they ridiculed the Prometheus haters for doing the exact same thing!

    Now dont get me wrong I found Man of Steel dissapointing but much like Prometheus I’m kind of perplexed by the levels of hate it’s recieving.

  • bickle2

    I’m a comic nerd appalled by the electric cactus gang rape of Superman.

  • randomshane

    I always like watching HITB whether they tear a movie up or enjoy it, whether they have the same thoughts or completely different opinion. I was actually surprised about their thoughts on MoS. Not that they hated it, that’s all good, I rather enjoyed it. I’m surprised about the level of Superman mythology that was changed and how it seemed to bother them.
    It’s far from perfect movie, I just don’t hold onto the character like a lot of people do. I want to be entertained by a movie, and this did that. I want to be surprised by a comic book movie and this did that.

  • guest

    then someone farts

  • Miss Eris

    I think its so endemic a problem in hollywood now that perhaps they just didn’t feel the need to bring it up. You’re totally right though. I’m this close to starting up a collection to buy some tripods so I can donate them to filmmakers in the hopes that they’ll take the hint.

  • Sam
  • Guest

    I enjoyed Man of Steel but I still really enjoyed RLM’s review of it and agreed with some of the points they made. The DC fanboys need to calm down and realize that everyone has their own opinion.

  • whip

    How is it that you folks who say these things can’t realize you are engaging in textbook rationalizing?

  • William Stone

    As usual, I’m totally on-board with this review.

    I saw the movie in IMAX 3D. Very exciting effects. That’s all.

    All three of the summer blockbusters let me down:

    Iron Man 3 was filled with henchmen who were disabled American veterans. I’m a college professor with a lot of vet students, and that left a bad taste in my mouth.

    Star Trek Into Darkness was exciting, but stupid.

    Man of Steel is just another big, dumb action movie.

    Meh. Time to go back and watch the Donner film for the millionth time.

  • jimbo

    This is the most I have ever disagreed with Mike and Jay. Everything they said was wrong. Everything. The worst thing was that they hated Superman for punching Zod in the face, after he tried to kill his mother. What the fuck? What the hell is wrong with that? What’s Superman suppose to do? Let his mom die and cry like a bitch?

    They kept repeating the same thing. “Not my Superman. Not in my Superman movie. Not in my Superman comic book.” What the fuck are they blathering on about? He’s not a fucking hippie. He’s Superman. Superman punches bad guys. That’s what he does. That’s what he has always done. There’s even a term for it. The Superman punch. What cowardly pacifist “Superman” are they talking about?

    There’s something that I’ve noticed getting more prevalent in our society and it’s disturbing to me. Not just people talking about fiction, but people talking about crime in real life. People blame heroes for the crimes of monsters. Zod kills millions of people. But instead of blaming Zod for being a mass murdering psycho, they blame Superman. Why? Because deep down, these people hate heroes. They want everybody to be just as bad as they are. I’m disappointed in Mike, Jay and Rich for joining their dishonorable ranks.

  • Louis Gonzales

    “Because deep down, these people hate heroes.”

    Uh… Mike and Jay liked ‘The Dark Knight’ and ‘The Avengers’.

  • guest

    silence, douchehole!

  • Johann Schmidt

    That’s what I was thinking as well. The destructive danger level should escalate with each movie say; Lex Luthor, Zod, Darkseid.

  • Kevin Baird

    In the Donner film, Superman can’t take the kryptonite off of his neck even though he’s still strong enough to keep himself afloat. Then he flies around the earth to change it’s rotation and reverse time and events. I’m not saying Man of Steel is brilliant but…. come on.

  • Pixelsmack

    Mike and Jay watched a different film. Then again, it seems all “critics” did. Fans of super hero action films love it.

  • Johann Schmidt

    I can pinpoint the exact moment when I new something was seriously wrong with the movie. When Pa Kent tells Superman NOT to save him from a tornado just because people will see and he lets him die. That scene blew my fucking mind! Superman would never ever do that, his whole character is based around the fact he always has to sacrifice himself for the benefit of others. This usually manifest itself in the fact that as much as he wants to be a regular human he can never achieve that.

    Anyways it set the mood for Superman doing absolutely nothing to safe guard anyone in the movie.. Have battles in populated areas when he could of lured the baddies away with ease since the only reason they were even there was because he was there. It made him come off as a cold hearted monster.

    The fights were cool enough, just not enough to make sitting through 2 hours poorly done melodrama worth it.

  • Mike Jakermen

    You know every time they go to the interviews with Zack Snyder. He sound so pretentious. Like they just got done directing Spartacus. Its pretty bad that this movie makes Superman Returns seem good.

  • Tyler AitchKay

    But TDKR sucked

  • William Stone

    I think you have a point about blaming the wrong people, but when watching a movie I remember what my acting guru said, 20 years ago:

    “Theater is planned, rehearsed spontaneity.”

    Movies don’t just happen, they’re planned. So when Superman has huge fights with no apparent regard to the safety of bystanders, that’s PLANNED. It doesn’t happen by accident.

    Assigning blame to others in the real world is bad. Criticizing a situation planned and produced and executed by filmmakers is just pointing out bad filmmaking.

    By having no apparent regard for bystanders, Superman looks callous. That was PLANNED.

  • Sully

    Zach, is that you?

  • Mike Jakermen

    Yeah but ill take it over this nonsense.

  • decora

    What does Mike’s jizz taste like?

    America.

  • decora

    superman in the comics had struggles about killing. theres difference between a coward and a self-doubting violent hero with pacifist tendencies. when people say ‘the american way’ thats pretty much exactly what the fuck they mean. “we didnt start it, but we will finish it” – the catchphrases of world wars i and ii and korea applied to the US foreign policy philosophy for a good chunk of the 20th century. it was what differentiated us from the soviets and the nazis and the maoists.

    hundreds of thousands of people did die, without the movie commenting on it, at all. not even showing a single person die. its idiotic on a fundamental level.

  • Ass Hat

    Butthurt. OH MY GOD look at all this butthurt. This is butthurt that I will be able to tell my grandkids about someday. Sitting on the front porch with a glass of lemonade in my hand, while little Timmy and little Sally run up to me wide-eyed…

    “Grandpa, Grandpa! Tell us a story!”

    “About my time in World War III?”

    “No! No! About the great Butthurt Act of 2013 that we learned about in history class today!”

    “Ah. What a dark time it was. Well, kids. Many, many years ago, when I was a much younger man…there was one of those moving pictures that came out that they called ‘Man of Steel.’ This moving picture was a retelling of the age-old story of Superman. When it came out, the movie was hated by many and loved by many. While many were respectful towards opposing views, some reacted with venomous words. They are nearly extinct today, but back then they were known as “Fanboys” and they were a loathsome, virginal lot. You see, another man about 35 or so years earlier made a couple of these Superman pictures. The people who hated this ‘Man of Steel’ were accused relentlessly of being loyal to the early Donner pictures when it wasn’t the case. The ones who hated it complained of such fundamental things. Things that were necessary for every other picture ever made, yet the Fanboys convinced themselves that these things did not apply to ‘Man of Steel.’ Things such as the writing. Characters with purpose. Structure. Feelings! Nevertheless, the Fanboys were convinced that those who hated it were “stupid and just didn’t get it,” and given a black “S” to wear on our clothing.

    “You mean that people didn’t like it because it had no soul, Grandpa?”

    “That’s correct, my dear. You see, this was back in the time when these things became less common place. Writers were losing their touch and the almighty box office opening weekend was the only consideration, and moving pictures became soulless, noisy things without heart or emotion. People began mistaking emotional investment with characters with slow-motion explosions with sad orchestral music and choirs playing over them. Or a slow-motion image of a man underwater or in space with his arms spread like Christ. They became confused and manipulated. Standards bottomed out. Things like this are what the Fanboys came to expect and demand, violently if they had to.”

    “So…so what happened?” I lit my pipe.

    “Well, Timmy, things changed. They started calling this sort of thing “ADHD cinema.” Films that celebrated style over substance without any sense of adventure or hope. Those who disliked ‘Man of Steel’ were forced into camps. They were tortured and made to watch the picture several times and repeat things like “This is not Richard Donner’s Superman” and “I didn’t understand the great ‘Man of Steel’s’ true genius” thousands of times over, daily. However, they revolted. The case was made because they had science on their side. An institution back then known as Rotten Tomatoes, before they replaced the executive branch of the government, came to our aid. They argued that the film was universally “rotten” with a score of 56%. The Fanboys argued that the system was flawed. They were right, but their argument of “your just stipid adn gay” didn’t hold up. They knew they had lost.”

    “So what happened then?”

    “Well, this series of events brought about the Butthurt Act of 2013. It put into law that any Fanboy who decides to slander someone in disagreement is banished into the exile of watching another moving picture from 1998 called ‘Godzilla.’ You see, this ‘Godzilla’ picture had the same flaws as ‘Man of Steel,’ yet no one criticized anyone for not liking it as it had no support. The ‘Godzilla’ picture was also a reinvention of a classic yarn. It was about a radioactive lizard who destroys civilizations along with great numbers of their people. This picture also lacked any kind of creativity in its writing, characters, or story just the same as ‘Man of Steel.’ Yet with that ‘Man of Steel’ picture, people were told that they weren’t smart enough to understand the brilliance of the poor writing. They were told they were partial to Marvel, a group who were also in the superhero business. The moral of the story is, kids…people who don’t like something usually have good reasons for doing so. Fanboys who like these pictures were never able to understand that and made up all sorts of exaggerations and lost their collective nerve. You see, some people want a little more than CGI and explosions. Fanboys don’t.”

    “Wow, Grandpa! I had no idea it could be that bad. I hope it never happens again. Grandpa, what did you think of ‘The Man of Steel?’

    “Well, Timmy, I’ll tell you. Don’t repeat this and don’t tell your mother.”

    “Ok!”

    “Piece of fucking shit, Timmy. A gigantic piece of goddamn shit.”

    THE END

  • Ass Hat

    I’m a fan of superhero films. This is the worst film I’ve seen all year. So try again.

  • JarJarJawa

    Good. Let the butthurt flow through you.

  • Sully

    Or why she was allowed to visit a top secret military expedition to explore an “anamoly” in the arctic, or how a civilian (Clark Kent) got a job as a luggage handler at that same top secret base camp?

  • Louis Gonzales

    Denny’s secret ingredient!

  • Guest

    I feel the point Mike and Jay were making was a bit more subtle than that. The key to the nature of Superman is that he cares about the sanctity of ALL human life. It is a pillar of his character.

    He would do all he could to fight Zod in an arena that would minimize civilian casualties (space, a cornfield, etc). Or, at the very least he would look to protect those around him as the battle rages. Yet he shows pretty much zero concern for anyone close to the battle.

    You know what would have been cool? Superman sacrificing himself and making the fight with Zod harder by going out of his way to protect civilians. And still kicking Zod’s ass in the end. But he doesn’t even try to limit the damage and carnage around him.

    Mike and Jay were merely pointing out how this is not very heroic behavior, which is correct. And to point this out does not mean that they are giving approval to Zod’s actions. The only way someone could think that (even by implication) is if they started watching the review with a political agenda of their own. Phrases like “Cowardly pacifist” kinda hint that this might be the case. For your sake, I do hope not.

    As for smacking Zod about, I’ve no problem with Supes doing that. But the way it was done in the movie was so OUT OF PLACE for a Superman film. The character is supposed to be noble, self-sacrificing and someone that rises above their enemies. Seeing him laying into Zod and swearing in his face doesn’t really fit with that. Again, an inconsistency the boys correctly pointed out.

    I think Mike and Jay love Heroes. I think Rich really does, but that’s another story. The way they help us to aspire to be better, how they embody the side of mankind that would rather offer a handshake of reconciliation than the fist of vengeance.

    Someone who would avert war rather than seek it, as so many of the villains in Super hero movies seem to do. ( I think ‘cowardly warmonger’ could describe many comic book villains too) Someone who does what’s right no matter the cost to themselves. THAT’S a hero and as Superman is the hero’s hero, that is why he represents these traits to so many and is also why Man of Steel fails to understand what we love about the character.

    P.S If you are trolling then well done. First rate work. Unlike the movie.

  • decora

    ive got an idea.

    take a gigantic banana. now peel it. now say ‘im a banana cock sucker’. then just sit there for 10 minutes uncomfortably staring at it.

    now, you can get that into tribeca, sundance, toronto, cannes, etc. after all, Trash Humpers did.

    finally, make money and get your mansion in Architectural Digest. Then when they do the interview, just start saying Im A Banana Cock Sucker again and then just freeze up for 10 minutes.

  • randomshane

    stupid rational people :P

  • Ass Hat

    Why can’t you accept the fact that people hate this film because the writing eats a dick?

    “Not my Superman. Not in my Superman movie. Not in my Superman comic book.”
    – They never said that or even implied it. And don’t bring up the Donner thing. They didn’t imply that either.

    “Everything they said was wrong. Everything.”
    – How is someone’s opinion and honest critique wrong? You fucking fanboys just can’t accept the fact that this movie has not been well received, can you?

    “There’s something that I’ve noticed getting more prevalent in our society and it’s disturbing to me. Not just people talking about fiction, but people talking about crime in real life.”
    – Oh…my…fucking…god. It’s a movie about an alien who wears tights. It’s a movie. It’s escapism. The fact that people don’t like a movie has nothing to do with society. It’s about the fact that the movie sucked.

    “Zod kills millions of people. But instead of blaming Zod for being a mass murdering psycho, they blame Superman. Why? Because deep down, these people hate heroes.”
    – Because none of this shit would have ever happened if Kal-El never landed on Earth. Superman saved Earth from HIMSELF.

    “I’m disappointed in Mike, Jay and Rich for joining their dishonorable ranks.”
    -Just give it up, man.

  • decora

    where the fuck is Jesse, and Alan Ginsburg and Michael Stipe? (Josh, jack whatever)

  • Guest

    That, that’s poetry man! : )

  • Joseph Frank

    Yes, Mike, Jay and Rich are obviously amoral, hero hating, Nazi, communist, anarchist Satanists like all critics that disagree with your viewpoint on a certain film. Congrats on uncovering the dreadful truth.

    Superman was never a pacifist, but he was also never somebody that just mindlessly flung himself or his adversaries into buildings. Superman had a brain.

    I didn’t hate the film, and it certainly wasn’t the stupidest Superman movie (looking at you Part 3!) but it wasn’t terribly smart either and it didn’t have the nostalgic and campy charm of the first two.

  • capitandelespacio

    Not long time ago this comment section wasn’t so violent, cynic and stupid. Chill the fuck up and try to comment on the movie/video and keep low the hipster-attitude. I remember the review of the Hobbit and the reaction was awfull. Again, this happens. I think people has to chill the fuck up.

    I loved Man Of Steel and in my opinion the commentary about Iron Man was out of place. It’s kinda odd comparison and have risen not so clever feedback.

    I love you guys, keep the good job.

  • https://soundcloud.com/vincentdior Vincent Dior

    i agree

  • https://soundcloud.com/vincentdior Vincent Dior

    these people are commenting hella foul

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    Yeah, Hans Zimmer now makes a career endlessly plagiarizing his score from Gladiator. The guy has lost all originality.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    What the fuck is a Marvelite?

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    That was basically a Super Man movie too, when you think about it.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    Regardless of what people think of the product placement in MoS, the clip they played from Mac and Me was worth it.

  • http://www.plasticpals.com/ Robotbling

    They weren’t really praising the Donner movies, just pointing out that they at least made Super Man more of a hero who cares about civilians and does what he can to save them.

  • Lead Sharp

    I’m a fan of Superhero films, and this review was spot on.

  • https://twitter.com/theericlarson monsieur larson

    Extremis did purely whatever the screenwriters wanted to out of convenience. No stakes in the video game action. I could go on! Bleh

  • Ass Hat

    Mike: “It was loud, it was stupid. Not in a Michael Bay-stupid way, but it was just kind of like…it was dumb, it was blunt, and obvious, and just poorly written and annoying…”

    Fanboys: “Nuh-uh! You’re just too stupid get get it! This isn’t Donner’s Superman, IDIOT. Fuckin’ Marvel sympathizer!”

    Pretty much the theme of discussion here.

  • Lead Sharp

    Thank you. This is one of those rare moments when I know I shouldn’t give a shit about other peoples opinion but the love for this joyless crap was starting to get on my tits.

    EVERY word of this review is spot on, every word. To the point I’m convinced there’s something wrong with the people who ‘loved it’.

  • Guesty

    I haven’t seen the movie, but it sounds like they may have given a good setup for Lex Luthor that isn’t as stupid as the previous movies. Lexcorp could step in and help rebuild Metropolis, earning Luthor a lot credit in the public’s eye. And all the destruction could serve as motive for Luthor to hate Superman and Luthor could use his popularity to try and make people to see Superman as nothing more than a destructive alien. They make it sound as if Superman told the military to go fuck themselves at the end, so maybe they work with Luthor to create some new thing for him to punch.

    Though, from the sound of it, I’m not sure how much more shit they could blow up.

  • Marshall Lance

    I’m disappointed with this one guys… I really enjoyed Man of Steel and I’ve loved and followed Superman for about 20 years, since I was a kid. I think that with Comic Book movies in particular, you seem to apply a non-comic book movie meter to weigh them, and I don’t believe all movies should be judged using the same standards. Whatever! I am an intelligent adult and I liked this movie!

  • decora

    next up – a charlie brown movie where he starts beating the shit out of lucy for taking his football. “you were meant to to change things, charlie” , says the teacher, trombone-sounds being translated by subtitles.

  • decora

    never understood the epithet “reactionary”. whats supposed to be the opposite? Actionary? How the fuck is that better?

  • randomshane

    sure why the fuck not? it’s a goddamn movie not the end of the world..that’s a different movie

  • whip

    Any inference of some attack on intelligence regarding liking this movie is simply that. An inference on your part.

  • Knives182

    Do they really think Superman calls Zod a motherfucker, or are they just reaching for more things to hate on this movie about? The line is something like: “You think you can threaten my mother?” C’mon guys…

  • Marshall Lance

    Also, Superman didn’t say “Motherfucker” while punching Zod in the face; he said “you think you can hurt my mother?!” Therefore that whole bit of your critique is invalid.

  • Specimen B

    specifically, he destroys a device that was threatening the entire planet and that the beam from zod’s ship would not work without (as we see that as soon as he destroys the world engine, the beam from zod’s ship also ceases, allowing the military to finally get close enough to deliver the payload)…i find that more supermanish.

  • whip

    downvoting it doesn’t make it untrue. Absolute text book rationalizing going on in that post. When people forced to say things like “Its not perfect” and openly acknowledge many flaws.. but STILL say “but I like it!”, that’s textbook rationalizing.

    I only hope someone says that extremely stupid line about “Not being afraid of being rational” in response. That’s the stupidest thing anyone can ever say in response to being accused of rationalizing. Because rationalizing is not about being rational. It’s about employing rationales to support a decision they should otherwise know is wrong. Not being rational. The use of rationales for a incorrect position.

    It is actually FURTHER rationalizing if anything.

  • decora

    the point is that the movie took everything about past superman that was cool, the fun, the camp, the creativity, the actual heroism, and made a dark, depressing, ultraviolent ‘action film’ where hundreds of thousands of people get murdered.

    the ‘rescue mom’ scene is specific. he doesnt save ma in a staredown or a simple scene, nor does he pontificate on his principles or even have a short, catchy phrase about morals… he saves ma by destroying several city blocks in the most violent way imaginable.

    yes. the dark and serious tone is worthy of mokcery. these people are making comic book movies, but they act like they are making a documentary on child slavery for pbs frontline.

    the only thing mike jay and rich leave out is to self-deprecatingly call themselves old farts, and say maybe this is what the young people like. ultra violent dark, depressing shit. it might have something to do with their age and the iraq/afghan wars, neither of which existed in the 80s/90s. maybe we are in a new 70s (post vietnam) where filmmakers want to Say Something While Blowing Stuff Up. (Heart of Darkness). then again, Star Wars is from the end of the 70s.

  • Mossier

    Also, it was just not a well made MOVIE.

    The script was terrible, unrelated to Superman.

  • decora

    the movie itself is crass. its loud, its violent, the camera shakes. its not a story so much as an experience – hey filmgoer, wanna know what its like to be punched at 100mph for 2 hours ? ok this is the film for you. walk out with your ears bleeding.

  • Ass Hat

    ^ yup

  • whip

    Are you serious? Aren’t you the one who proclaimed being an intelligent adult a few posts back? Way to back that up by clearly missing the obvious (and routine) use of hyperbole they often employ.

    Like when they purposely state the wrong movie name, or actor names. It’s a comedic device. Hyperbole and a comedic device.

    People call their reviews nitpicky.. but this kind of response from you is actually real nitpicking. You are looking for any reasons to discredit the review (due to your own emotional investment in liking the film). Even to the extent of feigning ignorance about their obvious and routine use of hyperbole for comedic effect.

    Not so smart I think…

  • overZealous

    Can’t believe how much I hated that commercial.

  • whip

    See above response.. dummy. You guys are like so biased it skews your perspective so badly you nitpick about obvious, routine, commonly used hyperbole and rhetorical devices they use for comedic effect.

    Get over it. They hated your movie. Why does this destroy you guys so much?

  • Knives182

    Really dude? It is clearly not a joke in the video. No reaction shot, no smile, they don’t linger on it at all…they’re making it as a legitimate critique of the movie. Your denial is…mind-boggling.

  • decora

    yes. the base was on canadian soil and a canadian court forced them to allow her in.

  • whip

    I mean what’s next.. you gonna suggest Mike actually thinks After Earth was really called After Birth 2: Electric Boogaloo? Or that Brandon Routh was in this movie? Have you actually watched these reviews previous to this? Like.. ever?

  • decora

    but who can forget, duh— duh duh duh duh—–, daa daaa daaa. duh—- duh duh duh duh—–, 9/11. !!!!

  • guest

    How is it out of place? They were both comic book movies that tried doing something different from the source, one did good, the other not.

  • Mendoza

    there’s a lot of hilarious butthurt on the comments

  • decora

    many of us would love to live in a town where we can rib-poke make fun of unions. i dont think i know anyone who is actually in a union, and only one who was ever actually in one in their entire life.

  • Ass Hat

    No shit, Sherlock. You can’t be that thick, can you?

    “Medic! We’ve got a class 5 case of butthurt over here! Bring all the Preparation H you can carry!”

  • Knives182

    Again, those jokes are delivered totally differently. You’re totally full of it here. Or clueless.

    Also, I thought the movie was decent, nothing more. I’m not defending it out of some emotional attachment, or defending it at all, actually; I’m just disappointed by this gaffe on Mike & Jay’s part.

  • Dennis Cornetta

    I demand more Rich Evans in funny hats!

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    LOVE THESE GUYS!!!!
    Best review of this joyless, misguided, stupid piece of crap I could imagine!
    Of course, they’ll learn who it was made for and who they could recommend it to, if they read the comments on their site.

  • decora

    i doubt it. Rich did not destroy the walls of the set, and i cant see a scenario where they stop Plinkett but leave those walls in tact. of course icouldbewrong

  • Dixon Bawls

    The Great Butthurtening

  • decora

    are you talking about superman or Rich Evans?

  • decora

    do you have any idea how fucking irritating that is? are you the asshole at the concert who yells out song titles?

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    I love you, Ass Hat, but we still can’t get married in most states.

  • Knives182

    What is so butthurt about that? He’s pointing out a legitimate mistake in the review. Seems like you & whip are jumping on the “If you didn’t hate the movie, you’re a butthurt idiot” bandwagon, but while you’re spouting “No shit, Sherlock” & calling people dummies, the folks you’re insulting are posting legitimate criticisms of the review–or at least not being actively rude.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Pretentious?
    I think he just sounds like an idiot frat-jock.
    “Gee, I’m so lucky to make movies. I’mma visionary! I got Christopher Nolan’s phone number and people LIKE him!”

  • decora

    its not that he didnt save them, its that in the next shot hes laughing about smashing a drone. 100,000+ people dead, how about a fucking ceremony?

  • decora

    what formula is that though?

  • CUF

    How sad that these people waste their time just to reveal how stupid they are to everyone. At least now I know I never have to waste my time coming back. Thank fuck, cause 10 seconds into this video I could feel my IQ dropping just from viewing these noobs in action.

  • decora

    its funny.

    if you live in a bible thumping megachurch city like, say, little rock, you probably make fun of tv preachers.

    they live in wisconsin.

  • Calum

    These people complaining jesus christ. I enjoyed the movie. Can’t you accept other people’s opinions. Stop being twelve and realize that people like different things…

  • Calum

    The people in the comments I mean

  • decora

    oh shut the fuck up. the young generation never got a union and the unions ignored them. the ‘protections’ they won are largely absent from the younger generation working at checkout counters in box stores or on help desks in call centers or fast food lines. not sure what the unions have been doing for the last 30 years, but protecting labor aint it. whining about politics is not acceptable – do you think the unions of 1905 sat around bitching about the political situation? no, they just organized.

    the unions are just another failed institution, like the political parties, the banks, etc. its hilarious to watch people defend them with such gusto.

  • andy

    LMFAO, can you hear mike and jay laughing in the background?

  • decora

    blow it out your ass. the corruption involved in the iraq war and the bank bailouts dwarfs anything the unions did in wisconsin. walker is never going to go after goldman sachs, because hes an intellectual coward.

  • decora

    the kryptonians sent a dud ewith some black sludge to drink and… oh wait . .

  • Ass Hat

    The “motherfucker” part was a joke that you obviously didn’t get.

  • decora

    they could also have jumped over the eye beams with a king fu spin, like Babydoll in Snyd’ers Suckerpunch

  • decora

    Marlboro is helping Superman get that cool, clean taste that the other brands just can’t match. Superman likes Marlboro because 4 out of 5 doctors recommend it. Superman likes Marlboro because stage iv lung cancer is better than having to watch a 3 hour 100 decibel video game.

  • USUCK

    you should watch the whole thing…these guys are really funny….watch a few other reviews because they are actually smart….probably smarter than you since they make money doing this.

  • decora

    Prometheus was like the first part of Superman. Jay’s problem is the last part of superman, which Prometheus doesn’t have anything to match, except maybe the final ‘roll’ sequence which lasts less than like 5 minutes.

  • whip

    We aren’t jumping on anything. This kind of comments from people are remarkably ignorant. Ignorant of the history of this series, and the things they do for comedic effect.

    Anyone who seriously objects to this as a legitimate gripe about the review is engaging in nitpicking at best. It’s not remotely legitimate criticism. It’s an obvious, commonly used technique of theirs. It should be obvious to anyone with any sense that he was joking, by the way that Rich and Jay started laughing hysterically.

    But ya, you guys go ahead and consider this a valid criticism LOL

    And you couldn’t be more wrong about how people are posting. Do you read the comments here? The vast majority of people who hate this review are saying idiotic things and engaging in numerous fallacies. Such as suggesting some outright bias towards Marvel. Ad hominem attacks on Mike and Jay and Rich.

    Where is this substance you speak of? What legitimate criticism of the the review? Fucking nitpicking an obvious joke? Strawman implications of bias? People saying stupid shit like “well it’s flawed but I LIKE IT!”?

    I see not a single substantive or thoughful critique of this review. I see butthurt whiners.

  • decora

    Prometheus had much less violence, and much more science and philosophy.

  • decora

    he also really likes it when a character slides across the ground, tearing up the very top layer of pavement/dirt and leaving a huge gash.

  • LibertyR

    To activate the bomb that was on the plane. That was her job.

  • decora

    “why is he walking like that” yes.

    but they are re-using the walls of the set, apparently.

  • decora

    did you make up the word “fan tard”?

    i am from logvania and cannot be to understand this is being. fuck stick.

  • Filmmaker

    These guys look like they spent too much time being locked up in a high school locker. This is the problem with the internet, give anybody a camcorder and “my opinion is valid.” Does the movie have problems? Sure it does, but these guys are fan boy idiots with no real understanding of the process of film making. Give a review worth watching, don’t waste my time, ladies.

  • whip

    Don’t let the door hit ya. No one gives a fuck. You aren’t special or desired more than anyone else. If at all.

  • decora

    no, it wasnt.

    on 9/11 people dove off buildings. they hit the ground. there were thuds. there was paper everywhere. there were thousands of first responders coming to the city.

    journalists were taking no piss breaks and going on 72 hour reporting streaks on live tv. when the dust came, people died from it for tears.

    in superman mos the same thing happens, there are no first responders barely at all, and the journalist goes on a plane ride to drop a bomb, and nobdoy seems to be falling, diving, at all.

  • whip

    You can’t be serious. I am sure you are just trolling now. If not.. God help you. If you missed Jay and Rich laughing hysterically and what that implied.. well I dunno what to say. Hopeless comes to mind.

    I think you are projecting with the denial shit.

  • Meester Smeeth

    So, does this one go in the bin with Green Lantern? Are there any canonical ties to The Dark Knight trilogy, nods, winks, references, easter eggs or whatever? If so, how does AVP fit into all of this?

  • David T.

    It reminds me of what they said about Vader in the Episode 3 review – he’s the central figure in the story, the most important person in the universe, for no reason other than because he was important to the viewer before they saw the story.

    Same deal here with Superman, he’s supposedly a hero to the masses who provides an example for us to live by because he was that to the viewer before they ever saw the movie, therefore the movie doesn’t bother to establish this. It’s awful, lazy, poorly thought-out story telling.

  • Parismio

    Wow now that is a lie.

  • whip

    Pfft.. typical dismissal and hand waving / minimalizing of them to discredit their work. Typical ad hominem fallacy.

    And really bad use of hyperbole. To suggest RLM is just some idiots with camcorders who think they know it all is ludicrously dismissive and insulting.

    I don’t want to bother to try to educate you further than that. You came in here simply to attack them personally in order to dismiss or handwave their review. You offer no substance. Just ad hominem attack and attempts to discredit people.

    And like many who make the charge, you have no idea what fanboy means. Fanboys defend, not attack. The fanboys are the ones crying about this review. Like you.

    You deserve no better response. And you have quite a high opinion of yourself if you think anyone here is bothered that you don’t like it, or this isn’t the place for you.

    In fact, it’s not the place for you. GTFO and realize no one cares or will even remember your name 5 minutes later.

  • guest

    Who are you and why are you commenting on this video like you’ve never seen anything Red Letter Media has done before. Clearly you have or you wouldn’t be here. You didn’t just stumble across this page. You’ve probably made ten other comments under ten different usernames here as well, just to try and make it look like other people think these guys are “losers” or something.

  • guest

    You can’t be this fucking dense, can you?

    Please tell me you’re kidding. Please, oh dear God please tell me you’re kidding.

    Because if you truly are this stupid, you really shouldn’t be allowed access to the internet.

  • chud

    The answer is quite simple: you’re a moron.

  • whip

    Especially considering one of the biggest things people are clinging towards in defending this movie is how it should be looked at as a complete reboot in a vacuum. Such as no other Superman movies existed. Imagine this was the first and only one. It’s a “valid interpretation” and all that jazz.

    Except they skip all the proper development of the character and rely too much on the fact that everyone knows who Superman is.

    And they get the character so ridiculously wrong it’s not even funny.

  • goo

    Could you maybe provide some actual criticism instead of just “lol these guys are losers” comments? Your statements are completely hollow.

    Also, considering that there are hundreds of comments on this episode, I would say it’s safe to say that quite a few people are watching RLM’s work.

  • guest

    I have prepared a 600 page review on why you are wrong. I will quote from it now; “The Man of Steel is the greatest film ever. If you don’t agree then you are stupid-pants….”

  • whip

    Great start. Want to hear more!

  • UCHUBomb

    so many people mad at a video on the internet!!!

  • Nir Shalev

    I picked up on the sarcasm but it still doesn’t work as a coherent statement.

  • BeyondGullible

    I can’t believe Superman said “mother-fucker”. I will not be taking my mother to see this as planned. Thanks for warning me, RLM.

  • http://bit.ly/cnX6ad Bazzzinga

    Uhm OK? you do remember that bit when a guy was burnt alive… oh and when Shaw had to go into a self surgery capsule to graphically remove an alien from her stomach or when that guy’s face melted oh and let’s not forget the penis snake which violently broke that guys arm and then shoved itself down his throat? … And you do also remember of course when the movie bought up interesting philosophical questions about maintaining faith in the light of scientific contradictions to said faith and then forgot about them and that bit where it said the engineers had 100% DNA match too humans even though we arent 9 feet tall and grey also that bit whe-… oh screw it you get my point.

  • Guest

    Thats a misquote. He actually said something more along the lines of “you think you can threaten my mother?”

  • everyone is stupid

    Look at OP’s user name, Guest. He’s making fun of the dipshits that are leaving comments here that don’t get that Mike was making a joke.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    No. That just means the sound is so bad that people can mis-hear the dialogue.

    Another example of why this film is a mess.

    Also, it doesn’t mean the bit of their critique is invalid. It just means you don’t want to hear it. Regardless of the actual words coming out of Superman’s mouth, in that scene, he’s punching another character in the face with uncontrollable rage and violence. Hence, he’s not acting like Superman. You may get all excited with that scene in the context of your little, cynical, “Superman would be a bad-ass if Superman were real” world-view, but the criticism remains valid as a motherfucker. That’s not Superman. That’s some character in a revenge movie that Samuel Jackson should play.

  • UCHUBomb

    No you fool, Superman very clearly called Zod a, “bitch ass motherfucker.” Get it right!!!

  • yodaman

    I agree with everything in this video.

  • Saltonstall

    Let it go. Some people like Prometheus, some don’t. At this point, talking about it is annoying as hell.

  • Captain Prickhard

    It would have had to be one of those rich high schools with the double-wide lockers.
    Also, Rich Evans is good as Mr. Plinkett but amusingly bad as a joe six-pack’.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Fans of superhero action films…
    Yeah, we should listen to THOSE people.

  • Saltonstall

    Yeah, I felt that they had a real bone to pick with this one, for some reason. They didn’t like Into Darkness either, but not once in that review did I feel like they were unjustly ragging on it. Also, someone needs to erase the word “joyless” from the dictionary. It’s overused, and I loathe it intensely.

  • filmmaker

    Hollow? I don’t think so. These gentlemen come off in a non-professional manner. Three guys sitting around, poking fun a movie….. and It’s been done to death. I don’t find their “work” engaging. Sorry Mendoza but that’s how I see it. Now of course, you would likely come back and say my opinion doesn’t matter…And your right.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Part 3? Really? You think that’s worse than 4?
    It wasn’t great. I can’t argue. But, it did have that whole surreal Clark v. Superman bit that was better than anything in the first two.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Dishonorable?
    This guy isn’t just butt-hurt. He’s delusionally butt-hurt.
    “People blame heroes for the crimes of monsters.”
    No. People put “heroes” on YouTube and ignore the crimes of paid corporate mercenaries who slaughter civilians for cash money.
    Again, what does this have with a wish-fulfillment fantasy?

  • Marshall Lance

    Seemed a lot more like a mistake on their part than hyperbole.

  • filmmaker

    Actually I did just stumble across this page…It was a facebook link from another filmmaker colleague who posted it on their page. However with reviews like this I likely won’t be back I just don’t see the humor in it.

  • dumb

    How can some of you people not get that he was joking? They do this kind of shit all the time!

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Nolan: “Hey, Goyer. I need a new house. Wanna write a Wonder Woman movie?”

    Goyer: “Mmmm-hmm-mmm-nn-mm-hhmm-mmm.”

    Nolan: “Sorry, wot?”

    Goyer: “My bad. I was in the middle of eating a dick. Want one?”

    Nolan: “Yes, please. Yum!”

  • Marshall Lance

    Except I seem to remember Mike near the end of this review mentioning that one of the few possible groups that could enjoy this movie are mindless fanboys. No big deal–I disagree, but it’s not just me inferring that I’m being called unintelligent for liking this movie.

  • goo

    So you follow up your pointless comment with another pointless comment? Care to actually give a counter-argument to any of their complaints about the film? Or do you want to keep making useless comments about how you don’t like these guys, providing absolutely no substance to your opinions?

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Oh, come on, yourself.
    Your argument is dumb now is better than dumb then, or what, exactly?

  • Marshall Lance

    You make a very compelling argument. Welcome to the internet!

  • Jimmy

    Alien vs Predator?

  • Rick Berman

    You’re a dumbass.

  • Rick Berman

    I loved this episode! You guys are getting funnier with old age. That’s right, you fucks! You’re old!

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    As a DC fanboy, I reject your accusation.
    These are NOLAN FANBOYS. BLOCKBUSTER FANBOYS.
    They are a notoriously defensive bunch. They have been for eight-nine years. I think it’s because, deep down, they know. They’ve seen their Emperor without his clothes. They’re trying to divert the rest of us from noticing his wee, little pecker.

  • Duckler

    Oh no, not the District 9 alien face radio..!!!!

  • T Wal

    So…uh, am I required to make a furious statement about how my opinion is right and everyone else is an idiot? Yes, I loved Man of Steel. Yes, I disagree with this review. Yes, I still love Red Letter Media. If Mike, Jay, and Rich think I’m a retarded monkey for liking this movie then that’s their opinion. I still enjoy listening to their opinions and I see no point in starting a war of insults over a movie.

  • filmmaker

    Please don’t, I’m obviously too obtuse for your fine level of critiquing. I’m so sorry I offended your sensibility. However I can appreciate your “typical dismissal” and “really bad use of hyperbole ” concerning my post. Please stay in school my friend…

  • Brit Ward

    This. It’s nice to see people who are capable of thinking.

  • Marshall Lance

    I’m not knit-picking, I just happened upon that particular bit of the review and remembered exactly what Superman had said in the movie. I’ve seen every Half in the Bag ever made, and I’m very familiar with their style of humor and use of hyperbole and exaggeration. This is not one of those instances; it is not executed in near the same way and seems much more like just a simple mistake to me.

    Also, why are you so angry and mean to everyone? I disagree with their review of this movie and the comments section seems like the perfect place to voice my opinions on why. That doesn’t make me an idiot, as you and your crowd seem to think. I apologize, Strangers on the Internet, if I have given offense. I hope I didn’t ruin too much of your day? Sorry for… enjoying this movie?

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    “Just a group of buddies sit on their asses and talk”
    Congrats, numb-nuts. You just figured out the difference between professional film criticism and the internet. And? Your point?
    “They recommend Dark Knight Rises but hate this film?”
    Makes no sense to me, either. But, then again, unlike you, I don’t surround myself with people who have exactly the same opinion about exactly the same thing exactly every time exactly. 100% consistency. Mythical and imaginary.

  • Brit Ward

    Yeah. I do agree that the hate is unwarranted. I don’t know that RLM is really torn up about the movie. More that they just didn’t like it.

    Oddly, in all of this, I liked Man of Steel. I didn’t love it. It was kind of boring.

    But with Prometheus, I felt the illusion of something greater, even if we know, in reality, the writers were just throwing random weirdness together for the sake of said illusion of mystery.

    Oh well.

  • filmmaker

    Counter-argument?.. Nope.. I’m done.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Um, no. THE DARK KNIGHT RISES was worse than this one. More pretentious. Even less fun to watch. But, I’m splitting hairs.

    And, it’s still fun to watch them beat this one like the dead horse it is.

    “Consensus” isn’t “irrefutable proof.” Never has been. Use your own mind.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Yo, girl. Sorry ’bout all the Nazis.

  • whip

    Ya.. I dunno. I like the sentiment but it strikes me as a bit hipsterish though. Oh look at me, I am above all the rancor and vitriolic debate! Even though I liked the movie, I won’t complain like everyone else!

    I mean, he could have just had that whole thing going on for him personally, in his head.. He didn’t really need to pontificate about it here. It seems like that is only to make himself look good. It’s not going to actually stop any of the others from crying about it. It’s just self-service on his part.

  • Marshall Lance

    It doesn’t seem to me like that was a joke! It seems far more likely (to me alone, apparently) that Mike misheard what was said and based his criticism off of that. Sorry man…

  • Joecroninshow

    man guys this was fucking funny….

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Another one with the DC rage.
    Get it right, it’s NOLAN rage.
    Big difference.

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Last year.
    Get a calendar.

  • whip

    Watching this again (and enjoying it) and I forgot about the stupid shit the people said about “underpants on the outside” of the suit.

    Seriously, I have always found this a very trite and simplistic commentary. I always just thought it was part of the design of the suit, cosmetically.. not “underpants on the outside”. But over time this trite, ridiculous comment has become the accepted norm by everyone regarding Superman and all super heroes.

    It’s this kind of shit that annoys me the most in life. Where stupid, trite, shallow observations are given credence the latched onto by the masses. Frankly, I think that anyone who thinks “underpants on the outside” is a clever commentary about super hero outfits is exactly the kind of dummies that make up the greater populace. The actual lowest common denominator to whom all this bullshit routinely appeals to.

    It’s a stupid, shallow, trite comment. By stupid people.

    Its just part of the color design of the suit. Underpants on the outside? That sounds like something a 4 year old came up with.

    And not half as clever as people think.

  • unmutual76

    I loved the part when Lois Lane says to Supes ” the planet is changing, will you?” and he say’s “Haven’t you been following me around the whole time? My powers come from the sun. For sure you couldnt have missed that detail. You spent all that time learning from my dad’s ghost right?. And why aren’t you on TV reporting this to a very shocked and traumatized public?

  • Dixon Bawls

    Exactly. Especially if you consider it was originally meant to resemble the many types of loin-covering armor throughout history, like a gladiator’s briefs, or even a chainmail “skirt”. Visually it might seem outdated, but it was never supposed to be “underwear on the outside”.

  • http://thenewyawker.darkbb.com/ Congslop

    Was a snorefest. And that’s coming from a guy who loves Superman Returns.

  • Alexandria Sanders

    Hm, this mean they’re building a new set for Plinkett?

  • Peon

    Rich: “The moral of the movie is…..that humanity needs an inhuman space God, like Jesus, to show us how to live.”

    Mike: “Remember when we thought that Superman Returns looked mopey?”

  • Leo

    It’s astounding to me just how much passion and outrage there is over many of these internet reviewers like RLM, Doug Walker and Brad Jones not liking Man of Steel. It’s hardly getting great reviews with a 56% approval on RT (positive reviews mainly saying it’s just ok). Anyone would think it’s some small, misunderstood underdog indie movie.

    You’re all free to enjoy what you enjoy of course, but don’t act so surprised if most other people aren’t exactly raving about this film

  • SchlockWorship

    Protip for those wanting the review and not ham-acted un-comedy:

    SKIP FORWARD TO 5:00.

  • Hamilton

    I still like the movie but this was a great fucking review. The best part is when you talk about Lois being places for the sake of the plot because it proves to me how devoted of a Red Letter Media fan I am. Lois being called to Zod’s ship bugged the shit out of me more than anything else in the movie and I KNEW you guys would say something about it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deejaytaufiq Mohamad Taufiq Morshidi

    Puma Man, WIll He Ever Find Love?

    Puma Man……

  • Leo

    OK…I was going to wear my underpants on the outside of my trousers today. Can I still do that?

  • Your friend

    I think you need to go and have a lie down
    – your friend

  • http://www.facebook.com/deejaytaufiq Mohamad Taufiq Morshidi

    OH SHUT YOUR FUCKING FACE!

  • jim

    I’m just astounded you hacks compared Man Of Steel: THE best movie of the year to Mac and Me: The WORST movie ever made. You morons are either retarded beyond help or just entirely biased toward Marvel’s stuff. There just is no logical explaination to the hatred RLM has for DC’s movies.

  • Marshall Lance

    Hipsterish. Because he didn’t call half a dozen people stupid or idiots for their difference of opinion? That’s literally the only things he’s done here is say “I enjoyed the movie,” and “no need to fight, guys!” and that makes him …”hipsterish?” I think the word “hipsterish” seems far more hipsterish than anything T Wal said. I also think you need to get outside for awhile and interact with real people, because arguing with people on the internet for all these years has turned you into a spiteful, contrary little thing.

  • SchlockWorship

    First law of movie-making:

    ‘Anything Nolan touches with his simian paws always ends up faeces.’

  • http://www.facebook.com/deejaytaufiq Mohamad Taufiq Morshidi

    So basically make an adaptation of Injustice: Gods Among Us/

    I’M OKAY WITH THIS!

  • Hamilton

    They mostly like Nolan’s Batman films. And the other recent DC films have been awful (Green Lantern)

  • JD

    You’re one of these people that Mike was doing an impersonation of.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deejaytaufiq Mohamad Taufiq Morshidi

    But they got lazy and went to a Shawarma joint instead.

  • whip

    Just keep telling yourself this. This ridiculous strawman has been used far too often today.

    Just please go tell it to yourself somewhere else. Privately is probably the best bet.

  • whip

    3 people think “underpants on the outside” is clever. They may also think that Prometheus is deep and compelling and clever.

  • SchlockWorship

    Good trailer – shít movie.

    Hmmm… Sounds very… ‘Prometheus’.

  • Marshall Lance

    Look, maybe I’m wrong, and I believe Whip will tell me that I am, but I thought during the movie (and think now) that Lois was brought onto General Zod’s ship because she was the one person who knew his true identity. Of course they also got his alter ego’s identity from Superman himself, but I think it made sense to bring along another person who knew his identity just in case they weren’t able to extract that information from Superman himself.

    I also think she was on the C-17 with the pod because she was the one person to whom knowledge has been given by Jor-El on how to get it to work.

    So to me, it didn’t seem so much that she was put there just for the plot’s sake, I could see why it made sense for her to be where she was.

  • Jack Friday

    Hey, fuck you. “Mac and Me” was a cinematic masterpiece.

  • Naes

    Because you were too stupid to understand a movie not made by Michael Bay.

  • Marshall Lance

    Green Lantern was a disappointment, but I really liked The Dark Knight Trilogy, and I seem to remember Mike and Jay giving a mostly positive review to TDKR, and a not-so-positive review to Iron Man 3. So I don’t think bias towards Marvel is the reason they didn’t like this movie.

  • SchlockWorship

    I think you’ll find the satellite part was a derrr-dumb nod towards the surveillance issues going on i the U.S. in recent times.

    A schtick of Nolan is to shoehorn current events and issues into his schlock.

  • Marshall Lance

    (And they needed to get his true identity because they needed to find out where the pod was hidden, so they could get to the Codex.)

  • Mick

    They liked Iron Man 3, but they weren’t all that positive about Thor and Captain America.

  • guest

    I don’t think you get the point, in terms of making a movie review
    thorough analysis is not exactly necessary in all areas, at least on the
    technical level which I believe you are referring too. Especially in
    regarding a movie like Man of Steel which is based on a simple
    character, and plot. The topics they talk about in the review are connected to things that could have made the movie better.
    For the most part it seems that the plot, inconsistencies with the
    archetype of superman, and character dynamics were the main downfall of
    the film. Perhaps if these story elements were not so out of order than the movie could have been more enjoyable, and they would have had more time to talk about the style and that. Alas, it was a piece of shit. But a story is important in the film making process I hope you know. lol.

  • Jack Friday

    I had the best idea for a Superman movie. Only it wasn’t an origin film. And it had none of the previous story elements audiences were used to. And none of the characters from the original cannon. In fact, Superman wasn’t even in it. That’s what made it so awesome.

  • whip

    I’m not sure I can accept that. The stuff about spying and the NSA and stuff has only become an issue in VERY recent news. Movies of this size and scope are well planned out and thought out in advance.. down to individual storyboards .. I mean.. I’m thinking the Satellite scene could have been conceived years ago..

  • Mendoza

    you don’t belong here

  • Hamilton

    See I understand what you’re saying but the fact that Zod simply requested Lois’s presence rather than actually make use of it just reeks of poor writing to me. As in, they needed her on the ship so they threw together a shoddy explanation why but the explanation itself really doesn’t make any sense.

  • SchlockWorship

    The actual mainstream news may have only broken the other day, but what’s been now confirmed as fact has been long postulated.

    Moreover, if one didn’t see the Telly Tubbies level stupid nods to the corruption of Wall Street, the GFC and “the 99%” in The Dumb Knight Flops, then they should take their Nolan fantard welding goggles off.

  • Naes

    There are far more jokes in the supposedly “grim and gritty” Nolan Batman films than in Man of Steel. Nolan at least understands that seriousness has to be balanced with levity. Snyder and Goyer do not. There weren’t any more than 3 jokes in all of Man of Steel and Clark has less of a sense of humor than Bruce Wayne.

  • Naes

    Snyder was the director shit head.

  • whip

    I am not sure if anyone else noticed this but, if you pause the video at about 40 seconds (and probably need it in HD and fullscreen to see) there is a “For Sale” sign in the window of the house they use for establishing shots of Plinkett’s house.

    This left me to wonder if the property was changing hands, and may change their ability to film such shots in future.. and so good excuse to change the set. Just have him move somewhere else. Or maybe go entirely different directions.

    But I also don’t see why they couldn’t use existing establishing shots from previous episodes indefinitely. But then I’m also not versed in the legal issues regarding filming, private property, contracts, etc. Or any details of the house in question.

    So ya, just mindless ramblings from me. Still I wonder though if the house being for sale has any relevance here.

  • Secret Asshole

    Have to disagree with the guys here. I’m not entirely sure what it was, but I really -really- liked this one.

    I liked the dark/broody thing (yes, I understand it’s becoming an overdone trope these days). I liked the fact that the fight between super beings like that was truly destructive. I liked the reluctant hero element. I liked the “he’ll be a God to them / lead them to the sun” element – particularly because they hardly spent any time at all depowering him with Kryptonite – they really portrayed him as a truly invincible superhero which is kind of a unique thing. Normally I’m 100% on board with the “excessive CG is pointless and dilutes the movie” – but in this case it really felt like one of those situations where it was completely appropriate.

    I saw it in 2d IMax and there is no question in my mind that the visceral impact that had greatly increased my enjoyment. I kind of wonder if people who didn’t like it saw it in substandard conditions.

  • Observer

    Aquaman vs Pomoxis, perhaps?

  • Alexandria Sanders

    That commercial is hilarious.

  • Hamilton

    You can call the Dark Knight movies many things, but by definition you can not call them flops.

  • Anonymoose

    But the first five minutes are so dense, every single shot has so much going on.

  • SchlockWorship

    It’s difficult to take these guys seriously after their warm reception for abject schlock like the Batard films and even Iron Man 3. And to poke fun at Star Trek – a half-decent popcorn flick – is a strange move, too.

    The only thing I’ve whole-heartedly agreed with is the Plinkett SW prequels reviews- something universally shared, anyway, and the very claim to fame for these guys.

    I think I might still see MoS. A brooding superhero isn’t a turn off to me, nor is a protracted, action heavy third act (as long as its done right). The fact he doesn’t save a cat from a tree is kind of retarded reasoning and undermines any valid arguments these guys may have made against the film.

    (I’m willing to stand corrected if the film is in fact balls, however).

  • Marshall Lance

    I just think that you seem to have just today learned the word “trite,” as you seem to have tried to cram it into this comment as many times as possible. Plus you are an unpleasant person. I do think “underpants on the outside” is stupid though.

  • Alexandria Sanders

    Hm, if that were the case they could’ve just used existing establishing shots like you said. but then again, they could’ve thought this could be a new chapter in Plinkett’s life and change the design of the house a bit. *shrug* and as for legal issues regarding film, if they were able to take those shots before, there shouldn’t be a problem keeping them. unless they are the owners of the property and the actual owners said ‘screw you’ we don’t want you filming our house anymore.

    we’ll see next episode.

  • Naes

    Nobody gives a fuck what you think. Start a blog no one will read.

  • SchlockWorship

    Everything Nolan does is garbage. Even Inception gets worse with each viewing.

    I’d advise you don’t bring that schlock merchant’s name up in conversations about film because it will render anything you have to say subsequent as immaterial.

  • Jake

    Just because your internet film review show doesn’t get watched. That’s what this is all about!

    Not surprised, it’s crap! Just you at there with a pair of horn rimmed spectacles perched upon your prominent nose as you sit there cross legged against a white background, lecturing us in that oh so smug and superiour manner!

    By the way, when is your ‘Made of Stone’ review going up?

  • Brendan

    First time I disagree with you guys…

  • Superman

    Let’s get one thing straight, I didn’t call Zod a mother-fucker. My exact words were, “Fuck off, Zod, you bullshit wanker!” In fact, I may have even called him a cunt once or twice, I don’t know. I was particularly cross at the time. Anyway, it’s all sorted now, so can we just drop it, please?

  • Naes

    Pa Kent advises Clark to let children drown to keep his secret so I guess Superman can blame his upbringing.

  • whip

    care factor : minimal

  • Astrotrain78

    I’m starting to hate this videos with Chris Evans because even if they have a point
    about how bad the movie is, they are just making fun of the movie instead of making a real review.

    And yes, I still think that Iron Man 3 is shit.

  • spinachleaf

    When it’s time for you guys to switch to spoilers, instead of just saying ‘Spoilers coming up’, please could you have Nadine walk back and forth in front of the cast in a teddy and french knickers, holding a card that reads ‘Spoilers’. Then she should curl up on a sofa and eat bonbons until the spoiler section is over, when she can brush the bonbon crumbs off her chest and walk-out.

    I think this is an excellent suggestion and probably extremely cheap.

  • Marshall Lance

    Hey, sorry to break it to you, but whip there doesn’t seem to care about your opinion. That’s a tough break, man.

  • John

    Really? See I love it when they get Chris Evans in on a review with them. It’s also really cool of Chris that he takes the time to appear in these reviews even though he’s such a big Hollywood actor. Maybe they’re old friends.

  • jordan

    what a bunch of fat ugly losers… fatass beer bellies pseudo-intellectual complaints… you fatasses should first, go lose some weight… second, read a book and try to use some critical thinking to exercise your moronic brain to maybe develop some brain cells enough to understand what man of steel is about… you fucking nostalgia junkie donnerites fatass monkeys should do something else besides sitting on your fatasses watching a movie that probably wasn’t made for your moronic type

  • Marshall Lance

    Well that wasn’t a very nice thing to say. Why do you feel the need to be so hostile to someone you don’t know?

  • jordan

    he does that because he loves his kid… if you had a child would you want the weight of the world on his shoulders? are you fucking stupid?

  • John

    Some of you seem to be very passionate indeed about Superman.

  • Astrotrain78

    Thanks for point out my mistake.

  • jordan

    yeah just like they’re passionate in bashing it… i like how you notice me bashing them but you don’t notice the fact that these losers are bringing up no valid points and are just bashing it for the sake of it because they don’t care to TRY to see what man of steel is about… fucking losers

  • whip

    It’s too bad they weren’t actually “just making fun of it”. I don’t know if you guys are just not watching, or turning a blind eye to what they say out of some denial.. but they made numerous substantial comments about the movie and where they felt it broke down.

    About the tone.. about the over use of action and CGI. About the poor writing and convenient usage of Lois Lane for exposition purposes.

    About getting the character of Superman completely wrong. About the emotional disconnect that comes from mindless action without characters to care about.

    This was far from just “making fun of it”. They did offer substantial reasons why they felt the movie was bad.

    And no one cares what your opinion on IM3 is.

  • Naes

    It’s cute you personally offended by people criticizing a movie you didn’t make.

  • Naes

    You’re pathetic.

  • whip

    You sure are butthurt about my one reply to you earlier. And I think we know why. I still get a kick that you tried to argue seriously that they were suggesting Superman said Motherfucker.

    Let it go buddy. You gonna stalk me around all night now?

  • jordan

    it’s cute you think i’m personally offended, im not personally offended you stupid fuck. i’m just pointing out how fucking retarded they sound with the complaints they bring up. they’re just a waste of space bashing a movie for no damn reason… they literally just have a problem with EVERYTHING in the movie… they’re more concerned about making jokes about every damn thing, it’s obvious this movie wasn’t made for these type of people where everything has to be a fucking joke

  • jordan

    a stupid fuck says i’m pathetic… oh i think i’ll go cry now… what a dumbass

  • Bollocks

    You’re absolutely right. They just didn’t understand it.

    Christ, it’s like fucking Prometheus all over again.

  • Miss Eris

    Um, yes. The Dark Knight Rises was much better. I’m using my own mind when I say that. The fact that its also the consensus opinion of critics is just icing on the cake.

  • Miss Eris

    When commenters use terms like “Marveltard” to describe the reviewers, I’m guessing they’ve got DC rage. I don’t doubt some of it is Nolan rage as well.

  • jordan

    for your weak ass you need jokes… face it, that levity bullshit is just a matter of taste… this movie wasn’t made for your type…

    not all movies need jokes sprinkled throughout them… and i certainly prefer them that way

  • Marshall Lance

    I’m just pointing out to you that you are unnecessarily unpleasant to people with opinions which differ from your own. And I’m doing it as often as I see you being an asshole for no reason.

    And for the record, Mike did think that Superman had said “motherfucker.” And yeah, I get their humor and I still think you’re wrong; they made a mistake. If it was meant to be a joke then I believe it was poorly done.

    And I ain’t yer buddy, pal.

  • whip

    It’s a sad state of affairs whens simply breaking the reality of a situation to someone is considered being hostile.

    Many people come in here with a strong sense of arrogance and thinking they have the only correct, indisputable interpretations of things.. and then they moan about reviews they don’t like and tell us why they think it sucks.

    But truly no one gives a shit. We come here for RLM’s content. Sure discussion is good. But some of these people need to get over themselves and realize no one cares if they like some movie or not, or if they “agree most of the time but not now” or other stupid shit.

    If you want to trade on your opinions, start your own place to do so. A blog, a youtube channel. Whatever. Don’t come here thinking you are owed a right to moan and blather on and on about how stupid RLM are for not sharing your opinion. Truly no one gives a shit.

  • whip

    This is some kind of trolling right? It has to be. I can’t take it seriously. LOL. If so, it’s pretty strong evidence of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

  • whip

    I’ve never seen anyone who wasn’t personally offended calling people stupid fat fucks.. and basically ranting like a illiterate teenager who can’t form a substantive argument.

    I imagine you stammering as you keep reaching for words you can’t quite grasp.. and then ultimately just keep resorting to “stupid fat fucks” and the like. I think this could be an amusing character for sketch comedy.

  • Zed

    Angry over the tubes I see here.

  • Plinkett

    Fuck movies.

  • Plinkett

    But he obviously wanted the weight of the world on his son’s shoulders. He kept telling him he’d have to answer for being an alien and find his “destiny” which was directly tied to him being fucking strong.

  • Michelle

    The level of butthurt in this comment section is over 9000. Folks: it’s just a movie and it’s just the trios opinion. Differing opinions are also valid.

  • Plinkett

    Ya’ll act like the opinions of these assholes will mark the end of the fucking universe. Grow the fuck up.

  • whip

    Ya.. you’re weak ass needs jokes Naes. You aren’t a tuff e-thug like Jordan LOL

  • zardoz

    I love how Jay breaks character at 35:32

  • Dave

    Could the boys all wear underpants on the outside of their trousers in the next Half in the Bag? Thank you.

  • Guest

    I wanna think you are trolling me personally for my post earlier, but I can’t be that egocentric. I guess you may just actually think “underpants on the outside” is a clever and witty commentary on superhero costumes. That so trite and shallow “joke” that the masses all regurgitate like it’s so fucking clever.

  • Guest

    sigh.. here it is again.. the most trite and shallow “joke” of all time regarding superhero costumes. Regurgitated by the masses as if it’s so fucking clever. It seems like something a 4 year old came up with.

  • Dave

    I have no idea what you’re talking about.I just found Zack Snyders comments on it to be pretty funny and found it amusing that they included it in the episode.

    What are you talking about again?

  • John Dach

    This review is a joke right?

  • Haitchpeasauce

    Please review World War Z.

  • Meester Smeeth

    Oh, come on, Whip. Dave didn’t say anything about superheroes wearing underpants over their trousers, he said the Half In The Bag boys should do it. And it’s a wonderful idea. Just imagine it. It would be so un-hip it would be ultra-hip, reversing the hipster-polarity and destroying our perception of… stuff. Right on.

  • Lassidus

    Um, I’ve seen many reviews and checked ou the score on rotten tomatoes. And all of the critics have the same argument about this movie:
    The action is too much? It’s fucking Superman with superhuman strength fighting other super humans Really? Just watch the cartoons and you will see the same type of action.

    Zod is over the top? Really? But Terrance Stamp was kinda monotone and campy

    Lois Lane was useless, well I kinda agree but the Love interest was slowly being set up for part 2.

    Kevin Costner gave too many speeches? A dad was raising a super human son!! Who had the ability to change the world and a dad needed to teach him the best way he can. His dad taught him how to be Superman. geeez guys.

    I don’t know if this is a critic’s nation wide agenda or maybe critic can just be too critical at times I just don’t know. I am just amazed how every critic, from many different backgrounds and sources can all have the same opinion about 1 movie.

    A comic book adaption has to be a movie but remain to the true comic book elements and I truly think MoS done that!!

    I loved it and put it in my top 5 comic book movies of all time.

  • brodkil

    Sorry. Half-In-The-Bag may have sketeches, but the review is honest.

  • UCHUBomb

    “The action is too much?”

    There’s only so many times you can punch Superman through a building before it just gets utterly mind numbing.

  • lolwut

    Yeah pretty much -_-

  • MOS viewer

    Good review as always although I would have loved to see Plinkett review this I know he couldn’t get the footage to do so. There are so many more small problems with this movie than were mentioned here. I have not wanted a movie to ‘just end’ as much since Transformers 3. Interesting points raised on these characters no longer being likeable to child audiences, and the levels of destruction and mindless death seen in this film were a turnoff to me even as an adult. Many scenes in Man of Steel feel unnecessary, the script redundant, and the few attempts at humor fall flat. Darkening a film’s tone or creating CGI wonders to make dramatic trailers that sell a billion tickets does not a great film make. Instead of calling RLM dirty names for making valid negative points, why not provide valid positive points why you think the movie succeeds?

  • fred

    Why weren’t there so many angry comment debates over on the Cop Dog page?

  • John Dach

    They honestly missed this one badly. They don’t even understand that this isn’t “Superman”, this is a different character with a different tone. I’ll stick to the Now Playing Podcast where at least there’s some intelligent analysis backed up by legitimate film education. I’m embarrassed that I recently recommended this site to a friend. Lazy review, may be the last one I watch.

  • Kenzie

    I haven’t seen the movie, but they kept bringing up the level of destruction over and over and how much they disliked the level of death and violence. That actually made me want to see the movie to be honest. It’s what I didn’t like about The Avengers. They had this giant urban battle at the end, but it felt so clean and sanitized

    I don’t have much desire to see the rest of the movie though. I’m not a big superhero/comic book fan. I would just like to fast forward and watch the destruction of the city that they talk so much about. Maybe that makes me a psychopath?

  • YrMom

    I’m sure you’ll be sorely missed., asshat.

  • whip

    What a terrible loss. Don’t let the door hit ya.

  • John Dach

    I’ve sat through Superman Returns, multiple times. I really tried to enjoy that movie…. you can take that, and I’ll keep this. These were gods fighting, it was horrifically destructive with a massive loss of life….that’s what gods fighting should look like. Watching Iron Man’s wife jump through a plate glass window without suffering a scratch… you can take that too. Man of Steel was awesome

  • fuckstick

    wow this comment section is fucking retarded. usually its good spirited and fun on this website, but you all are fucking retarded. I watched this movie pirate version and turned it off, i wouldn’t watch this movie for free. I was never a huge fan of the Christopher reeves superman movies, but five minutes of him portraying the lovable Clark Kent is worth two hours of this soulless pointless movie schlock garbage. This is not a superman movie, if snyder and nolan want to make a point, what ever the fuck point they were trying to make, they should have 1) written an original story, and 2) not fucking jammed every stupid Hollywood piece of crap into the film. Kevin Costner and OMG It’s Russel Crowe as the dual fathers of this forgettable vapid superman. Bayfucking splowsions all over the place, no tension, no build up, nothing. Fuck movies indeed. Hollywood should just give all their money to the poor, wrap it up and shut it down. Fuck Movies!

  • SuperMansButt

    “It’s my [John Dach's] view that these creatures [alien's from other planets] whom millions have reported seeing and
    even coming into contact with, are the very fallen angels talked about
    in the Bible. Matthew 24:37 gives us some insight about the end times
    and reference Noah’s time as a sign of the impending second coming. So
    when you actually study what Noah’s time was like, most people point to
    the exceedingly sinful activities that the people were engaged in for
    being the reason God hit the proverbial reset button. However, when has
    man not been exceedingly sinful? There is nothing distinctive about man
    being sinful, but I like to point out the other characteristic of Noah’s
    time, and that’s the nephilim. When paired with Revelation 16:13 and
    Luke 21:26-36, I think we can paint an interesting conjecture about who
    these characters are in relation to the end times. As the reports of
    UFO’s and strange encounters with their occupants pile up, one can;t
    help but wonder at a correlation between the “Days of Noah” and today.”

  • Paulie

    I was thinking the same thing. Did they watch the same awesome movie I watched..?

  • zerosozha

    Rich makes a note that Superman was created to be more of an ideal than an actual character.

    And that’s what I’ve always HATED about Superman….that he’s always been depicted as this over-powered, Larry Stu bore of a person, more of a fantasy than a character. Actually giving Superman a sense of character and personality is, in my book, a GOOD thing.

  • brodkil

    Um… Some of us agree with what they said, and don’t abide by your interpretation. If you have a problem with that, so be it, but don’t act like you know better.

  • Plinkett

    Then why was it called “Superman”.

  • John Dach

    it’s called “man of steel”

  • whip

    But why? There are plenty of characters to do this with, across the spectrum of superheros. We’ve already got plenty of that with Marvel heroes.

    Why can’t some things be respected for what they are to begin with? Why is there always a need for change? The need to make things BIGGER and DARKER and GRITTIER! Why? Why does it seem that we must continually remake and redo everything into this formula.

    It makes me feel like the human race, as a whole, is metaphorically at the age of an angsty whiny teenager for whom everything is so dark and depressing. It just seems like a gimmick or fad right now. Ooooh look, now we make movies that are SOOO much more representative of reality! It’s so DARK and GRITTY and REALISTIC.

    Oh and it has space aliens fighting and demolishing a city. ( REALISM! )

    The fact that there is so much appeal in this disturbs me. It’s so juvenile. I don’t know why there is such a growing demand for everything to become like this. It’s annoying.

    Again it’s like we have passed (as humans) from the age of innocent and childhood, and now we are broody dark teens who can’t enjoy anything unless it’s utterly dark and depressing and realistic. And thinking we are so clever for finally realizing this truth and the “fantasy” of previous interpretations.

    I think it’s some kind of faux sense of maturity.

  • epigeios

    Man of Steel is the best DragonBall Z movie I have ever seen.

  • kang

    This movie is so bad it deserves a Plinket review

  • Plinkett

    Yeah, if well-educated critics from so many different backgrounds all agree a movie is bad, they’re all clearly wrong.

  • John Dach

    I think in this case, I might. I don’t have a review of Phantom Menace to fall back on to lend me credibility, but this review rang hollow (to me). I respect the opinions of others, but this review just felt like a beating ofa popcorn movie they didn’t like because it wasn’t Richard Donner’s Superman.

  • brodkil

    “The action is too much? It’s fucking Superman with superhuman strength fighting other super humans Really? Just watch the cartoons and you will see the same type of action.”
    And yet the pilot episodes for Superman: TAS (which takes on Supe’s origin story) was executed far better than this.
    Do you think all critics come from some school where everyone thinks the same? Get this: a diverse group of movie watchers all watched the same movie and concluded that while it did some things right, it did some things wrong. And these are the same critics that gave The Avengers rave reviews and The Dark Knight rave reviews. Funny how people forget that once something they like doesn’t get the kudos they think it should.

  • Brit Ward

    I would make the argument that the angry rants about RLM hating the movie are just as self serving.

  • Plinkett

    Wait, so this ISN’T a Superman movie?

  • Paulie

    So one of the complaints was that the “fun is gone” from this movie.
    Funny, I know I sure had a blast watching the groundbreaking action and visual effects this movie had to offer. The story showcased Superman from a different point of view that was interesting, and this is a reboot after all. He’s not a boy scout anymore (thank god). Instead he’s relatable. He’s a character on film, finally. It seems like Red Letter Media expected the campy Superman from the 50’s again. It’s hilarious that they’re not joking. Just for the wrong reasons.

  • Plinkett

    What was his character? Please explain.

  • John

    The Avengers was lighthearted and upbeat which made it feel like a breath of fresh air. I love the ‘fun’ tone that Marvel studio’s have. Of course the adolescent and adolescent of mind would just call them ‘little kiddie movies’ because they want to feel all grown up.

  • Dixon Bawls

    Bonbons don’t crumble, they melt, which only increases the sexy/delicious implications…

  • bluehawk222

    An orphaned alien trying to find his place and purpose in the world?

  • Plinkett

    No, his character. Tell me things that describe what he’s like. Is he witty? Smarmy? Arrogant?

  • whip

    ” I sure had a blast watching the groundbreaking action and visual effects this movie had to offer.”

    This is the problem right here. This is what passes for compelling entertainment anymore.

    Not good writing or good dialogue, or good story turns.

    Just eye candy. Hey now with computers we can do anything we want. So let’s go all crazy with it and create the most insane visual spectacles possible.

    There is great power now in what can be done with CGI, and I think the problem is too many people are absolutely blowing their loads non stop and not actually using it respectfully or with good purpose. It’s just BIGGER and BIGGER and BIGGER.

    I suspect at some point in the future there will be a trend to realize this mistake and start to put more effort into story and compelling drama, etc. And more responsible, respectful use of CGI. Instead of the mind numbing, visual spectacle that simply bedazzles people. There’s really nothing useful in that.

    Every movie blows its load even harder than the last.. until we will reach a point we can no longer top it anymore. We really need to see the use of CGI mature and change. It needs to be used more responsibly and not in such a “OMG LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO!!” fashion.

  • whip

    aka Plinkett’s character test from the EP1 review.

    Basically describe the character without referencing what is their role or job in the film. Or the way they look.

  • Plinkett

    … I knew that.

  • NotTheBatManHonest

    The only reason is that it worked for Batman. If it works for Batman, it must work for all of them… only it obviously doesn’t, does it?
    I say enough with all this origin bullshit too. How many kids jump into the comics of any particular character in the middle of a run? I’m willing to bet a lot. You don’t need to start at the beginning with every reboot. Batman needed it before Batman Begins, fair enough. Did Superman really need it? I don’t think he did. Batman doesn’t need it now but they’re doing it again and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an origin story. Just move on, for fuck’s sake.

  • Superman

    The Man of Steel sucked my balls. Maybe aliens like Superman and the rest of those assholes would like it, but it definitely isn’t for human beings.

  • bluehawk222

    This is where I say read some comic books or watch some DC Animated stuff. This isn’t some grim dark fad or whatever buzz word you want to use. Comic arcs in the past decade or two have been more serious many writers using the medium to be allegorical to modern times. And Justice League and Justice League Unlimited which was out in the early 2000s had some dark story elements to them as well including the possible death of a hero. We also saw Superman fight an overpowered super villain in Metropolis. This is nothing new. It’s just Man of Steel basically is introducing all this to mainstream audiences and they are left confused because their vision of Superman is 30+ years old

  • John Dach

    oohhhhh i see what you’re doing there!
    NO
    They saw how Superman Returns was received by the fans and they knew that a new interpretation of Superman was needed for our times (despite that film being a critical and somewhat financial success). I LOVE the first two Donner films, and if I want to watch the boyscout Superman, I can watch those anytime. I was anxious to see a different take on the character. ‘MOS’ was probably closer to Starman and Independence Day than it was to any other Supes films. Instead of bashing it because it’s cool to bash anything that doesn’t satiate our every intellectual need, I just enjoyed the vision being presented. I gave the film the concessions it needed to entertain me, and that’s what it did. Call me names, mock me, whatever but I’m just asking for more objectivity from film reviewers I’ve grown to have a lot of fondness and respect for. This review was disappointing.

  • zerosozha

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with interpreting something in a different way, whether it be turning a light-hearted concept into something “gritty”, or even going in reverse and taking something dark and turning into something goofy.

    Everyone has their own interpretation of what Superman is supposed to be….in the past he has been a hero, a god, a farmboy, a tyrant, a bystander. That is the very nature of comic book characters; they are in the hands of the writers at the time. One of my favorite Superman interpretations comes from the book Kingdom Come, but I’ve also read and enjoyed All-Star Superman and many of the Silver Age Superman stories.

    Speaking personally, I identify more with characters who deal with hardship, who are outcast, and must overcome great odds despite the views of society. That’s why I think Batman and Spider Man are far more interesting characters than Superman. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a goofy Clark Kent who gets dressed in a phone booth, but that’s not what entertains me.

    And while I don’t agree with the boys at RLM, I can see where they are coming from. This film’s interpretation of Superman is NOT what they like, and so this film would not resonate with them. I could argue some of their criticisms of the movie itself, but the key issue is the interpretation of the character. I liked it, some people didn’t. I don’t think that speaks badly on the human race :P

  • bluehawk222

    And the Avengers was fun but it’s clear that’s all Disney and Marvel want to do. Even though it doesn’t have the complexity of the comics so we’ll never see a live action adaptation of Civil War where Tony Stark is basically a fascist and is butting heads with Captain America over the cost of freedom eventually resulting in the assassination of Captain America.

  • whip

    erm I wasn’t correcting you. I was trying to continue what you were asking him for.

    As established in that review, the more you can say about a character without referring to their job, role, or appearance, the stronger the character.

  • Sam K

    Never said they were, and I’ve got no problem with them having their own opinions. I was just surprised, is all. Our tastes are usually pretty similar.

  • Paulie

    His empathy is more multifaceted and apparent this time around, and he has personal flaws, where Chris Reeve’s Superman had no flaws whatsoever. If he did, they were well concealed. That made him very one dimensional. When there are no characteristic flaws, there is no character to begin with. The Richard Donner films are classics. They haven’t aged very well, however.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Do we get to see his Dragon Balls? :D

    Aside from the crazy action, he’s a lone alien from another world that landed on Earth in a spaceship, adopted by a human/humans, learns about his gifted powers and uses them for good, saves people, then has to stop the last surviving members of his race from destroying the Earth.

  • bluehawk222

    I did describe who he was as a character. I’m sorry for your illiteracy. He’s an orphaned alien that was trying to find his role and purpose on Earth amongst humans. But being raised by good, salt of the Earth people distilled him with a sense of honesty and virtue so he uses his power to help mankind and inspire them to be better people. This was even in Donner’s film.

  • Plinkett

    To be disappointed by something implies you had expectations. You expected them to like this movie? Why do you come here with presupposed assumptions of what their opinion is of something? Look, your opinion is fine and you’re entitled to it. But to bash these guys for thinking it’s stupid seems stupid in and of itself. So what if they didn’t like it? Opposing opinions aren’t a BAD thing, they’re actually important. They can only enrich your own stance on something. So don’t go around saying you think they’re opinion is wrong or you’re “disappointed” by it, just accept it an move on. Fuuuuck!

  • BunnyFooFoo

    I’m not a doctor, but if you find yourself sitting there sperging about bias because somebody insulted the honor of your comic book movie, and you are over the age of 11, then you need to have your fucking head examined. This concludes today’s public service announcement.

  • Plinkett

    I was referencing something. I was hoping you’d pick up on it.

  • ADHD makes everything a blast

    This is like a starving African eating one of those angus burger crap they have at McDonalds and telling me why I waste my time going to stakehouses where they have never cooked the meat right.
    Watch some more movies, movies that are not massive blockbuster or one of those newer bland horror movies, and you’ll know why this movie was a massive turd.

  • Plinkett

    You didn’t actually mention a single characteristic in that whole comment. Empathy isn’t actually a character trait, it’s just something people should do. And what’s all this talk of Chris Reeves? I never fuckin watched those movies.

  • Dixon Bawls

    I can’t not hear Cartman’s voice.

  • William Shakesman

    Greatest room trashing scene in Half in the Bag history?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Let me guess, you’re offended because you’re someone who wears their underwear on the outside of their pants, right?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    He’s basically masturbating using words. Just let him be.

  • spinachleaf

    Yes, and perhaps Jay and Mike, on their knees, would try and stumble over and wipe them off and she would go: ‘…No no no no no!’ like Ulla does to Max Bialystock in ‘The Producers’ when she teases him with the cigar.

  • Plinkett

    But none of those things actually explain his character. He can do those things and be an asshole. There’s a word in English called Characteristics, name some of them.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    My boner agrees with this.

  • bluehawk222

    Being honest and virtuous aren’t characteristics?

  • Palpatine

    Your opinion is wrong, and MINE is RIGHT.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    He’s in it for the free beer.

  • mobius322

    This is correct. People seem to really freak out about how their mainstream-nerd properties are received don’t they? Also if its pretty clear there are huge problems with a movie someone likes but they like it anyway that is perfectly fine, I just wish they would not pretend that there aren’t any problems at all.

    I like (for example) the Bloodrayne movies…I admit they (in a conventional sense) have cheesy writing, barely-there stories etc but I’m not gonna freak out when reviewers (rightly) say they suck. Because they do.

  • ADHD makes everything a blast

    I like the part where he punched people, then he kissed Lois Lane, then he punched the bad guy some more, and there was like lots of buildings exploding and falling, and it was like sad like 9/11, but it was okay because Superman killed the bad guy and saved the family, and he yelled and it was like all emotional and stuff

  • Plinkett

    Honest? Virtuous? When did he do anything honest or virtuous in the entire movie? He fucking murdered Krypton babies and fucked up a guy’s truck. And all those people in Metropolis are dead because his entire existence attracted Zod to come and kill them. Oh wait, he saved 5 dudes from an explosion, nvm ur rite

  • John Dach

    as a boy: shunned, outcast, alone, confused

    growing up: Bruce Banner, chivalrous, virtuous, conflicted (he didn’t kill that trucker guy but he stuck lumber through his semi demonstrating self restraint but still some adolescent immaturity)

    “superman”: arrogant, confident, no-nonsense, honest, etc

  • Plinkett

    Hey, if we’re doing this, I REALLY liked Ultraviolet. I’m so sorry, I’ll leave now.

  • Dixon Bawls

    Watch the director’s cut of Superman. Kal-El chastises him for his pride and vanity in the fortress of solitude after his first batch of heroics. It is this imperfection that allows him to tell Lois about details of his life (can’t see through lead, never lies, and what planet he is from) out of pride, and this directly makes it possible for Lex’s Kryptonite-in-a-lead-box trap to work. Very sublte, but it’s there.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Superman DID say motherfucker.

    When he was punching Zod, he was saying, “You think you can threaten my mother?! You motherfucker! I’m totally going to kick your stupid fucking ass at the end of this movie, further recklessly destroying Metropolis in the process. It’s not until we SEE that people are about to die that I’ll snap your weak fucking neck, because apparently headlocks are Kryptonite in this movie!”

    Then they crash into A 7-11/IHOP/McDonald’s/Chuck-E-Cheese/Pepsi Factory.

  • Paulie

    Actually I did. You’re just too wasted or stupid to see it. Probably both. Someone has taken too many Ambien’s again.. Empathy is indeed a character trait. Ambien = bad. You haven’t? Well, that was the kind of campy Superman you seemed to prefer in this shitty review. That was the Superman he played. So I drew a comparison between him and Cavill. Btw, his last name is Reeve. Not Reeves.

  • ADHD makes everything a blast

    It could be said Anakin Skywalker was honest and virtuous. That’s why it was sad when he became Darth Vader?

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    Was it called After Earth?

  • Plinkett

    So from that rationale, Superman is empathetic. He has the ability to recognize emotions. When did the movie tell you this?

  • Plinkett

    No, it can’t because he was an angry asshole who cried a lot.

  • SonicS

    He doesn’t call Zod a motherfucker, he says, “You dare threaten my mother!” or something like that.

  • Paulie

    If you had read the rest of the comment, you would’ve noticed that I liked the story as well. Unfortunately, you were too busy focusing on a certain part of the comment.

  • ADHD makes everything a blast

    Watch the 3rd Matrix, their DragonBall Z special effects were better.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    And they had more rain.

  • John Dach

    Not disappointed by their opinion of the film, disappointed by the lack of depth in the review. Seeing as the mass audience really enjoyed this movie, I expected these guys to trash it but I was looking forward to seeing this movie through a dissenting view (like you stated). Maybe I just liked this movie so much that I’m just an apologist for it. MOS has its flaws but it is fun, and it is an interesting direction to take this character into. I liked allusion (albeit clunky) to the Roman Empire and the current state of US expansionism, I liked the fact he’s here not to save every person in the world by fighting baddies on the moon to save civilians or rescue cats in trees, but the Half in the Bag crew seemed more concerned with the fact that he flew to the Indian Ocean to “punch a laser to death”.

  • bluehawk222

    I want two super powered beings to have a round table discussion on what’s right and wrong instead of having them duke it out to convey the power Superman really has and how he has to learn to keep it in control. The ending was flawed in that it didn’t reign that point in but that was really the point of it all.

  • John

    Probably not, but if the movies are entertaining with good stories, characters and heart, I’ll keep enjoying them. Just to show I’m not Marvel biased, I wasn’t keen on The Amazing Spider-Man either largely due to the forced ‘dark and gritty’ tone. The Spider-Man comics are generally lighthearted, but with moments of drama.

  • Mitchell Taco Nash

    I think Mike was impersonating a bunch of the people he knew would inevitably comment.

  • Dixon Bawls

    My name is Dixon Bawls, and I liked Punisher:War Zone.
    Thank you.

  • bluehawk222

    But you need darkness to make the hero the hero. It’s how they learn and evolve as a character. Amazing Spider-man 2 will probably adapt the death of Gwen Stacey story arc from the 1970s but people will just say it’s just part of this grim dark fad. When it isn’t.

  • StopCivilisation

    MOS is the swedish word for mashed potatoes by the way.. which can or cannot have anything to do with this movie :)

  • Plinkett

    Well probably because they thought it was stupid. When you think something stupid, it shouldn’t really take that much time to explain why. You gotta understand they’re coming from a place where they thought everything was fucking wrong. They couldn’t find redeeming aspects the way they did with Into Darkness, so whatever- fuck it.

  • Matt Baen

    Mark Waid (Birthright, Kingdom Come) didn’t like it either, and for reasons similar to those of the RLM guys. Link:

    http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/

  • Paulie

    When he didn’t punch that guy who poured beer on his face, into powder. Superman spared his life. When he saved the bus etc.. Next stupid question.

  • StopCivilisation

    Adam Sandler’s fanbase keeps showing up alot for this review.

  • StopCivilisation

    I kinda liked Prometheous and then I saw their review and thought that was good too :)

  • zerosozha

    Okay, now you’re just being silly.

    Characteristic (n.) – a distinguishing feature or quality

    Some features that distinguish Clark Kent as a character:

    – Outcast, alone, confused. Evidence from the film: his classmates react negatively to him, call him a “freak” and talking crap about him.

    – Conflicted, chivalrous. Evidence: Wanting to hurt people when he was upset (the school bully, the trucker), helping people (the oil rig, standing up for the waitress, saving his class from the sinking bus)

    – Confident, honest. Evidence: his handling with the military (“I want to help you, but it has to be on my terms”)

    Quit being a troll. John has amply satisfied your character test.

  • Plinkett

    But he ruined his career… guy can’t buy anymore fucking beer cause he’s fired. And was it REALLY that hard for him not to punch the guy if his entire childhood was spent restraining himself from situations like that? I think Superman actually has a lot of pent-up frustration if he needs to fuck up trucks like that in the first place. Like chill out dude, you’re like a super alien who doesn’t need to be bothered by things like beer in the face.

  • StopCivilisation

    The only person that might sound that way is you sir with your over-the-top bully sentences.
    They states the reasons as to why they bash this movie pretty well and if you missed that, or don’t agree with those things then well, go watch the darn movie again instead of sitting here polluting the chat with braindead comments.

  • bluehawk222

    For a comic book writer, especially a Superman one, I’m surprised Mark Waid said Superman doesn’t kill when he has.

  • Dirtman73

    And Nolan was the producer, you fucking twat. His greasy fingerprints are all over this shitty movie.

  • Plinkett

    But he’s also a murder too… I mean, remember that ship full of Krypton babies? He totally murdered BABIES. SUPERMAN MURDERS BABIES. And he inadvertently ruined that trucker’s life by getting him fired and using the rest of his life to repay the company and bar for property damage.

  • StopCivilisation

    “It’s so dense, every single image has so many things going on”

  • bluehawk222

    He didn’t. Zod destroyed that area, and there were no babies there. It was the area where Kryptonian babies could be made.

  • Plinkett

    Did someone name Rick work on this movie too? Ohgawdthey’reeverywhere.

  • Plinkett

    But that woulda never happened if Superman didn’t fuck the ship up. Hell, none of these things would have happened if Superman was sent to Earth. If Jor-El really wanted to defend Earth he would’ve just fucking shot his newborn son in the fucking face. After all, baby killing runs in the family.

  • StopCivilisation

    His spirit is everywhere where CGI lurks, like a giant octopus.

  • BunnyFooFoo

    Inorite?? Oh and you know what else? Superman wasn’t even played by Brandon Routh he was played by James Carville. These guys are fucking hack frauds!

  • John Dach

    That comment probably makes more sense to me than anything I’ve seen on this thread so far. I now understand where they’re coming from. It’s like discussing a Twilight movie or just about any Marvel movie to me. It’s so just so ridiculous and stupid that any thought above mockery is a waste of time. I like cool Geiger-inspired production design, Hans Zimmer film scores, science fiction epics, and girls named Faora. The End

  • Paulie

    Well, not knowing who you are, which he didn’t at that point.. makes you frustrated. And then some truck driver pours beer on your face? But yeah, he has the luxury of being nearly invincible. The average schmoe would’ve been laid back in that circumstance.

  • Plinkett

    Please email me if you need a pizza roll.

  • Plinkett

    So average schmoes have better tempers than schmooperman?

  • Dirtman73

    Those guys are more knowledgeable about movies and the process of film-making than most professional critics. This little factoid would be apparent to you if had seen more than one of their reviews.

  • zerosozha

    You could certainly argue that, yeah.
    And if that doesn’t jive with you, that’s a legitimate reason for you NOT to like that character.
    But he DOES have character. To say that he doesn’t is asinine.

  • Paulie

    Only if they know why they have those superpowers, where they come from. He didn’t.

  • Plinkett

    I never said he DIDN’T have character. This test is useful in more ways than one. People keep telling me Smuperman was like this really good guy… but I’m not buying it.

  • John Dach

    It was an indictment of Krypton’s science over nature philosophy. What Krypton did was morally wrong in Jor-El’s eyes and therefore Superman’s “you had your chance” -Kal-El

  • Plinkett

    But wouldn’t they cease to be “average” hoes if they had super powers?

  • John Dach

    this is the attempt at a Nolanverse Superman. Batman did what he felt he had to do, wasn’t always popular.

  • StopCivilisation

    He is not a good guy at least not after watching this CGI party

  • John

    Well I read the comics and TASM wasn’t Spider-Man to me. It felt like they had just decided that what works for Batman will work for Spider-Man and they forget that they’re two totally different characters with different tones. Every scene seemed to be set at night even. The darkness can be incorporated in to a more lighthearted movie such as Tony Stark’s anxiety issues in Iron Man 3. He suffers from anxiety in all 3 films if you think about it. He’s got a piece of shrapnel edging closer to his heart and yet the tone remains what an Iron Man film (to me anyway) should be,

    TASM seems to work for other people though, it’s just my preference.

  • Paulie

    How did whores get into this picture? They only have one superpower. They’re expensive, most of the time.

  • StopCivilisation

    If you however remove I,II,II from the series and goes only by what they tell about anakin in IV,V,IV then its another story.

  • Plinkett

    Ok… that’s it. It’s done.

  • Plinkett

    I’d love to forget those movies too, but the pain won’t go away.

  • Mike Jakermen

    To Be Fair. The Best part of “Death of Superman” wasn’t the death. It was “Funeral for a Friend”. Which was about how people reacted to Superman Death. The Actual Death was pretty Boring. But they did do it in a way that didn’t make him look like a out and out killer. It almost looked like they both died of Fatigue.

  • StopCivilisation

    haha I know. We are many out there that will forever be hurted by them. Oh dear god. MOS (Swedish word for mashed potatoes by the way) makes us talk about I,II, III… this has to stop!

  • Listener3

    “Krypton had its chance!” -Superman

    That’s as ruthlessly genocidal as anything said by General Zod. So disturbing.

  • Plinkett

    Who the fuck do these people think they are? Hitler?

  • StopCivilisation

    try harder

  • bluehawk222

    How? There were no Kryptonians left.

  • Paulie

    This beer is good.

  • Alex Winter

    Can we have a separate review show where cartoons of Beaker, the Wizard hipster and Yoko drawn by Shaun the animator discuss movies they have recently seen? I believe it would be most excellent!

  • Metropolis Baker

    H-hey Superman I’m running a little late on my Superinsurance payments this month so could you give a little extra time? Don’t get me wrong I still want to keep my policy because I wouldn’t dream of backing out on some Superprotection but it’s been rough this month.

  • Matt Baen

    Those who want to see a comics-faithful conceptualization of Superman should check out the animated direct to video movies All-Star Superman and Superman Vs. The Elite, both adapted from comic book stories.

  • bluehawk222

    All-Star Superman adaptation is okay but loses some of the better parts of the comic. Same for Superman vs the Elite, and the animation for that wasn’t as great.

  • StopCivilisation

    Neat review

  • Fred

    That is a sterling idea! Mabe Jay could sometimes guest. Not Mike though.

  • David Goyer

    MOS wasn’t that bad! It was certainly better than some of the shit like “Jack The Giant Killer” you have maintained is watchable.

  • StopCivilisation

    After seeing this one 2012 began to look like a fairly “non-destructive” movie to be honest.

  • Michael Bond

    Fuck the “Care Bores”!

  • Plinkett

    … but Batman didn’t murder people. And this is the least Nolan movie ever (aside from the color palate).

  • smylexx

    Harry Knowles likes Godzilla. Yes, really!!

  • GoddamnMarvelites

    This is what happens when we leave Marvelites unchecked. I swear all the DC fans should band together and get rid of them all somehow.

  • fangamathang

    more at 11. back to you ron.

  • Jamey Redd

    pop up video ads every 20 seconds guys really?

  • StopCivilisation

    So while I was recovering from this movie I happened to watch Lasse hallström’s latest movie “Safe Haven”. And I personally found it really good-not as good as his masterpiece “Hachi: A Dog’s Tale”-and maybe my expectations was so low at the time that it felt better than it is but I still recommend it.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1702439/combined

  • mobius322

    Too funny! I love Punisher War Zone and Ultraviolet too.

    Tank Girl, Johnny Mnemonic, Death Race (Jason Statham), and Priest were all badass movies too, despite “sucking”.

  • StopCivilisation

    Oh Johnny Mnemonic the Matrix prequel :)

  • Guest

    The Punisher is more virtuous than this Superman interpretation.

  • Plinkett

    How many gigs can you fit in YOUR head? I can fit 3…

  • StopCivilisation

    After MOS I think my brain overloaded so currently I’m down to 640kb only!

  • fuckbutter

    just wipe em off? what, are you 12?

  • Kevin Baird

    My argument is that Man of Steel comes no where close to the levels of stupidity that the original does.

  • Richard Head

    Is that the part where he says he needs to buy some crack?

  • StopCivilisation

    crack can maybe make this movie better

  • StopCivilisation

    It had been nice if it killed Hollywood though :)

  • Sam Jones

    Supposedly, Mark Waid was so pissed at the ending, he wanted to leave the theater right then and there – there are going to be people pissed at Snyder for a long time over this “adrenalin fueled joy ride”.

  • Sam Jones

    thing is, the audience probably heard motherf$%ker in their kill crazed minds.

  • Sam Jones

    Hilarious!!!

  • Sam Jones

    It was made for these times. Soulless, merciless, media overloaded, thoughtless and angry people. He was conflicted, told not to be who he truly was, wanted to fit in, but couldn’t…i mean what’s the big deal ? I think they couldve been a little more clever, but it is exactly what it was supposed to be – a man from another planet with powers superior and reacting as a HUMAN would..in fact, Krypton appeared to be more of a warlike planet, so it even makes more sense it was to the death.

  • Sam Jones

    I think the issue was … could they strike a balance between the carnage and mayhem of Avengers, yet keep it grounded and non-fictionalized gothic sf with Dark knight overtones..and some how it got lost between the two examples, drowning in exposition. I mean, if they camped it up, and had the “You’re a credit to your race, White” moment and Lois, we should believe the Government…cooperate – would that have been better? The Lois and Superman dinner scene and night flight? People just didnt like Snyder’s interpretation of it.

  • 90secondsman

    Movie did not satisfied me. What a shame. Even 2006 version “Superman Returns” was better in some aspects. You cannot win with Zakk Snnayider or whatever the fuck his name is.

  • SchlockWorship

    Yeah. In retrospect, my IQ did seem a tad high…

  • SchlockWorship

    “touches”, forever aloner.

  • Sam Jones

    That’s kind of a cliche. They updated what they could do visually, it was astounding, and it made the original look even more dated and wack. This is a superhuman fighting other superhumans – maybe they observe gentlemen’s rules and fight in a desert..uh NO the Zod Military WANTS to inflict as much carnage as possible. – I agree that maybe “less is more” – but they have a formula, and couldnt risk deviating from it, and the box office pretty much dictated decent success and they’ll take the “divided opinion” as Man of Steel 2 is already green-lighted. Frankly, I dont see how they couldve struck any kind of balance regarding his superhuman ability and a compelling story, unless his protagonist went “over the line”.

    Maybe they tighten it up in the sequel and the formula of “sequel bests original in the trilogy” continues

  • SchlockWorship

    Not talking about their respective box office takes.

    If how much money something made was an accurate measure of its quality, junk food would be nutritious, war would bring peace and the iPhone 1 v5.0 would be an innovative smartphone.

  • SchlockWorship

    DENSEly layered- yes.

  • SchlockWorship

    Apparently YOU care enough to read it and then leave a return comment, iLemming.

  • Miss Eris

    A very apt review.

  • Miss Eris

    There was nothing groundbreaking about the action or effects in this film. It looked like Transformers. Just more disaster porn.

    Any film can have great effects these days, since all you need is a room full of computers. What is lacking in this film is a decent story, and they try to cover for that by beating you over the head with “groundbreaking action and visual effects.”

    As for Superman being more “relatable”, sorry but I couldn’t disagree more. This Superman is cold and joyless. I prefer the boy scout.

  • HiSOD

    I wouldn’t have minded a different, more realistic approach to the superman-theme. actually, it’s what I hoped for with nolan and snyder behind this. Nolan made a great effort to depict batman in a more dark, serious and not so “comic-flashy” way. in my opinion this could’ve been possible with superman, too. it could’ve been about how he struggles with the teachings of his foster father, that he felt like he would betray him if he actually used his powers. about a journey, where he had to evolve as a person, and overcome his instilled fear of resentment by people to finally grow into a force for good. the trailer made this a possible outcome, but what we get of his “maturation” are glimpses at best. it’s more about having him punch large objects and fellow aliens…

  • BK

    most random review ever..
    Stop riding on your star wars review success.. that well will run dry soon..
    “worst movie of summer ??” are u kidding me!!!
    what did u guys smoke..
    its become fashionable to dislike the movie..
    Lot of respect lost due to this review.. you might not care but trust me.. this is the most biased review ever..

  • Miss Eris

    I know what its about. Its about 2 and 1/2 hours.

    And its some of the longest 2 and 1/2 hours I’ve ever spent in a theater.

  • polomint

    I have no problem with them humanising Superman. I’d prefer it if he was more relatable in some way. Only problem is Snyder/Goyer made an AWFUL job of it! I also did not care about the controversial ending, because leading to that point…

    SPOILER: Superman had already helped level a town, half a city and pretty much destroyed a ship full of unborn krypton babies! Thats right, Superman: the baby killer. “They had they’re chance!” …DA DADADADAAA, DA DA DAAA…

  • Javier Marcelo Pacheco

    So, Superman was contemplating if humanity deserved to die because of some bullies and drunks he met throughout his life? Good thing he was never across the south border or watched the news.

  • BK

    Everyone’s complaining about Superman killing babies or Baby pods or whatever they were.. those pods were in existence since 18000 yrs (age of ship).. how do u even know they were alive??
    Artificial Life or synthesised life is considered bad even now.. Why do u think cloning has been made illegal??
    Or for that matter do you feel guilty when you u jerk off.. hey u are killing millions of sperms right!! are u a potential baby killer then??
    Completely ridiculous arguments..
    this movie was realistic.. if a superior alien race comes to earth and want to take over.. Trust me. .cities will fall.. and destruction will be a lot more than shown in this movie..
    people complain that he didnt save people from building.. would you rather have him take the machine out or save some people from building..whats the bigger picture.. what would u do in that position.
    Action was amazing in the movie.. the attention to details was really good.. (talking about the instance where the floor below superman cracks but he still manages to levitate horizontally..) and i think if anything action was lesser than what i wanted…

  • Andrew Coleman

    Vote?!
    Haha, you fools think this is a democracy. RedLetterMedia is a Rich Even dictatorship and it always has been, all we can do is bow down to our maniacal overlord, like Mike and Jay do, and praise him for his infinite wisdom when he decides what the next Plinkett review is.

  • Jeff

    I think the film was trying to talk about overcoming limitations and becoming our better selves. Unfortunately, since Superman is omnipotent, there is no where to go with his character and thus no character arc, so the movie is just one big exposition

  • Plinkett

    See, the problem with this comment is that it’s thinking. Zack Snyder did not think when he made this movie. He did not understand the implications of Superman blowing up a ship full of Krypton babies. He did no think whether that was morally right or wrong due to the fact that both Jor-El and Zod were probably results of the same process of codex-birth. So that might in fact mean that Snyder DOES support cloning and synthesized life. Or he’s just stupid.

  • Andrew Coleman

    Perhaps they didn’t comment on the “shaky cam” because they didn’t have a problem with it.
    That particular visual style seems to be the popular thing to hate on at the moment, even though it’s nothing new there’s not even anything necessarily “wrong” with it.
    Like any cinematic technique it can be used well or used badly.
    Do you really think all Hollywood films should all look the same, and stick to the one visual style you’re used to?
    Maybe it’s the type of audience who watch blockbusters but I didn’t see people complaining about Smashed or In The Loop using a Cinéma vérité style, or any of Lars Von Trier’s films but apparently when a Hollywood movie does it it’s “crap shaky cam”.

  • HiSOD

    i think what they meant was actually “worst letdown of the summer”, because everyone of them had high expectations. and why wouldn’t you? there’s people who made very well conceived movies behind it, and the trailer had an epic flair to it. what actually came out was mostly irritating and/or boring. there was no arc whatsoever, lots of inconsistencies that got shoved aside with the “alien”-label and zero relatable characters. i thought all the time “this was purely shot for the trailer”, they didn’t go far to weave anything into the movie. most stuff just happens, and you’re expected to take it. if you liked it, you’re welcome to, but don’t label the people who thought this had more in store as idiots.

  • Richard Head

    I like how Mike, Jay, and Rich are being branded as “Marvel Sympathizers” by people who actually mean it in a serious way. And of course they’re saying “Marvel Sympathizer” the way you’d say “Nazi Sympathizer” if you were sitting in the peanut gallery at the Nuremberg Trials.

    They are fucking comic book movies, people! Go get a girlfriend.

  • decora

    what would you consider to be a good use of your time, then?

  • cordy

    Quiet possibly the worst review of a movie I have every seen in my life, worst film of the summer for fuck sake get your heads out of you arse, and Jay stop with the stupid little girl laugh , totally bullshit review, get a grip guys

  • decora

    Mike…. we saw your opinion in the show, do you really need to comment on the message board?

  • decora

    actually, its spelled “desent”. lol. dont you know how to spell!

  • decora

    i believe the exact line in the film was

    “you motherfucking cum guzzling cunt shit trash whore”

    if anything, Mike gave the film the benefit of the doubt!

  • Newguy

    Do these guys always completely ignore things like script and plot points when talking about a movie they obviously wanted to hate from the start, or is this an in-joke I’m not getting? Also, are they always insulting assholes?

    Is this review typical or different I guess is what I’m trying to say. Cause this is a bit shit. I hope they aren’t taken too seriously, cause no merit? Really?

  • Linus

    Wonder which Character they gonna fucking ruin next, great review btw

  • BK

    So it went from “worst movie of the summer” in the video to “worst let down of the summer”.. think theres a difference..and if that was the case.. should have been mentioned. (since they expect the movies they review to be super clear.. )
    If they think this is the worst movie this summer then I can honestly say they are hypocrites.. and want to get into the esteemed club of obnoxious critics of Rotten Tomatoes who trashed the movie.. Hey WE ALL WANT TO PLEASE OUR PEERS DONT WE!!!!
    are they saying this movie for SO BAD THAT there wasnt anything good about it???
    I agree that trailer raised a hell lot of expectations.. but the movie did deliver more that 80% of those expectations (my opinion)..
    Storywise: we all know the origins.. so there wasnt going to be any twist in it.. good part of the movie was clarke childhood troubles were shown well.. his anguish/ confusion/ anger all handled well via flashbacks
    Action/CG: Amazing is the term.. made me smile at the directors vision of capturing action.. superman fighting faora/ and the other guy in smallville is probably one of the best action sequence ever..
    Characters: This movie just focussed on two main entities and what drives them. One is superman and the other is Zod.. both given enough screen time to develop…
    I can safely say at the end of the movie what were each persons motivation.. what drove them to do what they did..
    Superman: initially confused, seeking his place.. has sense of morality but has the courage to do what is necessary for greater good (hence the killing..)
    Zod: driven, loyal to his race.. achieve goal at whatever cost..

  • Nanbo

    Worst film I have seen so far in 2013. Here is my review also.
    http://debuffblog.blogspot.fr/

  • decora

    the worst part was when Biff tried to rape Mike’s mom in the back of a 1954 packard, and Jay had to beat the shit out of Biff, while screaming “motherfucker”, finally snapping his neck and throwing his dead body into the pavement in such a way that it made a huge trench, tearing up the ground in its path. Then Jay said “nooooooo”

  • Whatnow

    Man of Steel was, I think, the best Superman movie. Mainly because his
    powers are consistent. No flying backwards around the Earth to reverse
    time, no memory wiping kiss and no throwable film/plastic Superman logo.

    Was
    it prefect? No. Was it a prefect Superman movie? No. But after
    Smallville and Superman Returns messed things up it was the closest
    anyone has gotten.

    A lot of things are either missing, cut in
    editing or left for the viewer to figure out. So there maybe an extend
    DVD version in the future.

    The ending is more that Superman is
    the only one that can destroy the world engine in India and he trusts
    Lois and the military to stop the other ship. Zod wasn’t supposed to
    survive so the destructive fight wasn’t meant to happen in Superman’s
    plan and he was unprepared for it.

    The Superman suit wasn’t just
    laying in the scout ship, the Jor-El AI created it once it was inserted
    into the ship. Probably a fabrication unit the ship had for the crew.

    The
    scene where Jonathan Kent dies should have cut back to Lois and Clark
    and built on a budding romance or at least mutual respect for each other
    rather than a full flashback. Lois asking questions, learning about
    Clark and understanding him.

    I did like that Lois tracked him
    down as an investigative reporter she is and that there isn’t the old
    ‘fooled by glasses’ issue. Don’t think they should of kissed or had a
    romance in this film, build it up over the course of several films,
    establish a friendship first. But I suppose they didn’t know if they’d
    get a sequel so…

    Issues I did have…

    1) Jor-El riding some four winged Krypton monster, no, just give him a hover bike or some shuttle like thing.

    2)
    Kal-El being a natural birth so he had no predefined fate, then
    encoding Krypton’s DNA library into him and telling him he has a
    destiny? No.

    3) Jonathan Kent dieing in a tornado? No, it needs
    to be a medical reason, heart attack, stroke, cancer, something Clark
    can’t fight and shows that despite all his power there are some things
    he can’t stop.

    4)The church scene was fine except the shot with
    the stain glass window, Clark and the Kent’s are a farming family from
    middle America so are likely christian, so Clark asking a priest for his
    opinion is fine, just don’t bring Jesus into it.

    5) The weird
    tentacle arms flying out of the world engine, no. Just Superman
    overcoming the heat, Wind, Krypton like atmosphere and increased Gravity is fine.

    6) There did need to be more of Superman saving people on a personal level, like the oil rig fire, and most of the destruction is caused by Zod, his followers, the military or the world engine. But Superman should have forced the fights away from populated areas not drag it into Smallville. But that’s a visual/director choice to have action over logic.

    7)
    Snapping Zod’s neck. Yeah, Superman shouldn’t kill, if you have the
    power to snap his neck you can probably turn it as well. Those civilians
    could have run. And Kryptonian heat vision is projected at were they
    are looking not the direction their head is facing, so Zod could just
    move his eyes, but I think the scene is about Zod forcing Kal-El to kill
    him, so that gets a pass.

    Overall, it was as close to Superman
    Birthright (imho the best comic book version of Superman) that there has
    been. And I look forward to a sequel. Think of this movie as Batman
    Begins and hope for a Dark Knight next.

  • BedWetterMedia

    Worst review ever! Seriously that was pathetic. It’s like someone castrated and lobotomised the 3 Stooges and sent them off to the movies. No wonder you couldn’t understand the film. Don’t mention the acting or the script, the visuals, cinematography, set and costume design – just blithely take the piss of every scene in a sardonic, bitchy, school girl way. In no way does that qualify as a legit review. You come across as if you’re trying your best to hate the film for no damn reason. Fuck you guys

  • BK

    Again.. how do u know they were alive?? what u saw were baby pods which were there since 18000 yrs.. were they alive?? did they unleash the codex on them?? how do u know?
    Jor -ed was against this very system.. Zod wanted to use the system to selectively choose who lives or dies..
    but the question that matters is how do u know there were live babies in that ship?????

  • decora

    i kind of like him, his movies are bizarre messes but at least they are different.

    watchmen, sucker punch, superman. i can pick out scenes of each of these that i think are great, even if the movie ‘doesnt work’ for me as a whole. the intro credit roll of watchmen is just classic man, classic.

    also his movies do look amazing, like someone who makes violent, disjointed movies also has an artistic side that just likes paintings and the tiniest details.

  • eon davidson

    Worst comment ever! Seriously that was pathetic. It’s like someone castrated and lobotomised a Youtube commenter and sent them off to comment on a web series. No wonder you can’t understand the show.

  • oh my gawd

    The comment section..

    ..oh my gawd….

    http://tutorials.bitbucket.org/images/full_of_stars.jpg

  • Amante

    While I’d say the review was a little harsh, in retrospect I don’t know that I can disagree with the points raised.

    I actually started out really enjoying the movie, probably because I went in with lowered expectations (I’ve already accepted that action and sci-fi movies aren’t made for people like me anymore). The script and acting were somewhat rote, but I was still grooving along with it . . . then the action started in earnest.

    Any good will the movie built up is destroyed in the last 30-40 minutes. My god, so much desensitizing action with so little substance. It really feels like Zack Snyder just waving his dick around on the screen, after having to hold it in after an hour and a half of “characterization” and “exposition”. I’d say it turned into DBZ at the end, but in DBZ they actually care about avoiding collateral damage, as the characters typically fly off to some bizarrely featureless environment to have their big punch-ups.

    For a Superman movie, it was completely ridiculous how much death and destruction there was, especially near the end in Metropolis. And Superman himself really seems to put no thought or care into it . . . but when Zod is going to laserbeam a family, all of a sudden it’s the biggest deal ever. What gives?

    Saying it would have been better as a Hulk movie is pretty on the money. You could highlight the script as an issue and all, but I really Zack Snyder’s ADHD is what sinks this movie.

  • HiSOD

    your points are valid, yet i can’t help the feeling that though everything was “statistically” there, it wasn’t conceived well enough to make for a coherent, enjoyable experience (for me) or actually care what’s happening to whom. we don’t have to talk production values, they’re up up and away, but story and investment-wise it left me completely hollow. again, if you liked it, that’s good for you. hell, how i wish i would’ve liked it! it’s just that…i simply didn’t.

  • decora

    would it be better if they made a “mohammad” superman film?

  • Anon

    Oh jeez.

  • kingofmadcows

    I really don’t understand why so many people miss the point of Superman. Yes, he’s got all these incredible powers that allow him to do almost anything but he uses his powers wisely and more importantly, he knows when not to use those powers. We’re not supposed to aspire to become Superman because that’s impossible. We can never have Superman’s powers. Superman is supposed to be this extremely optimistic example that serves as a counter to the cynical idea of “power corrupts.” He’s there to remind us that when we acquire power, we do not have to let it corrupt us, that we can use our power for the greater good and abstain from using power when it can harm others.

    I don’t see how you can make a Superman film that doesn’t address that idea at all. In fact, this film misses that point completely and instead goes for a bunch of pointless Jesus allegories.

    As for Superman killing Zod. When you think about it within the context of this film, the problem isn’t that Superman killed Zod, the problem is that Superman didn’t kill Zod sooner. The scene is set up so that Superman has to make the impossible choice, kill Zod or let innocent people die. However, the fight between Superman and Zod has already caused massive amounts of collateral damage so that scene was not the first “impossible choice.” Every time Zod tries attacking Superman, civilian death is pretty much guaranteed. So if Superman really was willing to put the lives of humans over Zod, he should have been trying to kill Zod throughout the entire fight.

  • BK

    fair enough.. and what you said was what review should have been.. atleast an objective review..
    This movie has things that some people will find satisfying and some people wont..but to term it as the worst movie of the summer is what i would call unwarranted..

  • Sarah Sachs

    Shaky can can be used to great effect. WWII movies, for instance, tend to use it well. But for scenes with little to no action (the church scene for instance), it’s more annoying than anything.

    It didn’t add to the movie in the slightest, especially when done over an already CG-heavy film. As my dad put it, “It was practically a cartoon so why the hell’s it need shaky cam for?”

  • BedWetterMedia

    Oh wow, good one. Well said. Such wit. Please continue………or do you need me to give you something to say?

  • NCS

    Rick Snyder

  • hocash

    This review is terrible. MOS had it’s issues but not 1/10 as many as this review. Star Trek Into Darkness had actual plot holes and ridiculous scenarios – the nitpicking on MOS is just inexplicable. Lois Lane in too many places? What?

  • hocash

    They literally complain about how the Kryptonian DNA is encoded into Superman? That it’s magic? Wow. I can’t wait to hear them complain about warp drive, photon torpedos, Thor’s hammer, etc. Idiotic.

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    I respectfully disagree. I think that this is “A” Superman, and the character can be put into different tonal environments and still be interesting. We already have the 70’s movies, can’t we try for something darker… Just to switch it up a little?

    It’s like how I don’t mind the Adam West Batman. The contrast between that and Nolan helps both. You can have silly fun and you can have dark and somber.

  • JackCrowley

    Go start a review site and talk about how great Man of Steel is rather than bag on these guys in the comments. Your not going to get much support here, especially with how overtly mean your trying to be. You could at least try to give a calm criticism expressing point by point why they are wrong. Personally i also don’t agree with the whole review but i don’t feel the need to go on a tirade about how these guys are assholes.

  • Plinkett

    Cause it makes a lot more sense for them to be carrying live babies than dead ones. Look, you miss the point of my comment. I’m not trying to say that your point isn’t plausible, it’s just that the movie doesn’t care, or does not have the ability to care…. cause it’s stupid.

  • StopCivilisation

    how do you know they weren’t alive ?! This movie did never give any clue which makes up for the viewers perception to deicide which is terrible in this case because the movie should have made it clear, unless superman doesn’t really care which this movie points out time and time again the he doesn’t.

  • Plinkett

    But EVERY movie is trying to do that today. Is it really switching it up if you’re just copying everyone else? You take a popular franchise, make it all gritty, grungy, and dark, and sell it to the masses. Even movies that aren’t like that are still advertised that way. Look at Iron Man 3, all the trailers make that movie look like the “serious” chapter in the franchise, when it really wasn’t as much as any of the other movies in the series.

  • vsion

    Yes Richard we’re all basement dwelling nerds with no girlfriends.

  • MadeManOfSteel

    Fuck you, pay me!

  • StopCivilisation

    wow another of the Adam Sandler fanbse shows up.

    95% of his crew must have been here by now.

  • BedWetterMedia

    What do you think comment sections are for? If there’s somewhere to give feedback, I’ll give feedback. These guys are putting out content and they should expect criticism. If this is how they make their living, they need criticism to improve. This was supposed to be a movie review and they didn’t review the movie. It was childish, churlish nonsense that had damn near no legitimate points to be made. That’s why they’re wrong and I said so in my initial comment. I didn’t call them assholes, I simply treated them in the same way they treated the movie.

  • StopCivilisation

    or boyfriend…

  • BK

    well they werent alive coz Zod didnt have the codex! Codex was in superman .. Codex had the “DNA” without which you wont be able to create one …. why would an 18000 yr old ship keep inventories of live babies??
    if superman didnt care.. why would he bother to stop zod??

  • StopCivilisation

    I guess he wanted to stop Zod because Zod would otherwise had killed steel man.. I would get rather pissed off if someone tried to kill me.

  • BK

    it doesnt make sense to carry live babies to put DNA on them later.. U grow them from some base tissue culture perhaps..justs common sense to me..
    but hey.. thats how i think..

  • BK

    again.. u really didnt see the movie.. Zod didnt have any vendetta against superman.. he asks him to join him build krypton on earth.. zod had a goal and wanted to do anything to get there
    if supes didnt care..why not join Zod.. why bother fighting him..

  • BedWetterMedia

    Ugh, is this what passes as a quip in your world?! Come back when you develop a personality of your own.

    On second thoughts, don’t come back!

  • eon davidson

    Half in the bag is entertainment first, review second. There are countless reviews of this movie elsewhere. We watch these for Mike, Jay and Rich. I don’t think RLM are worried about being considered ‘legit’ in your eyes.
    F.Y.I saying they’re castrated, lobotomised Stooges is not feedback, but I think you already knew that.
    I will no longer feed this troll.

  • Carteeg_Struve

    Right… except for Superman, Zod, the rest of the army, and the unborn children. What happened is the equivalent of looking at an endangered species and then killing them off because “they had their chance” and obviously weren’t going to make it.

  • StopCivilisation

    in my world..we are both in the same world actually. Our perceptions of reality might differ but we are still in the same world.

  • JackCrowley

    I didn’t say so but this is what i meant to convey. If you were admonishing them for the way they were going about the review and wanted people to agree with you then there was a better way of going about it than just doing what they did. Again not saying you are wrong but you there a better alternatives, like the way you responded to me, than just putting out bile.

  • Mister_Misinformed

    It definitely wasn’t prefect.

  • Carteeg_Struve

    I just had an image in my head of James Carville in the Superman tights… and it WON’T leave.

    BunnyFooFoo, damn you to Hell.

  • Plinkett

    Not. The. Point.

  • StopCivilisation

    Well considering how much destruction they create, in a way he is joining Zod in this movie :P

  • BedWetterMedia

    Well they need to work on both the first and second points because that was not entertaining, nor was it a review. I’m honestly not trolling, I’m expressing an opinion. I am free to do this and If you don’t like it then don’t talk to me. Capiche?!

  • BedWetterMedia

    Sorry, but after watching the video, bile was what came forth. It was my knee jerk reaction based on what I just watched. I completely agree that cooler heads always prevail, and you shouldn’t just throw insults at people, but I seemed unable to contain my disdain. A lesson learned I suppose……

  • BK

    so Damned if you do.. Damned if you dont..
    if he fights Zod.. you say “hey look at all the buildings they are destroying in the fight..”.. look at whats at STAKE here.. its the planet.. and you whinge about buildings (which were most probably evacuated coz there was a freaking alien ship right outside)
    should he have lead him away from city.. yeah probably.. but who is to say Zod would have followed him and not stay at metropolis and created more havoc? he was after all mad at both superman and the human race in general..
    if he didnt fight him.. then u say he doesnt care..
    make up ur mind..!!

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    None of that is really the fault of this movie. I feel that I would like (for a change of pace) to see a more light hearted action-adventure movie elsewhere, and not diminish this movie just because it comes at a time when a lot of movies are trying out this type of tone.

    I liked “Iron Man 3″. I liked “Star Trek Into Darkness”. I likes “The Amazing Spiderman”. And “Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters” was fun. I don’t lament any of them for being part of the dark and gritty age of sci-fi/fantasy that is current. Why fault “Man of Steel” for the environment it is in?

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    Yeah, the Lois Lane thing. She is the audience surrogate. But really they didn’t need her in a lot of the scenes she was in. Dr. Hamilton could have been the view point guy, so could Colonel Christopher Meloni. They had a bigger cast that they did not make enough use of for the role of “question asker”.

  • Richard Head

    That’s exactly what I was saying.

    Admitting it is an important first step, though. The next step is, of course, tossing your Fleshlight in the garbage and actually leaving the basement.

  • John Jay

    Interesting article I ran across:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/movies/man-of-steel-aims-to-make-superman-relevant-again.html

    Snippets:

    “Though Mr. Goyer grew up admiring the Norman Rockwell-esque charm of the 1978 “Superman” movie, directed by Richard
    Donner and starring Christopher Reeve, he never felt much connection to its hero. “I used to imagine that I was Batman,” Mr. Goyer said, “but not Superman.””

    “Yet, when Mr. Snyder was approached for “Man of Steel,” it was something he and Ms. Snyder had to think about “We were both, like, ‘I don’t know,’ ” he recalled. “Is Superman cool? Is that good? Do we want to do Superman?” Like his “Man of Steel” collaborators, Mr. Snyder had difficulties sympathizing with the extraterrestrial and all-powerful character, a fact that was not helped by the many attempts at reinventing Superman in recent years.”

    “Perhaps the greater frustration for Mr. Snyder was the fact that “Sucker Punch” — filmed from an original script he wrote with Steve Shibuya, and not adapted from any comic book, video game or breakfast cereal — had been rejected at a time when moviegoers are clamoring for original ideas, while they continue to go in droves to see franchise films (including, potentially, “Man of Steel”).

    “People complain but it’s supply and demand,” he said. “The movie business is the first business that changes course. If suddenly everyone’s like, ‘Oh, people want to see movies about rabbits,’ that’s all you’re going to get.””

    ““We assume that Clark is not a virgin — I do,” he said. ” You don’t see that, but that’s the assumption.”

    That last statement came out of left field. I guess Clark uses kryptonite condoms? [facepalm]

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    Up till that point the Phantom Zone was a hypothetical solution, and I guess Clark would prefer not to be the last member of his species in the material universe. I think he only ultimately killed Zod because it became so imminently clear that Zod was never going to stop killing.

  • BedWetterMedia

    What did I just say about not coming back?? Naughty!!!

    ‘In your world’ is a figure of speech Holmes, I really didn’t think you’d take it literally. Maybe I’m pitching over your head a little.

    Also, Adam Sandler has made some passable films I’ll have you know. Except ‘That’s My Boy,’ that was horrible. And that one where he plays his own sister. Unforgivable. In fact he’s probably made more crap than good, but……….Happy Gilmore = quite funny…………yeah, that’s it!

  • Mark Bisone

    I think I can summarize this episode’s commentsplosion:

  • StopCivilisation

    You raise valid points. Why didn’t he even try ? As you say Zod might have not followed but then we would have seen steel man at least try and what follows (this CGI extravaganca) had, in my opinion, made more sense. Buildings would still have collapsed and millions of innocent humans would still have died a horrid CGI death but then it had been easier for me as viewer to relate to what happens because I know that he had tried to save the place from all that destruction. Just a tiny little thing that had put more depth into it all.

  • StopCivilisation

    Regarding Naughty, Naughty Dog’s latest PS3 game “last of us” is pretty cool.

    I know its a figure of speech but we are still in the same world ;)
    I can pass along Happy Gilmore, its not among his worst I give you that.

  • Plinkett

    Oh, but it is it’s fault. See, the ONLY reason this movie was made was to make money. They didn’t care about telling stories or giving the audience something that’ll enrich their lives, they just wanted your money. People wanted to see a dark gritty Superman because they thought that was why they liked those Nolan Batman movies. Studios realized this and decided to reboot the next big franchise that hadn’t gotten the “Nolan” touch. Thus, a movie so influenced by it’s “environment” is made, and I forget my pills.

  • John Jay

    [Nolan was initially reluctant to have Superman snap the villain’s neck, but Goyer went and got the “OK” from DC Comics.]

    http://collider.com/man-of-steel-ending-christopher-nolan-mark-waid/

    [Superman: Birthright author Mark Waid on MoS:

    Superman wins by killing Zod. By snapping his neck. And
    as this moment was building, as Zod was out of control and Superman was (for the first time since the fishing boat 90 minutes ago) struggling to actually save innocent victims instead of casually catching them in mid-plummet, some crazy guy in front of us was muttering “Don’t do it…don’t do it…DON’T DO IT…” and then Superman snapped Zod’s neck and that guy stood up and said in a very loud voice, “THAT’S IT, YOU LOST ME, I’M OUT,” and his girlfriend had to literally pull him back into his seat and keep him from walking out and that crazy guy was me. That crazy guy was me, and I barely even remember doing that, I had to be told afterward that I’d done that, that’s how caught up in betrayal I felt. And after the neck-snapping, even though I stuck it out, I didn’t give a damn about the rest of the movie.

    As the credits rolled, I told myself I was upset because Superman
    doesn’t kill. Full-stop, Superman doesn’t kill. But sitting there, I
    broke it down some more in my head because I sensed there was more to it since Superman clearly regretted killing Zod. I had to grant that the filmmakers at least went way out of their way to put Superman in a position suggesting (but hardly conclusively proving) he had no choice (and I did love Superman’s immediate-aftermath reaction to what he’d done). I granted that they’d at least tried to present Superman with an impossible choice and, on a purely rational level, and if this had been a movie about a guy named Ultraguy, I might even have bought what he did. But after I processed all that, I realized that it wasn’t so much my uncompromising vision of Superman that made this a total-fail moment for me; it was the failed lead-up TO the moment. As Superman’s having his final one-on-one battle with Zod, show me that he’s going out of his way to save people from getting caught in the middle. SHOW ME that trying to simultaneously protect humans and beat Zod is achingly, achingly costing Superman the fight. Build to that moment of the hard choice…show me, without doubt, that Superman has no other out and do a better job of convincing me that it’s a hard decision to make, and maybe I’ll give it to you. But even if I do? It’s not a victory. Not this sad, soul-darkening, utterly sans-catharsis “triumph” that doesn’t even feel like a win so much as a stop-loss. Two and a half hours, and I never once got the sense that Superman really achieved or earned anything.]

  • whocares

    Yeah, I really would have liked more insights of their opinion on the whole costume-design thing.

  • celozzip

    i can’t believe you just wrote all that shit. get a hobby, friend.

  • whocares

    No, perhaps, yes, yes, no, sometimes, yes.

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    I will agree that movies are really only made to make money.
    I don’t really see your point there. They thought this movie would be liked by the public and make money, so they made it. I liked it.

    I do not feel that being dark in and of itself is a detriment, and I do not think that trying to make a movie that people want to see because you are motivated by profit is fundamentally different than making a movie that people want to see because you are motivated by anything else. Either attempt results in them producing a movie that they hope people will want to see.

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    Spelling is bad. Used the comma correctly. Odd.

  • Plinkett

    It’s bad because the movie is stupid. It’s such a meat-headed way to approach filmmaking, and it resulted in a meat-headed movie. Yeah you can like it, and that’s fine, but it’s still stupid.

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    People keep calling it stupid. I don’t understand why. It was straightforward certainly. I never had any trouble following what was going on, I knew why everyone was doing what they were doing. It isn’t confusing. It moves at a good clip.

    I guess I just hear people say something they dislike, and I just respond with, “I didn’t have a problem with that. I know the thing you just pointed out exists, it just doesn’t bother me.”

    “The action scenes were confusing and overwhelming”
    “Well, they are moving at super speed and are stronger than any substance on Earth. They are supposed to be overwhelming.”
    “Superman mopes around too much, why isn’t he happier.”
    “His race is dead, he is a man among apes on a world that he could accidently break at any moment. He is sad because the last remnants of his true home turned out to be assholes and he literally has to kill them for the sake of the apes. I’d be sad too.”

    I don’t get what people are complaining about.

  • CreepyThinMan

    THESE SKETCHES FUCKING SUCK!!! I LOVED THE STAR WARS REVIEWS, WELL, THE FIRST TWO AT LEAST, BUT YOU STARTED FUCKING ABOUT TOO MUCH!!!FACT!!!

    Half in the Bag isn’t entertaining and seeing you twatting about bores me to fucking tears!!!FACT!!!

  • Plinkett

    It’s stupid because the whole idea of Superman is that he’s this savior-Jesus dude that humanity looks too for salvation. But instead the movie portrays him as an asshole who gets people killed and holds entire countries hostage. The really stupid part is that the director probably didn’t realize any of this while making it.

  • http://flesheatingbug.deviantart.com/ Som

    your a lovely person, you must make your parents proud

  • BK

    “But instead the movie portrays him as an asshole who gets people killed and holds entire countries hostage.”
    WHICH MOVIE DID YOU SEE????
    has ad revenues really died down so much in this website that you feel the need to take ridiculous positions to drive page views???

  • Pa Kent Says Maybe

    Well, then…you’re just not clued in to the theory of relative equivalence.

    Amnesia kiss…stupid. Russell Crowe on a dragon-cricket…stupid. Reversing the Earth’s rotation…stupid. “World Engine” and “Genesis Chamber”…stupid.

    The originals, at least, didn’t have midichlorians…stupid. Kryptonians in your blood cells…stupid as midichlorians.

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    At no point does he really hold the country hostage. You know how everyone has been complaining about the NSA looking at phone calls, Superman doesn’t want the government to spy on his life. He at no point threatens anyone, and actively tries to alleviate fear. He doesn’t get anyone killed, all of that, is on Zod. Zod and his allies killed those people. Superman was fighting them the entire time. Again I don’t get where this is coming from. Superman even saved people before that from shit like school bus crashes and oil rig explosions. And all he gets is beer poured on him at a bar for no reason.

    I can imagine his life being a frustrating waste of his own potential.

  • Plinkett

    He forces America to work with him on his own terms, he gets half of Metropolis killed by just being there, he brings about the extinction of the Kryptonian race by killing the Krypton babies and snapping necks, and he wrecked that poor trucker’s vehicle. I really don’t know what else to call him.

  • zod

    I love this Movie!

  • Plinkett

    Josh, it’s not that you don’t understand, you refuse too.

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    Yeah, I don’t get your position. If Superman hadn’t been there to stop Zod, then everyone on Earth would have died horribly so a new Krypton could live. A Kryptonian race modeled after Zod, the guy willing to holocaust a planet for his own ends.

  • Zodd

    They got it right when they said that it isn’t a Superman movie but a Alien invasion movie.

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    I understand the words you are saying. I acknowledge that events similar to what you said happened, but you are framing them in an alien fashion. I do not agree with you.

  • Mark Bisone

    Is something misspelled?

    Sorry, I’m composing these on a speeding cigarette boat in the South China Sea.

  • Andrew Coleman

    Perhaps, I’ve yet to see the film (and after this review I don’t have much intention of seeing it) so you could be right in this instance.
    But perhaps because it’s “practically a cartoon” is why it should be shakycam, they’re trying to make it as gritty and uncartoony as possibly, their reason for using a pseudo-documentary style could be to counterbalance the unreality of what your seeing with the reality of how it’s shot.
    Much like The Hunger Games, where the costumes were so colourful and ridicules (almost Episode I level silly) they chose to counter balance it by showing them in a very desaturated, cinéma vérité style. Which I personally thought worked.
    Like I said, you could be right about this film but I think Hollywood films are so homogenised, bland and styleless it’s a shame that every time a blockbuster tries something different from the “traditional” shooting style it often gets attacked for it.
    In the case of The Hunger Games, the trailer for the second film seems to have much less of the handheld style of the first and looks like any other glossy blockbuster which is a shame.

  • Pace202

    Lol people are so upset with this movie…

    I know these guys touched on it a bit, but I would of like to seen them talk more about the technical problems this movie had…bad pacing, bad editing, bad dialogue, bad exposition, bad scene transition, bad sound editing, bad lighting, shaky camera….I can keep going here.

  • John Jay

    I agree that the biggest problem with the film was the script and it
    wasn’t just the dialogue. They need someone else to come in and script
    the next film. Perhaps, John Logan (Skyfall, Gladiator and Hugo).

    1) The sacrifice by Jonathan Kent in order to protect the identity of his son felt hollow. This is one of many sequences in the film which was poorly written. Clark was using his abilities left and right before this incident. We know Clark can run
    to speeds in the upwards of 7,200,000 mph. He had a race with The Flash.

    Clark could have easily saved his father within this particular situation without anyone noticing. In the comics, Pa Kent dies from a heart attack (See: Action Comics #870 ). This is a brilliantly written story point. Why? The heart attack signified that even though Clark had amazing gifts, he couldn’t save everyone. He is
    not a god. Some things are not within his power. The whole “world isn’t ready for you” is just babble and hollow.

    2) Instead of Superman luring Zod and his minions to let’s say the Arctic or outer space – Superman battles Zod within Metropolis. It’s not until Zod threatens a family with his “heat vision” (after a 45 minute fight) that Superman makes the decision
    to snap Zod’s neck and putting an end to the destruction. This is despite the fact that because Superman chose to fight in Metropolis – Civilians were already hurt and even killed. This is bad writing. Superman isn’t a killer. This is what is endearing about this character. He’s a symbol of what mankind is supposed to strive
    towards. I’m sure a few people will say, “Oh he did kill someone in the comics.” Yes, and it was quickly retconned especially in Lost Son.

    3. If Clark is going to put glasses on and act like a reporter in this
    universe. A universe that Snyder wants to be “realistic”- it’s hard
    to believe that his fellow workers won’t notice his true identity. So, then why change the traditional Clark and Lois dynamic from the comics? Is Clark going to blog from home?

    The following is a solid breakdown of the film.

    http://moviecitynews.com/2013/06/review-man-of-steel-spoilers/

  • BK

    “He forces America to work with him on his own terms, ”
    he says his contribution to America will be on his terms.. whats wrong with that? it means he wont be doing anything and everything US govt says.
    “he gets half of Metropolis killed by just being there, ” : So you rather have him not do anything.. let the planet die?
    He didnt lead enemies to metropolis.. they were already there..
    “he brings about the extinction of the Kryptonian race by killing the Krypton babies and snapping necks,” #
    : Again with the babies.. have already proved my point on that. He doesnt want krypton at the cost of earth
    “and he wrecked that poor trucker’s vehicle”.
    That shows his weakness. he does give in to his frustration.. his pitfalls. MOS superman isnt a god. You wanted him as u say as jesus… which he is not. At the end of it all. he is an alien learning his way on earth..

  • Plinkett

    Then why the fuck do you keep saying you don’t understand why people dislike this movie? You keep going, “I don’t get your position.” If you understand, than why the fuck are we talking?

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    2) At no point was I left with the idea, “If Superman had lured Zod somewhere else, this wouldn’t have happened.”
    If Clark hadn’t tried to stop Zod in Metropolis, Zod would have just killed more and more humans until Clark showed up to stop him.
    I don’t understand the “lure him away idea”. The bad guys plan was HOLOCAUST, he isn’t going to stop holocaust-ing because the hero wants to fight on the moon.

  • fact!

    Nobody’s making you watch this. FACT!!!

  • Joshua Pelfrey

    Because, like I said before. What you call a “flaw,” I call “a thing that happened”. You are complaining about water being wet, and sand chaffing. I acknowledge that those are things. I just am not complaining about them. Your position, makes no sense to me.

  • Plinkett

    The point you made before that no one agreed with nor cared about? Ok. Everything you liked about this Superman movie essentially is not part of a Superman movie. They should’ve just called it Stupid Strong Alien movie.

  • John Jay

    Superman is supposed to have wit. The first thing they teach you about war is to fight on your own terms. Could he have lured Zod away from Metropolis with the Codex? Could he have played along with Zod and insinuated he wanted to join his side? And, lured him back to the ship, used the phantom drive, and opened a portal to the Phantom Zone? Yes. We already know Nolan wanted Zod to end up back in the Zone.

  • Plinkett

    So you can disagree with something you don’t understand?

  • Mark Bisone

    Hey, that would make a great tagline for this generation’s hypercharged, xxxtreme superdarkman:

    “Faster than a speeding cigarette boat!”

    “More powerful than an angry retard!”

    “Able to destroy tall building in a single punch!”

    “It’s SUPERMAN!”

  • BK

    Going by that logic..
    why call batman as batman movies.. call it a man with mask taking out criminals..
    Call star trek.. as people going out somewhere up above..
    Call Half in the bag as 3 idiots rambling shit and doing a ridiculous VCR skit that NO ONE FINDS funny and people just fast fwd it through.
    think you should just stick to your forte which is star trek and star wars.. beyond that most of the other reviews are just plain mediocre.. pretty much substantated by the above review.
    Just screaming it as a stupid movie..doesnt make it so..

  • Plinkett

    I like how you think I’m actually a part of this website. I’m just another internet dude like you.

  • L

    i think jp was talking about the text on the macro…

  • Gerard Silverman

    I can’t believe people glorify that thing called Avengers and throw shit on Man of Steel I mean wtf ……… yeah a city being destroyed is basically what would happen if aliens trying to destroy a world came to earth …… and not fly around on alien bikes but that is besides the point, nitpicking is the only criticism that people have of this film so go suck of the avengers juicy fanboyish cock for all I care . Man of steel was awesome

  • Sully

    Nail. Head. ^This guy.

  • spinachleaf

    God knows what your world is like but we’re not all molesters and rapists.

  • Naes

    Avengers had good dialogue and interesting characters. MOS did not.

  • SmarterThanYou

    It’s fun watching Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan dick suckers trying to say that this piece of crap of a movie is not bad. Good job you comic book reading idiots.

  • Naes

    The fact that Superman is also super smart is often lost on writers.

  • Trollsmiter

    “Sorry, but after watching the video, bile was what came forth. ”

    “I seemed unable to contain my disdain.”

    Maybe you’re an overreacting, unpleasant jerk then. It’s a film review. Calm down. If only people got so wound up about human rights, poverty and hunger.

  • Naes

    David Goyer wrote the script. Nolan was a producer. Look up what a producer actually does.

  • Naes

    It is cute you are personally offended that someone doesn’t like a film you had no part in creating.

  • mk741

    With Man of Steel’s obnoxious product placement, I’m surprised you guys didn’t go see The Internship.

    It quite literally is the new Mac n’ Me (except replace McDonalds with Google).

  • Jack

    Ha ha, do you think that you’re talking to Mike himself or something?

  • Guest

    Umm, wait a minute didn’t The Avengers go out of its way to show the team actively trying to save lives? They formulated a plan to contain the fight to a few blocks, they pulled people out of a trapped bus, they coordinated with police and fire crews to evacuate people, Captain America wentto the rescue of a bunch of people and The Hulk stopped a leviathan form crushing through a building. In other words whats your fucking point? Superman actively contributed to the destruction and only once was shown to give a shit about the loss of life.

  • SmarterThanYou

    Suddenly, Nolan is unimportant. Remember back before this movie came out, and people thought this movie wasn’t going to suck? Everybody was saying that this was going to be another great movie because Christopher Nolan was involved with it. Now that we see that it sucked horribly, the same people who were trying to say it was going to be great because Christopher Nolan was producing it are now saying, “oh…. he did have much to do with the movie really, you should just ignore that his name is even on it….” Good job you Nolan dick suckers.

  • Naes

    It’s that you have no idea what a producer does and clearly have an ax to grind against someone much more talented and successful than you will ever be. You also ignore the fact that Mike and Jay like every movie Nolan has directed.

  • Brendan

    Wasn’t meant for you. So whatever.

  • Sully

    Producers do more than you think, including editing/final cut, and Nolan also helped formulate the story.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_wr#writers

  • Nick

    “Producers don’t micromanage writers or directors.”
    Do you work in the business? Producers micromanage everything. Goyer gets “sole writing credit”, but every character, plot point, scene and line of dialog is vetted by the producers. In this case, Snyder is one of his own producers, so I’m inclined to believe he’s responsible for every frame of this movie, good or bad.

  • Naes

    Witty retort, Creepy. Well played.

  • Semantics

    You raise some good points about the script, but I have to disagree with you on a couple of them. The first point, about Jonathan Kent’s sacrifice, I agree and disagree. I agree that in the past, having Jonathan die of a heart attack is a rather poignant point about the limitations of personal power and coping with loss, but I also think that this new version is trying to suggest something other than these things, so the comparison is not entirely fair. When I watched MoS, I thought Jon Kent’s death scene was very moving. Not because Superman was unable to do anything to save him, but because his father was so committed to his belief that his son couldn’t afford to reveal himself that he died for it. I think more is happening here than a simple statement about the limitations of Kal-El’s powers. I think they were trying to show that yes, he could have saved him, but he chose not to at the urging of his father. To me, that’s one hell of an emotional statement, and demonstrates not just uncertainty and humanity in the character of Kal-El, but also that his choices always have consequences. It’s a moral dilemma, rather than merely a statement about mortality or personal limitations. These limitations are self imposed, and the commitment to them is personal and meaningful.

    As well, I disagree with the idea that somehow Superman was in control of where Zod initiated his attack. A few people have brought up the idea that “Superman should have led Zod away from the city, and because he didn’t, he’s either an idiot or doesn’t care about the thousands of people who died as a result.” Was it ever established that Zod was chasing Superman in order to begin terraforming the planet? Was it established that he somehow needed Superman to begin that process? I know he needed the codex to begin the Kryptonian breeding program again, but that doesn’t really have anything to do with the terraforming process, and he even went off to collect the seed ship, pretty much ignoring what Superman was doing to begin with.

    Superman had did not have the luxury of choosing the time or place of the battle, and while it sucks that Metropolis was devastated by Zod’s ship, I never got the sense that he was interested in chasing down Superman until he was finished altering the planet. Consider also that Zod is supposedly a great military strategist and has had decades, if not hundreds of years of experience in such matters over Kal-El. Sure, Superman is also meant to be Super Smart, but Zod isn’t a fool, and I’m sure he’s well aware of how advantageous it is to make your enemy come to you.

    What people overlook, but seems a more obvious oversight to me, is that there’s no real reason why Zod and Superman couldn’t have coexisted peacefully. Zod could have taken all three ships to Mars, and terraformed that planet into a new Krypton. Superman could have taken a short holiday and gone with them, and with his help and the Codex, bam, Krypton and it’s people live again. The conceit of the movie is that Zod simply didn’t care about Earth or it’s inhabitants. It didn’t even occur to him (apparently) that there was any need to choose a different planet. He was here, and all his resources where here, so why bother going anywhere else?

    That to me seems far more complaint worthy than trying to argue that Superman made poor choices. All that argument really underscores is that he’s not perfect, which is a fairly common complaint among people who don’t like the character to begin with (in that he’s too perfect so he’s uninteresting).

    As well, Superman didn’t kill Zod because he was threatening a family. He killed him because he said that not only was he going to kill everyone on the planet, he was going to do it slowly, and mercilessly, just to spite Superman. He was going to avenge the death of his race by wiping out Kal-El’s adopted people. He killed him because Zod swore that he’d never stop. What else was he going to do with him? He’s literally another “Superman”. It’s not like anyone else was going to stop him, and it’s not like there was any reasonable way to restrain him.

    You make some good points, and I can see why these issues bother a lot of commenters, but I think these points are also easily justified in the context of the movie. Objecting to them is fine, and not liking them is a matter of personal preference, but I also think it’s a little unfair to judge them so harshly without first considering the alternative views.

    Just my two cents.

  • Semantics

    Well, the movies are completely different so it’s not really a good comparison. Personally, I loved both movies, but for different reasons. I don’t think magically sticking RDJ in MoS would have somehow made it better, rather it probably would have felt incredibly out of place. Likewise, the moral equivalent of Superman in the Marvel universe (Captain America) would have been very out of place in the Avengers if the character had be scripted the same way Superman was in Man of Steel.

    I found the characters in MoS very interesting though, so I disagree with you. But they were certainly very different from those of the Avengers, so I can appreciate liking one and not the other.

  • Pete

    I’d just like to say that not all comic book readers will automatically deem a movie like this to be ‘awesome’ and ‘epic’ and that most of us want the characters that we love to be done justice.

  • BedWetterMedia

    I suppose that’s what I guess for trying to appease. All I did was type a comment on a website, I hardly did anything monstrous. Maybe it’s not me that needs to calm down. You’re defending these guys as if they’re your personal friends. Quit with the melodrama

    Are you the same polomint? Because there seems to be about 5 polos in this comments section, all with different opinions. Or are you just one schizophrenic guy?

  • SmarterThanYou

    Oh, I have plenty of knowledge on what a producer was. Steven Spielberg is an example of a great producer. Jerry Bruckheimer is an example of a successful producer who makes often times bad movies. It’s the Christopher Nolan fans who don’t know what a producer does. Before this movie came out, they were all saying that he was going to make it into the greatest movie ever made. Now that’s it’s a garbage movie, all these people are saying, “Well, he didn’t have much to do with this movie.”

    Had this movie been what idiots like you thought it was going to be, you’d all be praising it as part of Nolan’s genius. Since it turned out to be shit, you’re trying to keep him as far away from it as possible. Good job you Nolan dick sucker.

  • vsion

    You sure told me.

  • FUCKBOT 5000

    Are you nuts? I would gladly see a half hour show about the hard working men of Lighting Fast VCR repair shop. I fast fwd the stupid reviews…

  • Pace202

    ….I dont think you know what a producer does.

  • SmarterThanYou

    No. Most of you comic book fans are retarded idiots who would like a piece of crap movie like this. This is the kind of garbage all comic book fans like. This is the kind of garbage all comic book fans want.

  • antwerp

    Thanks for the episode, enjoyed it!

  • SmarterThanYou

    You are the perfect example of a Nolan dick sucker. Since the movie sucked, here you are looking for other things to try to say it’s good. Oh, the costumes are really good. The special effects are good. These are all things you wouldn’t give a shit about or mention had the most important things been good. Since this movie got the writing, directing, and the entire script wrong, you’re trying to say, “but the costumes look good.” You’re not even doing a decent job at hiding people from seeing Nolan’s dick in your mouth.

  • Donni

    Society is falling apart. Freedom is disappearing everywhere, for everyone. Even the basis for all human civilization is being destroyed… what happened to family, honest hard-working men and the freedom to be who you want to be? Man of Steel deals with all of these things in a typically apparent allegorical fashion. This new Superman is not “superman”, he is simply the embodiment of man; honest, loving and incredibly caring. The man that is being systematically destroyed by our society.

    This movie is about what is needed to save society. And it is man. It is everything we have been teaching our children for the past 3 generations that they should not embody.

  • Semantics

    How do you figure?

  • SmarterThanYou

    So, any movie that is badly made and made by a talentless director who doesn’t know how to make a movie and gets treated like a movie that is like that, suddenly means that the people should get treated like that too? So, you have to treat every movie like it’s an absolute work of genius, otherwise, you must be treated poorly? Even if the movie is a piece of shit made to make a quick buck? Wow… Good job at being a Nolan dick sucking piece of shit, you Nolan dick sucking piece of shit.

  • Semantics

    A little esoteric, but a very interesting interpretation of the film.

  • SmarterThanYou

    Sorry, but after reading your comments, bile was what came forth. Why? Because it’s what you deserve you disgusting Nolan dick sucking asshole. Good job at being that, you pathetic piece of shit.

  • SmarterThanYou

    I’m not trolling either. Actually, I’m not stating an opinion either. I’ve been stating facts about you.

  • Michelle

    How are Mike and Jay biased towards Marvel? They frequently voice their mocking dislike for the Spiderman movies and their TDKR review was their most positive comic-book movie review yet. CASE CLOSED.

    My opinions sometimes differ from Mike and Jay’s, but I don’t get my panties in a knot about it.

    I just wish there were less comic-book movies in general (as they are nearly all reboots with movies less than ten or so years old), especially if they’re going to be virtually the same plot and basic script EVERY damn time. Hero origin story and villain set up/origin story, hero hones his powers, then SAVE THE WORLD from world destroying weapon and/or from terror plot that’s supposed to remind us of 9/11 (fuck you, writers), then an end of the movie kiss (no tongue) with the underwritten, pretty but approachable, (white) girl.

    People confuse “edginess” for being dark because it deviates from old Superman movies or Spiderman movies or whatever. Being edgy is about taking risks and making points that may be uncommon or unpopular. “Dark” has proven to be an effective movie money-maker. Removing patriotism (e.g. Captain America), being politically correct to blandness and unreality, and saying terrorism is bad are also not risky, provocative, “edgy” choices.

    These movies feel like I’m eating processed cheese sandwiches because everyone is scared to try out a cheese in the fancy cheese aisle of the store.

  • Bob

    He embodies the American narcissist who sees war as a videogame and kills civilians like they were ants.

  • SmarterThanYou

    Are you just another Nolan dick sucker who kisses up to anything with Nolan’s name on it? Did you just ignore all the problems with the plot and story that they mention? Did you just ignore all the problems they mention with the characters? Are you just a complete fucking idiot?

  • SmarterThanYou

    Yes, you are. You pathetic, comic book reading piece of shit.

  • BedWetterMedia

    You’ve got to be joking! You’re really viewing this film in a warped way. How exactly does he ‘force’ America to do anything? What babies are you on about? It was a Genesis Chamber but there weren’t necessarily living babies in it. It had been there for 18,000 years so it’s very unlikely there were any living infants. That’s an assumption you are making, like you’re going out of your way and making stuff up just to hate on the film.

    “he wrecked that poor trucker’s vehicle” – you’ve got to be trolling with this statement. That ass-grabbing prick of a trucker deserved what he got. So did Zod for that matter. Superman saves the world, what more do you want?

  • Bob

    This version of Superman is just a nuclear bomb in a gay costume. It’s barely one step above Transformers.

  • Semantics

    How so?

  • Michelle

    This is going to sound terrible, and DC will launch their lawyers on me, maybe, but if they wanted a dark Superman, GO ALL OUT. I would have had teenage Clark accidentally fornicate a woman to death. Thats how he learns of his real background. And all because his parent never talked to him about sex (BOOM, criticism for abstinence only education). Who’s edgy now, betches?

  • BedWetterMedia

    You have some sort of dick fetish don’t you? Why else bring it up so much? Listen, I didn’t say anything about the costume being good, I was referring to the lack of any mention of it in this “review.” As a matter of fact I think Nolan is overrated and his Batman trilogy is very flawed. So maybe you should think before you speak, but that’s probably asking too much of you. Perhaps just try not speaking, there’s a good chap

  • SmarterThanYou

    Because you guys keep going to see them. You guys are the reasons these movies exist, and why these movies are being made. I’ve hung around you disgusting comic book fans before. All you ever wanted was to watch comic book movies. All you ever wanted to talk about was comic books. That’s all you care about. For fuck sake. It’s 2013, and all you guys are still ever talking about is the Dark Knight. The rest of the world has moved on, but you fucktards are still living in 2008. That’s how I figure. I figure because I’ve seen you retards do it.

  • Michelle

    You see it as pretty much just Dostoevsky’s “The Idiot” or another modern Christ- figure in a cape? That could have been very interesting if handled well.

  • Jeff

    Best Half in the Bag review ever!

  • Semantics

    I personally haven’t read a comic book since I was fifteen, but even still, I’m not quite sure what that has to do with the legitimacy of my opinion on a movie, which (and I’m going out on a limb here) I’m assuming you don’t even know.

    Incidentally, if you assume movie are a business, and about making money, then your reasoning suggests that the opinions of “you guys” is popular enough to fund multiple big budget movies. If so, again, I’m curious as to how that devalues the opinions of that group of people.

    Because you do not like a movie does not make it a bad movie. I personally do not care for Citizen Kane, but openly acknowledge the significance of the film and its accomplishments. Why is your personal opinion regarding Man of Steel more legitimate than anyone else’s?

  • BedWetterMedia

    Good grief, you really are an intellectual cul-de-sac aren’t you?! And there you go with the dick thing again. I think you need to talk to someone. Suppressing your urges can be harmful.

    What I was getting at is the poor quality of the review because all they do is mock and take the piss without really saying why and what they don’t like. So in turn I took the piss and mocked the so-called reviewers. It was an overreaction on my part but I still think if you want to review a movie you need to come up with some valid points amidst the frat boy joviality.
    I really don’t know why I even bother explaining myself to someone obsessed with Chris Nolan’s manhood……….

  • SmarterThanYou

    They did explain why they didn’t like the movie, you fuck up. Just because you’re a typical comic book fan who is too stupid to understand anything doesn’t mean they didn’t. Just getting Nolan’s dick out of your mouth and think for once. Oh, and don’t stick it in your ass. Just keep it out of you in general, you useless, Nolan dick sucking piece of shit.

  • Pete

    Well, I’m a comic book fan and this is not the movie that I would want personally.

    Naturally, I’m sure a great many others would feel the same.

  • BedWetterMedia

    No surprise, the penis fetish continues. It’s now a trilogy. My favourite little stalker strikes gain, stamping his feet and shouting inane rubbish. Can’t you at least say something original? Something that’s not straight out of a troll’s mouth. All I see is a dull witted, wannabe tough guy. Grow up!

  • Pete

    Really? There was me thinking that the masses loved them and they are the reasons that they’re so popular. Not a small, niche audience like comic book fans. Silly me.

  • SmarterThanYou

    You read a comic book. You are an idiot. Simple as that, and that’s a fact, not an opinion. Why? Because you’d have to be an idiot to look at one. What does that have to do with the legitimacy of an opinion? When you’re stupid enough to look at a comic book, anything you say on anything is illegitimate. You’re too stupid to consider on anything.

    I’m not assuming that movies are made just to make money. I’m assuming movies are made to be made. I’m not that retard that judges the quality of a movie based on it’s box office. I’m not a retarded comic book reader like you. How does it devalue the opinion of that group? The group devalues its own opinion by being stupid.

    You’re right about a movie not being bad because I don’t like it. The movie is bad because it’s badly made. Simple as that. My personal opinion isn’t better than everyone else’s, but it is certainly more legitimate than a comic book fans because comic book fans are too stupid to have an opinion on anything.

  • SmarterThanYou

    Nope. You have a dick fetish. If you were paying attention, you would see Nolan’s dick always inside you because you are a Nolan dick sucker. You’re going to pretend you’re not to make yourself look better, but all retards like you like to pretend you’re not. So, do the world a favor and stop sucking on that dick, you disgusting, pathetic, useless, Nolan dick sucking piece of fucking dog shit.

  • Semantics

    Ah, you’re being sarcastic. Got it. You may proceed.

  • SmarterThanYou

    Unfortunately, they’re not a small, niche anymore. They’ve become the masses and they’re taking over the film industry. That’s why these shitty movies exist. The masses are too smart for them, hence, why non comic book movies are disappearing. The masses don’t go to movies anymore, because more and more crap like the Man of Steel keep coming out. All that’s left are you stupid comic book readers who will go see this movie about 10 times in the theatre in an attempt to make it successful. Stop being a retard that watches shitty movies like this, you retarded that watches shitty movies like this.

  • SmarterThanYou

    Nope. I’m simply stating facts about you. Good to see that you admit to it, and are now just saying that somebody else is being sarcastic so that you don’t have to do anything. Good job you Nolan dick sucker.

  • Preston Sumner

    Zod wanted Lois on the ship so they could scan her mind for information on the location of the codex. After Lois escaped, Zod went to Kent farm looking for the ship Superman arrived to Earth in.

  • BedWetterMedia

    As amusing as you are, this is the last snack you’re getting from me troll boy. Seriously, the Nolan thing is just weird. You’re boring me now. So run along now and find someone else to pay attention to you. I’m done

  • RLM

    Actually only in the last 3 generations have some people actually started embodying the true values that might save our world; a realization that MAN is not better or greater than any other form of life on this planet, but is arguably the source of all evil on this planet; not since the age of Paganism have humans begun to finally accept that we must live in perfect symbiosis and balance with the rest of nature or we all die, because we rely on clean air and clean food, not cars and computers, to live and breath, that the Christian mentality is one of chaos, destruction, and ego; that we keep pumping out children on a planet with FINITE resources that are already in the verge of disappearing. Modern Christianity is arguably Satanism in disguise because it is about the worship of a god of Chaos: the y worship a god who Created everything but refuses to acknowledge that that God too must have been created by something. Superman exemplifies that: We don’t need a great being that is going to save any more humans who are dedicated to raping the world we all depend on for survival, that is like saving people who are suicidal and murderous on a long-term basis. We need a great mind who can find a way to help 7 billion people coexist peacefully with nature and be good stewards to the world. How interesting that the genius scientist is almost always the villain in these super ‘hero’ films. hmmmmmmmmmmm…….

  • Semantics

    You bring up the point about Superman being a refutation of the idea that “absolute power corrupts absolutely” but then go on to say he should have been trying to kill Zod from the beginning.

    The power to take a life is not the justification of doing so, and I do not see Superman’s initial hesitation, even in the face of so much death, as anything more than adhering to the principle that he is not a person drunk on his own power. If he had just coldly sought to kill Zod from the get go, it would have saved lives, to be sure. But that sort of cold calculus is farther from the ideal Superman represents than the one portrayed in the movie.

    Something I’ve always found odd, and seems more apparent in these many comments, is that people have a tendency to overlook the consequences of collateral damage in all Super Hero movies. Only now, in Man of Steel, does it suddenly become an issue. We never really saw Civilians dying by the hundreds in the Avengers, but do you really think no one died? Likewise, in the Brandon Roth Superman Returns, a violent tectonic event is literally ripping apart the sea floor, all the way up to the coast of Metropolis. Do you really think melting some falling glass, stopping an explosion, and catching the Daily Planet’s globe saved everyone? That was an hugely severe Earthquake. People died. Probably hundreds of people. But we never saw it so the implication is that it didn’t happen.

    Stories are all about perspective and the message you want to get across. Man of Steel was a darker perspective on a story we’re all familiar with, but it was the same story. For all its faults and all its success, Man of Steel places Superman in a very real, though tragic, situation and does not give its audience the benefit of being able to write off the consequences of his decisions.

    I think it’s a step in the right direction myself, though obviously not everyone agrees.

  • LC

    There’s no conceivable reason why Zod would think Lois had any idea where the codex was.

  • Pixelsmack

    they even admit it could have been a Hulk film! They’re just pissed off, as most critics are, that it didn’t stick to the corny and silly 80s interpretation let alone the decades of silly comics version of Supes. This new angry, ass kicking, Superman was awesome. The RT score shows that the movie going public has spoken.

  • Semantics

    Symbiosis and balance with nature is neither new, nor revolutionary. I recommend investigating Buddhism and Eastern philosophy in general. Also I’m not really certain of your interpretation of Christianity. Can you elaborate?

    Also, the hero you are describing is Captain Planet, not Superman. They embody different, though sometimes sympathetic, moral messages.

  • Wombat

    Heh, you’ve read P.K. Dick’s “Valis” haven’t you? (Now that’s a book worth making into a movie…although probably too smart for the masses.)

  • unmutual76

    And why wasn’t Lois on television or internet stream, explaining the details to a very shocked and traumatized public what was going on and who was responsible? She literally had the inside on every aspect of the breaking story. She even could have worked with that guy she leaked the story to..make a fun newsroom sub story to get the audience to care about the people at the Daily Planet.

  • Semantics

    I thought it was odd too, but my take on it was that she was the only Civilian human present when they came for Superman, so it stood to reason they took her hostage.

    Consider that, as an alien, once they took Superman off the planet, Humanity had no reason to simply not try and Nuke their ship while it was in orbit. It’s still a tenuous justification, but even without it, I just kinda gave it a pass when watching.

    I mean, a big complaint seems to be that people wanted Superman to keep on doing his quipie comments from the Richard Donner movies, but to me those seem more outrageous than the issue with Lois. I mean, at least this furthers the plot, even if not well. The quips are just self-serving and not much more.

  • Semantics

    An inaccurate sentiment. All people are curious and interested in learning. We’re practically programmed to be. What people don’t like is being bored or talked down to.

    If something is “too smart” or “too complex” to be conveyed simply, then it probably is not as clever or insightful as you assume it is.

  • SmarterThanYou

    I’m not looking for a snack. I’m just stating the truth about your snack. Stop licking on Nolan’s dick for a second, you brainless Nolan dick sucker and grow a brain. It would do the world a whole favor.

    Thank you for admitting that you are an idiot, though. Glad to see that. Hopefully now, you won’t spout your idiocy elsewhere. If you don’t have the balls (no, not Nolan’s balls – your balls) to stand up for something, then don’t mention it. Stop being a little bitch, and a little Nolan dick sucker, you little bitch, Nolan dick sucker.

  • RLM

    I’m talking about using those belief systems as a basis for action and decision-making. Not in centuries have the cultures which profess to be Buddhist actually had any interest in those aspects of their religion, just like Christianity, which also occasionally preaches being a good stewart to the planet. The only religion that makes these issues front and center, not hidden behind the ego of the self and the soul, and the idea that one should only do good for the sake of reward on some level (which includes to Buddhism to a degree) is the one that is not a religion at all: Taosim.

  • RLM

    And by being good ‘stewart’s to the planet, I of course mean we should be good ‘kristen stewart’s to the planet, yeah, kristen stewart is totally who we should all embody, she’s awesome, totally not another idiot pissing away those finite resources of ours, since twilight is so kewwwl.

  • Semantics

    If you believe that is true, then you have studied neither Zen Buddhism nor eastern culture enough. You are judging this issues from a Western perspective to begin with, as you’re defining the self as necessarily distinct. Eastern culture, traditionally, does not. Buddhism and Taoism are very similar, and at its roots, Buddhism is more a system of beliefs, like Taoism, rather than a religion.

    You should consider though, that the planet was here before us, and suffered far greater calamities than we can impose upon it, and has gotten along just fine regardless. The planet neither needs our help, nor cares about our needs. It is what it is, and the point of both Buddhist and Taoist perspectives is not the preservation of the planet for it’s own sake, but the acceptance of our place in that system, and the recognition of what that means.

    In Buddhism, the mind and body are not separate entities, and just so, neither are the individual and nature. They are what they are, and they exist together. A person is the world and people around them, the individual does not exist without those things. But this perspective is not a call to action, and it never has been. If you embody this view, then you need no call to action because you’re worldview has changed significantly.

    Again, if this is a subject you are genuinely interested in, I highly recommend studying more Eastern Philosophy, not just Taoism or Buddhism.

  • Day_is_Over

    The news revealed that she knew who the alien was. Zod figured she probably knew more about him than any other human because she was hiding his identity. Thus why she’s on the ship being probed.

  • RLM

    I’m currenty judging belief systems, as I said earlier, only by the actions of their followers, not by what their ‘prophet’ put down on paper (or how their prophets followers interpreted their holiness). Taoism has no prophet and every Taoist knows that anyone who writes poetry based on observation could contribute to their ‘bible’, Tao Te Ching, and there’s no prophet in Taoism, did I mention that? When I mentioned Buddhism still in some small ways plays the “goodness for rewards” game, I was talking about one small pesky part of Buddhism that can be summed up in one word, ready? here it is: reincarnation. :)

  • Semantics

    Do you understand what the Buddhist version of reincarnation is, or are you assuming its like Hinduism, or some Western equivalent?

  • RLM

    just basing it on how the majority of its followers I have observed tend to interpret it. Hey, I LIKE Buddhism, not trying to piss on Buddhism here! lol, who the hell would do that? I’m just saying its followers ‘these days’ act like they never even read the teachings its based on.

  • Memoman

    This movie was so baffling, that it kinda asks for a Plinkett review. I adore the technical dissection done by Plinkett, but also the narrative deconstruction of its elements, to me it’s so enriching. It embiggens both my knowledge and love for storytelling.

    I also really like having Rich Evans as a special guest for these superhero movies. He really contributes with good critical points and much appreciated comicbook fan context to the discussion.

    He also sometimes drops videogame references, which remind me of Gamestation episodes; Which were great. Maybe those were too big to produce, but you could bring back the series a bit more succinctly. Just a discussion about videogames.

    I don’t have particular allegiances or hatred towards filmmakers or corporations, I really like discussing movies and videogames based on the quality of the product itself, something which is really hard to find. On top of it Red Letter Media adds a layer of its amazing brand of humour, which I just love.

    Thank you for staying true to your convictions and sticking to your criteria above the whole whirlwind of meatheadedness.

  • RLM

    He should also accidentally murder someone durring a football game by throwing a football through their head, and the whole town covers it up so they don’t loose their reputation as ‘football city, usa!”

  • Wombat

    Curiosity and interest does not equate to intelligence. You can be a curious stupid person–which is a major contributor to the Darwin Awards.

  • Semantics

    The same can be said for everyone but the strictest of the philosophical adherents. I’m not trying to take shots at you either, I just thought that, since it seemed like something you were passionate about, you would be interested in learning more about the subject, so I was suggesting an area to investigate.

    That said, also consider that if Christians put actions to the literal teachings of the Bible, things would not be very pretty.

    I guess my point is that you’re confusing religion with morality, and while one tends to inform the other, they are not the same thing. I do agree that stories about our heroes, just as the myths of old, serve as a means to both challenge and reinforce our cultural identity. We identify with the heroes of our stories, and for one reason or another we want to be them. And that’s not a bad thing because stories can teach us a great deal about who we are and what we want to be. But remember that culture is an ever shifting, always evolving system, and it is hardly fair to judge the individual for not living up to the ideals of a culture’s beliefs, even if they are a strong supporter of that culture.

    We are not our ideals, and we never can be. To that end, you are right to suggest that we should always be striving towards our ideals, and that maybe the ideals we hold today are the wrong ones. But sweeping generalizations grossly oversimplify the problems we face, and paint too sharp a picture of morality than is realistic.

    You are advocating a position of taking action, but the problems you wish to solve are both vast and complex, and involve a great deal more than a simple decision to do something. Culture must shift for things to change, for either better or worse, but rapid changes are as destructive as they can be beneficial, so generally change comes slowly.

    Again, not an attack, just offering my perspective. You are not wrong, but the problem is bigger than you are suggesting.

  • Semantics

    I did not suggest that curiosity and interest makes people intelligent, though I do think they are necessary components. But neither does complexity nor obscurity equate to intelligence.

    I was merely suggesting that the individual, more often than not, is always interested in learning, and that intelligence is more about simplicity than it is complexity. I did not suggest, nor do I believe, that people are always interested in the same things. This tangential conversation is a good example of that.

  • vitalemrecords

    I think you’re giving Zack Znyder too much credit. He’s much more of a “all humans must die” kind of a thinker.

  • Patricks

    You guys did right by your review. Said the same thing on Joblo and got voted down for it. Good job guys

  • Wombat

    Never even mentioned “complexity and obscurity,” only that “Valis” is a smart book–a book that you’ve obviously not read. In fact,

    I’m not even sure why you’re replying to me, other than your perceived offense at the “too smart for the masses” line. In which case, just say you didn’t like what I said. I can live with that.

  • capitandelespacio

    It’s ok. Kisses.

  • bluehawk222

    1.) You are talking about Superman at his peak power when in the tornado scene he was 17 and still didn’t know how to fly. Clark did use his abilities, as a kid. And people were easy to dismiss it because hey kids make up wacky stories. If Clark went to save his father then everyone would see and talk about it.

    2.)How would Superman lure Zod? And he can’t also just grab him and take him to the arctic as well.

    3.)Many of his fellow workers probably barely know what Supes looks like plus they are just going to figure why would a super powered being still disguise himself as a human

    And that article you linked to is poorly written and most of his gripes can be answered if you paid attention to the movie

  • Semantics

    I didn’t mean to suggest I found your statement offensive, I just find the subject interesting so I began commenting on it. I apologize if I was antagonizing, and I’ll leave off. Have a good day!

  • RLM

    …I can’t respond to that, it’s a good point, well said my good sir. Fingers crossed we have enough time to make the change gradually because I agree its just logic that that is the only way to make a lasting, positive change, but man it is baaaad out there. I often feel there are already different subspecies of humans, I certainly aint the same species as whatever those obese, muffin-face-stuffing religious fanatics are. I’m going off topic here, cause that last one seemed to end the topic, but since change comes gradually, I’m weening myself out….

  • bluehawk222

    There weren’t unborn children. There were empty pods with the potential of creating more Kryptonians. The rest of Zod’s army are still alive in the Phantom Zone. Krypton was gone, Kryptonians were gone. They made their mistakes and suffered for it. There was no coming back for them at all. It’s not genocidal. He’s not actively killing millions and billions of Kryptonians that are alive. Jeez

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  • Ass Hat

    You’re absolutely right. What happens when young Kal-El loses his nerve? Like the bully scene (we all knew there would be one, of course). If he would have hit that punk…or even have pushed him…

    Years down the road when he’s working in that bar and backs down from a fight…he still wraps that douche’s truck around a fucking pole. Not very subtle…

  • Mike Jakermen

    Actually he dose got a point. I remember hearing how great this was going to be because of Nolan. Its not like a producer is on Set everyday telling the director what to do.

  • Ass Hat

    Yeah he liked it…for like a day…

  • Preston Sumner

    Her news story was leaked, remember? Even the FBI came after her.

  • bluehawk222

    Honestly there’s a bit of a hypocrisy with Mike in regards to Lois. She’s at all these places because she’s Lois Lane and destined to be with Superman. Does it make sense for her to be everywhere? Not really. But hey if I recall during the 09 Star Trek review Mike basically used the destiny argument to wave aside a lot of plot problems like Old Spock meeting young Kirk and all that.

  • Naes

    Their negative review was not centered on Lois’s coincidences. They could let such things slide in a better movie. MOS was not a better movie. Therefore said coincidences do not get a pass.

  • Pete

    Yeah… I don’t think I’ll talk to you anymore. You’re far too adolescent for me.

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  • Naes

    How can say that about the director of Blade 3?! Nevermind. I’ll see myself out.

  • Sidioni