Blade Runner – re:View

July 2, 2017339 Comments

Jay is joined by Colin from Canada to discuss the Ridley Scott sci-fi classic Blade Runner, a movie Colin (and pretty much everyone else) loves and Jay finds kinda boring. Controversy!


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  • Wally Brando

    The canadians are always welcome!

  • Havok Solo

    Typical Ridley Scott, great visuals, great universe, great characters, amazing ending scenes and musical score but pacing and story is boring

  • Oh look a real episode.
    How novel.

    Also, I paused my adblock to see if the site would be okay with my computer.
    My PC threw up.

  • HarryKnowlesFactChecker

    awwww poor baby, there were jokes you didn’t like, boofuckinghoo

  • Who said I didn’t like them? Seriously, look at some of my comments on them. I am not complaining.

    Lighten up.

  • Casey D. Mann

    It’s interesting that Jay doesn’t care for this, since he loves “slow burn” movies. There are movies that I am supposed to love which I give a chance to every few years and rewatch:
    Apocalypse Now (which I really liked for the first time when I watched it two years ago)
    2001 (still don’t like it; but I do appreciate it)

    The first time I loved a movie after three viewings of “WTH do I love this or hate it?” was Blue Velvet. Took five years, but I got the “click” and went “AAAaahh! I get it (more or less)!” and it is now one of my all-time favorites.
    So maybe one day, Jay… You will be assimilated.

  • Chowderbatter

    Some not-small part of me was hoping this was just a continuation of the Transformers gag.

  • Chowderbatter

    NOYOULIGHTENUP!!!

  • Chowderbatter

    My slow-burn aha moment happened with Jarmusch’s Stranger Than Paradise. At first, I was like: “why am I watching these drab people kill time in a dingy apartment?” Then I decided to turn off my internal, yappy critic and just let the director spin his tale. It’s just a different pace. The difference between sitting in the middle of tens of thousands of people at a raucous sporting event or swinging lazily in a hammock looking up at the leaves. Both are an outstanding way to spend an afternoon.

    I also think it’s a maturity issue. Many childish adults need the sugar rush of boom-boom, pow-pow, pew-pew that are so common.

  • William Everett

    Well, to be clear, the idea that Deckard might be a replicant didn’t just come from nowhere. The germ of it is in the original Philip K Dick book, where the main character becomes convinced another Blade Runner is a replicant, and at one point becomes worried that he might himself be a replicant. Both of these ideas are later proven false, but the suggestion is there.

    And the idea that no one is sure who is real and who is fake, and nobody is sure even of their own identity is a very Philip K Dick idea. I kind of like it.

  • I assure you, I am lit as the Bat Signal.

  • Casey D. Mann

    On a completely separate topic from my previous post… I believe Deckard IS a replicant, and the unicorn dream does not need to be in the movie to prove this; it just made it too obvious.
    I can’t be the only person who thinks this, but Deckard is Gaff. His memories and experiences are what makes him who he is. He is probably retired due to a near-fatal accident (thus, Gaff uses a cane because he was actually injured and had to retire).
    When he is told to take out the skin jobs, Deckard refuses. Gaff makes an origami chicken. That is him telling Deckard “I know you are scared.”
    When Deckard meets Rachel, Gaff then does the stick figure with an erection. Gaff is saying “I know you are attracted to Rachel.”
    Finally, the unicorn COULD be that Gaff is saying she’s one of a kind due to having no retirement date. But with the dream thrown in, it solidifies the idea that Gaff knows Deckard’s innermost thoughts and dreams. He can only do that because Deckard is a replicant with Gaff’s experiences and emotions.
    – I am sure I’m not the only one that thinks this(?).

  • Casey D. Mann

    I find Jarmusch movies are always like that. I love it sometimes, and other times it doesn’t work for me. But I know I need to be in the right MOOD to give a J.Jarmusch film a chance.

  • Gift Card

    What if Deckard isn’t the replicant, but Gaff is, with Deckard’s memories, which is how he knew about the unicorn.

  • frankelee

    Jay’s a stupid fuck, fuck Jay.

    P.S. Fuck this Jay character.

  • Hank Schkorio

    What if Ridley Squat is replicunt?

  • Maized and Confused

    I’m very disappointed in the lack of black screen and transformers noises in this video. If you could stop making this “quality content” garbage and get back to the transformers, that would be great.

  • Casey D. Mann

    Gahh! Mind – blown! Very cool. Verrrry cool.

  • Eyyyy

  • Why would you make a drunk, creepy, physically weak Replicant to hunt replicants?
    Also, why make replicants to be on earth to hunt replicants? It is like buying a dog, to keep out dogs, because you don’t want a dog around.

    If you really want to apply logic, why not just put a mutant gene in the replicants so that their skin is blue and thus easy to identify? Why bother making them look like people at all? You know who would be really good at construction and not look like a schlubby guy? A constructicon, they could even turn into their own construction equipment. If you are going to build a war-bot, wouldn’t it just be a flying drone to drop bombs? Like we do now.

  • That book also has a subplot about a new religion, Deckard is married and owns a robot sheep, and there are vending machines for drugs that can make you feel any emotion you want.

    The movie cut out a lot.

  • William Everett

    Oh yeah. There are HUGE differences.
    Another big thematic difference is that central ‘message’ of the movie is that the replicants are ultimately thinking and feeling beings like us and so we should have sympathy for them. Whereas the book seems to settle pretty comfortably on the idea that the replicants are fundamentally alien to us because they are incapable of feeling empathy, and so it’s ok to kill them all.
    I actually like the movie better in that respect.

  • frankelee

    Though I did admittedly like his 20 minute long point that Ridley Scott is a gigantic hack.

  • Adez

    I like the movie ok, as background ambient to passively watch when I take some hemp, though I would rather skip the quasi rape scene

    Lol “part time”

  • Yeah I’m basically with Jay on this one. I always expected to like the movie more on a re-viewing but somehow it always felt like it was dragging its heels. And I never felt even a single spark of romantic chemistry between Harrison Ford and the Replicant. Also I’m probably in the minority on this but like – don’t get me wrong I love synth scores from that era – but I really hate the specific one they bring up for the romance scenes with that like fake-o synth sax… it just… eugh. Just no.

  • Beckoning Chasm

    You’ll never guess who is never clicking on a RLM video ever again. The answer may surprise you!

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    It’s a “visuals” film, more important culturally for it’s influence on other science fiction worlds, than for story, characters, plot, or anything else. You can’t watch any SF film since without seeing some ‘Bladerunner’ influence in any big cityscape scene.

    Sort of true for ‘Alien’, really, which I think accidentally created the whole “dirty future” thing (though Star Wars sort of did that first, but more ‘lived in’ than ‘dirty’), but was otherwise just a slasher flick in space. Even Ripley didn’t really become Ripley until ‘Aliens’.

    I think the quasi-Asian/West thing also influenced a lot of later science fiction, nearly as much as the visual design did, but that’s a bit harder to tie down to a single film source.

  • Whiskey Jack: Lord of Pith

    What if everyone is a replicant, and they just like screwing with the dumb low-life-expectancy replicant hillbillies they use to fight wars in space?

  • IamSithAzagoth

    You know you have a drinking problem if you’re drinking Zima.

  • TheVerySpecialK

    Why would you make a drunk, creepy, physically weak Replicant to hunt replicants?

    To experiment.

  • Angela

    I really like the re:View series. Personally, I would love it if they threw us a curveball and reviewed an old movie once in awhile. Maybe I’m the only one, but I think it would be fun to see them talk about Sullivan’s Travels or The Great Dictator or Duck Soup or something else from the “golden age” of Hollywood.

  • Imaf

    Blade Runner is boring—-I’m with Jay on this one (gasp). It the idea led to Maga Man and Metroid, so it’s not all bad. The concept was film noir with machinama, which is a nice way of saying robot gumshoes. Hey, they wouldn’t release an experimental film lime this today to the MS audiences.

  • Joe Syxpac

    Can we get some more light on Jay please? It’s like his beard is absorbing all the UV or something.

    Either that or Other Canadian Guy is just so white it throws off the lighting.

  • Robert Malone

    So I THINK Harrison Ford doing that weird high voice is an homage to the scene in The Big Sleep when Humphrey Bogart talks to the woman in the book shop. It’s not really justified there either, since the woman has never met him before either, but it’s a classic noir so I guess Ridley just threw in a reference.

  • Alex Howlett

    DIDNT MENTION THE LEGENDARY OST

  • playdude92 .

    When I first tried to watch Blade Runner, I couldn´t make it, probably because I was too young (teenager).

    Then when I finally did watch it, it was years later, as a young adult. And though it was beautiful, I remember being glad/relieved, when it was over.

    Only later, inspired to rewatch it because of other people´s discussions of it on the Internet, did I grow to appreciate it.

    A word on the movie´s problems (except for the tacked on voice over); They´re kinda saved by the movie´s ambiguity, I think. You see; You don´t have to interpret these weird moments exactly the way Ridley Scott or you guys did. Why did the guy leave an origami infront of Dekker´s apartment? Maybe because he´s an asshole and decided to play a cruel prank on him. Or maybe because he´s after Rachael and telling Dekker “I know.” The unicorn?; Have you never had an odd fantasy? Dekker acting weird to investigate the dancer?; Have you never acted strange, because you were feeling awkward?

    It´s a great movie, just too slow for most of us hum-ans.

  • Roman Neves

    Jay can be a really annoying little cock splash.

  • Balgor Vern

    Cool to watch Tintin and gritty reboot Tintin dissect Blade Runner.

  • Thanatos

    Is there any way to get Ridley Scott committed into some kind of institution before he ruins more movies?

  • Bleurgh

    I’ve only watched the 1992 Directors Cut. I had always assumed that Deckard wasn’t a replicant and he and the origami guy had just had an off-camera conversation about the fact that Deckard thinks about and / or dreams about unicorns alot. The reason he left him a unicorn was because it was a symbol of their friendship and origami guy was saying ‘I know we don’t get along, but I know you, we’re buddies, that’s why I’m letting you go’.

    This is the reading of the film I prefer.

  • Brett Burrett

    Your Mom tastes like the 90’s

  • Thanatos

    Yeah humanity was wiped out hundreds of years ago, and they all have fake memories, that’s why they think it’s 2019 when it’s clearly 2219.

  • Thanatos

    The guy who made Nier is also clearly a fan of Bladerunner.

  • Bleurgh

    They singled out the worst part of the voice-over narration in the moment after Rutger Hauer dies. ‘I don’t know why the replicant saved my life’. What are you fucking stupid Deckard? He saved your life because he knew he was about to die and wanted to share some of his memories with you so some part of his life could go on. You’re a fucking shithead Deckard.

  • Hilary Manfat

    I have to say that I think everyone’s opinion on this is correct. It’s a
    fantastic film, and it’s also a boring film. For me it’s all about the
    visuals, the soundtrack and the atmosphere. I’ve spent my entire life
    being boring, and I like being boring and watching boring things,
    because boring works for me.

  • Mateusz K.

    It’s funny how when plinket talks about his favourite star trek movie being “the boring one” is fine, but Blade Runner doing boring detective work is “soooo boring” – come on people, everyone could appreciate a little less “action” and a little more “ambiance” in movies these days. Jay sits there defending Prometheus like that film wasn’t boring and terrible. You don’t have to like Blade Runner. I myself like the theatrical release of the movie the most. I like the commentary, even if it’s read wrong I don’t care – it makes it feel like a noir film, and I find those to be too “boring” for me and I’m not accusing them of being boring at all, it’s just that those movies are not from my time, I didn’t grew up on those, and I personally I’m not into them as I would like, but I would never accuse them of being boring. I wonder if Jay finds Godtather boring – there are plenty scenes with nothing happening in them… seriously, re-watch it and tell me how boring Godfather is… it’s the same as calling Star Trek boring, Blade Runner boring.

  • Mateusz K.

    Think of this not as a viewer of the movie, but as Deckard himself – he spent years retiring replicants, he saw many people die, he killed many during his duty…. not once he stopped to think why they cling to life, even the lesser models, not as advanced as Nexus 6 – those were just rogue machines to him, sort of like the Terminator without the human skin – he had no remorse about killing them. It’s only in his later years, he couldn’t do it anymore. But being dragged back into it, he finds it too hard to kill them – and he may actually have a death wish, wanting a replicant to just end it… he feels like it’s justified, he killed so many of them – they should kill him – any human would kill him in a justified act of revenge, and this final replicant is just like the others – he wants Deckard dead because he killed his friends and only family he has ever known – Deckard knows that replicants show no mercy, so he acts on instinct and runs, but in the end he is helpless… and when he is about to die, the murderous robot saves him. He doesn’t know why – the robot soon dies. Maybe in his final moments he wanted to appreciate life, or maybe he wanted him to live to remember him, and not be forgotten? That’s why he shares his memories… Deckard doesn’t know – he can only speculate.

  • Mateusz K.

    I know… visually the movie is stunning, but the audio track is just as impressive. It’s a huge feat of a movie, deserves to be preserved and cherished by generations into the future. So what if it’s boring in some scenes… I mean, Citizen Kane is boring right from the start….

  • Mateusz K.

    Hee sure does act like one recently….

  • Mateusz K.

    It’s a very interesting idea, and I never even thought about it. One point, Gaff makes the erection humanoid before Deckard goes to see Rachel – so it’s either a “you will be attracted to her” or maybe even those things are sort of secret communication method or even hidden messages or orders, but it Gaff is non present in the middle chunk of the movie, so your theory is still a bit lacking. If he was Deckard – he should be fetured in the middle again to help Deckard and to guide him.

  • Casey D. Mann

    Gaff isn’t in the movie very much at all. I like how he knows where Deckard is at the very end to give him back his gun. Plus the line “Too bad she won’t live. But then again, who does?” is a great line and it makes me think that Gaff understands the fragility of human life.
    Also, everyone always talks about the unicorn, but I NEVER heard anyone analyzing or referencing the first two times Gaff does it. If ONLY the unicorn is a symbol for something, then it’s odd that there are two very deliberate moments and close-ups of his first two figures as well.

    As for faults in the story… no movie is perfect, and also there is are many lapses in reason and/or practicality in Blade Runner. I still love the heck out of it, and I try not to think of why the replicants have to look so much like humans even if they are meant for dirty, off-world jobs, etc… To break it down into more applicable real-world application sort of negates the purpose of the story they wanted to tell. Kind of a cop-out, yes, but any movie is like that.

  • Urdus

    Metroid is based on Alien and Mega/Rocket Man is much closer to RoboCop.

  • Dustin Scarsdale

    So where’s the fuckin Transformers 5 review?

  • Yeah, how dare Jay voice his opinion! I get what you’re saying but that doesn’t distract from what a missed opportunity Blade Runner is to me. I see all that visual amazement and I’m like “wow cool, if only there was a decent story to hang on this.” I love slow, atmospheric pieces, but I felt like a lot of the slow atmospheric scenes to this were like… Only God Forgives type slow.. where I wonder what I’m supposed to be getting out of it. Could just say “to each their own” and move on. I saw Bladerunner when I was a kid – but I have no warm fuzzy nostalgic connection to it – and the weird thing to me is that I remembered all of it – like upon re-watching it no scene surprised me – so the movie clearly stuck with me – but I never really formed any sort of emotional reaction to it. No matter how many times I watch it, the movie just does not give me any feelings. I want it to – but it just isn’t there.

  • Imaf

    Think Replicants in the film and Reploids in Mega Man X.

  • I like boring things too, but there seems to be a general misunderstanding that if you don’t like Bladerunner, you don’t like atmospheric pieces or slow movies. This simply isn’t true.

  • redletterjay

    I like both The Godfather and the original Star Trek film. Neither has anything in common with Blade Runner, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. They’re all slower paced I guess? Might as well come to the conclusion that I must hate all movies with actors in them because I didn’t like Blade Runner and it had actors in it.

  • Imaf

    Oh yeah, BSG cylons come from these replicants too.

  • Brian Levine

    There’s something to be said for shows like Twilight Zone, where Rod Serling understood that moral statements wrapped in fantasy/sci-fi could be told in 24 minutes.

    I like to envision Ridley Scott coming up with ideas as one of those 5w Christmas lightbulbs tries to flicker into existence when Beavis tries to grasp an idea.

  • Brian Levine

    I like Star Trek TMP, but for the life of me I’ve never been able to like The Godfather. Though I must admit that it really bothers me that I am in agreement with Peter Griffen on anything.

  • Brian Levine

    One where they strap him to a chair and make him watch Legend over and over and over..

  • Imaf

    And like the first two seasons of Mad Men, in which nothing happens, and the whole point is atmosphere and tone.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Well he probably doesn’t understand because he’s most likely a dumb robot.
    Oh snap!

  • Mateus Loner

    so if he’s a replicant brings to “what do I care?”… would you care about the robot in ex-machina? is the same thing: we care for what (not even “who”) we… you know, care.
    in this sense, is not about a hunt, but about “what’s the difference between an engineered human and a born human, if they both feel? why do we feel different for them?”
    the movie is about robot (or slaves) rights.

  • Moist

    What’s the deal? Have your corporate overlords at Zima declared that you alienate the bulk of your audience, first with a series of non-reviews and then by voicing unpopular opinions about Blade Runner?

    More importantly, how can I get zome of thoze zweet, zweet Zima moniez?

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Deckard is NOT a replicant! Period! I refuse to listen to a ranting, senile old man. He cast Orlando Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven for fucks sake!

  • Robotpals

    I don’t like it thematically, but Deckard being a replicant makes sense if he is JUST CREATED (a 2nd Rachel) with false memories, and Gaff and M Emmett Walsh have been briefed. It is a trial run on replicants hunting replicants.

    Also, if you don’t like the funny voice/pretending thing in your noir, take it up with Philip Marlowe.

  • Moist

    Duck Soup!

  • DRP103

    The very first ever sci-fi noir film was Kiss Me Deadly – AKA the exploding nuclear suitcase movie from 1955.

  • Moist

    Are you sure? When was Alphaville made?

    1965. And I guess that’s not so much a mash-up of genres so much as a critique of, uh, something to do with cinematic use of genre or something.

  • DRP103

    Just Google DVD SAVANT Kiss Me Deadly

  • Stefan123

    In some weird way, I was lucky. I watched it as a kid on VHS in Austria – German dubbed (and very professional). So the voice over was done beautyfully and no unicorn stupidity. So the German dubbed version comes close to a “perfect cut”.

  • Yuhaddabia “Big Shot” Dijna

    The only explanation I can think of for Ford’s goofy acting in that scene where he’s pretending to be an inspector is that he’s paying homage to the scene in The Big Sleep where Bogart turns the brim of his hat up and does a goofy voice when he goes into a bookstore that’s actually a front for organized crime. You can find the clip on YouTube.

  • LameSame

    Yes! How dare they not like the thing we like? But the fact that you want Zima makes me realize you’re insane!

  • Moist

    I’ve drank things you people wouldn’t believe. Scorpion bowls on fire off the shoulder of Orion. While guzzling OK Soda I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time… like tears in rain… Time for zomething different. Time for Zima.

  • Jonny Edworthy

    And there we were thinking Ridley Scott needed Damon Lindelof to ruin his movies.

    Should have occurred to us that Scott was perfectly capable of ruining them himself.

  • langweilig

    hallo redlettermedia,
    i can tell you that the original voice-over version (in german) is still real good because the voice acting is ‘good`. you forget about the dove! most corky scene in the movie in the best moment of the movie, foretelling that unicorn shit. greetings from dortmund!

  • Billy Ray

    Was that a dying infant at the end? wtf lol

  • kingsleeze

    One indication that they always meant for Deckard to be a replicant at the end of the movie Gaff says: “You’ve done a man’s job, sir,” and in the documentary Dangerous Days they show footage of a line that got cut out, he goes on to say “But are you sure you are a man?” So yeah to try and say it’s something Ridley decided after the fact is just wrong.

  • TitusAndronicusForever

    I can confirm this. Back in the days, when I only knew the german dubbed version of the original cut with the voice-over, I thoght “it’s very fitting withe the film-noir-hard-boiled-detective style of the movie, why did they remove it from the (then) new ‘Director’s cut’?”. But a few years back, I bought the 5 Disc DVD set, that contains 5 (slightly) different versions, including the theatrical version. And yes: Harrison Ford’s narration is pretty awful! So this is one of the very few cases in which the german dubbing outmatch the original version. Greetings from Berlin

  • RLMkeepitup

    jay finds this one boring but not escape from new york. interesting man

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    It is a trial run on replicants hunting replicants.

    I saw BR the first time in 86 in a little cinema in munich and belive it or not, but this was my assumption right from the start. exactly like you said. but after seeing the footage that was cut from the movie (especially dekkard visting holden in the hospital) years later…well that whole dekkard-is-a-replicant-bullshit was in reality just a fan-theory which ultimately was declared by scott as his own and originally idea. which was not.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    saw that one too. saw the english one a few years ago first time and suddenly understood what was all the fuss about.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    more and more german-speaking here by the hour…

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    shit. I totally forgot that line. but you can see this also as a hint about dekkards relationship with rachel, like; which “real” man would fuck a “fake” babe? AND not kill her afterwards? at this point, gaff was already in dekkards apartement and remember holden in the cut hospital scene after dekkards visit at tyrel? holden explicitly asks him “did you fuck her?”.

    so, no, that is not necesseraly meant as an indication dekkard-is-replicant but as fucking with him as a BLADERUNNER-collegue which would normally kill the prey after being abused for “pleasure”.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    because EFNY is schlock. very self-aware-schlock. and jay loves schlock.

    besides; you cant compare EFNY with BR. thats bullshit.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    and milou laughs from the back.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    great and honest review. and one of the greatest threads at RLM ever.

    I pretty love the movie despite a few scenes I really hate and I totaly get jay on this one.

  • RLMkeepitup

    well i did find both films to be rather slow moving with overly long segments. will transformers be considered schlock one day? what is the future of schlock

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    will transformers be considered schlock one day

    already is. the 5th for sure. doesnt matter how much money this trash costs.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    another one would be “darkstar”; the dubbed version transports so much more sarcasm into the narrative.

  • RLMkeepitup

    if its truly so bad its good then they probably should have talked about it. michael bay reminds me of joel shoemaker

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    your avatar is the fucking greatest btw!

  • MonkeyKing1969

    I just finished watching GLOW on Netflix and I think the remake of Blade Runner should have been a total reboot with Marc Maron as Deckard. Not Mac playing a character, just Marc playing his misanthropic self as always. And just to come full circle all the characters are cast from the actors of GLOW . Moreover, entire monologues or scenes from GLOW are just dropped into Blade Runner where they fit.

    …and of course it would be 10,000x better than what Blade Runner 2049 will turn out to be.

  • It is boring. And I will go a step further.

    Just because better things get made with the idea down the line doesn’t mean this movie should get some credit for that.

    “It’s influential!”
    “So is the book. So aren’t the dozens of other sci fi properties. Stop giving this credit for other people watching it and then doing it better.”

  • lloydbeatz

    holy shit the “Dramatic Reenactment” at the end made me piss myself with laughter.

  • Cakefarts

    As a mere rat brain I am not qualified to speak on the subject.

  • Imaf

    I was thinking of the enemy Ridley that takes the young metroid in part three.

  • Urdus

    Don’t understand why they try so hard to see it as an afterthought on the level of the Han Solo cantina scene when the base work was already there. “I don’t want Deckard to be a replicant”. Ok. But he was meant to be that right from the start. Ford saying this is a stupid idea could also mean he knew it all the time but wasn’t a fan of basical playing as a human looking C3P0.

  • Vector

    You’re right. Ford’s on record saying that was his inspiration and homage to Bogart.

  • Vector

    Yeah, if I was designing a replicant to hunt replicants, I’d be certain to make them slower and weaker than the replicant’s they’re suppose to hunt.

  • Thanatos

    He’d enjoy it. Make him watch I Am Legend instead.

  • Bob

    I would like to hear the RLM team contrast the works of Ridley and Tony Scott, both accomplished directors, with very different styles and interests, but never a team, like the Coens, Wachowskis, Hughes, Farrellys, etc.

  • Karl Sarsfield

    I really like the suggestion that Blade Runner should have been a film about Roy Batty. He was electric on screen and I wanted to see more of his story.

  • RLMkeepitup

    Um but this is the like internet, duh

  • Yuhaddabia “Big Shot” Dijna

    Oh wow, thanks. I’ve never heard that before, it just occurred to me while watching the clip in the review. The last time I saw Blade Runner, I don’t think I’d seen The Big Sleep yet. Now I’m going to go and get a big head for recognizing it…

  • Doctor John Smith

    I hate The godfather because its boring and love Blade Runner and Star Tracks: The slightly moving picture. Because they are boring. The universe is a strange and varied place and everyone is free to believe what they want. Opinions are like my cat.

  • Nah, all of them are. Jay and Mike have a very specific definition of schlock, and I’m not sure I agree with it. They seem to think schlock applies to good-bad movies that are either self-aware or overtly tropey… as long as they enjoyed it. They claim that “Independence Day” isn’t schlock, but that’s just because they both hated it. I would still file it into that category. I actually don’t think I’d call EFNY schlock, though – it’s “corny” but not in a way that is reminiscent to movies past. The premise is just silly, and it seems doubly silly that it takes itself so seriously.

  • Robotpals

    Yeah, it just doesn’t work. The whole thing only makes sense if Roy is better than Deckard and saves him at the end, being “more human than human.”

  • Robotpals

    At least Humphrey Bogart did something to his voice. Robert Mitchum just put on some glasses.

  • EJ

    Blade Runner is a “better” movie by most objective standards (VFX, writing, acting), but EFNY and BR have a fairly similar tone.

  • EJ

    They use the word “schlock” the way a lot of other people use “camp.” In both cases it’s an excuse to enjoy something that you know is pretty bad on a technical and/or artistic level. (I don’t think that’s necessarily a correct definition of camp, but it’s how some people use it)

  • EJ

    Deckard being a replicant is a dumb idea both thematically and logically, but it seems like a weird thing to get hung up on. A lot of things in Blade Runner don’t make total sense if you think about them too much, and Jay usually mocks people who get overly critical of plot holes.

    People like Blade Runner mainly for its atmosphere – most of the things Jay criticizes are things that even fans make fun of (the lack of chemistry between Deckard and Rachel, Deckard actually being a fairly shitty detective, the interminable picture-enhancing scene, etc.). I mean Colin makes no attempt to defend any of that stuff, because you can’t.

  • EJ

    I think Scott, Ford, and Hauer all wanted to emphasize the contrast between Deckard and Roy Batty. Ford was coming off of playing both Han Solo and Indiana Jones, two of the most charismatic characters in movie history, so it was obviously a deliberate decision to portray Deckard as a morose, broken-down schlub.

    Roy Batty lights up the screen whenever he shows up, which goes along with the theme of “more human than human,” but I don’t think the film would have benefited from more screen time from him. As it is, he has a fairly mysterious quality which adds to his charisma.

  • Dustin Scarsdale

    Transformers 5 review, please….

    Cmon…Get to!

  • EJ

    I know it’s an homage to Bogart, but I’ve never understood why people say the “funny voice” thing makes no sense otherwise. Zora is on the run so she’s going to be on the lookout for strange people asking too many questions, and so Deckard wants her to think that this goofy nerd couldn’t possibly be a threat. And the joke is that it doesn’t work.

  • EJ

    Never give up on your dreams!

  • alex doucet

    Bladerunner is the best film since Leonard part 6 staring that elderly serial rapist.

  • Hilary Manfat

    Was Deckard a replicant or not a replicant? Surely the question should be was Deckard a replicunt? He did come across as a bit of one.

  • Hilary Manfat

    Was Deckard a replicant or not a replicant? Surely the question should be was Deckard a replicunt? He did come across as a bit of one.

  • EJ

    The idea that Japan was going to economically and culturally dominate the world seems absurdly quaint now, but it was a big theme in the 1980s. (It didn’t actually make sense at the time either, but if you didn’t look at the actual economics of it, it was more believable then than it is now).

  • EJ

    I think you’re spot on that Gaff is using the origami figures to mock Deckard, but I don’t think it necessarily means Deckard’s a replicant, just that Gaff empathizes with him.

    As for Deckard being a replacement Gaff, why would they then allow the two of them to work together? It seems unlikely they could have edited Deckard’s memories so precisely that he has a seemingly full life experience, but has no memory of actually being this guy that he works with regularly.

  • MonkeyKing1969

    Transformers: The Last Knight (the review)
    The movie is laughable trash that was not worth even this one sentence review.

  • EJ

    Godfather II is much better.

  • EJ

    It’s justified in The Big Sleep because Bogart’s character wants the woman to think he’s a nerdy professor (he mentions something about being “late for his lecture”), and not get suspicious that he’s snooping around looking for criminals. He kind of blows it though by making a wisecrack about them never selling any books.

    Similarly, Deckard knows Zora will be suspicious of a stranger asking a lot of questions, so he wants her to think he’s just some harmless dork.

  • EJ

    Yeah I know everybody loves Gladiator but my big problem with that movie is that the opening battle scene is fucking epic and nothing else in the movie is as good.

  • RLMkeepitup

    but what if he means a plinkett review…

  • sepiajack

    I’m with you on this – I think Jay’s point about Sean Young’s performance being contrary to the intent of the Rachel character is completely valid – but I don’t get the issues he presents with Deckard being a replicant – it’s irrelevant to me if that was the screenwriters intent, or how planned or not planned it is because sometimes stories take on a life of their own and want things to be true – I would argue that the scene at the beginning where he goes to see his old boss actually works much better in service of the Deckard being a replicant idea than against it. His boss delivers every line like he’s in on a joke that Deckard isn’t. Ditto with Gaff. They are monitoring everything he is doing.

    I think the other thing is, with the idea of implanted memories, which is the cornerstone of the whole unicorn thing, is that I don’t believe Deckard is actually an old washed up guy, I think he’s a brand new replicant, no older than Rachel who has been implanted with those memories to do this job, and was probably just brought into the world to hunt down Roy and the other 3. That’s just my interpretation but I think that fits with the ideas the film presents.

  • sepiajack

    I think that’s the idea though – you present this movie with these seemingly classical hero / villain archetypes but at somepoint you realize the villain is an escaped slave, who just wants to not die, and the “hero” is a cold blooded murderer who assassinates runaway slaves and is really not sympathetic at all – the movie pulls a switcheroo on the audience which I’ve always found neat, you aren’t watching the movie you think you are.

  • sepiajack

    I’m 100% with Mike on EFNY, it’s an action movie with no action scenes. It has a perfect action movie premise and main character, and the plot is the right amount of dumb if it had some fun action scenes, but makes for a very boring movie without them. Like if Mad Max Fury Road had the same script but none of the chase scenes

  • sepiajack

    Yes exactly – that’s the way I see it. M Emmett Walsh and Gaff both play all their lines in a way where that fits perfectly, like they are in on a joke. “Ah hell, we’ve done and tricked one of these skinjobs into thinking he’s a real person, a huck huck huck”

  • sepiajack

    Here’s another insanely stupid Ridley Scott quote (23-Jun-2017) – no random shoutout to Beavis & Butthead but I don’t think I could make this up if I tried:

    “Yes. I think that, you know what, George has always proved that. Of
    course there’s always something. George Lucas. You know, and the way
    he’s handled Star Wars has been spectacular. It’s what I’ve been trying to do to really evolve Alien,
    because in those days I wasn’t into making sequels, but now suddenly
    you realize, “Well, that’s stupid.” I’ll use the word “duh” again,
    right? You’d better get into sequels, duh. So that’s in a way what I’ve
    been doing.” – Ridley Scott

  • Is that part of the same interview? Or is he using that “duh” as like a long-running self-reference now?

  • That’s a dream in a pipe.

  • sepiajack

    I’m not sure – seems like it might be part of the same conversation, I found it as part of an exerpt that was quoting him in which he hints that further bladerunner sequels may be in the works and the possibility of merging the BR & Alien sequel/prequels in to some kind of ill conceived cinematic universe

  • I agree I don’t think Jay should let that impact his viewing of the movie – you can easily just pretend that unicorn scene doesn’t exist and the context of the movie is otherwise not at all implying the whole “is he isn’t he” scenario. That being said I do think that the bland, sappy romance takes up too much screen-time for it to be just a little thing that doesn’t bother me – but it’s been a year or so since I’ve seen it myself.

  • What.. the.. fuck.. that’s just crazy. Now he wants to mix DIFFERENT franchises? Into one “universe”? Oh lord no – that sounds like a train wreck.

  • EJ

    Yeah he’s been saying for a while that BR and Alien exist in the same universe. I think Weyland-Yutani bought Tyrell Corp. at some point, or something, and the reason they build androids is that replicants ended up being more trouble than they were worth.

  • That’s the lamest. But does it mean I can get Alien vs. Bladerunner?

  • sepiajack

    I’d say that given that Covenant bombed, that if Bladerunner 2049 performs well at the boxoffice its a near certainty based on how Hollywood execs make decisions. We’ll have old Harrison Ford teamed up with old Sigourney Weaver to fight the Aliens in: ‘Bladerunner 3: Alien 9: Working Girl 2’

  • EJ

    Not gonna lie, I kinda want Blade Runner 3 to be Ryan Gosling, Sigourney Weaver, and Harrison Ford teamed up to fight an Alien. And maybe a Predator as well. It would be terrible, but it could be gloriously so.

  • sepiajack

    Yep, I believe there are rumors (not sure if they are true or not) that the space jockey was spotted on the Bladerunner 2049 set.

    Denis Villeneuve is the ONLY reason I have any hope of BR 2049 not being a giant mess

  • sepiajack

    Or ya know; B3A9WG2 for short – based on the novel “Push” by Sapphire…

  • EJ

    I had no interest in it until I found out Villeneuve was directing. If anybody can pull off a half-decent Blade Runner sequel, it would be the guy who directed Sicario and Arrival.

  • sepiajack

    Agreed.

  • sepiajack

    Some doctor somewhere really needs to diagnosis this… I’ll call it ‘George Lucas brain disease’ where aging creators go back to the masterpieces of their youth and start retconning them and messing around with the them and tampering and ruining them – and then making statements about these things with authority that make you wonder if they ever understood why audiences liked them in the first place. George Lucas and Scott are for sure the most acute cases. Spielberg & Cameron to an extent. Peter Jackson, JK Rowling and others all at risk of early warning signs for this.

  • EJ

    Yeah I always assumed that IF Deckard is a replicant then he would have been newly created, with fake memories, and Gaff and his “old boss” are just playing along. I still don’t like the idea, but I hadn’t considered that M. Emmet Walsh’s weird line readings actually make more sense if he’s just met Deckard and is playing a part.

  • sepiajack

    “I need you Deck, I need the old bladerunner” – I dunno, I could be way off but there’s something to it, even if its not intended. It’s like when Alec Guiness talks about Luke’s father and Darth Vader in ANH, you can read a lot into his performance, even though at the time they shot that Vader being Luke’s father was not at all the plan.

  • EJ

    Walsh’s line delivery in that whole scene has always bothered me since it’s really weird and stilted, and he’s normally an excellent actor. I doubt he’ll ever come clean at this point, but it makes much more sense if his character is supposed to be playing along with a scenario that isn’t real.

  • EJ

    Except he can’t know he’s a replicant, and if he’s as physically capable as Roy, he might suspect something. I dunno, this whole thread has made me a lot more comfortable with the idea of Deckard being a replicant.

  • Actually that would be a lot like the Dark Horse AvP comic book series “Deadliest of the Species” – where a bio-engineered trophy wife is tortured by dreams of a predator hunting her – but ultimately finds out the dreams are memories and she somehow knows this predator and it wasn’t hunting her it was training her so yadda yadda they team up to fight aliens – but then they find out that a crazy sentient AI who engineered the trophy wife and many others like her – is somehow even more dangerous than aliens and they all team up with the alien queen to fight robotic xenomorph-equivilants (xenos but with guns) that he built to exterminate xenomorph nests. And this all takes place on a city in the sky above a post-apocalyptic earth where a past xenomorph infestation had wiped out 99% of the human species.

  • EJ

    Holy shit, what? So, Lexx, only not funny?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I was expecting 28 minutes of a black screen with robot transforming sounds.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “‘George Lucas brain disease’ where aging creators go back to the masterpieces of their youth and start retconning them and messing around with the them and tampering and ruining them – and then making statements about these things with authority that make you wonder if they ever understood why audiences liked them in the first place. George Lucas and Scott are for sure the most acute cases.”

    Sounds like something that would afflict political figures as well.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    That’s a good name for it though: The Ill-Conceived Trainwreck Cinematic Universe.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Alien vs. Bladerunner vs. Predator vs. Jason vs. Freddy vs. Tom Green vs. Carrot Top vs. Mike Tyson

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Classic Schroedinger’s Replicant.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I’d like to see Harrison Ford play Mr. Plinkett.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Open a Twitter account and ride that shit all the way to the White House. Happy 4th of July, fellow patriots!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Marc Maron could be a broken-down, foul-mouthed, angsty, hyper-erudite bladerunner. Also, I would pay to see more of Marc Maron shirtless.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    It’s no Blazing Saddles, though.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    The Transformers franchise will be weaponized and used as seizure-inducing psy-ops to help defeat ISIS.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Ja, Gruppenfuhrer!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    And for all you mixologists out there, here’s something I cooked up in my Craft Cocktail Lodge in Hipstervile:

    1 bottle Zima
    1 can of Surge
    2 oz of Goldschlager
    2 oz of Jaegermeister
    1 raw egg
    dash of house-made bitters

    Combine everything in a cocktail shaker, shake vigorously, and pour into a pimp goblet.

    I call this masterpiece, “Oh my God, my eyes!!!”

  • Pop Culture Reference

    And Don Draper fingerbanging that one dame in the fancy restaurant.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Unless he becomes Prime Minister of Australia.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    The Canadian Guy has a glossy pelt because of his voluminous daily intake of poutine and Labatt Blue, eh.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I thought Metroid was based on one of EM Forster’s lesser-known novels?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “Drink Zima in your online movie review show or we’ll blow up a hospital.” — Zima distribution rep

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Plus the whole “lookin’ differnt than us” thing that has been a centuries-old motif among scared white idiots.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Does that mean Daria is a replicant?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Like they did in the 2016 presidential campaign? Oh Replicant, not Rep– never mind.

  • Urdus

    I call it “Faust II syndrome”.

  • It’s really a rather enjoyable read. And to add to this reference – the narration is kind of film-noir esque.

  • EJ

    It’s funny how plots can work in comics that would be laughable in any other form of media.

  • EJ

    vs. ALF

  • Joshua Frye

    It’s actually a little haunting that Deckard is a replicant. It’s not an idea that was added to the movie much later, it’s pervasive throughout the movie. Especially when she starts asking him about whether he’s taken the test.

    This idea is continued in Battlestar Galactica, drawing the line between man and machine. Creature and Creator.

  • Moist

    If only you could see what I’ve seen after drinking your “Oh my God, my eyes!!!”

    It resembles a black void, only haunted by the sounds of mechanized cacophony.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    I’d just like to take a moment to give a shout out to Ridley Scott who is still alive.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Good stuff! And Mike would make a great Captain Haddock: scruffy looks, drinking problem… All he’s missing is a beard!

  • Vector

    So because he can’t know he’s a replicant, he has to be created as weak and incompetent as any other overworked, underpaid human Blade Runner? It’s an inherently stupid idea. Why make weak replicants to hunt combat models like Roy Batty. Who would do that? How did that pitch meeting go at the Tyrell corporate office?

    The only possible advantage would be in the expendable nature of the Blade Runner replicant. In every other way it would be a stupid and wasteful idea.

    So the police chief was in on the experiment? He just happened to be the crude asshole LA police chief and a good enough actor to pretend to have had a long history with Deckard?

    And we’re not even getting into how Deckard as a replicant ruins both their character arcs and major theme of the movie.

  • EJ

    The book plays around with the idea as well, although IIRC it’s eventually established that he isn’t an android.

  • EJ

    Back then there was considerable alarm that Japanese companies were buying a lot of US real estate. There was an article at the time that pointed out that British companies owned far more US real estate than Japanese companies did, yet, curiously, there was no concern about this. Can’t quite put my finger on why…

  • EJ

    I’m not saying it makes total sense, but a lot of stuff in Blade Runner doesn’t completely make sense, including Replicants themselves. You’re telling me that in the crapsack world that’s portrayed in the movie, you couldn’t find plenty of humans willing to do shitty, dangerous jobs in the offworld colonies, for far less money than it costs to build a Replicant?

    How do we even know that M. Emmet Walsh’s character really is the police chief, anyway? The police station isn’t exactly bustling with activity – the whole thing could be staged.

    It’s still a dumb idea thematically, and, yeah, there’s no real reason to use replicants as Blade Runners if they’re going to be just as weak as humans, but it hangs together plotwise better than I thought.

  • RLMkeepitup

    reading here some wish he’d give up the blue man group ghost soon

  • MonkeyKing1969

    I remember seeing the film when it came out. It was very nice looking, very evocative. The voiceover sort of fist because it is trope of noir films too. Yeah, it probably laid it out a bit too much, but when were 1940s movies subtle about anything but sex either?

    So much of art is accident and not design. Star War…a happy accident of a young director constrained. Blade Runner…a happy accident of an established director not yet having enough power to get his way. The more any artist messes around trying to FIX their “happy accidents” the more they screw them up.

    People are just people, so making something great or that means something to other is not a laurel crown you get to wear forever. Sadly we are nas structured as they Romans, our critics cannot standing at a director back continuously whispering “Memento homo” (remember you are (only) a man) to avoid that the excess of celebration.

  • RLMkeepitup

    i was going to say except spielberg who hasnt made anything too disappointing? but even he okayed the E.T. cgi edits.

  • andychrist

    rutger hauers second best role …….. his best obviously being as harley stone in split second

  • EJ

    When the worst thing on your resume as a director is Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (which IMHO isn’t great but still reasonably enjoyable), you’re doing pretty well. And the dude is still cranking out quality stuff like Munich and Bridge of Spies, long after most of his contemporaries descended into total hackery.

  • EJ

    I would be so there for any movie set in the Ill-Conceived Trainwreck Cinematic Universe.

  • Vector

    Sounds like we mostly agree. You’re right, the meeting with the police chief could be staged, although that’s a lot of work to go through to keep up the deception. Given the theory, would Deckard be a test case? The first replicant hunting replicant? A proof of concept exercise?

    Concerning the economics of replicants, the first thing that comes to mind is that humans takes several years before they are capable of the most basic manual labor. I’m assuming replicants are grown in a short period of time, emerging fully formed like that scene in the Blade Runner 2049 trailer.

    Also, with their greater strength and endurance they likely get things done far more efficiently. And although it doesn’t appear to always work, I get the strong impression replicants are conditioned to accept their slave status? They won’t form a union or ask for rights or have the humans back on Earth listen to their complaints with any sympathy like a human workforce would.

    The real question is: Why is a store in 2019 Los Angeles still selling cathode ray tube televisions? LOL

  • sepiajack

    Agreed, new BSG was meant to be a spiritual successor to Bladerunner.
    You could probably change the Los Angeles title card to say ‘Kobol’, and the word ‘replicant’ to ‘Cylon’ and it would pretty well as a prologue to Caprica/BSG

  • Papa Figo

    2001 Space Odyssey is boring (but I love it), Blade Runner is actually kind of bad, narrative wise. On the book (boo books!) blade runner is an everyday man with a wife and a sheep (the sheep is important), and the lady replicant is a sex bribe used by the robotics company. In the movie however there is a romance so forced it would only be outdone by George Lucas with his Attack of the Clones.
    I like it though. It is a beautiful and boring bad movie.

  • EJ

    Seems like a pretty unimaginative dream. I’m still hoping for a very special BOTW where Matt Hannon, Len Kabazinski, and Max Landis watch and review RLM-made movies.

  • EJ

    The only thing that makes the romance entertaining is that Vangelis sets the sex scene to the absolute cheesiest 1980s saxophone solo imaginable. Back when I was a high school band geek and played the sax, we used to bust out that solo to make everyone in the band laugh. I could probably still play it if you handed me a saxophone.

  • Joe333

    I want a Baby Driver review

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Does this mean Ridley Scott’s dark and gritty future noir reboot of Repli-Kate is back on the table?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    What about War Horse?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Does that make Gordon Gekko a Replicant?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Wait a sec, Lexx was supposed to be funny?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    White Sox: 0

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Walsh probably won’t come clean at this point since he’s dead.

    **checks IMDB**

    Holy shit! Dude’s still alive! Must have been all those years of clean living.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Kinda like Touch of Evil.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    SIDS is better than living under the Trump presidency.
    **slide whistle**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Where would Future Noir LAPD have the budget for that sort of baroque confidence scheme?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Cue that one White Zombie song.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    So it tastes like the Breitbart discussion threads on a typical Tuesday night?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Godfather II is way too long and there are no space battles.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Didn’t some philosopher say that consistency is the hobgoblin of idiots?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    He’s a dumb robot because Tyrell used Windows Vista as the main OS.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Make him watch I Am Legend, but the audio has been dubbed in from Wild Wild West.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Because Robert Mitchum is a Mitchum Man.
    **puts on Mitchum aftershave, punches a horse, snaps into a Slim Jim**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I was wondering who owned the Cor Blimey! Tower in downtown Manhattan.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    And then I take the red pill and then get really bad stomach cramps. Like the Matrix!
    **dramatic chord**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    What next? Communists as people? Bah! Better dead than Replicant.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Is that the one with Paul Williams?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Gladiator was stupid. Even the cinematography was insipid and uninspiring.

    **goes back to watching Event Horizon**

  • Robotpals

    Rachel was considerably weaker than Deckard. I’m not really arguing that it makes sense, but he overpowered her in the “love” scene. Plus, his eyes were glowing in that replicant way in the background of one scene. I thought at first it was an onset mistake, but…

  • Vector

    Yeah, maybe so. But my issue isn’t that you CAN’T make replicants as weak as a normal human, just that it would make no sense to design the replicant hunting model that way.

    Rachel was a what? Tyrell’s personal assistant? No need for great strength and endurance there.

    Then again, Pris, the prostitute replicant, kicked Deckard’s ass easily. If she hadn’t toyed with him, he would have been dead then. Just as he would have been dead if Zora hadn’t been interrupted. And Leon would have killed him had not Rachel happened by.

    Makes you wonder how any normal human was supposed to stop them. Deckard kind of sucked at his job. LOL

  • andychrist

    memento wasnt about homos , he had a wife

  • Spoiler alert: Feeding Frenzy wins and Gorilla Interrupted gets destroyed.

  • This is meant to be the same universe as Star Trek V where in 2290 the Enterprise-A has cathode ray tube televisions on the bridge.

  • Nobody in Canada drinks Labatt Blue.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    their were the newest generation, nexus 6, remember? deckard hadnt dealt with nex6-models at this point, nor did holden; thats why he was shot by leon at the beginning, the Voight-kampff-test is kinda useless against nex6-models (“more human than human”)

    (even this longly expostition from bryant to deckard now makes senses, deckard didnt know the specific details about those new models, and rachel *is* a nex6, only difference is her memory-implant)

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    thats easy: its a Vintage-Hipster-Store. or do you think there will be no lightningFastVCR in 2 years anymore?

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    also easy; cathode-ray-tubes a far more stronger against cosmic radiation than flatscreens. and it was a 7-year-mission with no replicators (first introduced on a starship in 2293).

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    well, he kinda regrettet that decision and made the “old” version still avaible (unlike mistah george “ruin-my-childhood”-lucas).

    besides, ET is a pretty schmalzy flic with sometimes laughable acting and a really anoying score anyway (the violins, oh, and the trumpets, OH the trumpets). cant see it anymore without cringe; its kinda pathetic and pretty painful to watch.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    the last in the list so far would be ex_machina; the human protagonist cuts himself open after he becomes paranoid in his exchanges with ava (who asks him -I belive to remember- how he knows hes human) and some fuckery from his boss (the creator of ava).

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    sometimes…

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    well, THAT would be something…cant wait!

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    perfect.

    and yes, I hate that scene too. actually its in my top10 of most hated scenes ever.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    “I think Jay’s point about Sean Young’s performance being contrary to the intent of the Rachel character is completely valid”

    she aint no lauren bacall, thats for sure. (saw finaly “the big sleep” after it was mentioned here couple of times)

  • TheVerySpecialK

    Anthony Bourdain gave a great review that I really feel sums up the film in the most succinct way possible: “Fuck Baby Driver.”

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    I prefer NinjaHorse.

  • DasKleineTeilchen

    its an Interview from june at IGN; just google “Blade Runner Turns 35: Ridley Scott Discusses the Film’s Legacy”. another gem from it:

    “I’ve never read press since Blade Runner. Not because it’s misguiding,
    if you get great press you think you own the universe, and you don’t.
    And if it’s bad press, you think you’ve f#@ked up.”

    or:

    “You can’t listen to what people say. Unless you’re f#@king nuts, and
    then you won’t actually ever get to do another movie. You have to be
    inordinately responsible and sensible as I am — ha ha. I am, I’m very
    responsible to investors and the partners I have. When I make a movie,
    I’m always very keen to be on budget and do it right.”

    oxymoron, kinda. arrogant asshole and submissive at the same time. total clichè.

  • Joe Syxpac

    I don’t really care what Jay says (Mike’s opinion holds more weight anyway), I find this movie fascinating.

  • Brett Burrett

    Is Deckard a Replican or a Replicant?

  • Spoiled Ants

    The Hitcher might want to disagree with you.

  • Spoiled Ants

    Typical VFX artist who shuns daylight.

  • Joe Syxpac

    He’s a Republican?

  • Spoiled Ants

    Harrison Ford is clearly a Leprechaun.

  • EJ

    I honestly have no idea what the hell Lexx is supposed to be. I think it’s pretty funny, though.

  • EJ

    In the UK they have the “Bad Sex in Fiction” award, which is given to laughable, poorly written sex scenes in otherwise good novels. There really should be a film version – that Blade Runner scene would be an all-time contender.

  • Brian Levine

    I still prefer him as the drummer for Queen.

  • Brian Levine

    Robots pal around with unlikable humans and make wisecracks. They they smash crap up. The end.

  • Brian Levine

    How do I unfriend Pap Culture Refinance?

  • TheVerySpecialK

    From what I understand, his political views were initially supposed to be unclear, adding to the overall atmosphere of the film. It was only years later that Scott decided on definitive, right-wing views for Deckard, a point of contention between Scott and Ford to this day.

  • Movie Wan Kenovie

    Pelican

  • Andy James

    Ahem. Nick Parker in Blind Fury?

  • EJ

    Well they took out the space battles for the Director’s cut, but I’m talking about the original theatrical release.

  • EJ

    Event Horizon is good, other than some horribly dated CGI effects. I will never understand the hate for that movie.

  • EJ

    Over 400 Indian and Pakistani workers die every year on construction projects in Qatar, and internationally nobody gives a shit except for handful of do-gooders. It’s well documented that the Thai fishing industry literally uses slaves, and discipline is enforced by methods up to and including murder, and you’ve probably never even heard of this. And on and on, all over the world.

    You think the beaten-down citizens of Blade Runner’s version of 2019 would give a fuck how workers are treated in the off-world colonies? You’d have some investigative reports about it, the UN would wring their hands, and you’d still have thousands of Filipinos or Bangladeshis or whatever eager to take their chances if it meant a possible escape from grinding poverty.

  • Andy James

    More weight? Is that a fat joke?

  • RLMkeepitup

    don’t point out the elephant in the room, #rude

  • Vector

    One of the nice things about Blade Runner is that it doesn’t get bogged down in too much world building exposition. So, it is hard to say what the conditions are across the country as a whole. It would certainly be consistent with what is shown to imagine a public utterly apathetic about the fate of off-world workers, human or otherwise.

    I think all this just shows that one has too jump through too many hoops to make Deckard as a replicant make any sense.

  • Hahah that is funny because what you are describing is exactly what my complaint about the scene is – like I was a jazz band guy back in highschool so I can appreciate me some easy-listening romantic jazz music but this is like… the worst most sappiest interpretation of that and it utterly ruins the scene for me (if the wooden acting didn’t already). I suppose I just always failed to find the humor in it until you just pointed it out. I think I started like three times writing my complaint about the music in the scene but rewrote my comments each time without it because I realized two things: I like jazz, and I like the rest of the soundtrack – so I didn’t wanna come off the wrong way. Interestingly I went and listened to all the cheesy romance tracks on youtube just to double-check my reference – and I found myself enjoying them more on their own than when coupled with the scenes – so it’s entirely possible my criticism inverted. Definitely corny but not indigestible to my personal tastes.

  • EJ

    He’s wrong. Baby Driver fuckin rules. How could anyone watch Hot Fuzz and not be curious what Edgar Wright would do with a straight-ahead action movie?

  • EJ

    Well with jazz sax, and especially 1980s jazz sax, there’s a really fine line between sexy and corny, and this definitely falls on the latter side of that. But one thing that will almost always make me laugh is any kind of musical failure, so I have kind of a soft spot for this scene because of it.

  • BYH

    I’ve never felt Harrison Ford was a good actor. It just feels like he made a career off of being Han Solo, a role which required him to “act” as if he were a nonchalant, too-cool-to-care guy. the truth is, he can’t act, so Han Solo fit him perfectly and after everyone saw that, they wanted that magic in their movies, and it worked because a generation loved him as Han Solo. Harrison Ford just plain can’t act. He has one mode and it’s “I’m too cool to care”. Watch Indiana Jones again. Straight face, bad acting. That’s Harrison Ford.

  • Moist

    Yah, it’s part of a proposal for a Small Wonder cinematic universe.

  • Moist

    Is there anything you won’t put in your mouth?

  • Andy James

    I think you’re selling him a little short. I don’t think he’s a fantastic actor, but at times he’s been quite good. The Mosquito Coast comes to mind as a particularly strong performance, even though I don’t like the movie as a whole.

  • Yeah in the 80s everything was mixed really flat and bright, and that applied doubly to smooth-jazz sax. Though I mostly just don’t have much of an ability to appreciate music ironically, I do think the 80s is one of those times where a lot of it is just objectively funny by today’s standards – so I can see where you’re coming from.

  • He can or has pulled off being “snarky” pretty well. I don’t see it as a “too cool to care” type of character, more like an early template for snappy, witty rogue-types – as seen in Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

  • Andy James

    He also seems to phone in a fair amount of his performances, which is part of the problem. And it’s not a recent phenomenon, as demonstrated by his forced voiceover work here. His Return of the Jedi performance is pretty lazy, too. In fact, on rewatch as an adult, both he and Carrie Fisher seem to be phoning it in.

  • Tonebone

    Arrival is shit.

  • sepiajack

    In the Wrath of Khan commentary, director Nicholas Meyer suggested that an actor is a person who pretends to be someone else, and a movie star is a person who pretends someone else is them. So at one extreme of the spectrum you have your Daniel Day Lewis’ and at the other end you have Tom Cruise. I think Harrison Ford has limited range, but is a very capable leading man when he works with appropriate material.

    Some people started out as actors and then morph into movie stars – like Al Pacino

  • Whenever I think of him in Return of the Jedi I just think of him standing in front of a door in the woods.

  • TheVerySpecialK

    It isn’t “straight-ahead” though, and that’s the problem: the movie never feels consistent because the tone is all over the place. Hot Fuzz was consistently a comedy the whole way through, and a rather brilliant one at that. Baby Driver is the opposite: sometimes it’s a warm-hearted comedy, sometimes it’s a teen love story, sometimes it’s a brutally violent action film, and sometimes the tone isn’t even clear.

    The characters are messed up as well: one minute Spacey is telling Baby that he’ll break his legs if he doesn’t keep driving for him, and the next minute he’s heroically sacrificing himself so Baby can escape. Same thing with Hamm’s character, who seems to be bonding with Baby and siding with him against Foxx (who the film seems to be building as the main bad guy), only to go unhinged and somehow become the villain at the end.

    Then, of course, there were the comically horrible, cringeworthy flashbacks of young Baby and the death of his parents… I was laughing my ass off and that was supposed to be the serious, emotional part… And let’s not forget the blatantly obvious product placement (“he’s driving a Subaru WRX!”) for select cars and of course Apple products… The only saving grace was the music, but that alone was nowhere near enough to make up for the film’s shortcomings.

    Overrated, over-hyped, and a far cry from the creative and witty Wright films of yore.

  • Moist

    “Hot Fuzz was consistently a comedy the whole way through,”

    Remember when that guy’s head was totally fucking destroyed by that falling piece of masonry? Comedy gold!

  • EJ

    I watched it with my Dad a while back, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard him laugh as hard as when they dropped the masonry on that guy’s head.

  • marko112kg

    Memento mori

  • Really I don’t think the unicorn got the message across – at least not for me. Without having read about Deckard being a replicant I’m pretty sure I assumed that the unicorn symbolized something “rare” and that Deckard was feeling guilt for hunting sentient beings with thoughts and feelings of their own. Like – that’s usually what you use a unicorn for – sort of a “last unicorn” type of deal – indicating that something is endangered or unique.

  • EJ

    Well it was tonally all over the place the way classic 1980s action movies were. I mean you had Murtaugh with a bomb in his toilet and a bad guy getting decapitated by a surfboard, and then Riggs’ girlfriend gets murdered.

  • Every time I read the words “Baby Driver” I picture an infant with sunglasses at the wheel of a taxi cab.

  • I was gonna say this.

  • EJ

    Fuck it, I’m a fan of Ladyhawke, and I don’t mind admitting it.

  • EJ

    Even when I first saw it as a kid I thought it was pretty hokey. It’s enjoyable but massively over-rated.

  • Gallen Dugall

    Ford isn’t a bad actor. He’s a mediocre actor who has gotten cast in great roles and been handled by great directors.

  • EJ

    Every interview I’ve ever read with him makes me think he would likely agree with you.

  • Gallen Dugall

    There is a tendency in the modern binary world to separate the world into Terrible and Great, however reality is that most things fall in between.

  • Brian Levine

    I might generally agree. He was good in Regarding Henry.

  • Brian Levine

    Dunno. I think that Jimmy Stewart was a great actor, but still seemed to be Jimmy Stewart.

    But in the regard you’re talking about, Robert Duvall is a great example. You almost never see any traces of Robert Duvall in his characters.

  • Moist

    I’m not sure why the Grand Guignol stuff that I might have loved and laughed at elsewhere was so off-putting for me in the context of Hot Fuzz and there’s no way I’m going to argue against your father-son/daughter/other bonding moment.

  • EJ

    It’s hard to know how people will react to violence that’s played for laughs. I remember an interview with John Cleese where he said they almost cut the Black Knight scene from the Holy Grail because most of the Pythons came to regard it as being more cruel than funny. They only left it in because subsequent test audiences told them it was the funniest scene in the whole film.

  • EJ

    Oh, that’s owned by the Japanese. They love British stuff. Did you know that canonically, Hello Kitty (the actual character, not the brand) is British? It’s true!

  • Hack Snyder

    Yup, I think if Ridley Scott hadn’t spent the last several years shouting from the rooftops “DECKARD IS A REPLICANT! THE UNICORN SCENE IS PROOF!” a ton of people would’ve come up with lots of different interpretations of the unicorn scene. Sometimes an artist should shut up and let people come up with their own interpretations.

  • Yeah I watched the Hateful 8 with my mom awhile back and she cracked up when the Mexican’s head exploded, strikingly similar to how Jay and Mike described the audience reaction when they saw it in the theater. I recall them saying how some people gasped at the violence against Kurt Russell’s prisoner but everybody all laughed at once when that guy’s head exploded. Some exaggerative forms of violence have a broad comic appeal I think, others are more niche.

  • Jef Leppard

    Jay, watch the theatrical cut. It is very film noir. There is no stupid ending and I don’t think the voice over is that bad. I have the blue-ray and if I watch the movie, it’s the theatrical cut. There is also 40 minutes of deleted scenes. Many of which could have easily been put back in the movie. I have seen the movie a few times on the big screen. If it’s ever playing on the big screen close to you, I would definitely recommend watching it that way.

    The score of the film is fantastic as well. Its easily one of the best film scores, ever.

  • RLMkeepitup

    soo where’s the sexy botw the canadians came down here to film with Richard Evans

  • Joe Syxpac

    They just came down to tease us.

    We’re now gonna get 3 fake reviews of Spider-Man: Homecoming.

  • Deborah Perani

    I’m gonna cum

  • Robotpals

    Yeah, ET doesn’t work for grownups. ET himself seems like “an exceptional individual,” and his shipmates aren’t much better. What, they need a phonecall to remember where they left him? Or were they glad to be rid of him, and only begrudgingly returned after the call?

  • RLMkeepitup

    i heard that movie was surprisingly decent despite a tshi trailer, hopefully it’s a new trend in cinema?

  • Joe Syxpac

    If Hollywood starts making good movies we’ll never get another Plinkett review!

  • Ziggy Sawdust

    The film is stunningly boring but so is this discussion because it ain’t got Mike.

  • Nathaniel Thierwechter

    what is wrong with violins and trumpets?

  • LameSame

    Nah, some of the prequels are from pretty decent Hollywood times.

  • Hack Snyder

    The unicorn scene wasn’t something Ridley Scott filmed during Legend, it was part of the production of Blade Runner and was always meant to be in the film. The producers forced Ridley to cut it out back in 1982. I’m not trying to be condescending, I just wanted to let you guys know that. Ridley has made a lot of dumb decisions over the years but he isn’t a George Lucas “This isn’t my true vision that I keep changing!” tier hack.

  • Dustin Scarsdale

    Wheres the Transformers 5 review?

    Do that before SpidroMan Homoiscoming

  • Moist

    Ambiguity worked out well with Louie Louie until The Kingsmen found themselves under investigation by the FBI for allegedly breaking obscenity laws.

  • Aside from what Ridley has constantly said, one of the things I love about this movie is that it leaves a lot of room for interpretations, and leaves you with a lot of questions to consider and chew on. Not necessarily plot related questions, but thematic moral questions. It’s a movie that is amazing for discussions after.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    But how would you explain Deckard seeing Unicron?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Marriage is about Adam and Eve, not Adam and Roy Batty.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Belts should buckle, not chairs.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    It got my nipples hard.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Christophens Hitcher?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    BoJack NinjaHorse?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    With a King James Bible and a Reverse Mortgage.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    An appendage belonging to Mike Pence.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    And let’s not forget Clemenza the Hutt.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    I don’t remember Unicron being in Bladerunner?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    You should probably leave Best Buy then.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Jimmy Stewart is a fine actor. The giant rabbit stole the show.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    He wants to be a Replican but he Replicant.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Repli-Kate and Repli-Ashley in Do the Tanners Dream of Electric Sheep, co-starring John Stamos.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    The Apple was shot in West Berlin.

  • Hack Snyder

    Variant’s interpretation that Unicorn is meant to symbolize the guilt Deckard feels over hunting these sentient beings makes a lot of sense. Dreams reflect your subconscious and can be pretty abstract.

  • Hack Snyder

    The FBI should arrest Ridley Scott and keep him locked up until Denis Villeneuve is done making Blade Runner 2049.

  • Hack Snyder

    He’s in a secret cut of the film that Ridley made in 1986.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Oh right! I remember now. The Bladerunner: More Than Meets the Eye Cut.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Especially when Deckard uses his Transformer abilities to turn into a 1967 Dodge Dart.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Ironically, he was reviewing Vietnamese food at the time.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Memento Mori Povich

  • Pop Culture Reference

    For better part of a year, I ain’t had nothin’ twixt my nethers weren’t run on batteries.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Of course he’s overpowering her, she’s a wom–
    **is immediately killed**

  • Pop Culture Reference

    For Future Noir Hipsters, duh!

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Does that mean Mike and Jay are Replicants?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Fuckin’ Transformers 5? The one starring James Deen and Vicki Vette?

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “It puts the lotion on or else it gets the hose again.” — Mike to Jay

  • Pop Culture Reference

    More trailers should be about the cooking of the duck meat.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    “Eeee-nun-ceee-yate!” — J. Edgar Hoover

  • Pop Culture Reference

    If you’re looking for a good Father’s Day present, a Mosquito Coast DVD would work.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Gandalf does the same thing in Fellowship of the Ring.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    My dad and I bonded when we watched “Baby Doll,” based on the Tennessee Williams screenplay.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Cylons were just Replicants who converted to Mormonism.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    In Space Cop, the Rich Evans character is a Replicant.

  • Pop Culture Reference

    Not enough sax!

  • nautonnier

    What I find most interesting is how all over the map RLM is with respect to me. Sometimes I think they hit the nail right on the head. They’ve even sometimes convinced me with their arguments. And then sometimes I wonder if they even watched the same movie. I think BR is BRilliant. One of the first movies I saw as a kid that really made me feel something. The sets are great. The music is the most emotive I’ve ever heard to this day. Hauer delivers a masterpiece. The feeling of listless despair is everywhere.

    I also don’t mind if Deckard is a replicant (though I seem to be in the minority here). If he is that follows the themes here–who’s real, what’s real, does it even matter? Deckard is discovering his humanity during this film. If he’s a replicant or not, it’s still the same journey. I don’t know why Jay is so off put by it. Put I’ll fight to the death for my right to start an internet war.

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