George A. Romero’s Martin – re:View

July 21, 2017138 Comments

Jay and Josh discuss one of several of George A. Romero’s great non-zombie films Martin!

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  • Alex Doucet

    Will definitely have to check this one out

  • frankelee

    Martin? I loved that show.

  • Alex Doucet

    He will be sorely missed.

  • Cool.

  • frankelee

    Did they honestly say that lulzy idea that Martin’s family was all crazy and believed in vampires was realistic? As in something that resembles reality? That was sad.

  • RLMkeepitup

    first, i will save your soul. then i will destroy you. -the cousin-uncle

  • LameSame

    You haven’t known enough crazy people in your life to think it’s that out there. We’ve got people that think God is going to take them away on a UFO. Mike believes in ghosts. Cult mentality. It happens.

    In this world we have (in my best Plinkett voice): people who hunt for bigfoot. People who believe in witches. People who don’t believe in global warming. People who believe the world is flat. People who blow up thousands of innocents because they think God will give them one thousand virgins. People who think prayer will cure you. Actual vampire hunters who think they’re hunting actual vampires. The list goes on and on. So a family that believes in their romanticized version of generational vampires is, sadly, realistic. Or at least realistic enough to be called that in a vampire movie.

  • Brian Levine

    Sorry but I’m completely done with vampires, zombies and wizards.

  • Terriosaurus Hex

    Somehow still a more sympathetic character than Bill Cosby.

  • andychrist

    soft cell introduced me to this film

  • andychrist

    ………. and kevin bacon

  • EJ

    I know a family that honestly has a tradition that they are partly descended from elves. Most of them don’t take it seriously, but enough do that it’s been handed down for generations. People believe all kinds of weird shit.

  • Patrick Rennick

    Thanks so much for this guys. I’m happy to know that there are people out there who appreciate Romero not only as the reinventor of the zombie genre but also as a brilliant filmmaker (and editor!) who absolutely had a unique voice and an enormous impact on cinema. Martin is an excellent piece that deserves recognition and respect. Keep up the good work!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I wish Wizard could go into more detail about the film’s aspect ration and color temperature.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Landau?

  • Art Haack

    Le montage, c’est bien!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Sounds like what Trump says to the Constitution before he goes to bed each night. Hey-ooo!

  • Nemo

    Great movie, guys, thanks for the recommendation.

    I was a teenager at that time, and yeah, this movie catches it. Thematically reminds me a bit of “Willard” but darker. After the emotional roller-coaster of the ’60s–landing on the Moon (48 years ago today Apollo 11 was on the return trajectory) mixed with Khe Sanh and the King assassination–the ’70s was a very cynical “One tin soldier rides away” moment in Amerika.

    But the disco thing was just starting. Go figger.

  • Chowderbatter

    Saw this for the first time about a month ago.

    Looking forward to the fellas’ take on it.

    Creepy film. Reminded me of Jarmusch’s Stranger Than Paradise and a bit of Fassbinder (Rainer Werner, not Michael).

  • Chowderbatter

    Christians believe in vampires.

    It’s a blood cult. They drink blood, bathe in it.

    Communion is eating flesh and drinking blood. Christians believe that Jesus’ sweet, sweet blood cleans them. Washes them. They sing about it. Tell their children sweetly about it. Get orgiastic about it, fall on the floor, dance around in a circle singing:

    Are you washed in the blood,
    In the soul-cleansing blood of the Lamb?
    Are your garments spotless? Are they white as snow?
    Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

    Because this mania is so pervasive, it doesn’t even register that they’re singing about cannibalism and blood showers.

    Ask them. Or don’t ask them. They’ll tell you anyway. But all without a clue. Because in their heads, gushing torrents of precious carpenter/lamb blood is love.

    Madness.

  • Chowderbatter

    I mean people sing songs like this without a hint of irony:

    There is a blessed fount of blood,
    It flows from Jesus’ side;
    And I have plunged my guilty soul
    Beneath its cleansing tide

    — “Blessed Fountain of Blood” (1900)
    By Daniel O. Teasley

  • jmt

    Rest In Peace, Mr. Romero.

  • Chomiq

    Josh and Jay make a great re:View duo. RIP George.

  • Andrew Holden Mazur

    That Romero montage at the end is really really really fucking good. It’s touching and dead on for Romero’s tone and style. Thanks for doing this.

  • Robotpals

    “What up?”

  • Dustin Scarsdale

    Where’s the Transformers 5 review?

    I dont care about PLanet of the Apes or even Dunkirk reviews….

    Just Transformers 5 review…

  • Bleurgh

    This seems darker than a lars von trier movie. Think I’ll give it a miss.

  • EJ

    Deos spamming people endlessly usually get you what you want? Maybe I should try it sometime.

  • Spamwise

    Was just coming here to say that the montage at the end of this episode is the best tribute to Romero I’ve seen. Beautifully done and makes me want to go rewatch a bunch of his movies.

  • LameSame

    Von Trier can indeed suck a big, nail-impaled dick. I hate that guy. Can’t really say anything about Romero… Never saw his stuff. But I’m guessing you may be on to something with this particular movie.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Wow! You facks were ripping Romero a new one not long ago… Should we expect a similar brown-nosing fest for George Lucas when he finally snuffs it?

  • Steve B.

    They’ve definitely trashed Land of the Dead and whatever bad zombie movie it was that he made after that, but they’ve praised his original trilogy of zombie films and have generally talked about Romero with affection. Dumbass.

  • Joe Syxpac

    That’s only cuz he’s reading what Obama had written on the walls over and over for eight years.

  • Just because they think Romero lost his touch as he got older doesn’t mean they don’t respect the man – and similarly just because they like his earlier body of work doesn’t mean they have to like what he did later in his life. And in George Lucas’s case, they seem to be of the potential belief that George Lucas has always been a hack – but that still doesn’t mean they disrespect him. I don’t think it’s necessarily brown-nosing to reminisce about someone’s work as a bit of a memoir to their passing.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Hollywood is already planning on a remake with Kevin Hart as Martin and The Rock as Cuda.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    George Lucas isn’t dead yet? Dammit, my prayers aren’t working then!
    **converts to atheism, peppers social media with smug, insensitive memes**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    It’s been a while since Von Trier opened his pie-hole and blathered pro-Nazi stuff.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    It worked for Trump.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    The greatest thing to come out of Pittsburgh.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I’ll drink to that!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Since this is the Internet and therefor a site of enlightened discourse, I’m going to assume he wrote something vis-a-vis penis size and exact whereabouts of the Bilderberg Nazi gold stockpiles overseen by the Federal Reserve.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Now I’m hungry.

  • RLMkeepitup

    Mike knows millennials won’t remember the video you refer to.

  • frankelee

    Having received an education in psychology, you might be able to stretch an anecdote far enough to say it’s sorta, kinda realistic. But when you can see the details of how people think and behave, a whole family talking a teenager into believing he’s an 83 year old vampire and them all believing it too? Maybe Dr. Phil would fall for that one, but no, it’s literally never happened and it literally never will. And nothing even close to that has ever happened either.

  • Terriosaurus Hex

    I knew there was a Cosby joke here somewhere! All it took was a little greasing.

  • Bleurgh

    I assume they mean that this is a mental illness which compels them to drink blood, which has been confused with the vampire method.

  • Bleurgh

    Don’t forget people who believe in a hovering invisible sky-God who arbitrates justice in a world where monstrous human-beings get away with evil shit all the time and actually think there’s some kind of life after death.

  • Joe Syxpac

    You’ve been in the White House too?

    They won’t let me in anymore cuz I keep reading the writing on the walls out loud.

  • Spoiled Ants

    It’s right next to the NUKIE tapes.
    Thanks for asking.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    But of course Steve! RLM makes fun of Romero with the same affection we all make fun of them. It’s all for laughs; we all like RLM or we wouldn’t be here, am I right folks? But surely we all know this already! Only a dumbass would need to have it explained! πŸ˜‰

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Just being a bit cheeky, really. We’ll all miss Romero and our lovable facks have been fair to his legacy. And God yes, Lucas has always been a hack! Amen to that! πŸ™‚

  • LameSame

    Okay, first of all: look up people like Marcus Wesson. Second of all, do you really need to see the EXACT situation in history to think it’s “lulzy” to refer to it as realistic? For a vampire movie of all things? Instead of conceding the completely valid examples I’m giving you are just as insane, you’re telling me I’m “stretching an anecdote”. I’m not. And I maintain you must be extremely sheltered if you think I am.

    I’m sure your fancy psychology education makes you some sort of super serious authority, and man am I totally impressed (I swear!), but you’re being a bit stubborn if you really think it’s that far a stretch from other brainwashing situations throughout history. To continue with these wacky anecdotes you seem to think are a stretch, people can be raised from childhood to think they’re the reincarnation of the Buddha. There are actual people that think they’re vampires. My girlfriend left me to worship a Korean woman who thinks she’s the wife of Jesus. She has millions of followers. I’m not “stretching an anecdote”, because it’s not a stretch. I don’t mean to be rude, but don’t go throwing your (very special and impressive) credentials at me. It’s condescending bullshit.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    You know the White House rules: No shoes, no shirt, please tell Steve Bannon to put his shirt on.

  • Bubs

    There are people who think that Hillary Clinton is a reptilian alien from inner earth, and you think someone believing they’re a vampire is a stretch? And I know what you may be thinking “They don’t REALLY believe that.” Yes, they really do.

  • sigaba

    There’s only one way to find out, torture one of them and see if they turn into an orc.

  • Eric Monaghan

    It’s time for a Dunkirk half in the bag. Let’s gogo

  • Urdus

    He has no idea what he is talking about. You can hear that he has this Hollywood/ Indiana Jones view on this whole matter. History, danish collaboration, german non nazis? “who cares”.

  • EJ

    Such a fuckin’ good movie. I’m not always a big Christopher Nolan fan, but he knocked this one out of the park.

  • ikdks

    I was thinking, Romero is such a cultural icon that he was an offscreen character in Return of the Living Dead. He got Buckaroo Banziaed, but instead of Orson Wells, it was George Romero that got muscled into covering up the true event.

    That’s pretty good though, they don’t rewrite the history of nobodies.

  • Strelnikov

    Actually, Bigfoot hunters many times are biologists or anthropologists doing this as a lark. One of the first writers on the Yeti was Ivan T. Sanderson, who graduated from Cambridge University with MAs on Biology and Ethnology. Loren Coleman has a BA in Biology and did thirty years of fieldwork on Bigfoot and other “cryptozoological” animal claims. Despite what you think from the Idiot Box, most of them are out there putting up motion-sensitive trail cameras, looking for hair or droppings or remains, not being documented by a camera crew, all so they can write a paper….though there was an argument whether it would be better if a specimen was killed, so at least a body could be shown to the world. This is people interested in weird stuff, LameSame, not cult mentality.

  • EJ

    I said this in another comment thread, but one of my favorite stories about Romero was that he and Fred Rogers aka “Mr. Rogers” were good friends, and George invited him to the premier of Night of the Living Dead. So what did Mr. Rogers, that gentle children’s TV icon and ordained Presbyterian minister, think of Romero’s notoriously violent and gruesome horror flick? “It’s a lot of fun, George!”

  • Joe Syxpac

    Is this another incident of “Curse of the Worst”?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “I got 95 Theses and a bitch ain’t one!” — Martin Luther

  • Zek

    When are these jerks going to talk about Dunkirk. I know you saw it. I watched the Dark Knight Rises review tonight and you were both like oh Christopher Nolan is the best filmmaker ever. Also in the Dark Knight Rises HiTB Jay says “For me personally”

  • LameSame

    Sure. But clearly that’s not the population of Bigfoot hunters I’m talking about, then.

  • Urdus

    Maybe he didn’t know what he is talking about. Despite the students revolutions many children couldn’t ask their parents about this time. It was tabu. And in the socialist east even until the fall of the wall. It’s devastating how little, even people grown up in the 80s, know about the time between 33-45.

  • Gerald Potterton

    When is the War of the Planet of the Apes review coming?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    When they make a monkey out of me. Get your damn hands off me, you dirty ape.
    **begins singing**
    Dr. Zaius! Dr. Zaius! etc.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Dunkirk was only a dream that Leo DiCaprio had.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Oi! Cheeky, eh? Bit of a larf? Bit of how’s ya fathah? Right, guv? Cor blimey!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    People in the 70s could watch The Producers. Pretty informative about that time period in European history.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    With all the irresponsible media-hungry gun owners in this country, why doesn’t one of them just shoot the fucking thing? Then they could mount it to the side of their symbol of (alleged) heterosexuality, er, I mean, pick up truck. Whaddya need, a roadmap?

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Lor’ luv a duck and Mary f#@g Poppins! πŸ˜€

  • Cakefarts

    Martin was good. That is all.

  • kylemz

    Martin is on Youtube. I watched it before seeing this review.

  • LameSame

    Has anyone made a joke about the sitcom “Martin” yet?

    Oh.

  • RLMkeepitup

    link? oh. Ohhhh

  • LameSame

    No.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I love that show! Will Smith is tha bomb!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Who knew Martin was raised by a wacky Presbyterian?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Curse of the Blurst? That’s terrible!
    **glowers at monkey chained to typewriter**

  • BCFC25

    Was about to ask the same thing also they could do a double review of Valerian which is sci fi and up Mikes alley.

  • EJ

    Von Trier didn’t grow up in Eastern Europe, he’s Danish. He added the “von” to his name when he was a young man as a tip of the hat to some older German directors who’d given themselves aristocratic titles.

    I don’t know for sure but considering their history during WWII, I’m pretty sure the Danish educational system makes students aware of the horrors of Nazism.

  • Strelnikov

    How many Bigfoot hunters do you think are out there? There are more dudes chasing twisters in SUVs than people trying to collect Sasquatch scat/find a Bigfoot corpse/ just shoot the thing. Reality TV has completely skewed public perception of what is really going on with paranormal investigating: ghost “hunting” and cryptozoological field work (“monster hunting”) have always been done with small groups, sometimes a single person. Psychic stuff has been researched in labs, but once again it’s a small number of parapsychologists (though a lot of work has been done that way.) UFO groups ask the public to report what they have seen, and they will call you if they find your report interesting. If you think there are hundreds of guys in surplus NASA spacesuits waiting for the call to pick up an alien like in E.T., then I have to tell you that Steven Spielberg lied to you.

  • Strelnikov

    Because “the fucking thing” is damn good at hiding (if you believe it exists.) Seriously, that’s it; the Bigfoot avoids people if it can and lives as far away from humans as possible. Average Johnny Hunter is used to nailing deer with a rifle, not a hairy humanoid that runs away if it can (but might turn out to be very strong if cornered and willing to mangle Johnny Hunter to get away.)

  • LameSame

    You’re assuming a lot about me (and what I was implying). I’m just saying there are bigfoot hunters who exist that don’t fall under the category you were describing. I wasn’t saying there were hoards of earnest Bigfoot hunters out there, just as there aren’t hoards of earnest vampire hunters out there. But they’re out there, and it’s really neither here nor there how many there are. It’s just that they exist. As funny as your explosive response is, chill the fuck out.

  • LameSame

    You’re assuming a lot about me (and what I think). I’m just saying there are bigfoot hunters who exist that don’t fall under the “as a lark” category you were describing. I wasn’t saying there were hoards of serious Bigfoot hunters in high tech mobile labs or whatever, and that’s part of my point. The people I’m describing are unfunded crazies. But nevertheless, there are Bigfoot hunters out there who do it in earnest, and it’s really neither here nor there how many there are or how they operate. It’s just that they exist. As funny as your explosive response is, chill the fuck out.

  • Jaygon1234

    Hacks! Time to review War for the Planet of the Apes! You reviewed the last two! You wouldn’t stop at Attack of the Clones, would you? Time to get it over with… (even though it was good)

  • Jaygon1234

    more like up his ass

  • Jaygon1234

    I feel like the roles should be reversed

  • Jaygon1234

    Well, memes were invented by the premier smug atheist, so…

  • Jaygon1234

    They think everyone loses their touch when they get older. Hey, everyone who’s in their teens and 20s, lets all get together and pester the hacks for being “elderly” once they hit 50!

  • Jaygon1234

    They won’t make a video commemorating him, they’ll just put “Jedi” on their census

  • BCFC25

    Giggity though what with Jay turning gay i think he might like it more!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    They’ll do that, when Hollywood remakes it 3 years later as The Amazing Martin: Homecoming.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Isn’t that term redundant?

  • moron

    This comment is for Jack Packard regarding the Pre-Rec video Slay the Orcs pt 3.

    There was a better carrot joke on Lost.

    What did one snowman say to the other?

    Smells like carrots.

    That is all.

  • moron

    I was wrong. It was earth all along. You’ve finally made a monkey *yes we’ve finally made a monkey* Yes you’ve finally made a monkey out oooooooooof me.

  • moron

    Amazing. Jay mentions George Romero’s Martin as being his favorite Romero movie within 5 minutes of Jack’s bad carrot joke.

    For RLM fans who don’t watch the Pre Rec streams on youtube (or live, if you’re free when they go live) (I only bring this up because I always skipped over them on youtube and stuck to the stuff from the RLM youtube page) the Pre Rec ones with Jay are like solid 3 or 4 or sometimes 1 hour podcasts with people asking questions while someone plays a video game. Its probably the closest we’ll get to a RLM podcast that isn’t sarcastic (at least in the ones when Jay is there, which if you search Pre Rec with Jay on youtube you’ll get a playlist with 160 probably hour long videos (at the least))

    Its not too bad.

  • Strelnikov

    I respond because you obviously don’t know much about what you are writing about, which is fine for an atheist messageboard, but when you deal with the general public, it doesn’t work.

  • RLMkeepitup

    this is a good point to mention for anyone wondering why RLM doesn’t interact more with fans. although Mike should wander into more streamz

  • LameSame

    Uh, what on earth do you think I’m even writing about? I feel like we’re talking about two completely different things. Did you not read my response? I’m talking about something completely different (like my neighbor who believes in the New Jersey Devil and goes on hikes looking to photograph him, or that lady in Ohio who says Sasquatch comes to visit her all the time). I’m just not talking about the same thing you are. Period. I’m not talking about the scientists who do it “as a lark”– which, by the way, I’m not arguing ISN’T usually the case; of course it is! I agree with you! I’m not talking about Bigfoot hunting TV shows or Spielberg UFO movies either, and it says a lot about your reading comprehension that you think I am.

    Seriously, this is nuts. I feel like I’m talking to somebody who speaks a different language. Again, and to be completely clear, I agree with and understand everything you’re talking about. All I’m saying– LITERALLY ALL I’M SAYING, YOU NUT– is that there are crazy people out there that actually believe in big foot and hunt him in earnest. That’s all I’m saying. It’s true. Even if there’s just a handful of them, who the fuck cares? There’s documented cases of that sort of thing. What the actual fuck? What’s your malfunction? I literally have no idea what the hell your issue is. Are you having a stroke?

  • LameSame

    Mike’s too mature for video games. He has manly stuff to do, like organizing his Star Trek collectibles or investigating the supernatural.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    And mountain climbing and smoking a pipe. No wait, that was Graham Chapman.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Captain Dunkirk? From Star Trek?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    [random bits of dialogue from Lock, Stock, and 2 Smoking Barrels]

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “I’m surrounded by dumbasses!” — President Scroob

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Khe Sanh? I love that restaurant. Try the pho!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Oh please … if we can kill Bin Laden surely we can shoot and mount one of these giant sentient apes.

  • Strelnikov

    Bin Laden was hiding in a safe house with armed guards. Bigfoot roams and has alleged seasonal ranges. Couple that with the remote areas that it likes and no real push by hunters to shoot one, and it stays an unknown to zoology.

  • BCFC25

    So guys are you too busy preparing for your review of the blockbusting, Oscar Baiting and most likely movie of the year Emoji movie?

  • moron

    For Jay from Are You Sick of X-Com 2 Yet Part 1: I literally fell asleep in the theaters while watching The Martian. Boring indeed. The only other movie that’s happened with was Oceans 12 with the riveting Julia Roberts’ character looks like Julia Roberts plotline.

  • Spoiled Ants

    The ‘requests’ section is on Youtube below the video, where it will be officially reviewed and subsequently ignored.

  • LameSame

    Man, your name really fits the bill, I must say.

  • LameSame

    Same diff. I’d call Mike the Chapman of RLM (if such comparisons must be drawn).

  • Pop Culture Reference

    The Martian did have a lengthy subplot about human shit.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Except that Graham Chapman was gay.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Does the greasing come after I lose consciousness?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Or the government could forbid Bigfoot hunting and/or only have Bigfoot hunting be allowed to Native Americans. Because white heterosexual NRA members are the most persecuted demographic in the US.
    **falls off couch gut laughing**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    How can anyone be an alien from inner earth? That doesn’t make sense. On the other hand, if you look at Hillary Clinton’s connections to the reverse vampires and the RAND Corporation, it clearly shows there’s a massive conspiracy to force kids to go to bed early.

  • LameSame

    Hmm… And?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Well, we do have a walking, talking Shit Emoji in the White House … something something topical joke.
    **shrugs shoulders, sees self out**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    This is the part where someone says something about Jay. I think? I don’t have the RLM Discussion Threads By-laws in front of me.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    **holds up lighter**
    Freebird!!!

  • Strelnikov

    He He.

    My understanding is that Native Americans avoided Bigfoot before European colonization, and they still do. You have to prove something exists before you can ban it, which is why some of the Bigfoot investigators wanted to kill one, bring it to a lab, dissect it. So that there is proof (which they still don’t have.)

  • LameSame

    Yeah, something something Manhole.

  • Bleurgh

    I imagine Mike spends most of his time drinking.

  • Bleurgh

    I really liked the last one with Gary Oldman, hated the Franco one, that was a snoozefest.

  • Bleurgh

    Romeros last few films were terrible. Hollywood didn’t start suppourting him until after he lost the gonzo enthusiasm of his youth. Land of the Dead depresses me because I am always thinking about how great it could have been if he had really tried to make it great.

  • Bleurgh

    Lucas deserves respect, he shot a lot of the footage that ultimately became Star Wars! I think he even wrote an extremely early draft of the script!

  • Bleurgh

    It’s a good cold chisel song, but I prefer ‘Saturday Night’

  • Bleurgh

    Reinventor? I think you mean ‘inventor’.

  • Bubs

    If you knew anything about these people, you would know that logic doesn’t always go hand in hand with what they believe. That being said, it’s obvious that the reptilian aliens came here millions of years ago, flying their saucers through a huge crater located at the north pole into inner earth, and have been abducting and eating humans ever since.

    This is a real theory.
    I need to go wash my hands now.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Witchcraft exists? Iraqi WMDs? I’ve never found any of these to actually exist in the first place.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    But there’s no land on the North Pole. It is ice over water. Or are they really “that” stupid?

  • Strelnikov

    I know it sounds bizarre, but people practice Witchcraft in a variety of ways as a sort of pre-Christian European folk religion. Do i believe it works to hex people and whatnot? Not really.

    The Iraqi WMDs were a piece of Bush II propaganda to justify their dumbass invasion of Iraq.

  • Foreman 371

    it was more meant as an example of how bad it can go with the historical understanding in the worst case. We have millions of people running around here not understanding the world they live in. It’s a problem if you demand “historical responsibilty” from them. Especialy if their enemy was socialistic dictatorship. Not right wring extremism. And my guess was and is that Trier is one of those who don’t know much.

  • Awesome Welles

    BTW, a lot of the aicn talkbackers are over at The Man Who Saved Movies now if you want to check it out.

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