Episode 44 of Half in the Bag was just too goddamn long. Here’s some stuff that got cut.
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When’s the next Plinkett review?
Too much too soon, why so many videos so quickly, the wait is gonna be more pain now
Glad I’m not the only one that didn’t like Ted.
Couldn’t agree more about “Jackie Brown”. Recalled not liking it back in in ’97, then rewatched it recently and felt embarrassed for my past self. Then cried after realizing that I’m still the same fat, ugly, hollow person.
So if I don’t like “Family Guy” chances are I won’t like “Ted” either?
I actually did not even mind how short this was, I just wish he was able to continue his point of pop culture references not being jokes, even though that’s the point…
I’m driving through Wisconsin tomorrow…what New Glarus beer should I acquire besides Spotted Cow? Help fellow alcoholic internet dwellers!
All Tarantino movies have been homage films, even Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. But those films were a little grittier a bit more indie. Tarantino is now big hollywood shlocky throw away with big budget crap thrown everywhere. I haven’t seen the latest, and I will see it, but I am disappointed with where he has gone to. He just seems to be about using filmmaking to scratch the itch he has had since being a kid, wishing he could make the films he used to watch over and over. Now he seems to be going back to remake and pay homage to all those films. I am waiting for him to get it out of his system, check off all the homage films off his list, and finally make something bit more indie and low down with innovative storytelling and dialog.
I’ve gotta find a way to get a 6 pack of Spotted Cow down here to Texas. I’ve been wondering what it’s like ever since I started watching Half in the Bag.
Holy shit, Mike laughed at something Jay said.
I am a huge Family Guy fan, and did not liked Ted very much. Different things…
Also starring Rich Evans? He was nowhere to be found you hacks! WHERE’S THE BODY
was mike’s sudden interest in the party favors to distract from a possibly divisive discussion about seth “macaroni” macfarlane?
Kill Bill is a movie that got me into filmaking.
It got me into spaghetti western, samurai cinema, anime, yakuza cinema and 1970’s Grindhouse culture.
I think Tarantino has created a culture of “genre-mashing” where he breaks conventions and limitations in cinemas so that he could do shit he wants to do.
And i don’t care if he “steals” from other movies. If the stealing helps him make good films, then i’m okay with it.
Well, I hate Family Guy but I enjoyed Ted. Works that way too.
You guys are top of the game! And the game is “Have a strong ending”.
If they’re still making the Hometown Blonde, that stuff is fabulous.
When is Space Cop coming out?
Or to point out how their own style of comedy isn’t much higher on the food chain.
Thanks for keeping me from watching Ted by reminding me that Seth MacFarlane is behind Family Guy.
Seriously, you guys need to stop cutting footage from your show. I could watch for hours… HOURS!
Mike squeezing the party favors at the end made me laugh more than the entirety of Ted.
Jackie Brown is my favorite Tarantino movie too. I love Robert Forster’s performance as Max Cherry. He’s easily one of the most underrated actors around.
I’ll never get the Tarantino fanboyism. I don’t hate Tarantino, there’s just no clothes on him. Best movie: Reservoir Dogs. Completely ripped off and written with another writer. Then Pulp Fiction, which was … okay (once the novelty factor wears off, it’s a terrible narrative). Again, written with another writer. After that … meh. “KIll Bill” was half Yuen Woo Ping movie and half crap Tarantino dialog. “Basterds” was all crap Tarantino dialog. And “Django” … ugh. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Avery is a good writer either (“Silent Hill” anyone?) but obviously their partnership worked, as did stealing. Both suck on their own. Tarantino may be passionate and all that, but he no longer makes good movies.
Jackie Brown was the movie that got me interested in QT’s movies. I still don’t understand why so many people don’t like it. It’s probably because there is too little violence in it.
So It ends on a high Note
common man, they just did one …
Why doesn’t Mike want Jay to say the Family Guy sucks? Is he afraid of alienating audience members who actually think that crap is funny? Panderers!
That said, I’m a bit sick of hearing what movies Tarantino should be making. He’s a master filmmaker at the top of his game, successful enough to do whatever the fuck he wants. Enjoy it while it lasts! (And place your bets on the next genre. ’20s gansters? Super spy? ’80s cartoon adaptation?)
Thumbs up to that
An episode of Half in the Bag that was too long? DOESN’T EXIST!
I hate to bring this up on any real life conversations since there’s always somebody to nail me to the wall, but I really and very sincerely fucking hated Ted. I went in with an open mind and a highly positive review by Ebert. As far I I’m concerned, it’s worse than family guy.
And I saw Jackie Brown once when I was 11 years old or something, thought it was really boring. Now after 11 years might be a good time to give that movie another eyeful.
yay! I had actually thought that the recap had been too short in the previous episode!
Haters gonna hate
I hope he does a space western like Coyboy Bebop, crazy space violence, in SPACE or maybe a romantic comedy where they all die in a fire at the end.
You know, for kids
Pop culture references are not jokes. Ergo, QT’s films are joke-free.
MS: “It’s a movie about drinkin’ booze.”
JB: “I’m assuming it glorifies alcoholism.”
Ladies and gentlemen: Projection!
But that’s not to say that they aren’t funny… because they are.
Jay you just became one of my favorite people.
Colonial war era native american raiders.
The reason Jackie Brown was unlike other Tarantino movies is that it was based on an Elmore Leonard novel called “Rum Punch.” Leonard is a MASTER of dialogue. His plots are basically the same from book to book (he also did Get Shorty, Maximum Bob, and Out of Sight, among many others), but they’re always super fun.
It’s a good thing Tarantino’s not trying to make straight up comedies then.
Get off your lazy f*cking ass and give us what we want you fat homo. Nobody cares about Half in the Bag.
Did either of you guys see Hit and Run this year? Of the few movies I saw this year, it was probably the one I enjoyed the most. I would say that about Prometheus, but that movie made my brain hurt too much to say it was the one I enjoyed the most.
If you don’t like Family Guy why in god’s name would you see Ted?
I have absolutely no idea what people see in Kill Bill. I think the first movie is mediocre and the second one sucks ass.
Didn’t expect this, thanks. Glad somone liked JB, like you, I didn’t care for it, too long and boring. Wanted to see Argo, and Flight and Ted are a rent.
Even more of dicksucking :->.
That’s right, Jay.
In my freezer.
Fuck the pain away.
Bullshit, who cares about Titanic. I’m still waiting for Star Trek V review.
For what Jay said in this one I’ll swallow.
I hear you brother, like when Marvin got shot in the face I was all – that is sooooo boring and unfunny.
“There’s no rules.”
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE’S NO RULES ??? O.o ?????
I had hoped y’all saw Les Mis! It was effing terrible. But everyone gets an Oscar.
I really liked “Jackie Brown,” but the pair of “Kill Bill” films was the shit. Also, I love Family Guy and some of the Cleveland Show, but I wasn’t into “Ted.” It wasn’t funny, and the one pop-culture reference that was almost a payoff (the “Flash Gordon”-fandom of Wahlberg) ended up dominating the movie for no reason, and if you’ve never seen “Flash Gordon” (like myself, never have, don’t want to), you get lost quickly.
I care. I love watching them riff on movies they just watched. Make your own damn review if you need something that badly, geez.
I think his legacy as an uber-fanboy-of-film-turned-indie-writer/director-du jour was the major selling point behind most of his movies up until Grindhouse, maybe. In my opinion, when he released Reservoir Dogs, it had a different feel to the dialogue and the individual shots/scenes (which are all memorable). Same with Pulp Fiction, same with Kill Bill. I hit my teens in the 90’s, and I started branching out when it came to the movies I watched, and his films had a very interesting feel to them despite their individual plots. He also wrote two of my other favorite films of the time “Natural Born Killers” and “True Romance,” so I guess to each his own.
Have to agree with the boys. Tarantino’s artistic career is like a bell curve that peaks midway through Jackie Brown. I can even give you the exact scene. Just after he gets Beaumont into the trunk, Samuel puts on the gloves and the music starts up. From that point on, it’s been an increasing decline, though in terms of box office, it doesn’t seem to matter.
Comedy is subjective.There is no food chain.Although the most juicy stuff can be found at the bottom.
No,I think it’s because the movie is too realistic.Tarantino has to be gimmicky for the general public,’cus that’s what people like,stuff to be labeled and quantified and clearly in the expected category.Personally I’d like to see him make a movie that is not referencing anything and is not in any particular over the top genre and is not any kind of homage to any other movie or director or style.
To bad you didnt bring up “Life Of Pi”, was really looking forward to hear your thoughts on this movie
you should review a fantastic fear of everything. conflicting as hell, that one
No, it’s because Family Guy is basically “Hey Bros, laugh at this funny sound I made!” It might be funny, and it might make you laugh, but it’s not comedy.
“Touch” doesn’t follow this formula, and I can name a few more. Leonard is Modren Pulp for the modren (circa 1972) reader.
Tarantino elevates Rum Punch. It’s more a film about aging and deflated expectations, played masterfully by every new wrinkle on Pam Grier’s face.
No. Jackie Brown is a paean to every 20-something who watched Pulp Fiction with glee, only to (fast-forward) wake up 40-ish, hating the job they have and wishing for something more.
That said, don’t ever watch Diamond Men. Produced by someone female suspiciously named Forster, shot on VHS, straight to DVD, and up next in your Netflix Instant queue. Ugh.
Or maybe that it cuts a little too close for most. As whispered by the inimitable Ordell Robbie: “man, yo’ ass used to be beautiful.”
Fart joke of the year definitely goes to The Master. Only PT Anderson could throw a colossal ass blast into the greatest scene of the year.
“He’s a master filmmaker at the top of his game”
HA HA HA HA HA HA! Good joke, bro
We need the Star Trek V review!
You, midwesterns frauds! Where’s the Star Trek V review?
American hostages in Iran, and not Iranian hostages.
You sir, are a complete asshole and ignorant douche, who doesn’t understand the language of cinema, or what makes a scene work of what is capable a good dialog.
Yeah, you got the joke…
Big Family Guy fan, I’m guessing.
Any comments on the spill.com attack to django unchained?
Why don’t you already?
It has moments – wasn’t a really great year for comedy.
Lol, same humor as Mike. ^^ The funniest moment I remember from watching TED was the fart scene, when Mila Kunis walks out on that douchy guy.
That’s the problem, it’s always the same regurgitation of RLM jokes… it’s old.
Is comedy subjective?
YES.But…a lot of people share a similar kind of subjective..and the mechanics of comedy can be described..which would imply there is a way of fabricating comedy without any need for comedic talent..still..there is no guarantee that a joke will have the same effect on different people and in some cases even the same effect on the same people at different times…some people find the most taboo themes to be the subject matter of the funniest jokes while other people find the same jokes despicable..so yes,subjective…DE GUSTIBUS NON EST DISPUTANDUM
Nekromantik was awesome
I miss Rich Evans and I love Jackie Brown the movie. I’m not a fan of gory stuff. (I prefer subtle horror like The Care Bears in Rainbow Land.) Jackie Brown’s the only Tarantino movie I like to watch from beginning to end. Pulp Fiction wouldn’t have this strong appeal to me without Jules’ miracle conversion and the powerful Bible verse. Tarantino invented a master piece with his Bible verse and the Jules character. So I usually skip most parts of Pulp Fiction.
One detail in Jackie Brown I’d like to pick out now is the end of this movie. Jackie just left and Max Cherry’s trying to avoid his feelings of sorrow and in the last moment you see that his emotions start to take over and then you’re on your own with your imagination. Is he crying? Why is he crying? Is it only the pain of separation from Jackie or is it maybe older pain, pain he was trying to avoid for a longer time, a pain he was rationalizing away? That’s just one little detail that makes the movie so great.
Jackie Brown? I cannot remember anything….just the nice music that carried the whole intro.
I enjoyed Ted. Felt to me like the exact same style of humor from Family guy.
I love everything about Red Letter Media…. that is all. Your reviews are accessible and non-pretentious, but also not pandering. Very genuine and and genuinely entertaining. I learn things (i.e. the frames per second explanation/demonstration in the Hobbit review.) My fiancé laughs at me because every time I’m doing some menial task, I have one of your reviews/shorts in the background. If you need any help promoting anything in Louisiana, hit me up (I already donate.) In short… thank you for your awesome work! 😀
So not subjective in any meaningful sense.
Quintin Tarantino is a faggot manchild and one day I am going to hunt him down and expose his tiny penis.
Naturally you are entitled to your Tarantino hate, but just out of curiosity, what are some filmmakers or movies you would consider to be counter-programing to QT?
I love you two guys but I just don’t get how few films – relatively – you have seen for film buffs. I’ve seen more films, it seems, than you and I’m a nobody.
Wut? Where? I think I missed it!
I don’t like Family Guy and I thoroughly enjoyed Ted. Give it a try.
Oh fuck, yes, please, we need MOAR space western, please, please, make it happen. I’d be totally happy if Tarantino makes the Dark Tower movies, or at least one of ’em
“I-want-to-fuck-more” – Fuck-Bot 5000, April 2012
“I want to fuck more” – Fuck-Bot 5000, April 2012
Hey, in all honesty a lot of the jokes that you do on your show are “non jokes” ackward pauses and all that…
Missing, imo, was Killer Joe. That movie was a brilliant drama.
Also Jay ´n Mike, please talk about something else than “Fuck you, it´s January 1 through 5” in the next couple of months. More people care about YOUR favorite movies than you might think.
Also cool would be a TV Show spin off, or TV talk included into HitB.
If you laughed when “extras” popped up in the beginning of this episode then you will like Ted.
What was that heart-warming goo?
Seth MacFarlane is too lazy to write jokes. For example, his “Hitler joke” the other day? It wasn’t even a joke. He just said the word “Hitler” and expected people to laugh. I don’t have anything about Hitler jokes, but at least try to create an actual joke around it.
Thank you, Mike and Jay. References are not jokes.
For me, Ted was basically a Family Guy episode in theaters. It had all the elements of a FG episode (the “jokes”, the pop culture references and appearances, the way some of the scenes played out, hell even the music), yet it was actually entertaining. Mainly because, at least for me, the characters were actually likeable and the relations between them pretty good and believable to a certain extent.
I liked Anne Hathaway in it, but somebody really, really should tell Russel Crowe that he can’t sing for shit.
you guys could talk a little more about moonrise kingdom, the part in the spiderman review was a little short and its my favorite movie this year. keep it up though guys
CAN YOU GUYS MAKE A WORST OF VIDEO?!!?
WORST OF 2012
Shut up, Quentin.
I think it’s in the future, about ready to come back to the past… Space Cop.
Hey, assholes, do more stuff already, please. Thank you.
You did even more recap and you still didn’t do Seven Psychopaths? The fuck guys?
I enjoyed Ted even though I totally agree with the assessment that there are no jokes really. I found it an entertaining ‘buddy comedy’ and a sort of celebration of 80’s pop culture. The Flash Gordon stuff was a joy to watch. It was pretty much what I expected it to be and that’s fine. Not gonna go down as one of my favourite comedies or anything, but it delivered on what I wanted it to be.
I’m sure they know that. That’s why Mike did that stuff with the party noise makers at the end, I would imagine.
I really dislike when people suggest that Tarintino should “grow up” and direct more serious films. Why? So he can do what 90% of every other director out there does? He has honed his style of film making to a tee and is entertaining as hell. I see no reason why he should attempt a more mature style of work when his current pulpy, grindhouse style of directing is something the 21st century is sorely lacking.
They’re not jokes, but it is comedy. Pop culture references are neither.
The background music.. I can’t listen too it. Maybe my hearing is too good and I get distracted but however much I hate music playing in a café .. having it interfering in something as good as a redlettermedia video is horrible and totally awful. Had to stop watching the first part and now skip this one as well.. please stop. I beg you
But also do Prometheus.
I held off on watching it hoping there’d be a RLM review but finally did last weekend. Holy cow. How does the robot know the Engineer is coming for ms cesearan-n-run when he’s a decapitated head on the floor of a windowless room? How does he operate his suit radio to even contact her without hands or a suit? Because like everyone in the movie, he’s what the plot written by a 4 year old needs him to be at that particular moment?
There’s so many dumb decisions by the characters, magical jumps in reality and dumb writing decisions it would be a RLM bonanza.
I was jaw-droppingly amazed that they wanted to rehash the same subplot as Cameron’s Aliens with the corporation trying to smuggle an alien back to Earth inside a human. Ridley Scott decides to return to the Alien franchise and his first step is to focus on a concept already explored by another director?
What we got, despite the protestations that it wasn’t another Alien, was more facehuggers, chestrippers, and aliens – BUT they were kind of a fish-white instead of green-black we’ve never had that before. And it was handled with an operation instead of a chest-burst, we’ve never had that before. The cave-mapping geologist is the key to it though, we’ve never had a character as funny as him before. If we can just get him working.
And they appear to have a breathtakingly deep nonunderstanding of archeology, medecine, history, physics, astronomy, genetics and so on… How they handle carbon dating, a caesarian, ancient cultures, etc is as if a 4 year old came up with it. The carbon dating thing, most people would let slide but come on 100% DNA match with a giant muscly black eyed bald albino alien race? Did they know what 100% means or were they innumerate? I think even attendees of that creationist theme park in Texas would raise an eyebrow on that. Oh this system even has a SUN isn’t that amazing? Oh yeah by definition if it is a system it has a star ie sun. Seriously, like a 4 year old wrote the whole thing.
No, it’s more likely he’ll be like John Carpenter and begin the slow downward spiral into irrelevance. Grindhouse exploitation movies relied on shock value to boost sales. But F-carpet bombing and gory death only shock for so long.
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I don’t see Tarantino trying to shock anybody with the violence in his movies. It is entertaining, stylistic violence. It isn’t like his movies are pure blood baths without soul. He uses action sequences sparingly, but when the action comes, you know it will go out with a huge, bloody bang. It also helps that Tarantino has directed some of the most famous, critically acclaimed and most iconic movies of all time. John Carpenter is a really poor comparison.
Please write SCHMALTZ without the T!
“I don’t really like Serth MacFarlane’s style of comedy” Who does anymore? The first couple of seasons of Family guy were great, but it all went downhill after that, such trash.
So maybe one or both of you could explain what’s going on in Four Rooms? I made it past the Witches Coven story before I lost all interest. What should I be looking for here?
You both liked “Jackie Brown” and I love that. I thought I was the only one who wanted Tarantino to go further in that style. It wasn’t a big hit, and typical Tarantino reaction was just to say to hell with you all. Then he went back to cartoon violence semi-drama comedies.
Oh well. Maybe he’ll surprise us one day.
Also agree re. “Jackie Brown”, except I loved it when I saw it in the theaters. There aren’t a lot of us JB lovers, but those who do know that we are just better than everyone else.
It’s totally mind dependent and doesn’t exist outside of individual interpretations. This alone may nto be enough for some, so let’s go deeper. To be funny is to elicit a specific emotional response but it doesn this by drawing on our emotion memory, our imagination, and our experiences.
Take for example, a math joke. If a person lacks the knowledge of math then they will not be able to understand why it should even be thought of as funny.
Or we could look at this purely empirically I tell a joke and my friend laughs but not my mother. Or a stranger tells a joke and i laugh but another stranger doesn’t. For something to be found funny there has to exist the right conditions within the person.
So while it is theoretically possible for the most basic joke to be funny to everyone the more complex, nuanced, or dependent the joke becomes the fewer and fewer people could find it funny. Add to this the emotional state at the moment and our tendency to ascribe uncahnging labels to something based on our first impressions it becomes very easy for an emotional connection to make all future jokes of that kind (or from that person) less funny to you than they would have been otherwise.
Humor is subjective in every way.
you liked the town….what
funniest line in TED: “Bridgette Jones Something Asshole”
There’s more JB lovers than you think. Wink. Penis.
That ending cracked me up. Why is it comedy movies don’t make me laugh like these two?
I would also recommend a Bradd Pitt movie called Killing Them Softly. It was not great, but it was interesting and sometimes clever.
My brother has a huge philosophic theory about Kill Bill and he admires the character of Bill. He also believes that the film is incredibly romantic. He actually said that this film contained best romance plot he’d seen in years. I cannot see anything romantic about killing a woman you love (?), but my brother says it’s a “man thing”, and a woman could not possibly understand man’s feelings. Meh. I dunno, maybe Bill was indeed great, manly, noble etc., maybe he truly loved Uma Thurman’s character. I just don’t get it at all. If I were Uma, I certainly would not cry about this dick.
I loved Russel Crowe’s performance in it.
That “man thing” is
vengefulness after the loved one has hurt you. But love and hate are
mutually exclusive, you either hate or you love. Otherwise it would sound like:
“Just because I hate you (from the bottom of my heart) doesn’t mean that
I don’t love you.” It doesn’t make sense.
That “man thing” is vengefulness after the loved one has hurt you. But love and hate are exclusive, you either hate or you love. Otherwise it would sound like: “Just because I hate you (from the bottom of my heart) doesn’t mean that I don’t love you.” It doesn’t make sense.
I would understand hatred and vengeance but I didn’t get the impression that Bill hated “Uma”. He couldn’t let her go, that’s for sure. I think he was more sorry/bitter/sad than angry. But to be honest, almost all Kill Bill characters were complete mystery to me. I hardly got their inner life, I did not feel emotionally attached to anybody. So… Yeah =_=
Wasn’t Bill the boss of a group of assassins and “Uma”‘s been one of them and her former colleages turn against for a reason that might be explained at the end of the movie? I’ve never seen the whole movie for technical reasons first and then I lost interest in it. So maybe Bill’s love to her had nothing to do with his order to kill her. “Business first, then private life” could be his motto.
Besides that the only moment in the movie that really got my attention and admiration is when the half American half Chinese woman is standing on the edge of a high-rise building without any visible fear and in total balance. To be fair, I like the manga part of the movie as a whole. The Chinese/American woman is so extreme and driven by hatred she would go to any length to exact revenge. Just like “Uma”.
I disagree that the actors in Russian terminator were imitating sounds.
That’s just the result of school english withouth learning in an actual native environment.
The main problem with Jackie Brown is that it followed Pulp Fiction and audiences wanted more of the same. Also (and this does have to be taken into consideration) it features a Black protagonist that is the focus of the narrative and does not really have a white co-star even though there are many other actors in the cast. This is Pam Grier’s movie, and sorry, but mainstream audiences don’t flock to theater’s to see movies that are solely about black people. Even if it is a universal story.
Why does Tarantino get labeled as this blaxploitation filmmaker? True he likes those films and he knows a lot about those films, but he’s only done one film that could be considered paying homage to blaxploitation cinema, and that’s Jackie Brown. Django is more of a hybrid of spaghetti western and blaxploitation and that just came out. He’s definitely a grindhouse director though.
I really like Tarantino and I agree that his best movie was “Jackie Brown”. However, I thought “Inglorious Bastards” was boring as shit. I almost walked out of that movie cause it was so boring. Also, I agree with with Mike and Jay about Seth Mc-whatever. I think he’s a total fucking hack.
I love Jackie Brown and loved it since day one. Just wanted to say that.
imagine if Kubrick never evolved from Paths of Glory
The ending of this confused the everloving shit out of my dog.
That it was an internet meme before Family Guy did it doesn’t reflect that much on the show. Rather, it reflects on the stupidity of the internet audience.
What I have to wonder if it’s early Family Guy or later Family Guy. The early stuff, while it did rip off most of The Simpson’s characters, most of the references served a purpose in the narrative of that episode. Later versions are the ones that have random, interchangeable jokes with no narrative or even compelling characters.
Actually, in a commentary in the South Park episode, “Fighting Round the World,” Matt and Trey were invited to Crowe’s recording session and they made an innocuous criticism. Crowe got mad at them for it.
Great job. You win… nothing. Coz you’re still a nobody.
That’s a wonderfully racist review on that site.
Impressive how so many people can entirely miss the point of a movie. Oh, and it was totally unbiased too. /sarcasm
So, pop culture references aren’t jokes? Then what’s at 19:54 of your John Carter review?
The Robert Rodriguez segment with the kids and Antonio Banderas with a pimp mustache. Nothing else.
I know right, black prothagonist? Pfft, I totally avoid all the movies featuring Will Smith, Samuel L. Jackson, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Idris Elba, Don Cheadle, Forest Whitaker, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Wesley Snipes, Laurence Fishburne, Sidney Poitier, Hale Berry, Zoe Saldana, Pam Grier(!), Djimon Hounsou, Ving Rhames, Jammie Fox and other black people. That might be why I have not seen a single movie in years. Did you also hear that the president is black? LOLWUT
Your sarcasm is duly noted, but the fact remains that in America at least mainstream audiences have this idea that movies that just happen to have a lot of Blk ppl are “Black movies” for Black people. Sure there are exceptions, but Hollywood execs are very skittish about having trailers and the like that feature too many minorities in them for this very reason. Generally when a film with a Black actor does well, they are most often the ONLY person of color in the film with any substantial role.
Maybe you’re an exception, maybe you pulled those names out of a wiki search of Black actors, but the fact remains that if you’re non-white you my friend are an exception. Sad, but true.
Just because you go to movies, because the movie happens to look interesting is not the way the mainstream tends to go about it when race is concerned. If that weren’t the case we’d have more Native American, Black, Indian, Hispanic and Asian A-list actors as leads in more A-list movies. The reason we don’t is that Hollywood doesn’t believe mainstream audiences will pay to see those actors as leads.
Acknowledge that there is a problem instead of trying to ignore it, (or attempt to mock people who inform you about it).
Sorry, I have to mock at least three people a day to survive. I am fully prepare to acknowledge the fact that “ethnic” actors have tough time in Hollywood, but as far as I know there is plenty of African American leads and while the mainstream audiences might not flock to “black” movies, maybe it is sometimes because the filmmakers themselves try to cater more to specific audiences (Does Tyler Perry look undernourished to you because noone sees his flicks?).
One reason I decided to reply to you is because I do not consider Jackie Brown a good example of the issue you present. If there is a reason that people did not appreciate the film, it has probably much more to do with the expectations based on the directors previous output – actually, there might be a reason certain part of audiences avoided the movie because of its prothagonist, but rather than race I think it might have been because of the gender. Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are chock full of kick ass alpha males and some men do not like women as their gangster movie prothagonists. That is also why I like Tarantino, for providing us slew of wonderful tough heroines.
To clarify, Im a caucasian male, non American, jaybaumanosexual.
Lol. Maybe I need to start mocking at least three people a day myself. Seems like it could be good for the soul and the internet makes it an easier habit to start than working out every morning.
Yes, I do agree with you, most of Tarantino’s output except for maybe Kill Bill would have been hard pressed to garner the accolades fans showered Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction with. I think the fact that Tarantino Doesn’t put himself in a box with one genre is a primary reason he gets a lot of flack. People wanted him to continue to make those two pictures over and over again, and JB was perhaps too radically different, and more subtle than what he’d done before. Also it was his first and only adaptation, though he certainly made it his own.
Personally I’d like to see him tackle another book that resonated with him.
Oh yes, that’s a nice idea. Tarantino is about the only director I like to watch just indulge himself, because he can transfer his fondness of the genre and material to the audience. I think the most underappreciated movie of his is of course Death Proof, because again, the expectations were completely different (plus, to be contrasted with Planet Terror which delivered exactly what was promised didn’t help). I put that flick mentally with Cabin in the Woods, Behind the Mask and similar decontsructions of the slasher genre, which it is, rather than “roadsploation” movie which people did expect.
RLM aren’t allowed to ever make a pop culture reference joke along with their dozens of actual, differing-style jokes because Jay once said in a video that he doesn’t appreciate referencing pop culture as a main source of comedy in a routine. Makes perfect sense.
“Pop culture references are not jokes” – Jay
I referenced a quote from this review and responded to it in the form of a jested question with reference. I made no inference beyond that and certainly did not state that they were not allowed to make a pop culture reference joke, as I do not have the authority to enable such a restriction.
I may have inferred that I found Jay making that statement while performing such a joke himself, somewhat hypocritical, but that’s about as deep as my comment went.
Thank you for your ludicrous conjecture based on imagined nothings.
Seth MacFarlane’s comedy is actually baffling to me when considering all of Family Guy AND American Dad. Early Family Guy was a near perfect Simpsons copy, with a few characters added to make it different enough. It’s fair game though, as even Shakespeare takes from Plautus and Ovid on occasion. Later Family Guy became what Jay speaks of: references as jokes. But American Dad is bizarrely consistent in that it doesn’t make that many references or interchangeable jokes. Most of its jokes are based on the story and typically further the plot.
Here’s why I think that discrepancy exists: At some point, after about the seventh season of Family Guy, or when they had that anniversary episode where they’re trapped in the bank vault, that team decided to just phone it in and do whatever to the characters. At this point, they started doing the dramatic episodes like the wife-beating one or the one where Joe’s son comes back from Iraq, which have maybe 2-3 jokes in the entire episode. I didn’t see the episode with Brian’s death, so I don’t really know how dramatic that is, but it’s probably the best example of what I mean here.
They don’t do this kind of thing with American Dad. Characters in that show stay relatively consistent, they don’t do dramatic episodes, even if a given episode has that element, they don’t use cutaway gags, and when they get rid of a character, it’s done in a funny way. Jeff isn’t killed, but is abducted by aliens, and the 100 ancillary characters in a disposable way. I think the only difference between the two shows is the effort to be funny.
Thirty-four. Nicely placed.
Argo was much better when it still had the “F” in its title.
Yes! Jackie Brown is my favorite Tarantino movie and one of my top 5 favorite of all time. I think I liked Jackie Brown so much partially because I didn’t seen Pulp Fiction first. I actually watched his films in this order: Reservoir Dogs->Django Unchained->Jackie Brown->Pulp Fiction->Kill Bill Vol. 1&2->Death Proof->Inglourious Basterds.
You’re a self righteous twat.
Death Proof was a really lovely surprise, not at all what I expected. I’d actually put it as one of my favorites of his (even if a lot of other Tarantino films probably had significantly more work put into them).
The hip-hop infused gorefest shootout at the end of Django was the worst part of the movie. Almost ruined it. It’s like… the movie was sooo good at being subtle and then totally throws that out the fuckin window with braindead bodycount-pumping shootfest that would make Paul Verhoven get hot n bothered.
Yeah JB is my favorite as well…I really didn’t care for DP or IB (sue me) DU and KB are fun but I dont really love them the way I love RD PF or JB.
Death Proof was his worst, but I still consider it a good movie. I’d rank them like this
1. Jackie Brown (10/10)
2. Pulp Fiction (10/10)
3. Kill Bill Vol. 2 (10/10)
4. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (10/10)
5. Django Unchained (9/10)
6. Reservoir Dogs (9/10)
7. Inglourious Basterds (9/10)
8. Death Proof (7/10)
I find Inglourious Basterds, while it’s not my favorite of his, to be a great movie with extremely high rewatchability (once watched it at home one day and at a friend’s the next).
alright now I get to be the asshole…
1. Jackie Brown (10/10)
2. Pulp Fiction (10/10)
3. Reservoir Dogs (10/10)
4. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (9/10)
5. Kill Bill Vol. 2 (8/10)
6. Django Unchained (8/10)
7. Inglourious Basterds (7/10)
8. Death Proof (5/10)
Being humorous =/= telling a joke. It may be a different ep but at one point they do go to the effort of explaining that a joke consists of a setup and pay off. Farts might be funny, slapstick may be funny, cultural references may be funny, sophisticated wordplay may be difficult and complicated as well as funny…but none of these things are “jokes”, no matter how hard you laugh.
And we both forgot Sin City btw…
Sin City (a generous) 5/10
He directed like one shot from that movie.
I’d give it a generous 8. Some parts of it were goofy, but overall, it’s probably the only Rodriguez film I care for.
Idon’t understand how the guy continues to find work…
Well, a scene, but whatever.
Apparently the script was much better, with the things Tarantino does so specifically and uniquely well: character and dialogue. Samuel Jackson said a lot of scenes were cut that he and Jamie Fox were upset losing. The other thing lacking in Django for me was strong women. How do you go from Kill Bill to Death Proof to Inglorious Bastards and then make a film with a damsel in distress.
I highly recommend Jim Emerson’s review: http://www.rogerebert.com/scanners/django-unchain-my-heart-and-set-me-free
No, he is THE LAW.
I saw all but the last 15 minutes of Django Unchained tonight. I enjoyed it up to that point.
Once the DiCaprio and Waltz characters were shot, and Jamie Fox was blasting away with the blood splatter and body count, I turned the film off.
You didn’t miss much for the reasons Cassidy’s given and for this ridiculous happy ending where Django becomes some sort of comedy character and his horse becomes Jolly Jumper. The background music that plays during the end scene comes from one of the Trinity movies with Terence Hill and I got the impression that from then on Django is Trinita. To me this actually killed the movie, I’d rather not see it again. This ending almost ruined the two comedic Trinity movies for me. Django Unchained and They Call Me Trinity / Trinity is Still My Name just don’t go together. It’s like the Prequels and the original Star Wars trilogy. And this is where the similarity ends. Almost seems like an insult to compare Django Unchained – a solid movie – to the Prequels.
Superb Post ipl 8 live score
Wow, I clicked this when it appeared in the Random box because I recently saw Flight, really enjoyed it and wanted to hear what Jay and Mike had to say about it. I was surprised because I couldn’t remember them ever talking about it. Now I understand why. You HACKS!
yeah American Dad is a… weirdly good show? Like, I watched and enjoyed family guy in middle/high school, but had grown sick of it by my later years of highschool. Up to that point I’d never seen American Dad because it was American Dad; seemingly a cheap rip off of a show I’d already gotten sick of. And then I caught and episode of it, and I was like ‘huh, that was actually pretty okay.’ And then I watched more, and it ended up being a pretty good show. It’s not always good, it’s certainly not particularly smart in any regard, and it might have become shit in the years since I stopped watching, but I’ll contend it’s a far better show than Family Guy
Consider that Kubrick’s first films were not nearly as polished as Tarantino’s first films. Some filmmakers are pretty damn all there right out of the box. Just like at Orson Welles and ‘Citizen Kane’.
I agree. The first scene with the French family hiding the Jewish family was great. Brad Pitt hamming it up was actually pretty hilarious and I liked his performance but I think it actually may have hurt the film with his comedy. I mean take his scenes out and you’d have a (mostly) much more serious film.
The theatre burning + gory shoot everything scene of the film is horribly dumb. I think it was literally just made as porn for people who hate nazis so much they wanted to see Hitler get shot up and an entire theater of high ranking Nazi officers get burned to death. I’m surprised they didn’t also gas the theatre too! Take that Nazis, how does it feel! Haha! I also want to be clear I don’t support nazism or any hate based movement (unless there is a movement for hating bad movies).
I also did not care one bit about the girl ho owned the theatre and apparently had an intimate relationship with a dark skinned guy. I guess it was supposed to be her revenge/add insult to injury but whatever. A lot of the movie is made up of her and that’s part of why I can’t even sit through it. She wasn’t even that bad, but her payoff is so underwhelming to me that it just made me not care about any of her story or setup to it.
As for Mcfarlane. I truly think he has talent to do good things, but he (like George and many others) is probably now surrounded by yes men after his Family Guy show got super successful. American Dad is usually consistently funny and relies very little on pop culture references and I think the strength is that the characters are crazy but very consistent and feel like they actually have motivations behind the things they do and say (the majority of the time). Never saw Ted but after 20 minutes of A Million Ways To Lose All Hope For Humanity I hope Mcfarlane just stays way far away from a movie studio forever.
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